Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?

lilies said:
I think, this move-out of Russian forces could be 'The Test' - during which western powers can make The Big Mistake: to finally reveal their rotten sickness before the whole world, incorrigible by any damage control. If the US answers with the wrong move, like commanding Turkey to invade Syria, Putin will proceed to perform the checkmate.

Checkmate move speculations for the future:
a.) Assad will point out that several UN agreements has been violated by the Turkey invasion or any major bad response move by the West and Assad will then proceed to ask Russia to please help stop the invading force and restore peace once and for all. In which case Russia will now move in a totally different force lightning fast, prepared exactly for such cases, see major Russian military exercises in past.

b.) Putin will reveal breaking-news secrets about US involvement in organizing terror acts, withheld so far respecting undisclosed 'agreements'

c.) Cruise Missiles shower, secret Russian weapon activation satellite based or permission to deploy undetectable UFO-tech-based drones or piloted super-fast, top-secret prototype crafts compared to which current fighter-jets are like "Neanderthal tech".

I'm out of ideas..

A thought occurred to me a couple of days ago that what Russia has displayed militarily to the west, while being far superior to anything in the western arsenal, is just the tip of the iceberg. I have no real evidence to back up my hunch - ie that what was shown is 4 or 5 generations behind Russia's real capabilities. This being said, I think perhaps option c.) or some variant of it is the case. Time will tell!

Kris
 
Making this statement is good timing I think, Everyone is now expecting for Russia to pull out. Has a final deadline been mentioned? It hasn’t. Meaning its probably just a ploy. If the Empire and its vassals see this as a weakness. They might just back of with their combined military build-up in Turkey along Syria’s border. Believing that investing in their proxies should turn the battle around without Russia.

And while they do. It will gain the 4+1 coalition more time (months to a year) without a possible confrontation. This statement will cause a lot of confusion. I think it designed just to that. Russia will stay committed. No matter what. Nothing will chance. Russia will keep bombing the hell out of ISIS.


I can imagine Russia has more than enough to deal with ISIS. You only have so much targets you can identify and bomb. With ISIS on the lose on every front, its only logical that targets are running out. Russia might afford to pull some troops out and place them where they might be better needed.
 
Sitting:
In any conflict, getting out is at least as important (and probably more so) than getting in. I have confidence in this man's farsightedness. And I do not see him as a "cut and quit" type of leader.

Significantly, the airbase stays. And the naval base as well. Any future ramp up (if necessary) is not that hard. (Adversaries -- Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and others know this well. And cruise missiles can come out of anywhere ... as had been demonstrated.)

To be where we are today, was simply unimaginable six months ago. The trend in Syria, has been decisively redirected ... with good chances of a generally acceptable outcome.

But I could be wrong.

I agree - and it was not mentioned on the first news that they would be leaving the defence systems in place etc, which makes more sense. Yes, I can only think it is the ultimate trap for psychopaths - they just cannot stop themselves. Once their confusion is overrun by greed it will not be long before their evil black cloud of energy is attracted to a supposedly defenceless prey, like the vultures they are.

True, thunder will rip from all allies of Syria, when they least expect it! Their achilles heel of course.
I hope all is sorted once and for all, and quickly - for the sake of all innocent civilians everywhere. :cool2:

PS: Bjorn, according to Sputnik the deadline to pull out is Tuesday!!
 
Laura said:
Session Date: February 27th 2016

(L) Can anybody think of anything else? Oh, what's gonna happen with this cease-fire that's supposed to be going on in Syria?

A: USA will encourage covert breaking and attempt to blame Russia.

Q: (Joe) They're really desperate.

(Pierre) That's why Kerry said he had a Plan B, and then the USA said the world is keeping a close eye on Russia.

A: Russia may have an even closer eye.

When I've listened to the news on the radio this afternoon that Putin had ordered the start of Russian military withdrawal from Syria , it just came to my mind this excerpt from the last session. What better way to avoid being implied in a breaking of the cease-fire if you are not there anymore? Maybe another hit for the C's?
 
PS: Bjorn, according to Sputnik the deadline to pull out is Tuesday!!

I saw it, The supposed withdrawal will begin on Tuesday. But I am speaking about a final deadline. Where all of the supposed military equipment should been pull out. If it isn't mentioned, it might be a ploy meant to cause confusion. Its a huge part of war. The prospect of Turkey + SA invading is still real. War can be avoided by deception. Better to make your enemies believe that no confrontation is necessary instead of putting them in a situation where they just might. If Russia supposedly pulls out. ( Not really happening )They might abandon their plans and keep investing only in their proxies. Whatever happens. It surely will cause a lot of confusion.

OSIT.

[quote author= Miguel Ángel]When I've listened to the news on the radio this afternoon that Putin had ordered the start of Russian military withdrawal from Syria , it just came to my mind this excerpt from the last session. What better way to avoid being implied in a breaking of the cease-fire if you are not there anymore? Maybe another hit for the C's?[/quote]

That might just be it.
 
bjorn said:
Where all of the supposed military equipment should been pull out.
If it isn't mentioned, it might be a ploy meant to cause confusion.

The airbase stays.

And I think with sufficiently prudent air power. That's just common sense.

I've come to realize it's best to simply take Putin at his word. He chooses them carefully ... and mean exactly what he says. Often it isn't complicated. But it's truth he speaks -- and therein lies its power.

Aside from the physical damage inflicted on the evil ones, his impact on the consciousness of the world at large -- has been enormous. At the end of the day, this may ultimately be the greater achievement. As the mosaic takes into account this worldwide fluttering of butterfly wings.

FWIW.
 
I've come to realize it's best to simply take Putin at his word.

Withdrawal can mean anything at this point.

Whatever happens, Russia will stay committed :

https://southfront.org/russia-will-continue-the-war-to-win-over-terrorists/

Russian airstrikes will not cease until we truly win over terrorist groups: Daesh, Jabhat al-Nusra [banned in Russia] and such. I see no reason to stop these airstrikes,” the Russian Foreign Minister told reporters.
 
sToRmR1dR said:
BREAKING:

Putin orders start of Russian military withdrawal from Syria, says ‘objectives achieved’

https://www.rt.com/news/335554-putin-orders-syria-withdrawal/

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu to start the withdrawal of forces from Syria starting Tuesday.

“I consider the objectives that have been set for the Defense Ministry to be generally accomplished. That is why I order to start withdrawal of the main part of our military group from the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic starting from tomorrow,” Putin said on Monday during a meeting with Shoigu and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

WOW - I didn't see that coming!

And A Jay brought up a very interesting point - March 15 is a date historically considered as the Ides of March! There must be some significance (symbolism) for choosing that date for Russia to start pulling out of Syria? For one thing, Russian's "know" history. Is it some kind of "marker" - an assassination and fall of another Roman Empire - called America/U.S.?

Somethings up? Just yesterday, Lavrov reported to the Press - Russia has evidence Turkish troops are in Syria. And what about this report of 2 U.S. military bases under construction, one near completion in Syria, a few days ago? Is Russia pulling out of Syria so the U.S./Israel/U.K./Saudi can make their "move" - giving Syria "just cause" to once again call upon Putin/Russia to turn the invasion into a lump of dessert glass?

Two US Military Bases Under Construction in Syria?
https://syria360.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/two-us-military-bases-under-construction-in-syria/


The Ides of March is a day on the Roman calendar that corresponds to 15 March. It was marked by several religious observances and became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC. The death of Caesar made the Ides of March a turning point in Roman history, as one of the events that marked the transition from the historical period known as the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire.

Although March (Martius) was the third month of the Julian calendar, in the oldest Roman calendar it was the first month of the year. The holidays observed by the Romans from the first through the Ides often reflect their origin as new year celebrations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March
 
From what I have read, the naval and air bases stay. So what exactly are they withdrawing? Putin and team are masters of chess. This is meant to outsmart the Empire once again, In the upcoming days/weeks it should become more obvious how this will play out.
 
Syria Pullback: Putin Shocks the World Again
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/what-does-russian-syria-pullback-mean-and-entail/ri13356

Putin's announcement that he has ordered "the major part" of Russian forces in Syria home has come as a major surprise to most everyone which is exactly as was intended and exactly the way Putin conducts his politics, especially in recent years.

Recall the surprise military takeover of Crimea (spring 2014), import ban on EU food (summer 2014), the cancelation of South Stream (late 2014) and the beginning of Russia's Syria intervention (fall 2015). None of these were telegraphed in advance but instead ordered out of the blue so as to have the biggest impact as messages possible.

So what is the intended message of this latest move and who is its intended recipient? Germany Foreign Minister and Bloomberg News have so far commented that this Russian move puts added pressure on Assad. That is true but Russia's communications with Damascus are wide open. Putin doesn't need to amplify the gravity of his moves by conducting them in a way that keeps the media guessing to get a message across to Bashar Assad. (In fact Syria has explained it was briefed in advance of the move.)

More likely the Russian president is speaking to those Russians who feared, as well as those Western governments which predicted and looked forward to Russia becoming stuck in an Afghanistan-like quagmire. Moscow is showing them it's far too smart for that and signaling that it's Syria goals remain limited.

Thus the move is simultaneously a Vladimir Putin's tiny victory lap where he's saying: "look we've done so much already we could withdraw completely tomorrow and very credibly be able to declare victory", but it's also a signal that he has not been carried away by the spate of recent victories and that Russia's goals in Syria remain strictly limited and do not entail winning a total victory in the civil war for Assad.

Another question that arises is what does the withdrawal mean for the Syrian-Russian war effort? Which Russian forces are actually leaving for home?

Putin has elaborated the withdrawal will not affect Russia's naval facilities at Tartus and the Latakia airbase. Russia has maintained a repair dock in Syria's Tartus since 1971 so it was only to be expected it would not be part of a pullback of forces that only landed last year.





The much more relevant information is that Russia's air group in Syria will remain put. In fact in terms of impact it is really the 50 Russian aircraft in Latakia which form "the main part" of Russian forces in Syria as they've been the ones carrying out the greatest number of combat actions.

Also if the Russian air legion is staying behind there is no doubt that so is the rotation of Russian missile cruisers parked off the Syrian coast as well as the anti-air batteries on land. After a Russian Su-24 was shot down by Turkey in November there is no way Moscow would compromise its beefed up anti-air umbrella that defends them.

That would leavee the following options: Russian advisers helping Syrians familiarize themselves with deliveries of new Russian weapons such as T-90 tanks and TOS-1 missile launchers. The infantry battalion providing security for the Russian airbase in Latakia. And any previously unadvertised Russian special forces troops, perhaps observing and helping to direct Russian air strikes – as well as providing a search & rescue for any downed pilots.

All of these aspects of Russian involvement are an asset to the joint Syrian-Russian effort but none is such that it could not be taken over by Syrians. Instead of sending their own technical advisers to Syria Russia could train up Syrian advisers in Russia.

Syrians are already protecting their own air bases so they could protect the Russian one as well – particularly now that Al Nusra has now been pushed back and nearly cleared from Latakia.

Also the Russian air force can also work with Syrian observers which it is doubtlessly already doing. Moreover when the Russian Su-24 was downed in November it was actually Syrian rather than Russian special forces which carried out the ground rescue mission.

The only aspect of the Russian involvement in Syria that if downgraded could not be adequately replaced by increased joint efforts is the actual air and anti-air capability that Russia's strike group and air defense batteries provide. And it is exactly these that Russia may still be keeping put.

Thus it is possible that Russia withdrawing "the major part of its contingent" (whose majority are the common infantry securing the Latakia airbase) will not have a radical effect on the Syrian-Russian war effort at all.



Putin's Announcement Means Russian Combat Operations in Syria Are Over
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/newsflash-putin-orders-russian-withdrawal-syria/ri13355

The Kremlin has just published a shock announcement that Putin has ordered the withdrawal of most of the Russian strike force from Syria.

The withdrawal is apparently slated to begin on Tuesday 15th March 2016.

The reason Putin has given for the decision is that with the announcement of the truce and with the Syrian army reorganised and able to conduct offensive operations on its own, the presence of the Russian strike force is no longer needed.

It is clear that there will not be a total withdrawal. Khmeimim air base will not be entirely abandoned and the Russians will keep a presence in Syria sufficient to monitor the truce. However that will most be done using aerial drones.

It is also clear that the Russians stand ready to return to Syria if the need arises.

No-one predicted this announcement, which makes a total nonsense of Western claims that Russia has become bogged down in a quagmire in Syria. As for the claim that Putin is deliberately bombing Syrians in order to flood Europe with refugees so as to destabilise Merkel, that claim is now exposed as the utter absurdity that it is.

That will not however prevent Western commentators from finding some way to twist this announcement to suit their “Putin is Evil” narrative. We look forward to seeing over the next few days the Western media and Western governments engaging in more contortions of logic as they try to explain this announcement.

Meanwhile the latest information says that the newly reinvigorated Syrian army - strengthened by Russian arms supplies and training and reinforced with fresh troops from Iran - is pressing ahead with its offensives against Aleppo, Palmyra, Idlib and Raqqa.

The Russian intervention totally changed the dynamic of the war. As Putin proudly said in his announcement, it is rare for such a small force to make such a decisive difference in a conflict in such a short time.

Russian efforts will now - at least for the moment - focus more on diplomatic than military action, leaving such fighting as needs to be done to the Syrians.

First published by the official Russian news agency TASS

Russian President Vladimir Putin has issued an order to begin withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria starting from March 15.

"I think that the tasks set to the defense ministry are generally fulfilled. That is why I order to begin withdrawal of most of our military group from Syria starting from tomorrow," Putin said on Monday at a meeting with Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

In Putin's words, during their operation in Syria, Russian military have demonstrated professionalism and teamwork, having performed all the set tasks.

"Besides, our military, soldiers and officers demonstrated professionalism, teamwork and ability to organize combat work far away from their territory, having no common borders with the theater of war," he said.

Russian bases in Syria’s Tartus and Khmeimim are to continue operating in routine regime, the president went on to say.

"Our bases — the naval base in Tartus and the airbase at the Khmeimim airfield — will operate in a routine mode. They are to be safely protected from the land, from the sea and from air," he told the defense and foreign ministers.

Those Russian servicemen who will stay in Syria will be engaged in monitoring the ceasefire regime, Putin added.

The Russian president said he hopes the start of the withdrawal of Russian troops will become a good motivation for launching negotiations between political forces of that country and instructed the foreign minister to intensify Russia’s participation in organization of peace process in Syria.

"I hope today’s decision will be a good signal for all conflicting parties. I hope it will sizably increase trust of all participants in the process," the president said. "I ask the Russian Foreign Ministry to intensify Russia’s participation in organizing the peace process to solve the Syrian problem," he added.

According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin has discussed and coordinated the decision on the beginning of withdrawal of Russia's forces from Syria with Syrian counterpart Bashar Assad.

"Everything voiced at the meeting [of Putin, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu] was told our Syrian colleagues and coordinated with president [Bashar] Assad," Peskov said.
 
ISIS Leaving Several Areas Of Iraq, Heading Towards Syria
http://novorossia.today/107911-2/

March 14, 2016 - ISIS has withdrawn its fighters from several towns in Iraq Anbar Province, redeploying the bulk of their forces further West, toward the Syrian border. The town of Hit was the largest of those they left, along with nearby Kubaysa, and the desert town of Rufba.

Iraqi security spokesman Yahya Rasool said the Iraqi military’s goal is to have warplanes target the withdrawing ISIS forces to prevent them from taking up position elsewhere.

ISIS initially took over Hit in October of 2014, an area contested intermittently by both the Iraqi military and some local tribal factions, executing members of a pro-government tribal faction en masse shortly after seizing the town.

The abandonment of Rufha likely reflects fighting at the Syrian border crossing of Tanf, which is the primary supply route connecting Rufha, and the rest of southern highway 10, to ISIS territory.
 
[quote author=Angelburst29]the presence of the Russian strike force is no longer needed.[/quote]

I don’t get it at all. The C’s said that Russia has a closer eye than the Empire. Hopefully it will become obvious over time.


[quote author=Angelburst29]The Russian president said he hopes the start of the withdrawal of Russian troops will become a good motivation for launching negotiations between political forces of that country and instructed the foreign minister to intensify Russia’s participation in organization of peace process in Syria.[/quote]

I suppose Putin and team expect that the negotiations by withdrawing would bring peace closer in time than through war. If it works it’s brilliant.

But are the conflicting parties that trustworthy? Is it really? The Empire, SA, Turkey, ISIS etc will certainly celebrate this move. But if it is brings Syrian unity it will turn against them in a very confronting and more difficult way than before. I was expecting that the US coalition would start to bomb all parties whenenever the negotiations would turn against them and blame Russia. This can no longer happen.


- I am not expecting Russia to slow down any bombing campaigns against ISIS and the likes. Russia is the hope of the world. Don't let it burn out.
 
BREAKING:

First Group of Russian Jets Leaves Syria

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160315/1036297464/russian-jets-leave-syria.html

The first group of Russian military aircraft has departed from Syria’s Hmeimim Airbase and heading to home bases, the Russian Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

“The first group of Russian aircraft from the Hmeimim Airbase has departed for home bases in the Russian Federation. The group consists of the ‘leader,’ a Tu-154 [transport aircraft], and multirole Su-34 [Fullback] bombers,” the Defense Ministry said in a press release.

The Defense Ministry said that each group would be led by a transport plane, either a Tu-254 or Il-76, carrying personnel and equipment and would be followed by combat jets.
 
bjorn said:
But are the conflicting parties that trustworthy? Is it really? The Empire, SA, Turkey, ISIS etc will certainly celebrate this move.

It's important not to overlook the elephant in the room. The one near the apex.

My belief is that all the "conflicting parties" ultimately work for the same boss. While tactical details are left open, the strategy is set forth at the near apex level. Plus their time frame, is lengthy. And Putin does well, in matching their patience.

(Pierre) ... the USA said the world is keeping a close eye on Russia.
A: Russia may have an even closer eye.


And Russia's closer eye ... is trained on that bunch -- in my opinion.

Putin has redirected Syria's previously hopeless spiral. There's really no need to bomb every single truck, or evil doer. The law of diminishing returns apply. I like to say again, the favorable shift in world consciousness may ultimately be of even greater significance than what has happened on the ground.

But I could be wrong.

FWIW.
 
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