Role of Russia

I love how it is demanded that Putin should rebuild the country faster than the oligarchs and the other criminals destroyed it - and Putin has actually done that except that there are still problems and very powerful interests that don't want these problems solved (not to mention all the resources poured into destabilizing Russia from abroad). Even a single building can be demolished very quickly compared to how long it takes to construct it, never mind a country as large and complex as Russia.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I love how it is demanded that Putin should rebuild the country faster than the oligarchs and the other criminals destroyed it - and Putin has actually done that except that there are still problems and very powerful interests that don't want these problems solved (not to mention all the resources poured into destabilizing Russia from abroad). Even a single building can be demolished very quickly compared to how long it takes to construct it, never mind a country as large and complex as Russia.

Well said. That's what I mean by "black-and-white" thinking.
 
Keit said:
Laura said:
A lot of black-and-white thinking and apparent feelings of social displacement/feelings of entitlement.

The point is, no one says that what ever happens in Russia is ok, not at all. I think that unless a foreigner will spend a year in Russia (or in Belarus) and will live through the periodic hot water cut offs (that happen at least twice a year for couple of weeks or more each time) or no water at all for some time, heat cut offs in winder, electricity cut offs, other similar disruptions, they can't really understand Russians or what ever contributes to their mentality.

But then, there are all kind of people, and they can look at the same situation but see something completely different, and Russians are no different, even if in my personal opinion there are many Russian ideals that are worthwhile of developing. And that's what perplexed me about Putin, that he spoke in a way no other politician in the world spoke. Among all the filth, incompetency and degradation there was this no BS person who was on a completely different level.

Yes - agreed. I actually experienced a lot of the things you mention, Keit while growing up under Communism in Poland (I'm vintage 1976).The blackouts, the power shortages, no food in stores - all that. And I think what that contributes to a person's mentality is resilience. This is why the embargo on Russia is only likely to increase its people's resolve.

Having said that, I have also come to a realisation that I have a deeply-seated mistrust of Russia - not necessarily Putin, although this prejudice does rub off on him by proxy. I suspect that this is true of a large proportion of the Polish society, including my peers. After all Russians came and invaded Poland - several times. Last time, they stuck around for something like 40 years...

This is why researching Putin has been interesting to me personally. He is a fascinating guy with a great intellect, very astute reasoning and impressive oratory skills. He is also one gutsy dude! His sense of humour is quite funny too - yeah, a person larger than life but people like that. Not bad for a Russian...

Some of the comments in his thread were quite critical - high taxes, no breaks for small business, this and that. Well, to that, I only have one thing to say - you wouldn't be saying that back in the old days. Back then, you would have been thrown in a gulag or shot in the woods. Nowadays, it appears that it is the businessmen doing all the shooting, always wanting more for themselves and less for the people actually doing the work.

Not to mention that those same complaints are heard in Australia, Poland and many other "Western" countries. It's like you are regurgitating another form of propaganda. And it also smacks of the downtrodden negativism that is all too common in the Polish psyche as well. Like the last comment by Laura - how do you expect Putin - or anyone to fix that?

Start within yourself?
 
Appreciate the discussion here and the comments from the 'locals' , and thanks for the videos Keit!

How education has played an important role is interesting, i would probably also add that they haven't been brainwashed with the idolatry so favored by the west. I think this plays in the to the day to day psychology of Russians, in that they create their own lives and don't 'look up to' authority in the way so many of my peers did/do. A stereotype that obviously won't apply to all.

Just to add my relatively uninformed perspective. Russia was seen, by the west. as a country run rampant in the 90's and advertised as a den of oligarchs by the millennium. I bought the propaganda regarding Georgia but after 10+ years of continuous war by the west; then came the Syria stand off.

Prior to that i was unsure about Putin and was suspicious about his 'role' in the big picture. I personally was suspicious of ANY person in that position. I thought he may be part of some hegelian dialectic, good guy/bad guy thing. Once it became clear enough that Putin was the only force preventing a Libya, in Syria, i think inquiring minds began to see through the propaganda.

The thing is, many were upset Putin hadn't 'done' enough with Syria. But as time has passed, and things have gotten worse, you begin to see - with hindsight - the potential problems and attacks he must have been faced with and can appreciate how difficult the task must have been!

With this in mind, looking at the situation today, i am confronted with the idea that Putin is a man of principles in a python pit and how he has had the foresight to preempt these problems, is probably due to the 'training' he received growing up in that contrived chaos. As Laura has said, in his speeches he appears to say as much as he can without getting shot, but then i think he may drop even juicier details and it's just the audiences lack of knowledge, or disbelief, that doesn't have people rioting in the streets. That, and the fact he gets no publicity or it is twisted.

So from my perspective, in comparison to the vast corruption i witness living in the UK, Russia under Putin is leading by example. The analogy of steering a ship comes to mind.

An example of 'typical UK corruption': rather than create bike lanes in London, the mayor instead had a bank (Barclays) 'sponsor' the creation of 'rent a bikes' that were plagued with problems and only really available to the chattering classes. So in effect, cycling is still dangerous but both the mayor and his cronies got a nice payoff. Or the building of 100 luxury flats on public land with 10 'affordable places' for 'public workers' that have a separate back alley entrance for those workers flats.

So when i read that is at least *some* progress in Russia with regards to infrastructure, comparatively that's more than that's happening over here, and we KNOW our leaders are insane. An example is the past 10 years of war, just for starters. I guess i consider the corruption in both countries to be comparable, it's just that over here it's under cover of peerages and 'private public partnership' deals.
 
itellsya said:
Appreciate the discussion here and the comments from the 'locals' , and thanks for the videos Keit!

How education has played an important role is interesting, i would probably also add that they haven't been brainwashed with the idolatry so favored by the west. I think this plays in the to the day to day psychology of Russians, in that they create their own lives and don't 'look up to' authority in the way so many of my peers did/do. A stereotype that obviously won't apply to all.

Indeed. The hard reality of living in Russia/Ukraine taught many people not to trust ANY authority in power.
 
Laura said:
SeekinTruth said:
I love how it is demanded that Putin should rebuild the country faster than the oligarchs and the other criminals destroyed it - and Putin has actually done that except that there are still problems and very powerful interests that don't want these problems solved (not to mention all the resources poured into destabilizing Russia from abroad). Even a single building can be demolished very quickly compared to how long it takes to construct it, never mind a country as large and complex as Russia.

Well said. That's what I mean by "black-and-white" thinking.

Being more or less an American expatriate, I had naively grown accustomed to thinking of the ability to be utterly immersed in and easily susceptible to black and white thinking (myself included) as an American trait. I have been disabused of that notion. Just curious about what Europeans around me were thinking about all of this, I made some probing comments to draw people out. Mostly, any even moderate statements questioning the "Russia is bad" propaganda received an entirely knee jerk response. Any statement I made no matter how carefully worded elicited a sort of, "How can you defend Putin?" It was
like any statement I made that was not outright critical of Russia was equivalent in their minds to saying, "Putin is the 2nd coming of Christ." Western propaganda has really done a job on him.

Interestingly enough, I elicited some different responses in an English class I was giving. I had a debate class on the subject of Crimea and provided the source materials. Standard propaganda for the anti-Crimean independence team and some less accessible materials for the pro-Crimean independence team. The same kinds of people who might have the knee-jerk responses described above easily understood and presented the independence argument and the subtleties surrounding it.

It sort of showed me the reality of the noise vs. signal concept discussed in this forum. Life IS complex, but sometimes right and wrong is not so complicated as it is made out to be. It is like the PTB introduce massive amounts of noise to keep people in shades of gray where they don't exist and thinking in a black and white way where there are subtleties to be understood. Devious little turds, aren't they?
 
Altair said:
itellsya said:
Appreciate the discussion here and the comments from the 'locals' , and thanks for the videos Keit!

How education has played an important role is interesting, i would probably also add that they haven't been brainwashed with the idolatry so favored by the west. I think this plays in the to the day to day psychology of Russians, in that they create their own lives and don't 'look up to' authority in the way so many of my peers did/do. A stereotype that obviously won't apply to all.

Indeed. The hard reality of living in Russia/Ukraine taught many people not to trust ANY authority in power.

Yeah there's quite a lot of people in Armenia that also don't trust ANY authority of any kind (another thing I like about living here). I think it might be an ex-USSR thing. But that can also cut both ways, when you have a trustworthy authority (like a political or other leader) some keep this kind of skeptical attitude, which could be good, but some of these types will be very reluctant to give credit where credit is due. This has the potential of making them easy to manipulate by Western propaganda.

Patience said:
It sort of showed me the reality of the noise vs. signal concept discussed in this forum. Life IS complex, but sometimes right and wrong is not so complicated as it is made out to be. It is like the PTB introduce massive amounts of noise to keep people in shades of gray where they don't exist and thinking in a black and white way where there are subtleties to be understood. Devious little turds, aren't they?

Yup. The thing about it sometimes being easy to tell right from wrong is that I see Putin being totally different from all the others with his level of power as so completely obvious. Like the Israel/Palestine conflict - Israel's crimes and evil are just so obvious, it's a no-brainer. But notice these two issues are particularly virulently propagandized.
 
Describing the dire economic and social environment in which Putin had to operate let me also point out one more factor he also had to deal with: the Earth changes. Thus, in spring 2001, the Siberian town of Lensk was swept away by the devastating flood. It happened only 1.5 years after Putin came to power, when the whole country was in chaos, with terror in Chechnya and total corruption in Russian regions.

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The flood ruined 3,331 houses and 184 km of roads. About 40,000 people lost their homes overnight in Lensk and adjacent areas. And let me point it out once again: we are talking about North Siberia. So, you can imagine what would happen to all these people, if within 3 months of the short and cold Siberian summer these people didn't find a place to live.

This is why 196 companies or 10,000 personnel from Russia and Belarus urgently restored Lensk within 3 months. This is Lensk today:

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One could object by saying that the restoration was accompanied by corruption, but the ultimate result was that the "ineffective" and "corrupted" Putin's government within just 3 months managed to build 2,146 new apartments and repaired twice more.

Today Lensk is protected by a huge 2.5 millions sq. m concrete dam.

In another similar situation when he had to deal with a natural disaster, Putin decided to confront both destruction and corruption. As Keit very well pointed out about the efficiency of online ccommunications:

Keit said:
The same model is used by the Russian Emergencies Ministry during any emergency event or a disaster. The supervisor is sitting in the center and all the reports are being given to him over the phone, TV, etc, and it's all being done online. Maybe Siberia or others from Russia can describe this mode of operation better.

It is true. And here is another similar example. In summer 2010, thousands of houses were destroyed by the unprecedented forest fires in 15 Russian regions. Again, Putin promised to restore these houses by winter. When such a huge project has to be implemented urgently, it is hard to avoid corruption and poor quality of work. This is why after the first complaints, Putin held a meeting with the people of these regions saying:

One of the most efficient ways of quality control is a 24/7 online monitoring. This is why I will urge the relevant services to install video cameras in every significant construction area and provide 3 access points: one - at the White House, another one - at my house, and the third one - at the government website via the Internet.

Anyone could watch this project online. The government spent 5 billion rubles to restore all these houses for people. As you can see, they were finished before winter:

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Some people still complained about the quality of these houses, but while criticizing we should remember that this was an emergency project. And a new house, even if not perfect, is far better than no house at all, especially during a Russian winter.
 
Seekintruth - you possibly misunderstood my motivation- I am not in any way complaining about my life. I have just enough for a decent living. I Love my country (as we russians indeed call it Motherland) and do what it possible to make it a better place for our people. And there is no need in western propaganda to see what really happens in my country.

Laura, as you wrote in your book (if i remember correctly in SH1), If the hypothesis, no matter how beautiful and neat it looks encounters a fact that contradicts it, it should be thoroughly reexamined or checked off.
Yes, i do understand your statement "what a real leader can do". that is one of the reasons behind creating this thread.
If a TRUE leader has a WILL to Serve To Country/People- the results would be obvious.
Stalin is a good example. After the defeat in WW1, Civil war, Intervention country was lying in ruins. The Bolsheviks, mostly Jewish agents (sponsored by the Jewish bankers and western intelligence services), were planning as Trotsky said, to throw (sacrifice) Russia in the fire of the world revolution. It took Stalin extraordinary efforts to intercept the initiative and make a U-turn to start a nationally oriented Soviet "project". At that time the country was in isolation and officially unrecognized by major powers. The people were mostly uneducated peasants and the economy was based on farming. He knew that the second round of world war was coming and he needed the country to be able to defend itself. It required developed industry and an educated citizen. So he proposed and implemented the economic plans called "Five years" (Пятилетки). Starting first 1928-1932, second 1933-1937, third 1938-1942 and so on. The results were really Astonishing and still not beaten economy wise by any other country. For the first four years the country had built 1500 major factories, hundreds of new cities, roads, eliminated unemployment and illiteracy. Basically created from blank automobile, aviation, machinery, chemical, metallurgic, electrical etc. industries in all the major spheres ONLY in for 4 Years!! The economy production wise exceeded 3 times the results of considered most prosperous in capitalist Csar's period 1913. After second stage (even though not all the aims were achieved) USSR became self-sufficient and second after US. Anglo-Saxon and capitalist's world suffered from bankers inspired Great Depression that time and couldn't believe such a giant leap forward from "barbarians". People believed in idea of service to each other, collectivism, equality, fair income distribution and the need to protect homeland. These and other factors defined the outcome of war. Lots of veterans and middle aged people in Russia (more than 50%), despite 25 years of active "democratic" propaganda campaign demonizing Soviet period and especially Stalin, still adore him and his achievements making acting elite furious. Country basically functions on the infrastructure build in Soviet times. Nobody was investing in it for the 20 years, that explains a big number of technogenic accidents. (https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1933/01/07.htm, russian version of stats http://www.opentown.org/news/870/, http://za.zubr.in.ua/2010/03/23/5206/). By the way Stalin could speak to the people very effectively for as long as needed WITHOUT reading before written speeches as in nowadays!
What we have today, shortly: http://www.putin-itogi.ru/putin-what-10-years-of-putin-have-brought/ (Although it was written a couple of years ago by opposition, most of the facts described remain. we do not expect such summaries made by government controlled/sponsored media).

Another scary stats from 2011 (I could not find the English version, will translate a couple of examples):
Russia occupies first place in the world: in murders, prisoners, suicides of youngsters and elderly, deaths from road accidents, drug addicts (heroine), deaths from heart diseases, absolute figures in mortality rate etc etc.(http://news.bcm.ru/society/2011/1/29/21436/1). Not good achievements to boast of. That figures are not also shown on TV (most channels are controlled directly and indirectly).

Two more points. Libya, as you remember, was "handed over" to France, US, NATO by Russian neutral vote at the Security Council. West was so convincing apparently. Also notice, that apart from a couple of Ministry of Foreign Affairs statements, no active effort is made to try to stop Israel bombing Palestina.

IMO, something is wrong with the "kingdom" of stability and prosperity.
I presume that our mutual efforts networking are aimed at getting to the truth.


Kniall - the masons were actively working in Csar's Russia long before Bolsheviks in 1917.
 
Antony said:
Another scary stats from 2011 (I could not find the English version, will translate a couple of examples):
Russia occupies first place in the world: in murders, prisoners, suicides of youngsters and elderly, deaths from road accidents, drug addicts (heroine), deaths from heart diseases, absolute figures in mortality rate etc etc.(http://news.bcm.ru/society/2011/1/29/21436/1). Not good achievements to boast of. That figures are not also shown on TV (most channels are controlled directly and indirectly).

If you look at the statistics from the time Putin came into power until now, you'll find many crimes have dramatically declined. Just look at five years worth of data (2005-2010) here: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_federal_subjects_by_murder_rate

The homicide rate went from 21.5 per 100,000 in 2005 to 11 per 100,000 in 2010. I think that's pretty remarkable.

Two more points. Libya, as you remember, was "handed over" to France, US, NATO by Russian neutral vote at the Security Council. West was so convincing apparently.

Putin has expressed that what happened in Libya was the point when he understood that the US/NATO cannot be trusted. This might have been mentioned in The Unknown Putin video series. Have you watched those yet?

Also notice, that apart from a couple of Ministry of Foreign Affairs statements, no active effort is made to try to stop Israel bombing Palestina.

The man has been trying to do all he can to create whatever safetynet he can from a worldwide collapse (with BRICS) and this needs to be done carefully and strategically given the influence the US and Israel has over the World Bank and IMF. I think there's so much he can do and doesn't want to make the situation worse by throwing more fuel on the fire. And given what we know about what he is doing publicly, there may very well be a number of things he's doing behind the scenes that cannot be public knowledge.

Here's some examples of his recent activity:

Putin's six-day tour of Latin America ends with creation of BRICS and signing of energy agreements as opposition to Western powers gains strength
http://www.sott.net/article/282136

Putin and new Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi discuss readiness for top-level cooperation
http://www.sott.net/article/279670

Russia's relationship with China at highest level in history - Putin
http://www.sott.net/article/279486

Putin's Latin American tour: Russian leader meets Fidel Castro, writes off 90% of Cuba's Soviet-era debt, and signs oil and gas exploration deals
http://www.sott.net/article/281747

Building alliances! Putin makes unplanned stopover in Nicaragua
http://www.sott.net/article/281789

Syria hands over last of chemical weapons, credits Putin
http://www.sott.net/article/280874

Building bridges: Putin hopes to strengthen Russia's business contacts with Argentina
http://www.sott.net/article/281837

I presume that our mutual efforts networking are aimed at getting to the truth.

Yes, that is the aim. It's a group effort that involves looking at reality versus the narratives we create that reinforce beliefs. Is that something you're willing to do?
 
As for the corruption in construction projects issue, it's the same the world over. Many of the infrastructure projects from the 20th century in the US that we point to with pride today were riddled with corruption when built. Some of them cost ten times what they should have because so many people had to be paid off, etc. the important thing is that the building codes are adhered to so people don't get hurt.
 
Isn't it amazing that Stalin is being glorified while Putin is being nullified? Stalin industrialized on a massive scale? This is as inaccurate a depiction as the Putin era. I don't think facts matter at this point in the discussion. Books can be (and have been written) about Stalin and what he did - good and bad - but notice the idealization of his "achievements." What else needs to be said - totally different standards being applied to "find the truth."

Something else that strikes me as "funny" is the claim that we shouldn't have to leave our country but should stay and reform it. They used to say this to my father in Soviet Armenia. He told those who said this to reform it themselves and let him make his own decisions of where and how it's best for him and his family to live. If in fact Russia of the Putin era was as described by Antony and others, there would be NO possibility of meaningful reforms and improvements - just like USSR and US and EU - so better get moving or come to terms with it. That's why my family left USSR and US.
 
Putin's no hero.

The give me back my pen video is great illustration of a centralized authority abridging the freewill of it's unfortunate constituents, but it makes great political theater because he's punishing a group of people whom a different group of people consider bad or greedy or corrupt.

"...he is aware that everyone steals and will continue to do so unless they will be retrained slowly but steadily." And the solution is for the entire country's morality to be retrained by the one central babysitter, Putin? How will the people ever build character while still under the thumb of the state? Reminds me of the Progressive philosophy that believes, "sure the people should be free, but they're not quite ready yet, so until then, they need a small group of intellectually and morally superior people to tell them what to do." Of course, in their minds, the people will never be ready.
 
SeekinTruth said:
Isn't it amazing that Stalin is being glorified while Putin is being nullified? Stalin industrialized on a massive scale? This is as inaccurate a depiction as the Putin era. I don't think facts matter at this point in the discussion. Books can be (and have been written) about Stalin and what he did - good and bad - but notice the idealization of his "achievements." What else needs to be said - totally different standards being applied to "find the truth."

Indeed; especially since Lobaczewski identified Stalin as a characteropath.

He wrote:

Frontal characteropathy: The frontal areas of the cerebral cortex (10A and B acc. to the Brodmann division) are virtually present in no creature except man; they are composed of the phylogenetically youngest nervous tissue. Their cyto-architecture is similar to the much older visual projection areas on the opposite pole of the brain. This suggests some functional similarity. The author has found a relatively easy way to test this psychological function, which enables us to grasp a certain number of imaginary elements in our field of consciousness and subject them to internal contemplation. The capacity of this act of internal projection varies greatly from one person to another, manifesting a statistical correlation with similar variegation in the anatomical extent of such areas. The correlation between this capacity and general intelligence is much lower. As described by researchers (Luria et al.), the functions of these areas, thought-process acceleration and coordination, seem to result from this basic function.

Damage to this area occurred rather frequently: at or near birth, especially for premature infants, and later in life as a result of various causes. The number of such perinatal brain tissue lesions has been significantly reduced due to improved medical care for pregnant women and newborns. The spectacular ponerogenic role which results from character disorders caused by this can thus be considered somewhat characteristic of past generations and primitive cultures.

Brain cortex damage in these areas selectively impairs the above mentioned function without impairing memory, associative capacity, or, in particular, such instinct-based feelings and functions as, for instance, the ability to intuit a psychological situation. The general intelligence of an individual is thus not greatly reduced. Children with such a defect are almost normal students; difficulties emerge suddenly in upper grades and affect principally these parts of the curriculum which place burden on the above function.

The pathological character of such people, generally containing a component of hysteria, develops through the years. The non-damaged psychological functions become overdeveloped to compensate, which means that instinctive and affective reactions predominate. Relatively vital people become belligerent, risk-happy, and brutal in both word and deed.

Persons with an innate talent for intuiting psychological situations tend to take advantage of this gift in an egotistical and ruthless fashion. In the thought process of such people, a short cut way develops which bypasses the handicapped function, thus leading from associations directly to words, deeds, and decisions which are not subject to any dissuasion. Such individuals interpret their talent for intuiting situations and making split-second oversimplified decisions as a sign of their superiority compared to normal people, who need to think for long time, experiencing self-doubt and conflicting motivations. The fate of such creatures does not deserve to be pondered long.

Such “Stalinistic characters” traumatize and actively spellbind others, and their influence finds it exceptionally easy to bypass the controls of common sense. A large proportion of people tend to credit such individuals with special powers, thereby succumbing to their egotistic beliefs. If a parent manifests such a defect, no matter how minimal, all the children in the family evidence anomalies in personality development.

The author studied an entire generation of older, educated, people wherein the source of such influence was the eldest sister who suffered perinatal damage of the frontal centers. From early childhood, her four younger brothers exposed to and assimilated pathologically altered psychological material, including their sister’s growing component of hysteria. They retained well into their sixties the deformities of personality and world view, as well as the hysterical features thus caused, whose intensity diminished in proportion to the greater difference in age.

Subconscious selection of information made it impossible for these men to apprehend any critical comments regarding their sister’s character; also, any such comments were considered to be an offense to the family honor.

The brothers accepted as real their sister’s pathological delusions and complaints about her “bad” husband (who was actually a decent person) and her son, in whom she found a scapegoat to avenge her failures. They thereby participated in a world of vengeful emotions, considering their sister a completely normal person whom they were prepared to defend by the most unsavory methods, if need be, against any suggestion of her abnormality. They thought normal woman were insipid and naive, good for nothing but sexual conquest. Not one among the brothers ever created a healthy family or developed even average wisdom of life.

The character development of these people also included many other factors that were dependent upon the time and place in which they were reared: the turn of the century, with a patriotic Polish father and German mother who obeyed contemporary custom by formally accepting her husband’s nationality, but who still remained an advocate of the militarism, and customary acceptance of the intensified hysteria which covered Europe at the time. That was the Europe of the three Emperors: the splendor of three people with limited intelligence, two of whom revealed pathological traits. The concept of “honor” sanctified triumph. Staring at someone too long was sufficient pretext for a duel. These brothers were thus raised to be valiant duelists covered with saber-scars; however, the slashes they inflicted upon their opponents were more frequent and much worse.

When people with a humanistic education pondered the personalities of this family, they concluded that the causes for this formation should be sought in contemporary time and customs. If, however, the sister had not suffered brain damage and the pathological factor had not existed (exclusionary hypothesis), their personalities would have developed more normally even during those times. They would have become more critical and more amenable to the values of healthy reasoning and humanistic contents. They would have founded better families and received more sensible advice from wives more wisely chosen. As for the evil they sowed too liberally during their lives, it would either not have existed at all, or else would have been reduced to a scope conditioned by more remote pathological factors.

Comparative considerations also led the author to conclude that Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, also known as Stalin, should be included in the list of this particular ponerogenic characteropathy, which developed against the backdrop of perinatal damage to his brain’s prefrontal fields. Literature and news about him abounds in indications: brutal, charismatic, snake-charming; issuing of irrevocable decisions; inhuman ruthlessness, pathologic revengefulness directed at anyone who got in his way; and egotistical belief in his own genius on the part of a person whose mind was, in fact, only average. This state explains as well his psychological dependence on a psychopath like Beria. Some photographs reveal the typical deformation of his forehead which appears in people who suffered very early damage to the areas mentioned above. His typical irrevocable decisions his daughter describes as follows:

Whenever he threw out of his heart someone whom he had known for a long time, classifying him among his “enemies” in his soul, it was impossible to talk to him about that person. The reverse process became impossible for him, namely persuasion that he was not his enemy, and any attempts in that direction made him fly into a rage. Redens, Uncle Pavlusha, and A.S. Svanidze were incapable of doing anything about it; all they accomplished was to have my father break off contacts and withdraw his trust. After seeing any of them for the last time, he said goodbye as if to a potential foe, one of his “enemies”…

We know the effect of being “thrown out of his heart”, as it is documented by the history of those times.
When we contemplate the scope of the evil Stalin helped to bring about, we should always take this most ponerogenic characteropathy into account and attribute the proper portion of the “blame” to it; unfortunately, it has not yet been sufficiently studied. We have to consider many other pathologic deviations as they played essential roles in this macrosocial phenomenon. Disregarding the pathologic aspects of those occurrences and limiting interpretation thereof by historiographic and moral considerations opens the door to an activity of further ponerogenic factors; such reasoning should be thus regarded as not only scientifically insufficient but immoral as well.

Regarding subconscious selection mentioned in the above excerpt:

Information selection and substitution: The existence of psychological phenomena known to pre-Freudian philosophical students of the subconscious bears repeating.

Unconscious psychological processes outstrip conscious reasoning, both in time and in scope, which makes many psychological phenomena possible: including those generally described as conversive, such as subconscious blocking out of conclusions, the selection, and, also, substitution of seemingly uncomfortable premises.

We speak of blocking out conclusions if the inferential process was proper in principle and has almost arrived at a conclusion and final comprehension within the act of internal projection, but becomes stymied by a preceding directive from the subconscious, which considers it inexpedient or disturbing. This is primitive prevention of personality disintegration, which may seem advantageous; however, it also prevents all the advantages which could be derived from consciously elaborated conclusion and reintegration. A conclusion thus rejected remains in our subconscious and in a more unconscious way causes the next blocking and selection of this kind. This can be extremely harmful, progressively enslaving a person to his own subconscious, and is often accompanied by a feeling of tension and bitterness.

We speak of selection of premises whenever the feedback goes deeper into the resulting reasoning and from its database thus deletes and represses into the subconscious just that piece of information which was responsible for arriving at the uncomfortable conclusion. Our subconscious then permits further logical reasoning, except that the outcome will be erroneous in direct proportion to the actual significance of the repressed data. An ever-greater number of such repressed information is collected in our subconscious memory. Finally, a kind of habit seems to take over: similar material is treated the same way even if reasoning would have reached an outcome quite advantageous to the person.

The most complex process of this type is substitution of premises thus eliminated by other data, ensuring an ostensibly more comfortable conclusion. Our associative ability rapidly elaborates a new item to replace the removed one, but it is one leading to a comfortable conclusion. This operation takes the most time, and it is unlikely to be exclusively subconscious. Such substitutions are often effected collectively, in certain groups of people, through the use of verbal communication. That is why they best qualify for the moralizing epithet “hypocrisy” than either of the above-mentioned processes.

The above examples of conversive phenomena do not exhaust a problem richly illustrated in psychoanalytical works. Our subconscious may carry the roots of human genius within, but its operation is not perfect; sometimes it is reminiscent of a blind computer, especially whenever we allow it to be cluttered with anxiously rejected material. This explains why conscious monitoring, even at the price of courageously accepting disintegrative states, is likewise necessary to our nature, not to mention our individual and social good.
 
Dragon Snacks said:
Putin's no hero.

The give me back my pen video is great illustration of a centralized authority abridging the freewill of it's unfortunate constituents, but it makes great political theater because he's punishing a group of people whom a different group of people consider bad or greedy or corrupt.

"...he is aware that everyone steals and will continue to do so unless they will be retrained slowly but steadily." And the solution is for the entire country's morality to be retrained by the one central babysitter, Putin? How will the people ever build character while still under the thumb of the state? Reminds me of the Progressive philosophy that believes, "sure the people should be free, but they're not quite ready yet, so until then, they need a small group of intellectually and morally superior people to tell them what to do." Of course, in their minds, the people will never be ready.

You might have a different view of things if you read "Political Ponerology" and a number of other books recommended in our Cognitive Psychology section.

A comprehensive understanding of psychopathology and its role in political processes, the vulnerability of the masses of people to its machinations, the fact that we are NOT all 'created equal', is essential to realize how and why Putin is doing exactly the right things.

A comprehensive understanding of our TRUE history and how repeatedly, psychopaths have risen to power by taking over the minds of the masses is also a prerequisite for grasping just what is going on here and what is really at stake.

It also wouldn't hurt to read the Cs sessions and SOTT.net, which is informed by same.

In fact, this entire forum is more or less based on the principles extracted from the Cs inspiration and our research, so if there is constitutional disagreement, perhaps it's the :wrongbar: for some?
 
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