Question on Suicide

[Dick]

Very interesting!

Now my father committed suicide when I was sixteen years old, could he have been programmed? He was an alcoholic, and told me a month before he did it, that he was planning it, because he hadn't given me a good life.

I was angry, of course, at myself and him. I blamed myself for not doing something to stop it, and did for many years, which included drinking hard. However I did go into treatment for alcoholism, because I didn't want to continue the cycle. I learned to disassociate the act, from our relationship, it was in a way, a lesson.

 

[Dick]

I guess its a scary thought to be programed for suicide, even though its still a choice.

 

[Mona]

Hmmm.....the suicide issue has always been such a touchy subject. It's sad that some people choose to leave 3D that way but I always felt that it is the individual's choice if he/she chooses to check out that way. although, I do have an issue with people who kill others and then commit suicide. A few years ago, someone my sister knew, was murdered by her husband. He also stabbed to death his two kids, the third one was a baby which was unharmed, and they also had a tenant renting a room in the basement who was murdered as well. At the end of his killing spree he commited suicide (he was a very bright architect here in Calgary, his parents also mentioned that he heard noises so he was probably an undiagnosed schizophrenic). Their house where these murders were commited has just been advertised for sale; I wonder who will choose to live in an environment soaked in blood from top to bottom.

I know myself that the reason why I wanted to commit suicide in the past was due to abuse that I went throught, but always at the back of my mind, even though I stocked up on sleeping pills just in case I decided to do it, I knew that it was wrong, so I never did it. But what I have been trying to make sense out of is why someone like Don Elkins would end his life that way; someone who knew way more about our reality than most people do who commit suicide. Don must have received answers to the many questions about our ugly reality, which possibly were not included in the books he had published, and that should have helped him become aware of the dangers lurking from 4D reality. I know that it was his choice, but still......................

Is it possible that certain individuals, such as Don, after entering the 5 D instead of being recycled to 3D the individual has a choice to go straight to 4 or 6D? It would be great if we could choose to just leave our bodies behind for whatever reason without being subjected to the karma forces. That wishful thinking again; oh I get a felling this wishful thinking mentality is engraved withing my DNA. I cannot remember CC's saying if this is a possibility in the 4th density only. That maybe the 4D souls have a chance to play many roles in many bodies if that is what they chooses.

Sorry for being all over with my thoughts here. Maybe it's the weather depressing me again, it's been raining in Calgary for 2 days now and it's been really cold, 6 degrees Celsius.

 

[anart]

Hmmm.....the suicide issue has always been such a touchy subject. It's sad that some people choose to leave 3D that way but I always felt that it is the individual's choice if he/she chooses to check out that way. although, I do have an issue with people who kill others and then commit suicide. A few years ago, someone my sister knew, was murdered by her husband. He also stabbed to death his two kids, the third one was a baby which was unharmed, and they also had a tenant renting a room in the basement who was murdered as well. At the end of his killing spree he commited suicide (he was a very bright architect here in Calgary, his parents also mentioned that he heard noises so he was probably an undiagnosed schizophrenic). Their house where these murders were commited has just been advertised for sale; I wonder who will choose to live in an environment soaked in blood from top to bottom.

I don't think that someone who murders others and then kills themselves really falls into the same category as someone who commits suicide. They appear to me to be two completely different dynamics.

I know myself that the reason why I wanted to commit suicide in the past was due to abuse that I went throught, but always at the back of my mind, even though I stocked up on sleeping pills just in case I decided to do it, I knew that it was wrong, so I never did it.

How did you know it was wrong? Can you elaborate?

But what I have been trying to make sense out of is why someone like Don Elkins would end his life that way; someone who knew way more about our reality than most people do who commit suicide. Don must have received answers to the many questions about our ugly reality, which possibly were not included in the books he had published, and that should have helped him become aware of the dangers lurking from 4D reality. I know that it was his choice, but still......................

I think Don was under attack and due to the fact that their channeling project was unwilling to look at the darker side of our reality, he was unprepared to understand what was going on. It's not my understanding that he or anyone involved in that project received answers about our ugly reality, because they did not ask those questions and they limited the input due to their own desire to not 'look in that direction'. This left Don rather unprepared for what he was experiencing regarding psychic and energetic attack. This is my understanding, so if I'm mistaken I'm sure others will correct me.

Is it possible that certain individuals, such as Don, after entering the 5 D instead of being recycled to 3D the individual has a choice to go straight to 4 or 6D? It would be great if we could choose to just leave our bodies behind for whatever reason without being subjected to the karma forces. That wishful thinking again;

Yes, that sounds like wishful thinking.

oh I get a felling this wishful thinking mentality is engraved withing my DNA. I cannot remember CC's saying if this is a possibility in the 4th density only. That maybe the 4D souls have a chance to play many roles in many bodies if that is what they chooses.

Sorry for being all over with my thoughts here. Maybe it's the weather depressing me again, it's been raining in Calgary for 2 days now and it's been really cold, 6 degrees Celsius.

No worries - if these questions cross your mind, it's good to ask them. If we don't ask, how do we ever get answers?

 

[daco]

Cs said that suicide can be like a lesson to someone.In some cases suicide is right thing to do.
I want to ask do animals commit suicide? Some in science said that that they dont,but it is unclear.I dont think that this is the case becouse of learning lessons,animals are 2D,they too learn lessons on their own.Soo,if they learn lessons,animals can do suicide.Some said I quote "that animals first need to be shown to have a well-developed sense of self before they could even consider the idea that they might decide to voluntarily end their lives."I agree with that,but what about learning proces for them,maybe some animals do commit suicide.But questions is how,is it an instinctive urge or something else.
Any clues about that?

 

[theos]

Cs said that suicide can be like a lesson to someone.In some cases suicide is right thing to do.
I want to ask do animals commit suicide? Some in science said that that they dont,but it is unclear.I dont think that this is the case becouse of learning lessons,animals are 2D,they too learn lessons on their own.Soo,if they learn lessons,animals can do suicide.Some said I quote "that animals first need to be shown to have a well-developed sense of self before they could even consider the idea that they might decide to voluntarily end their lives."I agree with that,but what about learning proces for them,maybe some animals do commit suicide.But questions is how,is it an instinctive urge or something else.
Any clues about that?

I think first the question should be "do animals know that its actions will lead to death?" What is an animal's perception of being alive and can we, as humans, know what an animal perceives? Does the male preying mantis know that mating with the female will lead to its death. Would his mating be considered an act of suicide?

Maybe some cases of animal roadkill are suicides. I've heard that some farm animals "volunteer" for slaughter when the farmer comes around.

Maybe suicide is not a 2D concept due to the nature of 2D. Maybe they check out by whatever way that happens to be available when it is their time to go.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Risen]

Don't whales sometimes commit suicide by beaching themselves? Of course it's impossible to know the reason or to assign an intention to their actions, however they are extremely intelligent animals. It seems that the most common "reason" for suicide is to end unbearable pain, psychological or physical. Suicide can be carried out by the mind causing the body to die of natural causes or to be involved in an accident so many who apparently take their own life are possibly suspect as having some underlying STS influence or intention as it would be easy for any remotely intelligent person to make it look like an accident. OSISI.

*edited to add something- I think if someone commits suicide because of extreme pressure from an outside source or an attached entity it would be considered murder. Gives attached entities something to think about in that they are continuing to accrue Karma until they go home!:/

 

[davey72]

I had mentioned him being a one time friend, in fact he was one of my best friends. One day he left his wife and children(teenagers) and started living with another lady, who spent most of her free time with the bottle, which he seemed to be doing more of.

From the day he left, he wouldn't talk to me anymore, I'd try and start a conversation, when I seen him, but he avoided me every chance he got. When he finally took his life, it was at his previous home, in the garage, carbon monoxide posioning. I also mentioned he wrote a five page letter to his current wife which was not very complimentary, from what I understand.

One of the reasons this bothers me, is that my father, and a couple other friends committed suicide.

So its quite possible, an STS or bad guy took up residence with them, and fed off the misery, and possibly, in fact helped them in there act? I know this question might sound black and white to a certain degree, but small meaningful steps in understanding are better than none at all.

H Dick.
This would all make sense if he was in a depression.
It can be very debilitating.
Just remember: Free will
I am pretty new here, so please excuse my ignorance.
please let me,or someone know about this.
although u seem to be firmly entrenhed

I had meant to do this as a small child. The one thing that made me get this job, was cause

EDIT: Wow. I am not sure what i was trying to say here. i was pretty sure that i had written at least another paragraph,or two.
I cannot seem to figure out how to erase a post altogether???

So, i will leave it as is, and try to do better next time.
sorry.

Mona--- I remember the incident you were referring to here in Calgary. This seems to happen all to often.

 

[realitybugll]

what I wondered about before is if there is some objective level of pain...which once reached...the person will commit suicide. now, people commit suicide from pain which stems from all kinds of things so this is complicated. like someones suicide may seem illogical, you may say "why would he kill himself over that." but depending on many factors...different brain chemical imbalances...perhaps there is some objective point.

Also what I think is that suicide is a lot easier today perhaps. though jumping and hanging are both popular and these could have been done thousands of years ago. as we have progressed to perhaps the up and coming wave... and lizards manipulating society to keep us in 3d, perhaps more people are committing suicide than in the past.

maybe there is no objective level of pain so to speak. Some people, depending on many factors, are just more willing to stick it out than others. but for me it is always hard to compare people. like I don't think you can say someones life is harder than another persons. maybe adding psychopaths into the equation you could make such a comparison.

Another thought... it is easy for me to intellectually reason why I should commit suicide. especially with parts of my belief system. going to 5d etc. A lot of times I am feeling bad...and I have thought a couple times about suicide. I have heard this said and I feel the same way... I don't feel like I have the courage to commit suicide. then, there is also a lot of reasons or thoughts that I have for not committing suicide.

for some reason this gives me motivation to live. though it could probably be taken as motivation to die also I don't know.

All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.

also... I like this one

Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?

we are living in exciting times it appears to me.

I dunno... I have to think that if someone commits suicide they had more pain then I've ever experienced. its sad. I like what some of you said about knowledge. "awareness" seems to be a factor probably. I belief in a potential of our species... that many might not see. I can't say I know the point of existence obviously. the C's would say: why should there be point?

hmm... perhaps like being gay... there is also suicide. to me it fits in like... people committing suicide is not the norm of our reality, but it is a quirk (same for people being gay) this is probably a bad comparison is many views... but that is what I'm trying to say. in a broader view we just have to accept it and any learn from it. I was thinking at one moment. suicide is an STS choice. no STO. but maybe you can'y draw a line like that.

 

[davey72]

Would the 4th Density STS feed off of the misery he was going thru?

As we understand it thus far, the misery he was going through while in the body could indeed have been "food" for hyperdimensional beings.

Among the saddest cases I have witnessed as a hypnotherapist are the ones where an individual is deeply religious and dies without an inkling of what is on the "other side" and then become lost and wandering souls, imprisoned by their own errors of belief.

Please Correct me if i'm wrong, but arn't there earthbound souls,etc? as if they are purging some type of karmic debt? Seems as if it a lot of them don't wanna know.
Perhaps, i'm way off base here

Edit=Quote

I have noticed that sometimes pieces of my posts are missing sometimes. EG: i have tried modifying this one post a few times now. I thought perhaps i was stepping over the line by addressing another on the forum, but i see this is not the case.
Have i been edited by the mods for rambling? i am a little confused by this. Is this really just me not remembering correctly what i wrote?

 

[Leo40]

To live or to die is a choice every individual makes every day.
Since there is an infinite variety of individuals it seems fruitless
to speculate on their motivation.
This choice can be conscious or subconscious.
Have you considered the 'slow' suicide?
Some people have definite self-destructive behaviours.
Many people do not consciously realize that their behaviour and
psychological attitudes will eventually destroy their body.
Perhaps you will find some clues in "The Myth of Sanity".
Some people suffer years of abuse but still have an almost
ferocious will to live.
Just some thoughts.

 

[Paragon]

Personally, I have had suicidal thoughts before, over a traumatic emotional event earlier in my life. But i had too many things to live for and i don't think that it was a serious enough event that my will to live was overruled by a wish to die. Perhaps if everyone I knew died or something Equally as awful happened, then my will to live would decrease, I don't know.

I think that if one committed suicide then you would wound your friends and family to the highest degree and that could be considered selfish or STS. You could also look at it like a lesson, since all there is , are lessons, anyway.

Even if something terrible happened that made you consider suicide , then you might somehow find a way to heal that pain, say EE . Then if you were able to look at that traumatic event , you might be able to crystallise a real 'I' within yourself. And then you could become inclined to become more of an STO candidate.

Just a few thoughts :)

 

[davey72]

To live or to die is a choice every individual makes every day.
Since there is an infinite variety of individuals it seems fruitless
to speculate on their motivation.
This choice can be conscious or subconscious.
Have you considered the 'slow' suicide?
Some people have definite self-destructive behaviours.
Many people do not consciously realize that their behaviour and
psychological attitudes will eventually destroy their body.
Perhaps you will find some clues in "The Myth of Sanity".
Some people suffer years of abuse but still have an almost
ferocious will to live.
Just some thoughts.

I think u are right Leo40. I have always know that i was self destructive, but it is only recently that i have begun to do something about it.

Hmmm.....the suicide issue has always been such a touchy subject. It's sad that some people choose to leave 3D that way but I always felt that it is the individual's choice if he/she chooses to check out that way. although, I do have an issue with people who kill others and then commit suicide. A few years ago, someone my sister knew, was murdered by her husband. He also stabbed to death his two kids, the third one was a baby which was unharmed, and they also had a tenant renting a room in the basement who was murdered as well. At the end of his killing spree he commited suicide (he was a very bright architect here in Calgary, his parents also mentioned that he heard noises so he was probably an undiagnosed schizophrenic). Their house where these murders were commited has just been advertised for sale; I wonder who will choose to live in an environment soaked in blood from top to bottom.

I know myself that the reason why I wanted to commit suicide in the past was due to abuse that I went throught, but always at the back of my mind, even though I stocked up on sleeping pills just in case I decided to do it, I knew that it was wrong, so I never did it. But what I have been trying to make sense out of is why someone like Don Elkins would end his life that way; someone who knew way more about our reality than most people do who commit suicide. Don must have received answers to the many questions about our ugly reality, which possibly were not included in the books he had published, and that should have helped him become aware of the dangers lurking from 4D reality. I know that it was his choice, but still......................

Is it possible that certain individuals, such as Don, after entering the 5 D instead of being recycled to 3D the individual has a choice to go straight to 4 or 6D? It would be great if we could choose to just leave our bodies behind for whatever reason without being subjected to the karma forces. That wishful thinking again; oh I get a felling this wishful thinking mentality is engraved withing my DNA. I cannot remember CC's saying if this is a possibility in the 4th density only. That maybe the 4D souls have a chance to play many roles in many bodies if that is what they chooses.

Sorry for being all over with my thoughts here. Maybe it's the weather depressing me again, it's been raining in Calgary for 2 days now and it's been really cold, 6 degrees Celsius.

Hi Mona. This, to me , is amazing that you worded your post the way that you did. I also wanted to commit suicide from an early age. In fact i have died, due to overdose. I have always beleived in past lives, and karma, so when i was about 20, i promised myself that i would never do it, however bad it got. Not cause i'm brave, but because i always felt that if i took the easy way out, i would just have to do it over again. At the time, i did not want this at all.
I also have some people in my life that have done this. Actually, my daughter hung herself when she was 14 yrs old.
I dont say that for pity, as i honestly shy away from that. I just thought it might be pertinant to my post.

As far as Don (Elkins?) . I have also been wondering most of these questions.

I didn't think yer thoughts were all over, either.
I t also struck me as odd that i live in calgary, as well. So i know exactly how you feel about the weather.

 

[daco]

Have you considered the 'slow' suicide?

I personally do.My subjective opinion on slow suicide is that people actually live in that state,it is horiffing thought that people slow suicide themselves with the life they lead.They are slowly killing themselves.We have no will,no permanent I,we are mechanical beings and the most important is that we do not know ourselves.Suicid is end of life,but real life isnt life that most people live,soo if they lead false life with false personality and sleepy essence they actually killing themselves each minute,hour,day,year,they killing what they can BE,what they actually are.I understand slow suicide in this sense.
In real life human being have permanent I,real will,he can DO,he is on another level of life.

Have you ever consider idea that people actually kill themselves that they make suicid every minute to the end of they life,that is slow suicide.Killing of the essence,of what is real and yet they are alive and they dont know that they slow suicide themselves.People slow kill themselves every day and yet they dont know what they are killing,they kill the truth and live lies.I do not talk here about OP,I,m talking about humans that are like us and like all normal people.For me a horiffing thought but maybe true is that people make slow suicide every day and the numbers are in billions.

 

[davey72]

Don't whales sometimes commit suicide by beaching themselves? Of course it's impossible to know the reason or to assign an intention to their actions, however they are extremely intelligent animals. It seems that the most common "reason" for suicide is to end unbearable pain, psychological or physical. Suicide can be carried out by the mind causing the body to die of natural causes or to be involved in an accident so many who apparently take their own life are possibly suspect as having some underlying STS influence or intention as it would be easy for any remotely intelligent person to make it look like an accident. OSISI.

*edited to add something- I think if someone commits suicide because of extreme pressure from an outside source or an attached entity it would be considered murder. Gives attached entities something to think about in that they are continuing to accrue Karma until they go home!:/

Hello Opossum.
I think i remember reading somewhere that the c's said that the beaching of whales was usually due to some type of government experiments, and they are just trying to get away from the discomfort that it causes them.
I am sure someone will correct me if i am wrong.