Scotland to vote on independence from UK

[Renaissance]

Today is the day that Scotland goes to the polls to cast their votes either Aye or Nay for independence from the UK. 4.2 million Scots have registered to vote, making it the largest electorate ever in Scotland. The media coverage of the "Yes campaign" has of course been abysmal. Even so, there looks to be quite a bit of support in Scotland and I do hope it goes in their favor.

This issue was discussed recently in this past sunday's first Connecting the Dots format on Sott talk Radio.

One of the surprising voices in the "No campaign" has been George Galloway. Niall wrote a good article on his blog about it:

Just say aye! George Galloway loses the plot over Scottish independence

There was also a Sott Focus piece yesterday:

People of Scotland! You are being Lied to! Vote "YES!" - you won't regret it!

And here's a few other news stories on the subject:

Scotland Yet: A film about independence

Scotland's chance to get free from the British monarchy

Scotland poised to secede from UK, despite London efforts to intimidate voters with currency scare

My best wishes and support goes out to Scotland today and their wishes to break free from the evil English empire!

 

[Paragon]

Thanks for posting this Renaissance.

I sincerely hope that my country will vote for Independence. From what I can tell on Facebook among my friends, and on other social forms of media, it seems that the 'AYE' vote is leading the pack.

It has been something of a strange one for me, as I am all too aware of the strong possibility that psychopaths will just use this as an opportunity get in power in a different form. However, one gets the feeling that the Scottish people are genuinely fed up and want real change. What excites me is the potential for this to weaken the US-UK-Israeli dominator grip on the world and for this to inspire other populations to want true power in their own hands, rather than letting their governments get away with murder. Maybe I am expecting too much though. I guess it remains to be seen! Butterfly wings and all that...

I have been quite emotionally invested in this admittedly. I have been trying to self observe and have let myself go along with the strong emotions generated sometimes. I think perhaps that I am projecting my own unrealistic hopes onto a cause that won't create any lasting change, that just because it's my own country, means that it will be different. Though I would like to say that my friends and others been talking so much about this vote that it's actually quite amazing to see so many people, young and old, care about something greater than themselves for a change. In Scotland, there has always been a general apathy regarding our nation and our future, so it's 'nice' to see passion in people.

I guess I'm not adding much but my own subjective views, but fwiw.

 

[Esoterica]

As one born in England I sincerely and genuinely hope the Scots choose to go it alone, despite all the negativity and scare tactics from the PTB.

I do however wonder what will be gained in the long run as the only option seems be for an independent Scotland to join the EU with all that entails, seems to me that they are just changing one master for another!

If the Scots go hopefully it won't be long before the Catalans and the Basques throw off their oppressive overlords as well!

 

[Minas Tirith]

I find it a little bit confusing after reading this:

Scotland would remain part of a United Kingdom even if it became independent, Alex Salmond declared yesterday.

The SNP leader said the Queen would still be head of state of a politically independent Scotland, meaning it would stay in ‘monarchical union’ with England.

Mr Salmond used the argument to claim it would be confusing if a referendum question asked whether Scotland should leave the United Kingdom – rather than asking if it should become independent.

Sorry for the source, couldn't find anything better, but since these are original quotes ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093606/Independent-Scotland-Queen-despite-majority-favour-break-away.html

So what now? They would keep the Queen? And still be part of United Kingdom?

EDIT I get it, Scotland would be part of the Commonwealth

I didn't know that:

All of Britain's nuclear weapons -- its only contribution to a Western nuclear deterrent -- are housed at the Royal Navy's base on Scotland's West Coast. A "yes" vote would throw into question the future of the Trident nuclear program, which consists of four Vanguard-class submarines armed with ballistic missiles on lease from the United States

The main pro-independence party says it opposes nuclear weapons, vowing to remove and ban them in a future Scottish state. Where the weapons would go remains an open question.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/16/politics/us-scotland-vote/ (Again sorry for the source)

M.T.

 

[Chad]

I spent a long weekend in Scotland in March this year. We went to the Highlands but spent most the time in Sterling, quite a poor area, in fact, it's been fairly 'economically challenged' for a very long time. Though the cities i understand were booming; media companies, etc... So i asked a car load of lads what they though about secession - and why it hadn't happened sooner! - and they said that whilst it was a good idea, there was no way the vote would be yes. Speaking to the same friend yesterday, he thinks it'll be Aye; but only by a margin.

What difference a few months make!

i agree that it may not do much overall, immediately. But putting a spanner in the works, and planting the very idea that the system is broken and has been milking the people for years, is worth it's weight in the gold Gordon Brown sold, but not before announcing it in the world press... Speaking of which, this event has been the ideal media opportunity for all those tired olde - but not yet totally abhored - politicians to make a new name for themselves. Brown being one of them; the comments i've heard are: "I've never seen him so passionate" thankfully some have responded, "So why didn't do anything when he had power?"

 

[Minas Tirith]

Brown being one of them; the comments i've heard are: "I've never seen him so passionate" thankfully some have responded, "So why didn't do anything when he had power?"

:D

Horrible speech though, I am glad I don't have to listen to more of that ...

"This is our Scotland. Scotland does not belong to the SNP. Scotland does not belong to the Yes campaign," he said. "This is not their flag, their country, their culture, their streets."

"There is not a cemetery in Europe that does not have Scots, English, Welsh and Irish lined side by side," he said. "We not only won these wars together, we built the peace together. What we have built together by sacrificing and sharing, let no narrow nationalism split asunder ever."

He added: "The vote tomorrow is not about whether Scotland is a nation, we are. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Let us tell the undecided. The waverers. Those not sure how to vote. Let us tell them what we have achieved together."

He said the SNP wanted to "smash our partnership" with England which had been a "beacon for solidarity and sharing" for hundreds of years for no reason. He asked voters to consider "what sort of message" Scotland would send to the rest of the world if it broke the union.

Brown also warned that independence risked taking Scotland down an "economic trapdoor" from which "we might never escape".

This is just plain horrible (and did he copy from Obama?) So full of clichees and emotional blackmailing :/

M.T.

 

[Paragon]

Another thing that I'd like to add as I feel that it is quite interesting and important.

It is my impression that many, many people are now aware of the Mainstream Media's capacity for lies, because with the BBC's coverage of the referendum, it was ridiculously slanted towards the better together campaign, not surprisingly to me but for others, it was a 'wake up call'. Pure omission of things like massive support for the YES vote and distortion of the facts were a highlight of the British Biased Corporation that we were delightfully exposed to.

We have all been sharing information and facts around on social media, in person and so many folks have been having sensible discussions about things. It was very nice to see on the social networks, the common people getting wise to the MSM and their manipulations and spreading the truth about their lies. I'll admit, I would have never thought I'd see the day when that kind of thing would happen!

What that may change is peoples perceptions of the Media to be trusted, and at the very least, they won't be so trusting in the future. I think there is a possibility for real change and it will stem from the grassroots level. If the common people are kept involved in decision making for their future, then I have hope, as the level of turnout and sheer passion was like nothing witnessed in Scotland for a very long time.

Perhaps what may help is spreading the word in some way about ponerology and making it easy to understand for the masses. However, I may be wishfully thinking here. I only base this idea on the observation that peoples focus and energy are of optimism and are already geared towards learning and openness to change. I see that a sizeable portion of the youth, from my impression, are aware of psychopathy actually, but maybe don't understand how that can filter down via ponerogenesis etc. Whether that is a true perception or not, I don't know.

FWIW, my two 'smackeroonies'.

 

[H-KQGE]

Well the ptb aren't going to let "their" resource-rich "backyard" utilize actual democratic means & reach "escape velocity" from from the old world empire. Every vote like this is gonna be rigged even if it doesn't begin that way. Scottish police are investigating.. wait for it... dun-dun-dun.... ELECTORAL FRAUD! An only 3 out of 32 counties votes have been counted.( 41% yes - 59% no) Obviously it's going to be a drawn out affair having the most optimistic "yessers" on tenterhooks. As usual, RT has good coverage of the manipulation (not all but the voters really should see it) as opposed to the daily paramoralisms, & paralogistic rubbish on BBC & Sky news, for instance. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltrO6UUFG4 The shameless English invaders (yes, they are) trotted out celebrities of all ranks to give "impassioned" pleas to the Scots ("were better together" LOL) in a unemotional fashion like Gordon Brown & Cameron. That must've been some hard work trying to seem empathetic!

There's better coverage from the above but they haven't uploaded it as a video yet. (it's on RT live) What I don't understand is how the Scots even got this far? And personally, even if the yes vote wins, they won't, the empire will force a recount or they'll "punish" them with all kinds of economic & legislative means. Quite frankly, they should forget about all that EU NATO nonsense, just ask the BRICS association if they can sign-up! But careful! "Putin's gonna invade!" (paraphrasing one headline I saw) Which immediately reminded me of one WWII movie where Hitler had spies with rock-solid accents (but not all the Intel - cue slip ups about county names etc) in the country looking for a backdoor entrance for submarines on the coast. They were in a small village I think, pretty intense LOL.

What's also good (the as yet unavailable RT video shows this) is the independence movements around Europe. The Catalans & their "civil disobedience", the Bavarians want a piece of the action as do the Venetians, Belgians (I forgot which part - westerners I think) & the Welsh probably wanna have a crack at this independence malarkey. And there's the impending market crash looming, along with the shortages in, well, the most important things to people globally. And increasing earth changes. Man, it's hotting up.

 

[Sol Logos]

I was talking with friends about this and being sceptical about it, while I reckon a yes vote would likely inspire moving to a polycentric world like Putin talks about, it won't happen because if it did it would simply be rigged. I find the very fact that there's enough faith in the process after countless vote rigging frauds throughout history (that is known about), points to the very reason we are so easily dupped in the first place. If you want to break the tide of change, its a great tool to control voting mechanisms while those that seek change believe in it enough to even participate. Besides the fact that when information is largely controlled, democracy becomes more like mob rule by those inundated by media and public relations inspired fear. Those two factors rule out the purposefulness of any large scale voting in our current state of affairs for me. Honestly though I feel disappointed, I was skeptical but hoped I was wrong about.

 

[Knight Pawn]

I'm sitting here in Glasgow, the morning after, with a resounding No vote in the can. The margin of victory much wider than expected, no exit polls, no international observers. I agree that such things can't be left to chance by the PTB. Better to have the result in no doubt than have the universally predicted close-run-thing.

 

[Minas Tirith]

Though I would like to say that my friends and others been talking so much about this vote that it's actually quite amazing to see so many people, young and old, care about something greater than themselves for a change. In Scotland, there has always been a general apathy regarding our nation and our future, so it's 'nice' to see passion in people.

I guess I'm not adding much but my own subjective views, but fwiw.

Not at all, it's interesting to hear for us "out there". Regarding the bolded, yes, even it's a NO (and it most probably is) THIS will stay and (forgive me this overused American phrase) "inspire" others. Just to know that things ARE possible. Imagine someone 10 years in a coma and then waking up being told that Scotland is independent. Would be hard to believe for him, eh? But now, so close, who knows what else is possible.

Oops, just saw that Paragon wrote something very similar ...

M.T.

 

[ska]

As a Scot living in the South I don't get to vote.

However my personall view is the same as in a general election.

I see it as playing their game - So we get to choose a set of self serving - self interested bunch of psychos in Westminster - or another bunch in Edinburgh
Is that what's on offer? So they are born North of the border So What? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are both Scots. Look where they got us.

Voting for any of them endorses preordained actions in my view.

Indepence ss not real change it's cosmetic, and when they do things and take decsins we don't like - and I think they will - they can respond
" well you chose this" -

The article on Sott calling for a "yes" vote makes me feel a little sad, that even intelligent people are being drawn in to the political masters games
and Niall's article on George Galloway almost demonstrates this point for me - even politicians that are seemingly the "good guys" and have what I
consider to bethe right views on the Middle East and other issues (even a broken clock is right twice a day kind-of-thing) are still just politicians and
part of that game.

(in fairness to George, he might agree with my views, and is just cleverly trying to appeal to the masses - wishful thinking?)

Had I voted. it would have been "yes" out of mischief - to see how these politicians deal with it - not conviction or buying on to a false ideal.
My friends and family in Sterling - comprise of that "undecided" 15% - pretty much because they don't feel there is any real advantage to either
situation, and they can't undersatnd the hight turnout forcast.

I sincerely hope my cynical views do not casue offence, I am just an old cynic, i have no faith at all in the system whatsoever.
It has led to dissapointment to many times in my nearly 60 years!

So much so that I almost deleted this draft before posting it! A mixture of not wanting to offend and thinking that my opinon 'aint sworth a scottish pound anyway!

The UK belongs to Scotland as much as England - Maybe the vote should be to expel England!

 

[Joe]

Evidence of vote fraud. Not exactly surprising.

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[Paragon]

Thanks Perceval, I have shared this video among my friends. It doesn't look good. Who knows what the real deal here is, but I can tell you that people will NOT be happy about this!

 

[Nienna]

Evidence of vote fraud. Not exactly surprising.

I would have thought that they would be intelligent enough to hide the "yes" votes under any that were actually "no". But, then again, I guess these sorts of people have never been said to be that intelligent.