Scandinavian observations and perspectives
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The Force is Strong With This One
Sorry, I had to downwote this, Stoltenberg makes me sick to my stomach.
Sheeba
Padawan Learner
Me too.
Coming across the Münchener Merkur newspaper, from Wednesday, October 11, they say that a data cable was also damages and add at the end:It will be interesting to see if the West launches an investigation into this.
Then people can ask: why was there not an investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines??
The idea reported in the Münchner Merkur, that Russia is behind, is not reasonable and very significantly, the German paper does not comment on, or refer to the Nord Stream sabotage in 2022 and all the scandal surrounding that event. The notice however, still appears on the front page, and should raise questions in the minds of thinking people.
Looking up the Norwegian NORSAR, there was:
UTC is like GMT, Finland is in + three due to summer time. In other words, from a British and US perspective it was still the birthday of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.Seismic signal detected in the vicinity of the Balticconnector gas pipeline
NORSAR has recorded seismic signals near the Balticconnector gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea. The signals indicate a possible explosion at around 01:20, local time in Finland, 8 October 2023.
Seismologists at NORSAR have analyzed data from the Finnish seismic network, including a group of sensors called the FINES seismic array. Data shows a clear event at 01:20, Finnish time, which corresponds with the approximate time that the media reports a drop in pressure in the pipeline. We are unable to determine if the event was caused by a suden release of gas under high pressure, due to rupturing of the pipeiline, or from the detonation of an explosive.
The Figure below shows clear seismic beam signals at the FINES array in southern Finland. The calculated beam points to a signal origin SW of the array.
NORSAR continues:
The text was written by:The event has been located approximately 40 km north of Paldiski, Estonia close to where the Baltic Connector pipeline crosses the Nord Stream 1 pipeline. The magnitude of the event has been estimated at 1.0 on the Richter scale, which is much lower than the Nord Stream explosion detected in September 2022.
Common questions
Why was the event not found earlier?
The event was relatively small – it has a magnitude of approximately 1. We were able to find it by first looking at the FINES seismic array (part of the International Monitoring System for the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty). NORSAR have expertise in seismic array processing, which can be used for identifying weak signals. We have discussed our findings with other seismological institutes from the Nordics where there is broad agreement with the findings.
What does the waveform show?
The figure shows the P-wave and S-wave signals recorded at a seismic array (called ‘FINES’) in Finland. The P-wave and S-wave are different types of seismic waves, which travel at different speeds. The P-wave is the first to arrive and the S-wave is the second to arrive. We can use these different waves to estimate a location, origin time and size of the event. Using a seismic array such as FINES, which is a group of multiple sensors placed in a certain configuration, we can enhance signals from different locations for improved detection. The two 'beams' therefore show the enhanced P-wave and S-wave signals for our estimated location.
Was it definitely an explosion?
There was a sudden energy release that caused an explosive signal. We cannot be sure of the exact cause – for example, sudden rupturing of the pipeline, or detonation of an explosive charge.
How large was the event?
The seismic event had a magnitude of approximately 1 on the Richter scale. We are still estimating what this means in terms of an explosive yield but we are confident that it is equivalent to less than 100 kg TNT. The sudden release of pressure on the pipeline contributes to this size estimate and there are many unknowns in this estimation.
What I found interesting was the nearness to the Nord Stream 1 pipeline. Finland is being initiated into NATO and taught how to say that Russia did it without bothering about time for closer investigation. It also happens less than 24 hours after the Hamas action in Israel, so more general chaos.
There's been a border tensions going on between Finland and Russia since last October, and Finland has accused Russia of "hybrid operation" by "weaponizing" migrants in order to create a "crisis" in the border:
One can notice the disconnection as Finland is purposely making a mountain out of molehill. The reason why there's been handful of extra migrants arriving daily is because Russia ended the cross-border agreement as a response to Finland's previous provocations, such as ending trade cooperation and discriminating Russian visa applications. Now Russia has stopped their policy to stop migrants who don't have Schengen visa from crossing the border.
So Finland is now trying to propagandize and make this look like some "hybrid operation" in order to avoid admitting that we're purposely escalating things, and that no one in the political system wants to end this process. For them it's useful to have these "exciting" things going on with Russia in order to hysterize the public and keep their attention elsewhere. And likely this all is being encouraged/directed by their new Nato overlords.
But still the whole thing looks like a joke. There's literally dozen of migrants crossing the border with bicycles and Finnish media and politicians are frantically going defcon 5 like it's gravest situation our nation has ever faced!
At the EU parliament Finnish meps we're discussing these events to empty audience few days ago, as it must have looked too nothingburger for others to even participate, I think. At some places in Europe, such as Lambedusa island in Italy, there's been arriving thousands of migrants a single day, and compare that to the "hybrid operation" at the Finnish border.
The headline of Finnish MSM newspaper said: "EU parliament emptied as Finnish MP's started to talk about the eastern border - and this a good thing". See how delusional our media is, they try to turn this into a positive thing, by claiming that because no one was interested to hear Finnish MP's, it must mean that Putin's evil plan to sow discord is failing!
Finnish politicians rather shout "hybrid operation", than admit to the public that we're on a path of escalation by our own choice, which may not end well for Finland. Even though this particular case looks currently ridiculous the response of closing the border is serious in itself, and there's been active escalations done to make previous relationship with Russia impossible.
Besides the sanctions, sending weapons to Ukraine, bullying Russian citizens, ending economic ties and joining Nato, Finland expelled nine Russian diplomats last summer, which led to the closure of Finland's main consulate in St.Petersburg.
Deterioration of diplomatic channels is not a good sign, and there seems to be other similar plans on table, such as closing the Russian consulate in Åland, (ending demilitarization itself in there is legally extremely difficult with several historical agreements in place) as this seems to be a step they would like to achieve. Although some Finnish foreign ministry officials are hesitating about this, there is presidental elections coming next year, and we can hear from several candidate's words how this would be a desirable goal, and the media has also been pushing this angle for a while now.
This is, of course, an extremely hyperbolic reaction to a situation, where there's been about total of 700 migrants crossing the eastern border during November. With this pace it would be about 8500 migrants a year. Last year 45 000 Ukrainian refugees came to Finland, and no one saw a problem there.
One can notice the disconnection as Finland is purposely making a mountain out of molehill. The reason why there's been handful of extra migrants arriving daily is because Russia ended the cross-border agreement as a response to Finland's previous provocations, such as ending trade cooperation and discriminating Russian visa applications. Now Russia has stopped their policy to stop migrants who don't have Schengen visa from crossing the border.
So Finland is now trying to propagandize and make this look like some "hybrid operation" in order to avoid admitting that we're purposely escalating things, and that no one in the political system wants to end this process. For them it's useful to have these "exciting" things going on with Russia in order to hysterize the public and keep their attention elsewhere. And likely this all is being encouraged/directed by their new Nato overlords.
But still the whole thing looks like a joke. There's literally dozen of migrants crossing the border with bicycles and Finnish media and politicians are frantically going defcon 5 like it's gravest situation our nation has ever faced!
At the EU parliament Finnish meps we're discussing these events to empty audience few days ago, as it must have looked too nothingburger for others to even participate, I think. At some places in Europe, such as Lambedusa island in Italy, there's been arriving thousands of migrants a single day, and compare that to the "hybrid operation" at the Finnish border.
The headline of Finnish MSM newspaper said: "EU parliament emptied as Finnish MP's started to talk about the eastern border - and this a good thing". See how delusional our media is, they try to turn this into a positive thing, by claiming that because no one was interested to hear Finnish MP's, it must mean that Putin's evil plan to sow discord is failing!
Finnish politicians rather shout "hybrid operation", than admit to the public that we're on a path of escalation by our own choice, which may not end well for Finland. Even though this particular case looks currently ridiculous the response of closing the border is serious in itself, and there's been active escalations done to make previous relationship with Russia impossible.
Besides the sanctions, sending weapons to Ukraine, bullying Russian citizens, ending economic ties and joining Nato, Finland expelled nine Russian diplomats last summer, which led to the closure of Finland's main consulate in St.Petersburg.
Deterioration of diplomatic channels is not a good sign, and there seems to be other similar plans on table, such as closing the Russian consulate in Åland, (ending demilitarization itself in there is legally extremely difficult with several historical agreements in place) as this seems to be a step they would like to achieve. Although some Finnish foreign ministry officials are hesitating about this, there is presidental elections coming next year, and we can hear from several candidate's words how this would be a desirable goal, and the media has also been pushing this angle for a while now.
XPan
The Living Force
SwedenHigh treason / coup d'état ?
When i heard the (alternative) news the other day, it was as if my breakfast got stuck in my throat.
So, the Swedish foreign minister Pål Jonsson travels to the US a couple days ago, signing a treaty/agreement with the US foreign minister -
that the US military can access 17 military bases in the Kingdom of Sweden unrestricted.The US can store weapons unrestricted on Swedish soil. Even atomic weapons - which is forbidden. Though right now, the “US has no need to store nuclear weapons on Swedish soil”. [Yeah. Words. Not even worth a penny]US military staff located in Sweden is ruled by American military law, not Swedish.- All this without the Swedish Parliament doscussion / agreement /vote (so far)
- no laws have been changed (yet) as the current ones do NOT allow this what so ever
- without prior information to the Swedish citizens about that a FOREIGN power will have free unrestricted access to all Swedish military facilities (and secrets).
- And we are NOT in NATO yet, either
I consider this to be High Treason !
The worst act possible against a sovereign (and officially still neutral) nation (for 200+ years). It literally went unnoticed for most people here in Sweden.
Just like that ?!?
Simply unthinkable that a foreign power gets all of the sudden, unrestricted access to all military installations here in Sweden plus that US laws are applied instead of Swedish laws. In practice, this means all US staff enjoys a kind of immunity when they misbehave in private.
Apparently our current foreign minister Pål Jonsson has very deep ties to the US, for a long time. Another traitor groomed and infiltrated. Like so many others we have seen in the past in other countries.
Yeah, I saw the news today. Although expected, it is still astonishing how far things have progressed in a short time, and how Finland and Sweden are so eagerly showing their servitude and compliance to their "new" overlords, without any thought or instict of self preservation. Finland is going to sign their defence cooperation agreement in 18th of December, and according to Minister of Defence Häkkänen, it'll be mostly identical in terms, so likely allowing US military laws to be similarly applied in here, unrestricted store of weapons, and creation of several military bases etc.
It is similar direction in Denmark, at least as far as US laws to be applied.
Sputnik has
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HELSINKI (Sputnik) - Finland will give the United States access to 15 of its military bases under a defense cooperation pact, Finnish Defense Minister Antti Hakkanen announced Thursday.
Next week, the US and Finland are expected to sign the Defence Cooperation Agreement in Washington. Finnish daily Helsingin Sanomat reported that the bases would host US ground forces, navy and air force personnel.
The Finnish cabinet clarified that the agreement will be signed on December 18. Afterward, it would have to be approved by the parliament.
"The United States is committed to protecting us during hard times. This is an extremely important message now," Hakkanen said during a televised news conference.
The agreement will provide the US with the access to and use of "the agreed facilities and areas; prepositioning of defence equipment, supplies and materiel in the territory of Finland; entry and movement of US aircraft, vessels and vehicles; ensuring the protection, safety, and security of US forces and the facilities and areas they use; criminal jurisdiction; and diverse practical matters related to the activities of US forces in the territory of Finland," the cabinet said in a statement.
The US has also signed similar deals with Norway (full NATO member) and Sweden (potential future NATO member), providing the country with access to four and 17 new bases in the Nordic region, respectively.
On April 4, 2023, Finland officially joined NATO, thus bringing to an end the nation's decades of non-alignment policy. With the country's accession to the alliance, the bloc's border has gained nearly 1,300 kilometers along the Russian-Finnish border.
Russian officials have expressed major concern regarding unprecedented NATO activity on the country's western border under the pretext of "deterrence." Moscow has repeatedly raised concerns about the alliance's military buildup in Europe. The Kremlin has emphasized that Russia "poses no threat to anyone, but will not ignore actions potentially harmful to its interests."
Finland, along with Sweden, submitted their membership applications in mere months after Russia launched its special military operation in Ukraine. Sweden's application is still pending ratification by Hungary and Turkiye.
And before getting to the USD, make everything dirt cheap for US capital investment:
Below are more details and headlines from today and yesterday:
And from Jyllands-Posten
But from Arbejderen.dk there is an article that explains not all agree:
It was not green youth that argued:
Next, there are more notes from the news coverage of the event that announced the agreement. There will be some repetition, but considering the importance of the day, I think it is okay.
LIVE: American soldiers can be stationed in Denmark with a new agreement
The USA is in full swing entering into defense cooperation with the Nordic countries.
TODAY AT 13:57
LIVE: Amerikanske soldater kan udstationeres i Danmark med ny aftale
USA er i fuld gang med at indgå forsvarssamarbejder med de nordiske lande.www.dr.dk
Overview: This means the agreement with the United States
The USA can station American soldiers and store material on Danish soil.
Concretely, the soldiers can be stationed at three Danish air stations: Skrydstrup, Karup and Aalborg.
The government cannot answer how many American soldiers are expected in Denmark. But they will be evident in the streets, and you will meet them in Brugsen supermarket, says the Prime Minister.
The agreement is scheduled to enter into force in one year's time.
It is irrevocable for ten years. So even if Denmark wants to get rid of the American soldiers in five years, it cannot be done.
The USA will not be able to place cluster bombs or nuclear weapons in Denmark.
Greenland and the Faroe Islands are not covered by the agreement.
If an American soldier commits a crime in Denmark, it will be the American authorities who must prosecute him - not the Danish ones.
A voice of protest, just one:
To counter the protest from the left and green party, Enhedslisten. If you asked the Danes who they prefer to be occupied by, the US or Russia, 94 % would, at a guess, say the US. Well, now they have their wish fulfilled, though it will take time before the agreement is ironed out with changes to current Danish/EU legislation.
The liberal left party, De Radikale, are slightly worried, but not really:
But how will they control that none of those weapons will be stored, well it is also his main concern:
He is right about Russia, but also naive, or speaking against his better judgement when he says: "we are in the middle of nowhere", considering that the narrow Danish Straits are used for war ships of both countries. How is that in the middle of nowhere?!? On the other hand, if the deal has to be sold to the public, which it will come hell fire or high water, his statement is wise. Symbolically, however,
Iceland, which was part of Denmark until 1944, witnessed a significant vulcanic eruption last night and this morning.
So much for hell fire, and there is an unusual and fresh warning out for high water in the seas around Denmark as a result of a storm. In short nothing to worry about. It is just like in a movie, as the guy from Island states regarding the eruption.
And who created "the very tense situation in our immediate area"? The US will give you the "correct answer", no doubt.
There is a precedence in Denmark when it comes to US to say no officially, and allow it unofficially. If it comes out, it will be said that it was in just a transit to Poland or similar.
In another article published yesterday, there was:
The above agreements prepares the US to protect its interests in Europe, in case of a collapse of NATO. If NATO is broken, it will allow for Ukraine style proxy engagements, without committing to article 5 and involve a greater area than the US can afford. Moreover, if Russia/Ukraine is no longer an issue, it will allow for conflict in Western Europe itself.Finland allows American soldiers to come very close to the border with Russia
The new agreement gives the US military unhindered access to a number of military areas and buildings in countries close to Russia.
By
Rasmus Christiansen
YESTERDAY AT 09:23
Several countries close to Russia, both before and after the invasion of Ukraine, have given the green light for American soldiers to be stationed in their countries. And today a new country joins the list.
Because today an agreement on greater defense cooperation between the USA and Finland is being officially signed.
This allows American forces to get very close to the border with Russia.
Today, the agreement will be formally signed, after which it must be officially approved by the legislatures of the two countries.
- The agreement makes cooperation and operations easier and faster to organize in peacetime. It will also be vital in times of crisis, Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said last week when the agreement was announced.
Included in the agreement is a list of 15 facilities and areas to which the US military will have unfettered access and which it can use to store military equipment and ammunition.
These include four air stations, a military port, and access via rail to northern Finland, where the US military can use an area for storage.
An area that is a few hours' drive from the border with Russia, writes the Reuters news agency.
Agreement also concluded with Sweden
Finland, which became a NATO member earlier this year, is far from the only country to have entered into such an agreement with the United States.
On December 6, Sweden entered into a similar agreement.
The agreement gives US forces access to 17 areas and facilities, including four air stations, a port and five military bases.
Unlike Finland, however, Sweden is still waiting for them to be approved as a NATO member.
In addition, the United States has made similar agreements with Norway, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Estonia.
The Danish government is also in the process of negotiating a similar cooperation with the USA.
Will not store nuclear weapons
The American presence in Finland can be made permanent, but there are currently no plans for that, the Finnish government says.
The agreement states that Finland will not allow nuclear weapons, biological weapons or anti-personnel mines - a type of mine designed to kill or maim people - to be stored or transported on Finnish territory.
According to Reuters, Finland is also in the process of improving its railway infrastructure around the border with Sweden, which should make it easier for the countries' allies to send forces and equipment to cities that are close to the border with Russia.
The Russian government has repeatedly criticized Finland's NATO membership and warned that it risks escalating the conflict further.
President Putin echoed that criticism in an interview with Russian state television that aired Sunday.
- The West has taken Finland and drawn them into Nato. Why? We solved all the problems we had with Finland a long time ago. There were no problems, but there will be now, Putin said.
The new agreements with Sweden, Finland and Denmark mark a development, but then, at least in the case of Denmark, the government has been more than willing to take initiatives on Ukraine in the direction of more war and less peace, with rather few people protesting both the military aid and the massive funding, all made at the expense of the local citizens. It can be concluded that all is as it should be in a country Shakespeare's play Hamlet brought to notice, even if it is hard to rejoice when people accept manipulation and lies.
It is worth noting that Kaliningrad is now practically encircled, while the access to the Russian city of Saint Petersburg, is in a dormant siege from the side of the Baltic sea, that can be activated any time. This was also signaled by the bombing of the Nord Stream pipeline that followed the first wargames with US military presence on the Island of Bornholm in 2022, thus breaking an agreement made with the Soviet Union, about not having US soldiers on that island. The US and Denmark broke the spirit of the agreement, but held onto the claim they did not break its letter, since the Soviet Union no longer exists. I guess that is how snakes perpetuate what they call peace.
Well, when I think about this, isn't it very convinient now, if a "swan flue" or "camel hump syphilis" comes to anywhere in Scandinavia with bird migration, WHOever cares about us, has troops here to give medicine or arrange shelters where needed.... And they take orders from and are responsible to no-one, expect to the evil genious at the top of the pyramid.
Arrgh, how much more human masses need before they start seeing these lies? And what must happen before 4th dimension borns? I think suffering to some extent does put us thinking, but extreme suffering and violence only give birth for new wars. Or is that what they want, total destruction?
Well, at least here's one thing again to talk to people and try to get them understand that we are (almost) all Humans, who have same rights to live here. Back to 60's, make Love not war.
Arrgh, how much more human masses need before they start seeing these lies? And what must happen before 4th dimension borns? I think suffering to some extent does put us thinking, but extreme suffering and violence only give birth for new wars. Or is that what they want, total destruction?
Well, at least here's one thing again to talk to people and try to get them understand that we are (almost) all Humans, who have same rights to live here. Back to 60's, make Love not war.
Thanks for sharing all those details, @thorbiorn, @Seppo Ilmarinen and @XPan. Geez, Scandinavia was already a US pawn, but they are getting into it even deeper now, disregarding their own interestests. Russia may not take this well at all, indeed, and it's sad, because being so close, THEY should be partners. But nope, "they" can't allow that.
It's "funny" how the EU doesn't really matter here. You'd think they would need to consult with the other members if they are basically welcoming foreign armies into their countries, but since it's the US, they can forgo that "detail"?
I reckon it doesn't bode well for neither Scandinavia, nor Europe in general. It could just be fake scare tactics, though. We'll see.
It's "funny" how the EU doesn't really matter here. You'd think they would need to consult with the other members if they are basically welcoming foreign armies into their countries, but since it's the US, they can forgo that "detail"?
I reckon it doesn't bode well for neither Scandinavia, nor Europe in general. It could just be fake scare tactics, though. We'll see.
'A creation of fear for justifying deployment of nuclear weapons on Swedish territory.'
www.rt.com
9 Jan, 2024
Swedes told to ‘prepare for war’
Swedish ministers warn that the country should be prepared for a potential war amid continuing tensions with Russia
XPan
The Living Force
Sweden accepts nuclear weapons
Well, Sweden already signed an agreement (or was it a declaration ?!) several years ago, in which they stated to accept nuclear weapons can be stored on Swedish soil. No other Scandinavian country accepts that (officially) on their territories - except the stupid Swedes, do. (I wonder if the average Sweden even is aware of this total change in attitude revolving nuclear weapons getting stationed in Sweden).
There was however, no discussion about it.
Neither about the latest, perhaps most serious change in Swedish History - the special agreement with the US Military, which must be seen as a silent coup d'état. No Flick is even taking about that - nor has this signed agreement been voted upon in favor in the Swedish Parliament (yet). It is truly an absurdity, which in my eyes simply underlines how much our "democracy" already has seen its last breathe.
Now, since the Swedish Minister for Defence, Pål Jonson (with deep Transatlantic ties) went to the US, signing a special agreement with the US military, which in hindsight reveals that it is the biggest significant decision made in Swedish history for the past 200 years.
He practically gives Sweden to the US military to their disposal - for what ever reason the US sees fit. They can do whatever they want militarily, whenever they want and with no insight into their motives and true military activities. Plus they are getting paid for everything with Swedish Taxpayers money. Staff doesn't need to pay tax, no need for passports, and there are no consequences that can touch them via Swedish laws. Nor do they need to account for their motives toward the Swedish Police, what US military individuals were doing.
It is an absurdly bad deal
in which the Kingdom of Sweden has absolutely no benefits from it. Since this is NOT a bilateral agreement - it does NOT guarantee that the US will protect Sweden in case of an attack. It also has nothing to do with NATO. It is a special single-sided agreement, to use Sweden as a transport matt for warfare - solely based on the US military's thinking, strategies and wishes. Without any true influence the Swedish Gov or Swedish Military can do. Nothing in this agreement has to do about what is or would be good for Sweden.
Plus that Sweden, even in this agreement, is not rejecting the storage of nuclear weapons on Swedish soil.
Denmark, Finland and Norway also have their special deals directly with the US Military, but with the difference that each country put in certain requirements and the (official) rejection of nuclear weapons.
(My guts tell me - I do not for a second believe that the US will not store nuclear weapons in Finland and Norway. When you have no true insight or power into the US Military activities, then you can't tell about possible storage of nuclear weapons either. And even if the involved Gov's would know... the US simply tell's them off. "No information" / "No comments". I believe that is much closer to reality)
Sweden: "People and defense 2024"
Apparently there was a conference under the label "People and defense 2024", in which the King of Sweden Carl-Gustav, Crown Princess Victoria and her husband Prince Daniel etc all were present. (Prince Daniel, who by the way, attend to WEF's Davos last year, if i got that right)
Possible war in Sweden. Clap-Clap-Clap.
Now guess who also was present (on air) at the same occasion ?
Zelensky.
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Well, Sweden already signed an agreement (or was it a declaration ?!) several years ago, in which they stated to accept nuclear weapons can be stored on Swedish soil. No other Scandinavian country accepts that (officially) on their territories - except the stupid Swedes, do. (I wonder if the average Sweden even is aware of this total change in attitude revolving nuclear weapons getting stationed in Sweden).
There was however, no discussion about it.
Neither about the latest, perhaps most serious change in Swedish History - the special agreement with the US Military, which must be seen as a silent coup d'état. No Flick is even taking about that - nor has this signed agreement been voted upon in favor in the Swedish Parliament (yet). It is truly an absurdity, which in my eyes simply underlines how much our "democracy" already has seen its last breathe.
Now, since the Swedish Minister for Defence, Pål Jonson (with deep Transatlantic ties) went to the US, signing a special agreement with the US military, which in hindsight reveals that it is the biggest significant decision made in Swedish history for the past 200 years.
He practically gives Sweden to the US military to their disposal - for what ever reason the US sees fit. They can do whatever they want militarily, whenever they want and with no insight into their motives and true military activities. Plus they are getting paid for everything with Swedish Taxpayers money. Staff doesn't need to pay tax, no need for passports, and there are no consequences that can touch them via Swedish laws. Nor do they need to account for their motives toward the Swedish Police, what US military individuals were doing.
It is an absurdly bad deal
in which the Kingdom of Sweden has absolutely no benefits from it. Since this is NOT a bilateral agreement - it does NOT guarantee that the US will protect Sweden in case of an attack. It also has nothing to do with NATO. It is a special single-sided agreement, to use Sweden as a transport matt for warfare - solely based on the US military's thinking, strategies and wishes. Without any true influence the Swedish Gov or Swedish Military can do. Nothing in this agreement has to do about what is or would be good for Sweden.
Plus that Sweden, even in this agreement, is not rejecting the storage of nuclear weapons on Swedish soil.
Denmark, Finland and Norway also have their special deals directly with the US Military, but with the difference that each country put in certain requirements and the (official) rejection of nuclear weapons.
(My guts tell me - I do not for a second believe that the US will not store nuclear weapons in Finland and Norway. When you have no true insight or power into the US Military activities, then you can't tell about possible storage of nuclear weapons either. And even if the involved Gov's would know... the US simply tell's them off. "No information" / "No comments". I believe that is much closer to reality)
Sweden: "People and defense 2024"
Apparently there was a conference under the label "People and defense 2024", in which the King of Sweden Carl-Gustav, Crown Princess Victoria and her husband Prince Daniel etc all were present. (Prince Daniel, who by the way, attend to WEF's Davos last year, if i got that right)
Possible war in Sweden. Clap-Clap-Clap.
Now guess who also was present (on air) at the same occasion ?
Zelensky.
Regeringen varnar för framtida krig i Sverige
Det var under sitt tal vid Folk och Försvar 2024 som Carl-Oskar Bohlin, minister för civilt försvar, dundrade på om att
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Makthavarnas krigshets är patetisk: "Gallimatias"
Det är i Swebbtvs senaste Omvärldsanalys som den tidigare SVT-journalisten, som under många år jobbat med just utrikesfrågor, kommenterar den svenska regeringens plötsliga krigshysteri.
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Makteliten hetsar upp svenska folket för krig
Efter att makteliten tvingat in svenskarna i Nato och ett vilseledande “försvarsavtal” med USA, som egentligen bara gynnar USA:s krigsmakt och globalistmaffian, ska nu
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f.d. ambassadör Sven Hirdman: USA får rätt att kriga i Sverige - Varför diskuteras inte detta? - Omvärldsanalys 75
I denna Omvärldsanalys får vi återigen möta f.d. ambassadör Sven Hirdman som tidigare medverkat i program på Swebbtv. I detta program får vi höra hans tankar kring kriget samt möjligheten till fred i Ukraina, militäravtalet mellan Sverige och USA samt om situationen i Gaza och hur landgränserna...
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XPan
The Living Force
I forgot to add another little detail, after i listened to today's SwebbTV's discussion.
That war mongering, 'Swedish' conference "People and Defense 2024"... was sponsored by BILL & MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION.
How far can irony go, before it becomes ridiculous ?
That war mongering, 'Swedish' conference "People and Defense 2024"... was sponsored by BILL & MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION.
How far can irony go, before it becomes ridiculous ?
