question about AIDS, cancer .

When I had cancer, I was unsure about treatment. I had a thought that I was supposed to die as I could do more help for people working from the other side. I felt like I was being called home. I took the treatment instead. I was only 23 and probably when it came down to it, was either afraid to die or felt like I wanted to enjoy my time here a bit longer.

I still wonder if that was a sts decision (to stay enjoying 3D).. or if I 'let the team down' on the other side by not going, or was being deluded by sts forces that wanted me out of 3D action. Either way, I felt there was some type of other density struggle for me. That was way before I came across the Cs.
 
iloveyoghurt said:
When I had cancer, I was unsure about treatment. I had a thought that I was supposed to die as I could do more help for people working from the other side. I felt like I was being called home. I took the treatment instead. I was only 23 and probably when it came down to it, was either afraid to die or felt like I wanted to enjoy my time here a bit longer.

I still wonder if that was a sts decision (to stay enjoying 3D).. or if I 'let the team down' on the other side by not going, or was being deluded by sts forces that wanted me out of 3D action. Either way, I felt there was some type of other density struggle for me. That was way before I came across the Cs.

Have you wondered why you would have incarnated at all if your work was supposed to be 'from the other side'.

3D is the trenches - this is where the work is done, through us. Those with whom we've made connections who have passed are able to put their energy behind the wheel as well, from what we understand, but it's our shoulders doing the work. We need all the colinear shoulders we can get!
 
iloveyoghurt said:
When I had cancer, I was unsure about treatment. I had a thought that I was supposed to die as I could do more help for people working from the other side. I felt like I was being called home. I took the treatment instead. I was only 23 and probably when it came down to it, was either afraid to die or felt like I wanted to enjoy my time here a bit longer.

I still wonder if that was a sts decision (to stay enjoying 3D).. or if I 'let the team down' on the other side by not going, or was being deluded by sts forces that wanted me out of 3D action. Either way, I felt there was some type of other density struggle for me. That was way before I came across the Cs.
Dear Iloveyoghurt,
It seems to me that you feel kind of guilty for cancer surviving. Each of us has/had a different wake-up call. Maybe that was yours. IMO it is not the treatment you took that saved your life but your inner strength that was probably developed during your struggle for life. Many people were exposed to treatments which failed in 5 year period (check cancer survival rates). If you are uncertain about your life mission here in 3 D, just let yourself to be free, without pushing, wanting things and it will come to you, somehow. You know, when I think about us, weak human beings - light workers in 3D, t seems to me that awaken people when united can produce a coherent light beam, such as a laser light, with the same characteristics. Supposedly powerful as a light cannon. Therefore, we should search, find and keep the light inside of us and when needed, produce a laser beam together (even though we don't need to be st the same place, or maybe I am wrong). One person cannot do it alone. There is also a lack of time, we should develop ourselves as fast as possible.
 
Hi anart, Hi svjetlonosa.. thanks for your thoughts...

Svjetlonosa, still thinking about your comment about guilt...

I just want to ramble here, to expand and perhaps I might grasp my own abstract thoughts.

There were and are levels to my thoughts and my awareness (as with all people no doubt). On one level I could assign a traumatic upbringing and consequently massive stress to the 'reason' for the illness. But, there were always other levels.. It seemed/felt that I had somehow been hunted down all my life - from a traumatic upbringing and the tendrils that this had in my life (general instability), to then, this: the illness. I always seemed to sense a force and a pulling. I often felt stalked from another 'dimension'.

There was a recurring core theme also that ran through my life and thoughts that surrounded the concepts of sts and sto. I find it intriguing that this core idea that has underpinned my consciousness since I was very young, is spot-on with the C's perspective! When I came across the C's stuff it was uncanny, and resonated quite deeply with my intuitions - though I had never thought of OPs, Lizzies, psychic attack (not consciously really, but intuitively maybe), or Aliens, and am obviously exploring these ideas more now, because there may be some answers there.

Getting back to the guilt though, if I felt guilty for anything, it was the possibility that I had decided to please myself by staying in 3D, rather than go to the great Life Line Call-Center in the sky, answering help calls from 3D. Guilt may not be the right word though, maybe 'unease' would be more accurate. Unease because I was unsure of my decision to stay here, and unease that I may have made a deal somewhere.. It seemed that, I had had so much stress up to that point, and by the time I was on deaths bed, I was ripe for negotiation; I might've agreed to an offer that I couldn't refuse - I was truly on my knees by then. They knew that, and perhaps had even planned it that way.

These are just things that come up when you're spending 6 months in bed, unable to do much else but stare at the wall. Some wonderfully peculiar ideas come to mind when you are stripped away from the usual sensory distractions, and it's by this forum that I can explore them. Any exploration of a more "3D" nature I can do on other sites :)
 
Perhaps it comes down to the simple fact that you are (and are still) in 3D because that is where you fit.
 
Thanks for those thoughts....

I had some ideas that would've seemed pretty weird had I expressed them. They were thoughts that entered like a different part of my brain..... is one way I could maybe describe it. My original thoughts were: It seemed there was some kind of mechanism that, once a person reached a certain frequency, their bodies couldn't contain them within the limited body frequency range any longer. This created illness-death and transcendence into the next frequency. I often struggled with the thought that it might actually be "wrong" to stop this process via medical treatment.*

Now that I have read the Cs stuff, I have expanded on this thought: I wonder if the ELF and other "frequency locks" the sts energy has on 3D, via The "Grid", is an energy barrier that has the effect of interfering with people who naturally operate (new souls) or, reach a certain frequency (via soul growth). What I mean is, if there is something that has been placed at a certain frequency that, once a 3D person reaches this frequency, it actually has the effect of inducing (any) illness in the person (either purposely or incidentally). For one example, a soul/person on 3D reaches a level of frequency range via growth of the soul, and because of the sts imposed frequency lock downs, the soul cannot pass or resonate at this level (or something), and not being able to continue it's natural frequency path, it kinda scrabbles the soul's frequency or something, causing illness in the body.

This is very simplified and difficult to explain via this medium.

I thought of an analogy last night: If we were all cows, and one or some cows "woke up" a bit, and had the desire to leave the paddock to go over to another, but they get caught in an electric fence. The electric fence causes illness in the cow (and thus, purposely weeds such roaming inclinations out of the group), or the cow naturally becomes ill because A) it's energy is scrambled by the frequency interference, or B) simply because it spirit is frustrated by outside sources negating it's evolutionary effort.

These are thought that I hope to explore with other people around the illness thing, if not to the Cs directly. Maybe there are other people that have had some similar a-thought.

*May I add, there was very much such a focus on staying alive (in 3D) coming from everywhere - such a commitment to 3D - that it raised suspicion in my thoughts at the time.



Edit: for clarity sorry, should've previewed.
 
I understand the confusion over whether you are "supposed" to be alive or dead. But I think a simple approach would be to imagine that your higher self planned out this current life based on your lesson profile and the lessons not yet learned, and designed it, with synchronous plans with other higher selves, so that you would encounter circumstances or learning opportunities to help your soul grow and to balance out karmic debts.

If you have not accomplished those objectives, there would be little reason to leave, unless the planned synchronicities did not occur and it would be optimum to die and reincarnate.
I also think that if you are supposed to die, no amount of intervention would change that. A doctor might successfully treat a fatal disease that should have killed you, so you get hit by a bus three weeks later.

Regarding cancer, and diseases in general, they are often connected to attitudes or thought patterns, which, in turn, are often connected to early trauma and psychological wounds.

This line of thinking is represented in books like Heal Your Body by Louise Hay. I believe she said about cancer:

Cancer – Deep hurt. Longstanding resentment. Deep secret or grief eating away at the self. Carrying hatreds. “What's the use?”

If it cancer of a certain organ, she usually has something to say about issues with the organ as well, combining whatever organ info she offers with her cancer evaluation might provide insight and help pinpoint the belief structures and attitudes that contributed to the cancer's development.

Another thing to consider is the connection between fungus (including candida) and cancer.



To cure the disease requires confronting the belief structure and programs that have evolved since childhood, uncovering the psychological and emotional wounds, and healing them.

This is where reading the recommended books, especially the psychology ones and the EE breathing program come in.

The former provides knowledge and helps one unravel early psychological injuries and the latter helps unlock and bring to the surface the deep emotional wounds for processing.

If you read the EE forum threads, you can see many people's experiences as they go through the process. It was proof enough for me.
Even though my heart bought into the EE program, my intellect was reluctant. Reading the EE forum was sufficient to get my stubborn mind in board.

Gonzo
 
Thanks Gonzo, I appreciate your generous energy expenditure.

However, again, I am receiving advice to cure cancer, based on the assumption that there is an error somewhere that requires correcting. I am not necessary looking to cure a cancer, that, would be another forum and line of query as far as I am concerned; personally I would address that elsewhere.

I am here simply looking to explore the concepts that have come to me along my journey, and possibly exchange notes and ideas with others that have possibly experienced similar "out there" notions along their journey.

But I understand you are being helpful, and perhaps will assist others that are pursuing the line of query that you have offered here.
 
iloveyoghurt said:
I thought of an analogy last night: If we were all cows, and one or some cows "woke up" a bit, and had the desire to leave the paddock to go over to another, but they get caught in an electric fence. The electric fence causes illness in the cow (and thus, purposely weeds such roaming inclinations out of the group), or the cow naturally becomes ill because A) it's energy is scrambled by the frequency interference, or B) simply because it spirit is frustrated by outside sources negating it's evolutionary effort.
Taking this analogy, the goal of the 4th Way Work is to be able to learn how to get over the "electric fence" while maintaining the (cow) body.

iloveyoghurt said:
My original thoughts were: It seemed there was some kind of mechanism that, once a person reached a certain frequency, their bodies couldn't contain them within the limited body frequency range any longer. This created illness-death and transcendence into the next frequency. I often struggled with the thought that it might actually be "wrong" to stop this process via medical treatment.*
My thinking on this is similar to what Gonzo wrote above - if the lessons are learnt and it is time to move on to the next level, it will happen - medical treatment notwithstanding. Till the time we are here, it is because we "fit" here - as anart wrote.
 
iloveyoghurt said:
Sooo,

you think there is an electric fence?

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Evil_Magician

This is a tale mentioned by Gurdjieff in Ouspensky's book In Search Of The Miraculous. It well illustrates man's position on this planet. The tale is as follows:

There was an evil magician. He lived deep in the mountains and the forests, and he had thousands of sheep. But the problem was that the sheep were afraid of the magician because every day the sheep were seeing that one of them was being killed for his breakfast, another was being killed for his lunch. So they ran away from the magician's ranch and it was a difficult job to find them in the vast forest. Being a magician, he used magic.

He hypnotized all the sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it.

He then told different sheep...to some, "You are a man, you need not be afraid. It is only the sheep who are going to be killed and eaten, not you. You are a man just like I am." Some other sheep were told, "You are a lion -- only sheep are afraid. They escape, they are cowards. You are a lion; you would prefer to die than to run away. You don't belong to these sheep. So when they are killed it is not your problem. They are meant to be killed, but you are the most loved of my friends in this forest." In this way, he told every sheep different stories, and from the second day, the sheep stopped running away from the house.

They still saw other sheep being killed, butchered, but it was not their concern. Somebody was a lion, somebody was a tiger, somebody was a man, somebody was a magician and so forth. Nobody was a sheep except the one who was being killed. This way, without keeping servants, he managed thousands of sheep. They would go into the forest for their food, for their water, and they would come back home, believing always one thing: "It is some sheep who is going to be killed, not you. You don't belong to the sheep. You are a lion -- respected, honored, a friend of the great magician." The magician's problems were solved and the sheep never ran away again.

It is essentially a story used to describe the functioning of the STS thought center, and how its influence translates into the world and the minds of people. The tale of the Magician is analogous to the concept of the Architect in the Matrix. The Architect is the father of the Matrix' and in charge of the programs that keep people in a state of sleep. In the Castaneda books, the idea is similar to that of the Predators who feed off the unaware of the world. Don Juan explains that:

"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.' [ ] They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. [ ] Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them."

The crux of the matter on which the whole ploy of the magician rests is man's suggestibility, complacency and tendency to wishful thinking. The Gurdjieffian cosmogony traces these 'features ill-becoming of three brained beings' to the organ kundabuffer, implanted into man by angels at the dawn of time to keep man producing vibrations for the Moon, which had accidentally broken loose and needed to be thus fed to prevent further disaster. The organ kundabuffer makes man see all as pleasure, to see the small as great and the great as small and for all intents and purposes see himself as privileged and immortal. Even though the organ itself is allegedly removed, the effects persist by force of inertia. This is basically the same as Castaneda's predator's mind. The so-called kundalini is just a remnant of the power of illusion used by the magician to make sheep think they are magicians themselves, Gurdjieff tells us.

For further examples of the theme see: The Matrix movies, Carlos Castaneda's 'The Active Side of Infinity' and Laura Knight-Jadczyk's article Truth or Lies'.

See Predator's Mind, Kundalini, Matrix Control System, Hyperdimensional Reality, Food for the Moon

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Mirror

This word is used in a variety of meanings in esoteric contexts.

In the QFS or 4th Way Work context, the mirror is a group event where one person is shown himself by others. The idea is that a group which is sufficiently diverse, consisting of many different types of people, is more objective than a single person and affords a 360 degree view of a situation or person. To be free of personal likes or dislikes, a mirror should be given in the pursuit of truth and is thus limited to a Work context. Group opinion outside of the Work is notoriously undependable. A mirror generally is perceived as shocking or socially disagreeable. This comes from the fact that if If the mirror is any good, it will conflict with the subjective filters of perception most people maintain concerning themselves. In other words, people's self image is more or less based on lies to self and in the degree the mirror reaches its intended truthfulness, it will challenge these lies. In the theoretical event of a person possessing objective self-knowledge and receiving an objective mirror, there would be no shock or new information.

A common New Age thought is that reality automatically mirrors the individual. This is very imprecise and simplistic. There is a sort of interaction but its rules are complex and sometimes it may seem that reality responds in kind, sometimes in reverse, sometimes not at all. Also the timing can be quite indefinite, as in karma being balanced much later, hence the concept of a direct mirroring between the inner and outer is as such not very useful.

Steiner describes various processes involving mirror-like correspondences between worlds. For example, a recently deceased soul passes through a state where the inner state is reflected as outer perception. The correspondence between shapes of the physical and astral world is a peculiar process of mirroring in multiple dimensions, described in more detail in Steiner's book on the 4th dimension. Many of the New Age misconceptions about mirror-like effects may be over-generalizations and misapplications of such notions.

Concerning the mirror-like interaction of the person and environment, Gurdjieff gives us the following maxims:

* Faith of consciousness is freedom

* Faith of feeling is weakness

* Faith of body is stupidity.

* Love of consciousness evokes the same in response

* Love of feeling evokes the opposite

* Love of the body depends only on type and polarity.

* Hope of consciousness is strength

* Hope of feeling is slavery

* Hope of body is disease.

The QFS teaches that introducing objective observation into the system of one's reality creates order and makes creative interaction possible whereas wishfulness (or wishful thinking) increases chaos. In a state of objectivity directed action is possible whereas a state of greater chaos compels one to simply respond to outside circumstance.

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Frequency_Fence

This is a Cassiopaean or Pleiadian term for an artificial construct meant to occlude perception or keep someone's perception or FRV within a particular range.

The term was first used in Bringers of the Dawn and then mentioned a few times in the Cassiopaea material. The two sources seem to use the term in a similar meaning.

We cannot give a precise definition of the term. We can think that consciousness has a frequency and that this frequency binds it to a realm where this frequency fits. This is similar to a radio tuner not receiving transmissions which are off the selected frequency even though their signal physically reaches the antenna. The frequencies to which the receiver is not tuned are invisible, as it were. A frequency fence is a structure which keeps receivers and transmitters it affects tuned to a certain band. The idea is insidious in that the frequencies that one cannot access for all intents and purposes do not exist. Thus it is difficult or impossible to prove the existence of such a thing, specially from inside it.

The effects of such a thing would greatly vary depending on the affected persons' natural tendencies. If one naturally stays within the fence one need never become aware of it. Further, distinguishing artificial limitation from natural limitation is problematical.

In practical terms, a frequency fence may manifest as any artificial control on emotion, however usually tending away from consciousness, towards indifference or depression or towards chaotic activity or obsessive preoccupation.

The only defense against such can come from awareness of the possibility of the fence and of knowing oneself. Having these, one can use will to combat the effects of the fence or to avoid situations where it is felt the most.

We note that this need not be a planet-wide situation in all cases. The effects may be localized or be transmitted through particular people. The Wave and Adventures series at the Cassiopaea site discuss many unusual effects that may be linked to a phenomenon of this sort. Saying anything conclusive is next to impossible but the idea of electromagnetically influencing the mind is well demonstrated. Thus there is corroboration for the general concept, although its hyperdimensional aspects are not fully understood.

From Bringers of the Dawn:

' It was like corporate raiding on Wall Street. These creator gods raided Earth approximately 300,000 years ago-the time period, historically speaking, that you would call the beginning of human civilization.

[ ]

When this skirmish occurred, a certain group of entities fought in space and won the territory of Earth. These new owners did not want the native Earth species - the humans - to be informed of what took place. Uninformed, the species would be easier to control. This is why light is information and darkness is lack of information. These entities beat out light, and Earth became their territory. It gives you a new idea of light, does it not? There was great radioactivity and nuclear action, and much of Earth was rent asunder. The original species, human creation, experienced great destruction and was scattered. These new creator gods who were the new owners were also master geneticists. They understood how to create life, and they wanted this territory for their own reasons. Territories are created and held by certain energies for many reasons, one of which is that there is consciousness within all things. Consciousness communicates continuously. Consciousness vibrates, or can be led to vibrate, at certain electromagnetic frequencies. Electromagnetic energies of consciousness can be influenced to vibrate in a certain way to create a source of food. Just as apples can be prepared and eaten in a variety of ways, consciousness can be prepared and ingested in a variety of ways. Some entities, in the process of their own evolution, began to discover that as they created life and put consciousness into things through modulating the frequencies of forms of consciousness, they could feed themselves; they could keep themselves in charge. They began to Figure out that this is how Prime Creator nourished itself. Prime Creator sends out others to create an electromagnetic frequency of consciousness as a food source for itself. The new owners of this planet had a different appetite and different preferences than the former owners. They nourished themselves with chaos and fear. These things fed them, stimulated them, and kept them in power. These new owners who came here 300,000 years ago are the magnificent beings spoken of in your Bible, in the Babylonian and Sumerian tablets, and in texts all over the world. They came to Earth and rearranged the native human species. They rearranged your DNA in order to have you broadcast within a certain limited frequency band whose frequency could feed them and keep them in power. [ ] Anything [of DNA] that was unnecessary for survival and that could keep you informed was unplugged, leaving you with only a double helix that would lock you into controllable, operable frequencies. A frequency fence, something like an electrical fence, was put around the-planet to control how much the frequencies of humans could be modulated and changed. As the story goes, this frequency fence made it very difficult for the frequencies of light-information-to penetrate. ' [End quote}

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Plato%27s_Cave

This may be the most widely known segment of Plato's writings. In the allegory of the cave, people are chained in place inside a dark cave, so that they cannot turn their heads and are forced to watch shadows projected on the cave wall. These shadows are cast by shapes which parade in front of a fire at the other end of the cave. This is a sort of archaic movie theater. The people imprisoned in the cave mistake the shadows for reality and invent fanciful theories for explaining the various types of shadows, discuss them, place bets on their appearances and movements and so forth.

If one of these captives were released, he could see the fire and the shapes parading before it. But further still, he could escape entirely from the cave and see the outer world. First, the outer world would have to be seen at night, the eyes not being adapted to the brightness of the day. Progressively, the released captive could see the outside world in full daylight and even make out the contours of the Sun itself. If now this adventurer were to return to the cave, the other captives would believe no part of his story. And if by malchance he would have become less interested in or less adept at speculating about the shadows on the wall, the other captives would take this to be the proof of actual madness. Such is the fate of seers.

This is a rather clear representation of the control system and scale of densities all in one concise package. Also the fate of the returning hero is clearly pointed out. Plato's freed captive corresponds in many points to the classic hero.

Plato may well have been an initiate of the mystery schools of his day, where such things were in all likelihood understood. We know very little of these mysteries but it would not be surprising to find these concepts there since these were certainly found in Gnosticism only a few centuries later. The mainstream of modern philosophy tends to see this allegory as simply a statement on intellectual knowledge and learning. This interpretation also works but it may be that Plato was referring to the 'matrix' in more literal terms.

http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Matrix_Control_System

The term Matrix refers to the movie hit of the same name from 1999. The word is used as a collective term for present day Earth reality. It contains the following features:

People do not understand they are in prison. They are made subjective, complacent, materialistic and pusillanimous.

People are used as a natural resource for a higher power outside of the matrix, as in 'food for the moon.'

There is a small possibility of waking up, involving group work and a profound realization that all one's life thus far has consisted of lies and illusion almost exclusively. Even what good impulses may have existed have been twisted out of shape by false beliefs absorbed from the environment.

The people of the Matrix actually for the most part like their captivity and will even defend it.

The Matrix can insert any conceivable influence into people's lives in order to get them back in line. These can be sticks as well as carrots, most too subtle to recognize with certainty. See A influences.

Because the Matrix Is not explicit, because it is a fundamental element of reality, people do not see it nor do they in their state of sleep look for anything outside it.


Going past the allegory, we see the actual matrix as consisting of multiple levels. The first is direct political control and explicit power structures. The second level is cultural values and religions. Beyond these are likely human agencies such as secret societies combining influences in big money, military-industrial circles, churches and social institutions. These power brokers are however not part of the visible government. Such structures may themselves have multiple levels. At some point most probably exist parties directly dealing with so-called aliens or 4th density STS forces.

This structure maintains control through various means. However, we do not see the necessity for pervasive direct mind control since time-tested methods of political manipulation, appeal to patriotism and religion, undermining education, promoting poverty and other such techniques seem to be fully adequate. In some cases, more targeted mind-control may be a reality, as in engineered apparitions, synthetic telepathic messages, Greenbaum programming etc.

The deepest and most metaphysical level of this is not perceptible to us. According to the Cassiopaeans this is built right into human genetics by the 'owners' of the planet. The legend of the Fall from Eden is an allegoric rendition of the installing of this deepest level of control.
 
iloveyoghurt said:
Sooo,

you think there is an electric fence?

I have seen some preliminary research into the possibility of a correlation between certain genetics thought to be associated with "psychic" abilities and increased rates of cancers and auto-immune diseases. It would be interesting if the research revealed any increase in such a correlation resulting from the current modern EM field.
That might be why shamanic individuals in past times, after the initial near-death experience, recovered and lived long, healthy lives, while these days it seems a lot of disease becomes triggered. Or so I am told...
 
iloveyoghurt said:
Sooo,

you think there is an electric fence?
Quite a few sources allude to this concept - RedFox quoted most of them above. I found another one recently reading John Keel's "The Eighth Tower". Keel quotes Charles Fort (whom Laura mentions in the Wave)
[quote author=Charles Fort in Keel's Eighth Tower]
I think we are property.
I should say we belong to something.
That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something: That something owns this earth - All others warned off.
[/quote]
This is very much similar to the Bringers of the Dawn excerpt quoted above. And properties often have fences........
 
There is a lot to explore here - thanks very much!! And well done for unraveling my meaning - it's quite difficult to get these ideas down to something logical and communicative!

I've come across the ownership of the planet; planet as a prison, and such ideas that are collective, ie, involve the whole of Humanity/Earth and I suppose my curiosity is, 1. if it actually does in any way home in to individual FRV,
2. if so, how - whether by design, or by some(thing's) conscious will to do so (OPs etc are of interest here).

And then if so again, whether it has anything to do with illnesses, and how.

I wonder this especially when I consider illnesses affecting glands, hormones, chakra, and the central nervous system for some reason (come to think of it, probably every disease is in some way connected to these).

I am especially interested in nwigal research, that's kind of exciting to hear actually. Quite on the mark for me. In my experience it's not the kind of information my specialists will tell me about, no matter how much I niggle. No surprise I guess, but, it still makes me sure wonder to myself - if you are a surgeon, a specialist in such an intense field, how do they not wonder about more left-of-field possibilities??

Also thanks to obyvatel for the comment "to be able to learn how to get over the "electric fence" while maintaining the (cow) body." Resonated strongly with me and I will chew on this for a while (no pun :) )

Thanks again for the input here.
 
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