Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?
- Thread starter Ocean
- Start date
And I should add: If that should be the case, what we are seeing now might not be (and hopefully isn’t) the end of Syria. The Russians might have seen it coming for a while and what we are seeing is a part of a bigger chess play, possibly using the crazy ambitions/ideas of US/Israel in a counter move.
axj
The Living Force
Yes, I strongly suspect that Trump's likely support for the Greater Israel project may be one of the main reasons why the Zionists seem to have helped getting him elected.
Yet, according to the C's Iran already has nuclear weapons and the latest air raid on Iran by Israel was a complete failure due to more advanced air defense systems. Even if Lebanon falls too, there seems to be no way Israel could defeat Iran - unless the US participates as well (which is something I am sure Trump will not do).
Bloody hope so. We shouldn't be shocked now I suppose as nothing is as it seems.
The world is crazy and it appears that anything could happen at any time.
Currently, the Syrian collapse feels like a massive blow.
I expect more surprises, Incoming!!
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
I am SO HAPPY that the Russians pulled through in saving Assad and his family. 
@iamthatis ignore my previous comments. I wasn't happy at the thought that Assad had been left behind by Russia. I also hope people who have been giving Russia support in Syria get asylum in Russia and that there's an operation to evacuate these people who have helped them over recent years.
@iamthatis ignore my previous comments. I wasn't happy at the thought that Assad had been left behind by Russia. I also hope people who have been giving Russia support in Syria get asylum in Russia and that there's an operation to evacuate these people who have helped them over recent years.
Not just licking their lips, they are quite active in that direction.
From Ynet, today, 15:46, sorry for clumsy machine translation
The IDF has captured the Syrian Hermon. Netanyahu and Katz at the border: this is a historic day
Sheldag fighters captured without resistance parts of the high peak of Mount Hermon, which for more than 50 years was under Assad's control, and is considered a strategic point that dominates the mountain.
... Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu arrived this morning in the Mount Bental area of the Golan Heights, near the border, and was accompanied by hispupDefense Minister Katz. The two were interviewed by the commander of the Northern Command, Major General Uri Gordin. The Prime Minister said that "This is a historic day in the history of the Middle East. The Assad regime is a central link in Iran's axis of evil - this regime has fallen. This is a direct result of the blows we inflicted on Iran and Hezbollah, the main supporters of the Assad regime. This created a chain reaction throughout the Middle East of all those who want to be freed from this regime of oppression and tyranny."
According to him, "This of course creates new, very important opportunities for the State of Israel. But it is also not without risks. We work first of all to protect our border. This area was defined for nearly 50 years as a buffer zone that was agreed upon in 1974, the separation agreement The forces This agreement collapsed, the Syrian soldiers abandoned their positions.
For the first time since the fall of the Assad regime , the Air Force launched a wave of attacks in Syria - and Sheldag fighters captured the high peak of Hermon: Ynet learned that the fighters of the Air Force's commando unit captured the Syrian Hermon - as part of an operation designed to improve the army's grip on the region, and especially on the summit that weakens In the observation and fire on the other branches of the Hermon. The occupation comes at the same time as a wave of attacks by Air Force planes, according to Arab reports, at airports in Damascus and southern Syria, alongside the rural areas of Daraa and Sawida.
The ground occupation of the Mount Hermon was not the only one. The Syrian Center for Monitoring Human Rights reported that Israel entered various areas in the countryside of Quneitra using tanks and armored personnel carriers, up to the al-Raqad bridge. According to the report, Israeli forces also approached civilian homes in the village of al-Hamidia, north of Quneitra. It is alleged that the forces shot and killed a young man from the town of Jabata in the northern countryside of Quneitra, arrested all the residents of the village of Rasm al-Rawadi and took them to the village's school
The occupation of the Syrian Hermon and the takeover of the buffer zone on the border with Syria was unanimously approved by the political-security cabinet. The proposal was made by Defense Minister Israel Katz, and coordinated with the IDF. ... Another target, according to one of the reports in Syria, is the center for scientific research also known as "Seres", located near Damascus. "Seres" facilities have been frequently attacked by Israel in recent years. They operated under civil-scientific research institutes, but were actually used as military facilities for the Syrian army, the Iranian regime and Hezbollah...
Elijah Kusa is an expert on international politics and the Middle East, and analyst at the Ukrainian Institute of the Future. From his TG channel (in Ru, machine translated):
Israel has expanded its control zone in western Syria.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced the termination of the 1974 disengagement agreement, under which the Israeli army withdrew from the western border of Syria, and a buffer zone was created between the parties near the Golan Heights.
Now the IDF occupies it almost entirely. At the same time, they carried out another series of air strikes on military targets in Syria, including the immigration department in Damascus, which burned to the ground.
Israel now has two tasks in connection with the collapse of power in Syria
Expand the zone of control in western Syria to cement their sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which they occupied during the 1967 war (according to MP standards, this is Syrian territory) + create another buffer zone nearby, just in case, to protect the new border.
Destroy military warehouses with weapons in order to deprive militants of unnecessary weapons and equipment that they can use against Israel if they do not reach an agreement with it.
In principle, everything is logical. The collapse of the republic in Syria is finishing off the institutional and programmatic remnants of the old regional order of the Cold War, of which the 1974 treaty and the existence of a buffer zone in the Golan were part.
ApotheosisMMC.
Jedi Council Member
In case anyone had any doubts, we now know why the ceasefire with Lebanon was recently called.
It is not known if Assad was on the plane that is said to have been shot down, the graphics themselves show strange movements and turns that are very difficult for a plane to achieve (perhaps electronic warfare), the final descent of the plane also shows that it did not lose altitude abruptly and perhaps landed at a nearby base that is 18 kilometers from the last signal emitted (perhaps they turned off the transponder).
The Syrian army, although worn down by the years, probably had some fighting capacity, in fact Russia bombed intensely during the first stages of the event without giving any respite or rest despite the limited pilots available.
Probably many people were bought off before all this started and Assad to some extent seeing that the situation was going nowhere decided to avoid an even bigger bloodbath as even a demolarized and weakened army can put up a bigger resistance than seen, even if we accept that the strategic retreats were real to some extent, it may have been decided not to fight due to the evolution of the situation.
The Syrian people must be tired of so much suffering, division of the country and that Assad's policies have not managed to change the course of the country, nor must it have seemed convenient to them to oppose the terrorists and propaganda also works miracles in some cases and in a scenario as chaotic as the Syrian theater.
It remains to be seen whether agreements can be reached that will guarantee a certain stability in the country and that will be largely carried out by the Syrians... but I am under no illusions, perhaps even more suffering will come and opportunistic factions such as Israel and Turkey may turn against the country and the Syrian powers that dare to confront them.
The little hope I see is that the new people in charge of the country will continue certain alliances with Russia.
It is not known if Assad was on the plane that is said to have been shot down, the graphics themselves show strange movements and turns that are very difficult for a plane to achieve (perhaps electronic warfare), the final descent of the plane also shows that it did not lose altitude abruptly and perhaps landed at a nearby base that is 18 kilometers from the last signal emitted (perhaps they turned off the transponder).
The Syrian army, although worn down by the years, probably had some fighting capacity, in fact Russia bombed intensely during the first stages of the event without giving any respite or rest despite the limited pilots available.
Probably many people were bought off before all this started and Assad to some extent seeing that the situation was going nowhere decided to avoid an even bigger bloodbath as even a demolarized and weakened army can put up a bigger resistance than seen, even if we accept that the strategic retreats were real to some extent, it may have been decided not to fight due to the evolution of the situation.
The Syrian people must be tired of so much suffering, division of the country and that Assad's policies have not managed to change the course of the country, nor must it have seemed convenient to them to oppose the terrorists and propaganda also works miracles in some cases and in a scenario as chaotic as the Syrian theater.
It remains to be seen whether agreements can be reached that will guarantee a certain stability in the country and that will be largely carried out by the Syrians... but I am under no illusions, perhaps even more suffering will come and opportunistic factions such as Israel and Turkey may turn against the country and the Syrian powers that dare to confront them.
The little hope I see is that the new people in charge of the country will continue certain alliances with Russia.
Last edited:
Kevork Almassian of Syriana Analysis offers this excellent opinion, and Afshin Rattansi shares his thoughts as well.
https://x.com/afshinrattansi
And from Biden's basement
https://x.com/afshinrattansi
And from Biden's basement
Assad has decided to resign from the presidential post and has left the country, - Russian Foreign Ministry
08.12.2024 - 14:34
Assad has decided to resign from the presidential post and has left the country, giving instructions to carry out the transfer of power peacefully, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
"Following negotiations between Bashar al-Assad and a number of participants in the armed conflict in Syria, he has decided to resign from the presidential post and has left the country, giving instructions to carry out the transfer of power peacefully.
Russia did not participate in these negotiations.
At the same time, we call on all parties concerned to make a convincing call to renounce the use of violence and to resolve all governance issues by political means.
In this regard, Russia is in contact with all Syrian opposition groups.
Russian military bases in Syria are on high alert. "At the moment, there is no serious threat to their security," the Foreign Ministry said in an official statement.
IN BRIEF: Assad in Moscow, security of Russian bases: what Kremlin source said
According to the source in the Kremlin, Russia has granted asylum for Syria’s former President Bashar Assad and his family members
tass.com
Same news from TASS. Assad is in Syria.
IN BRIEF: Assad in Moscow, security of Russian bases: what Kremlin source said
According to the source in the Kremlin, Russia has granted asylum for Syria’s former President Bashar Assad and his family membersMOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. Russia has granted Syria’s former President Bashar Assad and his family members asylum, a source in the Kremlin said.
TASS has summaries what is known about this to this hour.
According to the source in the Kremlin, Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Being guided by humanitarian considerations, Russia has granted asylum for them.
"Russia has always spoken in favor of a political settlement of the Syrian crisis. We insist that the UN-mediated talks be resumed," the source said.
"Russian officials are in touch with representatives of armed Syrian opposition, whose leaders have guaranteed security of Russian military bases and diplomatic missions on the Syrian territory," the source added.
EmeraldR
Dagobah Resident
what come to mind for me is the belt and road initiative -headed /backed by the usual suspects ..
China-Israel Bilateral Trade and Investment Outlook
China-Israel bilateral trade is steadily growing, with the balance in Beijing's favor. In the investment landscape, tech and infrastructure are key areas of engagement.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
To get rid of old proxies? They now have new ones, more polished.
So, Russia and Iran gave up (and over) Syria. Question is why. Iranian explanation holds the water, but I think that there will not be much change for the overall situation. Syria will remain wild zone, and maybe problem even for the West and Israel, regarding type of people who are the "opposition".
It looks like a routine event that doesn't really affect anything.
It seems to me plausible to accuse the Syrian military, at least, of sabotage, and at most, of betrayal. The reasons why they did this will have to be clarified.
Israel has developed crazy activity. It looked like they were ready for this. Here are just the headlines.
Israel has begun a large-scale occupation of the territory of Syria
Israel is bombing Syria on a large scale like never before
Israel has completely destroyed the Mezze air base in Syria
Israel destroyed the center for the development of Iranian missiles
Massive fires in Damascus after Israeli airstrikes
Россия экстренно созывает Совбез ООН из-за ситуации в Сирии
It seems to me plausible to accuse the Syrian military, at least, of sabotage, and at most, of betrayal. The reasons why they did this will have to be clarified.
В Иране обвинили сирийских военных в предательстве
Israel has developed crazy activity. It looked like they were ready for this. Here are just the headlines.
Israel has begun a large-scale occupation of the territory of Syria
Israel is bombing Syria on a large scale like never before
Israel has completely destroyed the Mezze air base in Syria
Israel destroyed the center for the development of Iranian missiles
Massive fires in Damascus after Israeli airstrikes
Это выглядит дежурным мероприятием, ни на что особо не влияющим.
Мне кажется правдоподобным обвинение сирийских военных, как минимум, в саботаже, а как максимум, в предательстве. Причины, почему они пошли на это надо будет еще выяснить.
Израиль развил сумасшедшую активность. Похоже они были к этому готовы. Вот только заголовки.
Мне кажется правдоподобным обвинение сирийских военных, как минимум, в саботаже, а как максимум, в предательстве. Причины, почему они пошли на это надо будет еще выяснить.
Израиль развил сумасшедшую активность. Похоже они были к этому готовы. Вот только заголовки.
