Red Symphony
I read the treads with much interest as some very important things were being said about the depths that we go through to maintain our beliefs. Red Symphony seemed to be a charged subject scratching out a good discussion about ideologies as much as the subject proper, which was a rather thought provoking way of challenging our sacred cows.
RS was discussed with emphasis on “possible” as Laura quite rightly said, also, that in the end we will perhaps never know the reality of this document. But in keeping with “possible”, how can this be measured? RS describes two sides of a coin as do most conflicts. The coin is not owned by anyone side, it seems to be minted for the pleasure of others, each side projects something in opposition to the other but very much in keeping with a calculated aim, or is it calculated to maintain chaos? RS describes a thread weaved back to some tapestry which is abstract; we just don’t know what we are looking at or even just where it is or fits. Is the coins minters an influence or is in fact the proverbial they/them equation? Is it possible to define? RS is complex to say the least and separating the wheat from the shaft seems a daunting task and is probably an exercise in futility that lies within circles upon circles. Along these very lines elsewhere much has been written and the angles are bloated in meaning and connections.
My awareness concerning ideologies within the context of this thread was that it seems humanity must have this banner to march behind in whatever form, however, it is of trifle concern to a consortium who march to a different tune. I think, however; this is open to opinion, that it is logical from a Ponerology standpoint, that power such as was discussed care not for ideologues and their dramas, these kind must be hell-bent on pure manipulation and greed and whether they finance the belts and brown shirts of the Third Reich, are architect of the Lend Lease Allied agreements, mine the steel ore for tanks, guns and destroyers of any nation, mix the chemical compounds or develop the fuses for bombs makes no difference, they are a part of this all; all other is fodder in whatever way they design.
The book “Merchants of Death” by H.C Engelbrecht and F.C Hanighen published 1934 speaks very well about the interconnections starting with the Bank financiers, Media (much owned at the time by the arms industry), Brokers, Arms Makers, Steel and Chemical concerns dyestuffs etc. As you can see by the date it precedes WWII and does not seem to be polluted by post WWII bias. That being said, today it is no different; “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”, the names and faces have changed but more or less nothing else. The same can be said of the hidden apex comptrollers who all others underneath could not operate unless permitted.
I first came across Red Symphony many years ago, digested the story and filed it away in my mind thinking I might stumble on this again or find some seed in some other story that might present cross pollination, so to speak. Yes there are many seeds but I still don’t know what exactly the plant looks like; maybe a hyperdimensional root system is apt?
Back to RS: a couple of things written about banks and fiat currency in general; Dr. Martin Larson in discussing “The Importance of Sound Money” wrote quoting John Maynard Keynes, …”Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch the currency.” Dr. Larson continues, “Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society….The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose….The governments of Europe…are fast rendering impossible a continuance of the social and economic order of the 19th century.”
In the threads of RS there was much debate on the objectives of one in particular concerning the authenticity based on his possible academic rendering of historical beliefs written by a myriad of authors looking to piece things together neatly. There was discussion about Trotsky that weighed him neatly to one side; it seemed in an effort to tie him down. Connections to any Rothschild was opposed sighting, if so, why was he not helped in exile. However, it is known as even Rakovsky discusses, that Leon Trotsky was married to Abram Zhivotovsky’s daughter who was a Rothschild friend and associate banker. If he was scapegoated, perhaps this was by design? It is possible too that Lenin and then Trotsky became caught up in an later power struggle with Stalin who was very silently hinted at being an agent/spy of the Okhranna czarist secret police, although this was never believed and would be vehemently opposed; but evidence does exist – see ‘Stalin’s Great Secret’ by Isaac Don Levine, published 1956.
In RS, “them/they” allusions were made concerning hidden hands inclusive of many well known banking interests such as Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg etc. and of course the “World Bank” word debate, which must have been interpreted by the various translation copyists via the Russian, French and Spanish translation synthesis as being difficult as was said, not really knowing the source documents. The feeling from Mr. McNally was that this ‘word’ could not exist as it was not coined (no pun intended) or would not be utilized at the time. This became a point of contention and was also seen as a sacred cow which I agree it was. The ‘word’ may indeed have morphed when finally penned in the 50’s or 60’s (I think this was close to the date of RS book?) due to original textual meaning/confusion. The word ‘World Bank’ was in vogue at that time and fits within the lexicon of the day and age, but nonetheless, the word ‘Central Bank’ whether the Bank of England or the German Reichsbank was often the term used earlier and strived for; all were interconnected, hence from a central place, as in one place, as in world place, as in world bank. Whether the ‘word’ was used or not in the main is perhaps moot as the interconnectedness of banking was on a central heading, and must surely have been used as it fits their ultimate objective, especially if you were, say an international banking financier.
Now back to hidden hands or they/them allusions. Dr. Larson discuses that the Warburg family and Mr. Paul M Warburg , later of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. were the principle stockholders of the Reichsbank and son Paul came to the US in 1902 to the firm described above. “In 1913, he accepted the Order of the Reich, were his brother was head of the secret police.” And it gets better, “Wilson (Woodrow) appoints Warburg to membership in the first Federal Reserve Bank…he was not only the principal architect of the Fed, but continued also as its guiding spirit even during the years when we were at war with his motherland.” “It has been stated on good authority that it was through the aid of Warburg’s brother that Lenin was able to cross Germany to Russia in a sealed train in 1918.” The rest, inclusive of the Glass bill, Aldrich bill, Jekyll Island etc. is well documented and along these lines, the allusion to them/they made above is no stretch at all.
There have been reams of paper written on banking subjects so I will end that here with the point being that the descriptions made in RS were in my opinion synchronous with the objectives of a global consortium. To illustrate this on a final comment by Dr Larson speaking about the Fed and other, “…Fed officials, as such, are above the law; for they cannot be punished or even penalized for anything they may do in that capacity.”, then he says, “We must , then, conclude that we are ruled primarily, not by our elected representatives, but by a consortium of international financiers who use their position to manipulate our currency for their aggrandizement to a degree probably without parallel in the history of civilization.” [Notwithstanding hyperdimensional influences].
In the RS thread there was also a flurry of exchange concerning the word “Communism” as not being a word that was much in use and would never be used as a descriptor of the USSR. NKVD, and also death statistics were questioned by the hand of this regime.
A long time ago I chanced to meet an elderly man of Norwegian descent who upon discussion of his interests lent way to giving me a number of strange books. To me at the time they were not books of the main and confused me by way of their origins, topics and direction; my thoughts were then and to some degree now that there was disinformation here. However, in keeping with the view that history is written by the victors, I gave them some due and will recount a few for references.
“The Crime of Moscow in Vynnytsia” - Testimony on the murder of 9,439 Ukrainians by the Soviet NKVD
This was written by the ‘Institute for Historical Review’ by John F. Stewart.
In the preface “…It was Lenin himself who said that…” “Three-quarters of mankind must die if necessary, to ensure the other quarter for Communism”.
The publisher goes on to say that, “Of course, we shall never be able to obtain exact figures for the number of deaths at the hands of Communism, since all massacres are perpetrated by tyrants who have no interest in publishing incriminating statistics. We have to rely on the reports of dissidents who have managed to escape the iron grip of Bolshevism, and on the description of western diplomats and journalists who may have been in the area at the time.”
“On 31st October 1967, exile groups from the Iron Curtain countries held an Inter-Denominational Service to Commemorate the Victims of Communism at the Royal Albert Hall London. The death toll – so far – of communist tyranny was given there as follows:”
Russian Revolution & Civil War 1-1/2 Million
Civilian Deaths in Civil War & Ensuing Famine 13 Million
Murder of “class enemies” and minorities 3 Million
Famine caused by disaster of Five Year Plan 7 Million
Stalinist Purges 1-1/2 Million
Labor camp deaths 1921-60 19 Million
USSR only total 45 Million
Solzhenitsyn in ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ sites exiled Soviet statistician Kurganov estimating the total at the hands of the KGB and predecessors as at least 66 Million.
This book goes on to tell the story of atrocities by Russians on the Polish prisoners of war at Katyn and on and on inclusive of detailed signed reports by Ukrainian peoples.
What does one say about any of this? Whether the numbers were one or thus stated, I added them because the RS thread comments seemed by the one, to be somewhat contentious.
A little side note about the NKVD; during the 1940’s after Lend Lease was operational, the US aircraft industry shipped 7,926 airplanes to Moscow via the Alaska-Siberia corridor. In Alaska, the planes were taken over by many NKVD agents trained to fly or they were there to watch-everything. The planes were stripped of their US insignia and repainted in the USSR Star standards.
A very well researched book entitled ‘War planes to Alaska’, written by Blake W. Smith describes in detail and interviews the conditions and events of this armament rout. The rout spearheaded out of the Great Falls air base pipeline and it is noted, “It was here, over a period of time, that the Soviets were completely effective at segregating their affairs from prying eyes of American officials, to the extent that they almost run the base.” Many officials had had some words from on high about hands off and these officials were very concerned and felt they were being had. Officials, “…first noted…that small quantities of baggage labelled personal luggage, not subject to inspection because of ‘diplomatic immunity’ began to pass through for shipment to Russia aboard C-47 transports. Before long the entire cargo compartment of the c_47s were being taken up by the personal luggage and guarded by two armed couriers whose job it was to make sure that an inspection would not take place.”
A few pilots and officials had had enough and challenged the couriers, Smith said, “…What he discovered stunned and baffled him-scientific papers by the thousands, road and railway maps detailing every point in the U.S. and American military papers by score marked ‘Secret’…Most mysterious were countless papers bearing the letterhead, Manhatten Engineering District…eventually lean was that these papers related to the Manhatten Project, and building of the world’s first atomic bomb. Words like ‘cyclotron’ and ‘proton, deuteron’ and ‘uranium 92’ made little sense at the time but all were scribed in his notebook.”
Well, well, it makes one think that all the arrests by the FBI over ‘Nuclear Secrets’ at that time were pure window dressing and scapegoat patsies? TPTB seemed to facilitate the Soviets quit well.
All in all many of these heavy laden flights left under armed guard and there are good stories told by the pilots about the weights, measures and security-all protests were met with stern reprimands of silence. On the other side of the pond the Russian pilots or others who participated in Lend Lease were forbidden to talk about it, even after the war, “…I was called before the KGB and it was explained to me that America had never sent airplanes to the USSR which meant I could never have piloted them. They advised me never to speak to anyone about the subject and took away my identification card verifying I was a war participant-it was finally returned to me in 1991.” General M.G. Machin of the USSR was presented with the American “Legion of Merit” for his exceptional service as head of the Soviet Military Mission in Alaska. He said to his son later after he had found some photos, “Did you know, during this time photographs were not permitted...NKVD watched and followed everybody to prevent the divulgence of military secrets. This is why I have hidden these photographs-don’t talk to anyone.” His son gave him his promise.
The Soviets were given approximately 20,000 airplanes from the US and England.
As stated above, this rout also became a pipeline for many industrial and military secrets by sympathisers and others who may have been trying to seed the conditions for future conflict and the arms race i.e. nuclear material. There are stories that the US was playing around with heavy water near Noam Alaska and that the NKVD agents were flying that rout and photographing all. There is certainly evidence concerning fissionable materials being trans-located through this rout.
Now to the other side of the coin; there is a book written in 1944 by author Curtis Riess called “The Nazis Go Underground”. This is a very strange book written in a unique way including hypothetical interviews between real Nazi characters and personas within congress and the senate preparing for their underground activities.
Riess says, “…If nothing else the last fifteen years have proved that it is an ungrateful business to warn the public against the Fascist danger. The world did not want to be warned against the Nazis. First there was the general conspiracy not to speak about the Nazis at all, and frightened people-fist in Germany, later in the entire world-believed that if Hitler wasn’t mentioned he somehow would become non-existent…In vain were hundreds of books and articles published warning the world against the coming events. The world preferred to play deaf and dumb.” [go back to sleep]
When bombs laid ruin to the Prinz Albrechtstrasse. “Himmler’s rooms contained a small but extremely specialized private library, consisting entirely of books dealing with the subject of underground movements. There were volumes on the intrigues of Bourbons since 1789, on Bonaparte movement after 1815, on what happened in Prussia between 1806 and 1812. There were Kotzebue’s works on the history of German orders, the writing of Lenin and Trotsky on organization of underground movements, and of Djershinsky-the first efficient police organizer of the Bolshevists-as well as books on the Ku Klux Klan, the Irish revolutionary movements, the German Free Corps, and Feme organizations of the early 1920’s et cetera.”
Described is a book by German Count Adolf Franz Friedich von Knigge called innocently enough ‘On Dealing with People’ which was changed by the publisher later to reflect along the titles name, “…the original book, however was no mere work on social etiquette. It contained the laws and rules of a secret society. In short, its subject was how to deal with people in order to promote a revolution, how to form tactics and strategy for revolts.” This apparently then was available in the original edition of 1788 and could then be found in some libraries. This book seemed to be described as being written primarily about secret societies of “the Illuminaten whose raison d’êtres was to fight against the monarchic principle for the rights of the third estate and for the idea of international brotherhood.”
There is described a new comer group called the Cabonari also mentioned by Rakovsky and are described as small cells that attempt to upset monarchic regimes and were active in Russia, France, Italy and elsewhere and whom Louis Napoleon was member. In Russia they were mostly army officers and the first important group were the Decembrists who in 1825 attempted an open revolt against the Czar.
In the sectioned called “Those Who Paid Hitler” the usual crew was working overtime from Krupp, Thyssen, IG Farbin, Schnitzler; not elaborated on was the US and other activities. There was a curious section about the French Riviera were it seems the neighbours may have shared more than the rivers delights. For instance, Herr Thyssen’s (on his false flight) neighbours that flanked his Villa were, “…Sir Neville Henderson, former British Ambassador to Berlin, a Tory of the purist water, and an appeaser if there ever was one. On the other side of him lived Pierre Etienne Flandin, the well-known reactionary French politician, the man who represented the interests of French industrialist of the Thyssen type.” These of course were but a fraction of the them/they(s) living along the Riviera at that time and the same must be true today. Imagining the fire side chats concerning global objectives is not difficult. If this is so, it is not either a stretch to see this compounded across the globe of our reality; imagine the financiers of Wall Street or Geneva, Russia, China and England, the industrialists of all kinds propping up arms dealers whose shipments are bought and paid for by tidy loans or government trade agreements. Imagine the various government factions around the globe with their intelligence arms inputting and outputting data and deeds that direct the causes and effects like ripples on a pond. Can you even imagine the conversations of this magnitude – chilling indeed? It seems that it could not be possible for a governing entity with its industrial children to operate within a one world vacuum unless corrdinated; coordinating arms and all else must run like tentacles throughout all entities?
Napoleon in his last instructions to his son, the King of Rome, wrote: “Let my son read and reflect on history: this is the only philosophy.”
I add this as it is quoted from Hamilton Fish’s book ‘FDR the Other Side of the coin’ published in 1976.
Hamilton Fish the senator is not well known to me as I am not of that country and he was most likely controversial, but he was a voice, not sure if always of reason but perhaps we can hear on that note? It is obvious that he was no fan of FDR, at least in the later part of his presidential tenure. He says a couple of thing within about America entering the war with Japan that are worth noting: “The internationalists’ and interventionists’ cauldron began to seethe and bubble in the United States two years before the outbreak of World War II. The ingredients which Macbeth’s witches used for their hell’s broth were not more terrible or infernal than those thrown into the prewar brew by President Roosevelt and his belligerent prowar cabinet. What were those ingredients? Quarantining the aggressor nations with the lives of American boys, policing the world with the blood and treasure, proclaiming war embargoes, undermining our traditional neutrality and peace [that’s a stretch] for so-called collective security around the world-one-worldism and the demands by the president for unlimited power and money from congress to involve us in war without a declaration of war.”
I see history repeated close to those words with these last political cabals.
Of Churchill, Fish states, “Churchill was a far greater man in every respect than FDR, but he was never permitted to forget that Roosevelt held the purse strings and the military might, the two controlling cards in the game of war and peace. When Churchill sat down with FDR and Stalin at Teheran and Yalta conference, he was, in poker face parlance, squeezed out of the game.”
Of the Declaration of War: Fish as ranking Republican gave a speech on December 8th, 1941 for which later he said, “I am ashamed of that speech today as I know about Roosevelt’s infamous war ultimatum that forced Japan’s leader to fight. And if they hadn’t, they would have been shot by their own people. “
Many have heard all the angles here so I will not further this accept he says something that caught my attention as it relates to what the C’s once quoted (I think closely anyhow); Fish is talking about concessions to Stalin in Eastern Europe and China which resulted in 6 hundred million people being consigned to the yoke of communism, “There is no valid reason for the infamous war ultimatum. Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive…”
From a political insider there is much of interest in this book; Fish was defiantly no friend of communism and discusses extensively Churchill at Yalta and how he was used and the oddities of FDR and his actions; “You shall know them by their fruits”.
Apologies for the diversion; a final thought on RS.
Is it possible the words written in the RS story are but a fiction? Some of the best truths known are written in this way and many authors know this. I think most know that historical records are vetted judiciously to whatever aims fit with academia, governments, industrialist and publicists. Were the original transcripts planted to obscure the source, penned in such a way as to deflect suspicion? Record keeping of that time was expeditious so someone with access should be able to follow the personas? RS describes manipulative roots and Rakovsky said them/they(s) were obscure. Indeed they must be, what we see are undoubtedly the facades that operate out of blind lust for power, but even they may know not the ultimate reason for their actions. They are certainly used as gatekeepers that help to keep beliefs onto a chosen path. We seem so inundated with innuendos about this group or that and speculations runs amuck. Do even these groups know the patterns and the real thread being used that bind them? Have they met the tailor and seen his work? Do they/them(s) operate through the façade groups like a downloaded program, an interface within the couscous or sub conscious mind operating as suggested from a hyperdimensional place? Indeed maybe we can’t know them/they because they may not be of this reality; their strings only operating through chosen lines/DNA constructs, by activated psychopathic switches, their mainframes of our reality programmed to execute the instructions without question? This indeed could be a most marvellous game of the gods? Or is the reality really just one or a small group that is physical behind the curtain of our reality? That seems to simplistic based on our historical known past.
Thanks for all of your reasoning on the Red Symphony subject; it sure triggered some excitement to revisit a few other things from the past, some which have been included here.
PS. I am really a novice at posting – tried cut and paste from a word document that was spaced and then had to repeat space on the forum page, which was difficult; It is evident that I am doing it wrong, can anyone advise?
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