Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?

[SOTTREADER]

Ok, that's understandable. Something like this probably happens or can happen to many pro-Russian Westerners, aspecially after such events. Many such Westerners hold an unrealistically positive view about Russia or whatever Russia does, so such events can definitely throw people off balance. If so, an introduction of doubt is a good thing.

As it happens, there are no harsher critics of what Russia is doing than Russians themselves. In many cases they even overdo it. There is even a name for them: "vsepropalshiki". It's from the phrase "vse propalo" (all is lost). They are usually pro-Russian and consider themselves patriots. But they have a knee-jerk reaction to any Russian loss, real or perceived, doesn't matter on what scale or area. Now they have been activated again big time.

I am sharing all of this just to provide perspective, that if Russian bases were indeed lost and looted, we would hear about it on the Russian TG even before the bases would be actually lost. Or if Russian causulties were that high. But it doesn't mean that they would share a reliable information either. The problem with looking for any tiny failure means that often they buy into the Western propaganda and share it as proof of Russia's failure, just to maintain their "all is lost" view. Luckily there are many others who have a more measured approach.

All fair points, and well put.

I should clarify that I am pro-human westerner. I support the side that is "for humans" and not psychopaths or whatever hyperdimensional forces want to consume humans. I believe the stakes are higher than security interests of individual countries.

I understand Russia isn't perfect but I think Russia needs to be careful with how it is perceived by lesser allies. The incorrect perception could ultimately cost Russia and China very big if lesser countries perceive they can't rely on their protection if push comes to shove. The safe bet for such countries would be to ally with the US as at least then they won't be overrun by lunatics on the streets.

I haven't read much analysis about what the fall of Syria means for Iran but one would think Iran is now isolated in the middle east. Does a defeat to Iran constitute a strategic defeat for Russia? Maybe the answer to this question will determine how far Russia goes to protect Iran (if that day ever comes). To me, it feels like things are converging on Iran very fast.

 

[Renaissance]

Yeah, Syrian Girl is seeing it as a strategic withdrawal:



So maybe all is not lost yet.

I was wondering if this might be a noose for Israel. But even if so, there still seems to be great risk for the Syrian government and its people. We’ll see how support plays out. It just doesn’t make sense that Syrias allies would suddenly abandon their positions when they really have no reason to.

 

[lilies]

Syrian Girl cited a rumor than Syrian Army was ordered no to fight. Big red light. Russian bases seemingly have no place in Syria now, but all past sacrifices - Russia and Iran saving Syria in 2015 were now seemingly thrown to the trash. Where is the love for President Assad shown in numerous videos in past years? Another big red light: ISIS' lightning fast take-over of Syria without fight, without resistance, so this wasn't a fight for their country.

This all went way too fast. Like a theater stage with aides rushing to quickly replace the stage flats. We have to wait for the clearer picture to emerge.
- But..but.. don't we have to fight for our country?
- What are you talking about??! We have been ORDERED to quickly replace this theater stage and even forcefully push-pull ISIS IN so we can raise the curtains and announce a new Syrian situation for the audience!! You still ain't getting it? Shut up and go away! We have things to do!

Also consider if:
1. Syria remains 'stable' as was a month ago
2. Trump achieves MAGA in US
3. Putin wins Ukraine stabilizing the country.
4. BRICS is flourishing

Where exactly in this case - 1..4 - is PLACE for the super dark future manifesting that the C's predicted and St. Pierre saw?

Further it will be breath-taking if the C's replied:
Q: What the heck did happen in Syria?
A: We cannot tell you at this point in order to keep safe all present.

 

[Lilou]

On the ground in Jordan, people are celebrating the fall of Assad. Syrian refugees are heading back to their homes from both Jordan and Turkey.

Thousands of people imprisoned in Syria have been released from jail - including women and children they bore because of rape.

I haven’t looked into this, but apparently videos abound on social media. Interviews with political prisoners that were released. Word is that Bashar Assad’s brother was running the captagon drug trade and printing money. A big propaganda narrative to make people happy that Assad is gone? He was well hated amongst a lot of middle easterners. Thought of as a tyrant.

Whatever the case, I’m sure there were back door deals and we may never know what really happened. As for the general mood on the ground, people are glad Assad is gone.

 

[iamthatis]

I understand Russia isn't perfect but I think Russia needs to be careful with how it is perceived by lesser allies. The incorrect perception could ultimately cost Russia and China very big if lesser countries perceive they can't rely on their protection if push comes to shove. The safe bet for such countries would be to ally with the US as at least then they won't be overrun by lunatics on the streets.

I don't get what you're saying. If smaller countries can't protect themselves from the US Empire - or if China and Russia can't protect them - then these smaller countries should subject themselves knowingly to the US Empire?

So in the name of keeping lunatics off the streets, that would mean more psychopaths in positions of power - which means the increase in suffering for the population. And you get certain lunatics in the streets anyways - criminals, drug addicts, weaponized migrants, or plain old terrorists. The EU is the longest-standing example of this, I think, and the situation there has ramped up since the SMO started.

American Empire/NATO (and Israel, of course) is in decline, and it looks to me that it's doing what it's always done - presenting the whole world with a mafioso extortion situation. 'There will be lunatics in the streets if you don't accept our offer.' Then they put lunatics in the streets, and charge a price to the target country for 'protection'. The price is to put Empire-friendly psychopaths in position of power.

For those that resist the protection racket, they get hit with 'reality-creating productions' AKA colour revolution regime change operations staffed by the complex of Western NGOs, intel agencies, and terror teams, all in service of the main beneficiaries - corporate pillagers. I don't think accepting all that is the only option.

There are other options, such as the African sovereigntists in the Sahel region recently. I'd guess that the parameters of success are that the leadership has to be smart, not cave to Western pressure or buy into Western lies at the negotiating table, crush artificially-generated domestic flare-ups effectively, develop the local economy, not rely too much on someone else's military power. Security agreements with stronger military powers doesn't hurt as well. Basically, all the other factors that contribute to a strong state. It's a tall order when you have well-funded Empire psychos working like mad to prevent it.

 

[Ben]

Third recommendation for the latest New Atlas, excellent analysis by Brian Berletic. Russia has limited resources, it couldn't fix this insidious problem years in the making. The deal they made over Syria was hard won but ultimately just bought time, they couldn't counter the Empire's lies and control over the information space. That is where the Empire still reigns supreme, its best chance to maintain hegemony (along with the dollar). China, Russia and Iran will have to learn to deal with this influence over the vulnerable countries which they are aligned with.

Israel is already making moves, it's a fast developing situation compared to the slow grind of Ukraine. We could be entering an even more eventful period of our timeline.

It's very sad, I just hope that Assad and family are safe and will turn up somewhere soon.

 

[youlik]

It's very sad, I just hope that Assad and family are safe and will turn up somewhere soon.

The situation is developing very quickly. I've never considered myself the "vsepropalcshik" that Keit write about, but the bad news comes one way or another.

Reuters: Assad could have died in a plane crash
The agency pointed to a strange trajectory of the aircraft, which, according to the Flightradar monitoring site, "unexpectedly made a 180-degree turn and disappeared from the map"
MOSCOW, December 8. /tass/. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could have died in a plane crash. This statement was made by the Reuters news agency, citing sources.

He left Damascus by plane. According to the agency's sources, there is "a very high probability that Assad could have died in his crash." They pointed out the strange trajectory of the aircraft, which, according to the Flightradar monitoring site, "suddenly made a 180-degree turn and disappeared from the map."

"The plane disappeared from radar, the transponder may have been turned off, but I think the probability is higher that the ship was shot down," said one of the agency's sources in Syria, declining further comment.

On November 27, the formations of the Jabhat al-Nusra group (banned in the Russian Federation and recognized as a terrorist organization) and its allies launched a large-scale offensive against the positions of the Syrian government forces. By the evening of December 7, Assad's opponents had captured the cities of Aleppo, Hama, Deir ez-Zor, Deraa and Homs. On Sunday morning, Syrian militants entered Damascus, after which Syrian army units left the city. The Prime Minister of the republic, Mohammed Ghazi Al-Jalali, said that he had spoken with Assad for the last time on the evening of December 7 and notified him of the situation.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/22609395?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fdzen.ru%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F779c5c11-472b-5d32-98e0-ca24d86eef33

The armed opposition in Syria has established communication channels with the Russian side

MOSCOW, Dec 8 - RIA Novosti. The Syrian armed opposition has established communication channels with the Russian side, according to a RIA Novosti source close to the opposition leadership.
"Currently, we have established communication channels with the Russian government," the source said.
Members of armed opposition groups near the Military Court building in Damascus, Syria - RIA Novosti, 1920, 08.12.2024
"This is just the beginning." What is happening in Syria
15:18
Representatives of the armed opposition in Syria, who seized the state television, previously appeared on the air claiming that they had established control over the country. Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi al-Jalali said that with several ministers remaining in Syria, they do not know where the president and the country's defense minister are. The prime minister also said that he had established contact with the leadership of the armed opposition.
The Russian Foreign Ministry reported that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, after negotiations with a number of participants in the Syrian conflict, decided to resign and left Syria, giving instructions to peacefully transfer power, while Russia did not participate in the negotiations.

https://ria.ru/20241208/siriya-1988029999.htmlutm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fdzen.ru%2Fnews%2Fstory%2Fddb9ff72-545f-5bfe-8158-18efbcd97551

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Ситуация развивается очень быстро.
Я никогда не считал себя "всепропальщиком", о которых писала Keit, но плохие новости так или иначе появляются.

 

[Ursus Minor]

A big propaganda narrative to make people happy that Assad is gone? He was well hated amongst a lot of middle easterners. Thought of as a tyrant.

Whatever the case, I’m sure there were back door deals and we may never know what really happened. As for the general mood on the ground, people are glad Assad is gone.

The idea Assad was a tyrant has long been peddled by the main stream media. I'm not sure the country will be better off now that the Jihadists are taking over. Syria is not a homogenous country. It is split between Sunnis and Alawites (not to mention the Druze). I'm not sure that the idea of a national state makes much sense in most areas of the Middle East where it is all about religion, tribes and influential families.

I am sure that the Alawites and Christians are not glad that Assad is gone as they will be at the short end of the stick henceforth.

 

[mkrnhr]

Not only is the Syrian nation finished, but as things stand now, it's over for Palestine and Lebanon. The next move will perhaps be Iraq because it's in the name "Tahrir el-Sham", which means it's not limited to Syria but to the region as a whole (el-Sham would correspond more or less to the fertile crescent including Syria and Iraq etc.). That way, the Palestinian and Lebanese resistance will quickly be isolated and starved, and Israel has just to march in to create the Greater Israel with NATO's unlimited money and arm supplies.

 

[Renaissance]

This is from Vanessa Beeley on Telegram

Made it out of Syria for the time being. Chaos rules, looting, thuggery and thieving. Gets the US Israel stamp of approval because this is what they believe in. Going through the border was a mash of gunfire, infighting and looting from every single shop and market. Terrorists on motorcycles, gunslingers and criminals. An incredibly sad experience. The house was surrounded by "rebels" drunk in "victory" from 5am, constant celebratory gunfire and around 10 they tried to beat the external door down to loot the contents of the house. Early morning Israel was destroying #Syria Air Defence with bunker buster bombs. The whole house shook. The CIA road map is always the same. The Resistance is broken and I doubt it can be repaired but the extremist mercenaries in the pay of Israel will tell you they "support Palestine". Go on then, you are on the border now.

 

[Cosmos]

On a purely speculative note (not being familiar with the situation in Syria before, during and after this latest coup) I think there might be a possibility that Assad and/or his family were transported to exile by Russia somewhere, possibly even into Russia. Depending on how deep and trustworthy the Russian/Syrian relationship was before the coup, we could speculate that what was done now probably didn’t come as much of a surprise.

 

[MK Scarlett]

I agree with @mkrnhr.
I just wrote something in the Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches thread, and maybe it has a place here as well. I was responding to @Ellipse who shared this:

The reliquary of Notre Dame, which disappeared in the burning, had been replaced by one related to the Kabbalah.

And then added this information about the new reliquary of Notre Dame de Paris:

It come from the Kabbalah. Here with all the names that represent the Kabbalah:

"New Reliquary of Notre Dame de Paris"

"Diagram 8. The world of Tsimtsum (Preface to the Wisdom of Kabbalah, point 14)":

So, here what I answered:

It seems that the reliquary of Notre Dame did not disappear in the burning, it is now in Louvre Museum: Un chef-d’œuvre d’orfèvrerie néo-gothique
So why not put it back there? To replace it with the new Kabbalah one? Why? For what purpose? It is very bizarre, at least to me.

But what I find suspicious the most is the almost synchronicity between the re-opening of Notre Dame on yesterday evening, and the "fall of Bashar al-assad" events in Syria -and could this be a sign? From whom? Why? For what purpose?
I only have one answer right now: Greater Israel...

The same Syria where St Paul began preaching Christianity. And now, Syria has already been cut into pieces, in the space of a few days, see the map inside this article published on SOTT: Damascus falls: Assad has reportedly left the capital

Syria: Red areas controlled by Syrian government; green areas are controlled by U.S. military; yellow is occupied by terrorists controlled by the U.S., where looting of Syrian oil and wheat take place

 

[Jacques]

I think there might be a possibility that Assad and/or his family were transported to exile by Russia somewhere, possibly even into Russia.

There are even reports saying that the airplane that he was on was destroyed. So some people are saying that Assad and his family are dead.

fwiw

Edited :Fortunately, this turned out to be false news.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow.

 

[N1mTzo]

TASS: Syrian opposition guarantees security of Russian military bases
Russian officials are in contact with opposition representatives, a Kremlin source noted
MOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. Leaders of the armed Syrian opposition have guaranteed the security of Russian military bases and diplomatic institutions in Syria, a Kremlin source told TASS. - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/22612661

PS. And this confirms that Putin and Erdogan have personal agreements on Syria.