obyvatel said:There is this thread Castaneda and the Fourth Way.Ask_a_debtor said:
Guess I could have searched the forum. Thanks obyvatel!
obyvatel said:There is this thread Castaneda and the Fourth Way.Ask_a_debtor said:
I hear that a lot, and I'm not very good at it. I feel I do have excellent control of my emotions....to me, they are biochemical responses to my thoughts and I can change my immediate emotion by changing the thoughts that caused it, that's fairly easy....but it's temporary. Comes in handy, but I still have to deal with the root issue when I get in a safe space to do so.
Stevie Argyll said:Another thing we can look out for is what Gurdjieff sometimes called this 'self calming' ,
Guardian said:Same with a wide variety of physical, and occasionally financial, predators. To me, the anger these people generate in me is a tool...or maybe a fuel source, with which to stop them. I don't want to not be anger when I see people doing hurtful things things to others. Is that a bad thing?
Guardian said:No, I apologized in the next sentence...well sorta, I said "I'm so sorry, I should not have said that out loud" ..which he did not catch because he was an idiot on steroids. His response was hysterically funny....it was all I could do to hold my tongue. He actually said "Lady I don't take steroids, this is all natural. I worked for this" then he flexed his arm.
He never denied that he was an idiot. :P
When the negative emotions are evoked in the sleeping, dreaming emotional center, in response to reality, elements from the intellectual or moving centers are added to them according to our social, religious, and psychological programming. We then "fall into confluence." Men and women commonly fall into moral prostitution in its infinitely varied shading because their actions or thoughts corrupt the pure negative emotions, deny them, suppress them, or otherwise create fantasies about reality using that energy.
As in the case of positive emotional reactions, the energy of the negative emotions spreads over the whole of the motor center and penetrated the motor sectors of the intellectual center and a state of profound confluence is the result. That is to say, that the individual will shift into a dream or an action that is programmed into them. Driven by shock or passion, a man loses his inner peace and falls immediately into the program, and proceeds to express his negative emotions via the intellectual or moving centers, and the energy is thereby lost.
If, however, at the moment when the negative emotions arises in him, the subject remains calm and does not mechanically begin to run a program, something powerful and positive can occur. By persistent introspection, the individual can observe the rise of the negative emotions and can disconnect them from intellectual or moving center usurpation and, understanding the origin of the reaction, will shed light on the inner darkness. The individual is then in a position to perform an act of primary importance:the liberation of the energy of the negative emotion for positive use. To allow this energy to be kept in the emotional center itself, to concentrate there, while simultaneously acquiring the knowledge of the external reality that stimulated the emotional reaction, and preventing the energy from being dissipated by the moving center, is a "victory" over the negative emotion, a mastery of the self that immediately brings an inflow of joy to the lower emotional center. This occurs when the negative emotional energy, concentrated in this way, causes the lower emotional center to vibrate at the rapid rhythm that is normal to it, which then establishes instant contact with the higher emotional center which triggers the current of higher emotional energy into the lower. The inflow of higher joy in the current of energy from the higher emotional center can then act on the energy concentrated in the lower emotional center by induction, transmuting it into the higher energy of the soul, which is the essential process of fusing the magnetic center, or growing the 4th density body - the gradual transformation of the physical body to the immortal body. With practice, this contact can be prolonged with more rapid results.
And, of course, the more violent the negative emotion, the greater the quantity of the emotional center energy that is produce, the more difficult the process, and the greater the rewards.
As the neophyte proceeds up the staircase, he will find that he experiences fewer negative emotions. It is at this point that he will discover the obvious utility of those who are hostile to him in the extreme. As long as he is on the Staircase it is in insults, hate, jealousy, treachery and the contempt of other men that the seeker finds the elements which are necessary for him to awaken his emotional center and utilize the "shocks" and "blows" and "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" to power his ascent.
By dominating the mechanical reactions - the programs - that the reality "out there" may produce in him, by separating and rejecting the elements that are parasites on the fine energy of this system, the seeker is able to mobilize the fine energy produced by the negative emotions. This accelerates the growth and development of the magnetic center which then enables the transition to the higher density. It is for this reason that the seeker understands why he should "love his enemies and bless those who curse and persecute him."
The saying: "Knowledge Protects" is wholly applicable to the inner revolution that takes place within the seeker. For all of our lives we are slaves to the programs that are set in motion by our negative emotions. Our intellectual centers steal this energy and produce all kinds of rationalizations, suppressions, fantasies of power or illusions that we have "mastered" the emotion simply because we are able to suppress it, or tell ourselves egotistical things like: "I'm better than that because see! I can suppress my reactions. I can say nice things when I am really boiling mad. That is what makes me superior." With knowledge of the true nature of reality and the programs that run in us, we are enabled to completely halt any such usurpation, to allow the concentration of the emotions - whether negative or positive - which then set our entire being on a higher vibration.
Another thread that deserves to be stickied.
Balberon said:Agreed. It's great to go back over this topic. I'm having to rethink many things of late and getting back to the beginning and refreshing things is helpful. It's here (re)learning the base principles that I'm hoping will help me rewire myself.
I have to ask a few questions. At first does a person just try and observe the actions/reactions so as to identify how the machine reacts to the situations, but leaves the situation/reaction to proceed as it would usually? If yes, for how long, until one is sure of that splinter of time to step in and prevent the reaction (cause the keeping it below the neck?), when one is sure the reaction is commencing?
Feel like I'm clogging this up a bit with my line of questioning, but I hadda ask.
I feel like I've a good handle on seeing things boiling up and have had some success at keeping it below the neck. At this point I don't feel like I get angry much anymore, at least not 'really' angry. It's more like a point where I just give up and feel drained, give in (to what I feel are not logical wants/demands by my significant other) and give up (let it go, but not on the inside. Inside it is more like a list is being written, why this (must have thing), why now (we just spent the money in hand on.. why at the last minute, we're headed home and now we have to back track/change course)).
These days there are a deeper range of emotions. Instead of just anger or rage there are confusion, frustration and fear all of which were taken as a cause for anger previously so my understanding and reactions are changing. confusion: I can seek clarity, frustration: can ask for help, fear: can look at/for the cause. The old reactions were confusion: I'm stupid, ignore, get angry enough to part ways, frustration: Break it, smash it.., fear: Run! Avoid! Puff up! So these are some things I'm attempting to get a better handle on DOing in order to deal with watching how 'it' reacts. I think this is helping in getting a better understanding of my machine.
I've got to practice EE more. Things at home are hectic at the beginning of a school year. My wife works the local fair (3 weeks'ish). The other day the Dog we inherited from a girl staying in an adjacent apartment broke it's leg, she's just not able to be present for a few more months, well that was $600 something dollars, the same day my daughter is faced with womanhood - certain physical cycles, my son got a 3 day suspension from school for the second time this week today ...heck, when it rains it pours. :) None of this is beyond me (I've been through worse) but I've been neglectful in the area of working on myself the last month roughly.
Guess it would be wise to remember - This too shall pass. It's something I often forget caught up in the deep sleep.
Can you describe a situation where this has happened recently?
Balberon said:When they returned from going to 2-3 different stores (I think 2) there was nothing for me. What I mean by that was there was not this snack-able special (?) thing. There were the vitamins, a few other necessities and her Coffee Pot, Iron and some sort of frying pan, matching items, none of which we needed. While I could accept being forgotten, I didn't bring up something special in the first place, so I felt my expectations were given to me, not from my own desires, but because I was told to have them. Would a tube of crackers been too much to ask for, or expect $120 bucks later? So I was a bit bothered by that situation, but instead of going off the deep end it was more of a feeling of being betrayed, acceptance and drainage.
Balberon said:I've got to practice EE more. Things at home are hectic at the beginning of a school year. My wife works the local fair (3 weeks'ish). The other day the Dog we inherited from a girl staying in an adjacent apartment broke it's leg, she's just not able to be present for a few more months, well that was $600 something dollars, the same day my daughter is faced with womanhood - certain physical cycles, my son got a 3 day suspension from school for the second time this week today ...heck, when it rains it pours. :) None of this is beyond me (I've been through worse) but I've been neglectful in the area of working on myself the last month roughly.
Balberon said:It's often that situations like this rise and I can't figure out what to do or how to avoid them without sitting down and writing out a list and counting every dollar. I'm trying to give her slack and see how things play out, and I always give more and add a tip for my best friends wife for her time and to help them out as well in case something gets overlooked. As I think about it now, I get the feeling that I'm setting her up to fail somehow. Something I'm not quite grasping. Something on the edge of my vision that I can't quite get into focus cause I can't turn my head - metaphorically.
1984 said:Balberon said:I've got to practice EE more. Things at home are hectic at the beginning of a school year. My wife works the local fair (3 weeks'ish). The other day the Dog we inherited from a girl staying in an adjacent apartment broke it's leg, she's just not able to be present for a few more months, well that was $600 something dollars, the same day my daughter is faced with womanhood - certain physical cycles, my son got a 3 day suspension from school for the second time this week today ...heck, when it rains it pours. :) None of this is beyond me (I've been through worse) but I've been neglectful in the area of working on myself the last month roughly.
Yes, practicing EE more will be of great benefit for your stress levels when 'things happen' like you've described here.
Just a few questions: How much time do you have alone each day to perhaps just do the pipe breathing and meditation? Is there time at work perhaps when you can take 15 minutes for EE? Are you able to listen to the meditation each night before sleep? Is your wife interested in EE?
How are your magnesium levels? Any supplements missing from your daily regime?