"Puzzling People" by Thomas Sheridan - a puzzling person

Don Genaro said:
Guardian, have you got links to those?

Yes I do, and I should have included them in the post, sorry. Thanks for pointing that out Don Genaro, I've edited the post to include links to the original Usenet postings.
 
Guardian said:
Don Genaro said:
Guardian, have you got links to those?

Yes I do, and I should have included them in the post, sorry. Thanks for pointing that out Don Genaro, I've edited the post to include links to the original Usenet postings.

Thanks Guardian! Time for a reshare on Facebooks :D

Laura said:
Oh.... .my..... gawd! I knew he was revoltin' but I didn't realize it was THAT repulsive!

I know. I really hope that some of his friends/fans get to see what he's like when the "Punk-Rock-Psychologist-Sociopath-Destroyer" mask comes off and he puts on his "Unki" mask.

[quote author= Thomas Sheridan]I'm one of them myself. I've no decency in me - a borderline sociopath in fact. But what can ya do![/quote]
Yeah, of course you were only joking...
 
Don Genaro said:
I know. I really hope that some of his friends/fans get to see what he's like when the "Punk-Rock-Psychologist-Sociopath-Destroyer" mask comes off and he puts on his "Unki" mask.

Amen to that! You've just hit on the main reason I'm doing all this...hopefully some of these women will wake up and realize what they're really dealing with here.

Now that Sheridan has established himself as a public speaker on pathology, he's going to get more and more "followers" ie:wounded victims who don't yet have a clue. He's set up his own vulnerable female buffet, and he's been working on it for decades.

I understand that we can't do anything for those who know what he is, and freely choose to remain associated with him anyway, BUT we can make his long term history of pathological behavior public, and hope that the warning narrows his victim pool considerably.
 
[quote author=Guardian ]
He's set up his own vulnerable female buffet, and he's been working on it for decades.

I understand that we can't do anything for those who know what he is, and freely choose to remain associated with him anyway, BUT we can make his long term history of pathological behavior public, and hope that the warning narrows his victim pool considerably.
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Seems he has indeed. The scary thing too is just how many he has likely enthralled who will then introduce him to unsuspecting friends as the De facto authoritarian and thus his hook will be well sunk and if they resist, he will thrash them.

By the way, TS as anagram was answered by the universe in words as a little strange, yet perhaps quite fitting for what he does:

'I am thrashed son.'

Etymology

thrash (v.) 1580s, "to separate grains from wheat, etc., by beating," dialectal variant of threshen (see thresh). Sense of "beat (someone) with (or as if with) a flail" is first recorded c.1600. Meaning "to make wild movements like those of a flail or whip" is attested from 1846. Related: Thrashed; thrashing. Type of fast heavy metal music first called by this name 1982.
 
hubub said:
As for saying "oh psychopaths love themselves... they think they're perfect!" That's completely wrong. They feel empty inside and they HATE themselves, and everyone around them. If they loved themselves truly, they would have the capacity to love others also, but they hate themselves and their lives and if anyone is telling you that they think they are perfect, THEY are narcissistic deceivers who want to paint a heroic picture of psychopaths because they are one themselves.

hubub, it will really help you to do some research into psychopathology. Read Robert Hare's work and Political Ponerology as a start. No, psychopaths do not 'feel empty' inside - ever. They simply aren't wired for it. What you are doing is projecting your own feelings on to them - imagining how you would have to feel in order to 'act that way' - but the problem is that they don't work the same way you work and can't.
 
I have read Robert Hare's work, not PP, but will if I get a chance. Psychopaths DO feel empty inside. That's something that not only has been written about (their boredom, etc), but in my personal experience with them, listening to them in rare moments when they go on a tangent. They absolutely do feel empty inside- no positive or true emotions, no nothing, just boredom. They have nothing to fill the dead air with. This is not an opinion. Perhaps the way I convey it sounds opinionated, but not everyone talks like a scientist with stats to back things up. Some things are just true, and this western notion of needing "science" to back everything up and dismissing truths a opinions is rather harsh. Certainly these sources and writings have helped me understand what this is all about. But I have my own brain and ability to think for myself. Whether I read these books or not, there is something called personal experience and observation and understanding from that which is also quite an important source of information to be combined with what we read. We must meld both worlds of knowledge together rather than blindly following Robert Hare or this guy or that guy. Anyone can write a book. Look at TS. This is what gets people into trouble in the first place- how victims end up "following" people like TS and end up in a big mess.
 
But yes to answer your recommendation, I have done plenty of research and reading into this subject, for the past 5 or 6 years since coming out of such a relationship and trying to make sense of it. Maybe I don't talk like an "western academic scholar" as a result of it, but certainly I understand things better than a lot of others do. Just curious, is the person who wrote Political Ponerology the head of the forum?
 
hubub said:
I have read Robert Hare's work, not PP, but will if I get a chance. Psychopaths DO feel empty inside. That's something that not only has been written about (their boredom, etc), but in my personal experience with them, listening to them in rare moments when they go on a tangent. They absolutely do feel empty inside- no positive or true emotions, no nothing, just boredom. They have nothing to fill the dead air with. This is not an opinion.

Of course it's an opinion. Maybe you don't know what the word opinion means?

Perhaps the problem is how you use the word feel. You see, essential psychopaths simply do not feel the way normal people feel - they can't. They don't have the hardware. So, when you say that they "feel empty" that's just not possible. If you say that they "are empty" then that's closer to the truth of the matter, though they might disagree because a person who is missing a part of themselves usually doesn't know that since if they've never had something, how could they know they're missing it?

The point is that you are most definitely projecting emotional qualities onto psychopaths that do not exist. You can either understand that or choose not to, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter.
 
hubub said:
But yes to answer your recommendation, I have done plenty of research and reading into this subject, for the past 5 or 6 years since coming out of such a relationship and trying to make sense of it. Maybe I don't talk like an "western academic scholar" as a result of it, but certainly I understand things better than a lot of others do. Just curious, is the person who wrote Political Ponerology the head of the forum?

No, Political Ponerology was written by Andrew Lobaczewski, a Polish psychologist.
 
hubub said:
I have read Robert Hare's work, not PP, but will if I get a chance. Psychopaths DO feel empty inside. That's something that not only has been written about (their boredom, etc), but in my personal experience with them, listening to them in rare moments when they go on a tangent. They absolutely do feel empty inside- no positive or true emotions, no nothing, just boredom.

There's a subtle difference between "feeling empty inside" and the boredom and emptiness that psychopaths experience, as anart pointed out. The term 'feeling empty inside' carries connotations that a person who feels emotion puts into it: despondency, depression, despair, low spirits, etc. It's what a normal person feels when things are not quite right. But by using that phrase, you are still projecting an emotional quality onto psychopaths that isn't there. When you are simply bored, do you describe it as "feeling empty inside"? If so, I'd say you were being slightly melodramatic. ;) There's no emotional connotation for the psychopath when he or she feels 'bored'. It's more like an itch that needs scratching.
 
anart said:
hubub said:
I have read Robert Hare's work, not PP, but will if I get a chance. Psychopaths DO feel empty inside. That's something that not only has been written about (their boredom, etc), but in my personal experience with them, listening to them in rare moments when they go on a tangent. They absolutely do feel empty inside- no positive or true emotions, no nothing, just boredom. They have nothing to fill the dead air with. This is not an opinion.

Of course it's an opinion. Maybe you don't know what the word opinion means?

Perhaps the problem is how you use the word feel. You see, essential psychopaths simply do not feel the way normal people feel - they can't. They don't have the hardware. So, when you say that they "feel empty" that's just not possible. If you say that they "are empty" then that's closer to the truth of the matter, though they might disagree because a person who is missing a part of themselves usually doesn't know that since if they've never had something, how could they know they're missing it?

The point is that you are most definitely projecting emotional qualities onto psychopaths that do not exist. You can either understand that or choose not to, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter.

yes this is a good point. as i understand it from what i have read, they don't feel empty they ARE empty as they don't have any emotional capacity. they seem to be a human subspecies, i have visited forums where they congregate and they are incomprehensible to me, i can't imagine being what they are. it is beyond me.
i am reading pp now, very difficult book. i recently acquired the sociopath next door and have read some, it is a good book.
 
hubub said:
But yes to answer your recommendation, I have done plenty of research and reading into this subject, for the past 5 or 6 years since coming out of such a relationship and trying to make sense of it. Maybe I don't talk like an "western academic scholar" as a result of it, but certainly I understand things better than a lot of others do. Just curious, is the person who wrote Political Ponerology the head of the forum?

my copy does have a foreword, and is edited with notes, by laura knight-jadzyck and henry see though. :)
 
hubub said:
They absolutely do feel empty inside- no positive or true emotions...

I'd just like to point out that feeling "empty inside" is at the very least an emotion, and it could even be a "true emotion". I think the problem here is that you are trying to describe the internal landscape of a psychopath with absolutely no reference from which to do so, and no possibility of ever having such a reference. I hope you realise how complex this makes any discussion of what psychopaths are actually "like inside", or what they may or may not "feel". We may be trying to describe something that is as close to a completely different 'species' while still being physiologically human.
 

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