Session 1 November 2025

[palestine]

As I have written elsewhere, this supernova had a profound effect on the young Sir Francis Bacon who was probably the person who wrote the Rosicrucian Manifesto referred to in the session above. Even as a young boy, he took the supernova as a sign, an augury or an omen, to launch what he saw as his 'Great Work' to restore western civilisation to the heights it once occupied.

By the way, I wonder whether Sir Francis Bacon might be another candidate as an undergrounder and a 'Deep Level Punctuator'. He rose from relative obscurity to become Lord Chancellor of England and was one of the main drivers in the creation of the British Empire which really started with the fledgling American colony of Virginia for which he, as secretary to the Virginia Company, would write the colony's constitution that would later greatly influence the drafting of the US Constitution. Many people also think that he may have been the Grand Master of the early 17th century Rosicrucians, an underground movement and brotherhood which had a great effect on the late Renaissance and heavily inspired the Enlightenment as well as the launch of the modern scientific age, Bacon being one of the founders of the modern scientific method. Finally, he was most likely the real writer or pen behind the plays of William Shakespeare that helped to create modern drama as we known it today and are amongst the most influential written works of the last millennia. On this basis you could argue that he was more influential in the long term than Sargon the Great, Queen Nefertiti, Mayer Amschel Rothschild and even Napoleon Bonaparte if he was indeed an undergrounder and a Deep Level Punctuator. Moreover, did he really die in 1626 as claimed or did he go underground with his fellow alchemists in that mysterious enclave in the Pyrenees?

A. Lobaczewski speaks of "schizoïds" who are people affected by a mild (probably DNA based) anomaly. He explains that during specific times of relative calm, schizoïds tend to come up public with "ideas" who find an echo in society. What happens then is that it gives birth to a pathocracy, a long process during which the schizoïd and his ideas are gradually discarded in favour of a basic STS agenda. Is this what happened with Bacon and Rosicrucians? From your knowledge of Bacon, was he more a kind of guy who wouldn't know that his manifesto was that wrong? Or a real bad guy? If the latter, the whole schizoïd appraoch would not apply.

In addition, I can see a very interesting point: Bacon sees a comet, and he writes his manifesto. I posted, the other day, about the idea of comets as "information flux", rather than "a simple rock" (so, a comet polarity would vary, from a negative information flux to positive). But this is high speculation on my part. Could be that a comet was carrying very negative ideas and that this is what influenced Bacon. As a schizoïd, his DNA-bit would have acted as a tuning receptor for the data - and he wrote the manifesto in turns. This would explain "Bacon was very impressed by the supernovae... and ...". Idea here would be that schizoïds such as Marx, and others who really wrote the big ideologies turning pathocracy - had a comet right in front of their eyes, at some point in time. Could be that those comets were of the family of "negative comets". A catalyst. The specific bit of A. Lobaczewski goes by "during stable times, schioïds believe they found a way to fix the world"; they would "come public" and "tell others". What if there was a trigger for this?

This could be a missing link in A. Lobaczewski's theory? He basically explains that "there exist schizoïds", that "those have deviant ideas", "are manifesto specialists" - and that "their negative potential is set in motion during stable times". As of now, those guys are simply "popping up with ideas". But those ideas give birth to things that are so negative... It becomes odd. The matter with schizoïds is that they are not 100% bad guys; as A. Lobaczewski explains, they are carriers of an anomaly, but they are "torn down between the world of normal people and the feeling for psychopathology/STS". They are far from being essential psychopaths. And so, it's still with them that the worst periods of history start. Was Bacon a schizoïd?

 

[FM258]

I am always hoping we get to say hello to Pierre and see what he is up to...I did not get to know him very well, but I feel a kind of kinship with him somehow. Would like to attend the next session, have some questions that are very interesting, but Ill make sure I search the archives first. Thanks again Laura, Andromeda and crew

 

[MJF]

I find this gap of awareness quite peculiar considering all the recorded history of the 17th century. It literally saw the birth of astronomy as we know it, including the invention of the telescope just in time to see and study comets. We brought it up in this thread and sott.net.

Here's another synthesis.

Comets : A Chronological History of Observation, Science, Myth and Folklore by Yeomans, Donald K.: Good (1991) 1st Edition. | Better World Books

ISBN: 9780471610113 - 1st Edition. - Hardcover - Wiley & Sons, Incorporated, John - 1991 - Condition: Good - Former library book; may include library markings. Used book that is in clean, average condition without any missing pages. - Comets : A Chronological History of Observation, Science...

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Independence Day

Comment: The following was written by SOTT's founding editor Laura Knight-Jadczyk over 20 years ago. Thus it was written during the first Bush administration and predicted, correctly, that the psychopaths and lunatics who emerged from the shadows...

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https://ens.hal.science/hal-03750299v1/document

Christophori Scheiner Rosa Ursina sive sol

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Historical essay: Of monsters and prodigies: The interpretation of birth defects in the sixteenth century

In the sixteenth century, a time of religious and social upheaval, naturalistic theories of generation were joined to ideas that monstrous births were divine signs. In this paper, we explore how medicine and theology were combined to explain the

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Thirty Years of Cults and Comets

The Thirty Years' War was fought between 1618 and 1648, principally on the territory of today's Germany, and involved most of the major European powers. It began as an ostensible religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics and

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Unless you have fancy telescopes, not available for the public. Past sessions must be seen with this new awareness, considering that there were some assumptions in the past. Laura explains it very well in her article Independence Day.

Thank you for the additional information. I must add that when I first read the C's comments posing the question as to what would happen if the brown star got close enough to be illuminated by the sun many years ago now, I was excited at the prospect of seeing such an event and even imagined something like Nostradamus's 'King of Terror' sending everyone into an apocalyptic panic. Hence, to find that the dark star, sometimes referred to as Nemesis, made its closest approach a few hundred years ago is, I would admit, a tad disappointing for me.

You mention in your response the famous comet of 1664. This was certainly seen in England and was viewed by many as a harbinger of doom, which in many ways was fulfilled over the following two years, since 1665 saw the last major outbreak of bubonic plague in England and 1666 (with people readily recognising the significance of the number "666" as the Mark of the Beast) seeing the Great Fire of London, which almost wiped out the entirety of the medieval City of London. Many commentators at the time, particularly those of a more Christian fundamentalist disposition, actually believed that this was the Apocalypse heralding the end of the world and saw these events as a just punishment of the profane, irreligious and licentious who had revelled in the years of merriment following the restoration of King Charles II (known to history as the "Merry Monarch") to the throne after the dour times Oliver Cromwell (as Lord Protector) and his Puritan supporters had imposed on the populace when they even cancelled the traditional festivities surrounding the Christmas period. Quoting selectively from Wikipedia:
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The Great Plague of London, lasting from 1665 to 1666, was the most recent major epidemic of the bubonic plague to occur in England.

The Great Plague killed an estimated 100,000 people — almost a quarter of London's population — in 18 months.

The 1665–66 epidemic was on a much smaller scale than the earlier Black Death pandemic. It became known afterwards as the "great" plague mainly because it was the last widespread outbreak of bubonic plague in England during the 400-year Second Pandemic.

In late 1664, a bright comet was seen in the sky and the people of London became fearful, wondering what evil event it portended.

[In] September [1666], the Great Fire of London destroyed much of the City of London, and some people believed that the fire put an end to the epidemic. It is now thought that the plague had largely subsided before the fire took place. Most of the later cases of plague were found in the suburbs, and it was the City of London that was destroyed by the fire.​

Ironically, in spite of the gloomy prognostications of the fundamentalists, London saw a rapid resurgence after the Great Fire with a major rebuilding programme and trade quickly recovering to pre-epidemic and pre-Great Fire levels. Quoting from Wikipedia again:
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Not only was the capital rejuvenated, but it became a healthier environment in which to live. Londoners had a greater sense of community after they had overcome the great adversities of 1665 and 1666​

However, for Londoners living through those two grim years following the sighting of the comet, it must have seemed to them that they really were living at the end of the world, particularly after having experienced a brutal civil war just a few years before these events that had seen death and destruction on a huge scale and the whole social order turned upside down.

You said:​

Unless you have fancy telescopes, not available for the public.​

Unfortunately, I don't have a fancy telescope but then even those that do have not been able to detect the Dark Star in spite of their best efforts. Quoting from a 2017 Space.com article on the Nemesis Star Theory:
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A solar companion may be hard to find, but it would still be visible by sensitive telescopes. Astronomers have scoured the sky using the Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), which studied the sky over four years in three infrared wavelengths. The instrument discovered 173 brown dwarfs farther away than our solar system, but none near enough to be the infamous Nemesis.

NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer completed its 1.25-year mission in February 2011, having discovered a number of brown dwarfs within 20 light-years. Again, none of these were located near the solar system.

See: Nemesis Star Theory: The Sun's 'Death Star' Companion

However, diving into conspiracy theory here, I recall reading years ago about an astronomer using a powerful infrared telescope who had been able to spot Nemesis and was going public over it. Unfortunately, he then met a sudden demise and the story never broke. I can't remember his name and have not been able to track the story down again but maybe someone else may have a better handle on it than me and a better memory for these things .

Although it is believed that most stars start life as part of a binary star system, many astronomers take the view that if our sun had been part of a binary system, its twin escaped off into the galaxy billion of years ago. Quoting Space,com again:
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In 2017, a new study suggested that nearly all stars like the sun were born with companions. The astronomers did detailed studies of young stars in the Perseus molecular cloud and backed up their work with modelling. But "Nemesis," if it did indeed exist at that time, broke free of the sun early in its history and moved into the rest of the Milky Way's population, the astronomers said.​

Well obviously the C's think otherwise. Nevertheless, searching for our sun's twin brown dwarf star, is no doubt like searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack.​

 

[axj]

Unfortunately, I don't have a fancy telescope but then even those that do have not been able to detect the Dark Star in spite of their best efforts.

Maybe some astronomers saw the brown dwarf on its closest approach during the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715):

Post in thread 'Computational modelling of the companion star and its interaction with Sol'

Today at 3:01 AM

A possible observation of the companion brown dwarf during its closest approach:

Johannes Hevelius observed a new star in 1679, which is still a mystery and usually assumed to having been a nova. This sighting has been given the name V529 Orionis. The location is the red circle in this picture and the blue line is the solar system ecliptic plane:

Why do I think this could have been a sighting of the companion star?

Time: Exactly in the middle of the Maunder Minimum, which was probably the time of the brown dwarf's closest approach.

Location...

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I also suspect that the WISE infrared survey more than a decade ago and maybe other infrared telescopes could have picked it up, but that it is being kept secret.

Another possibility is that the brown dwarf is currently in the galactic plane and difficult to spot due to too many stars in the background. In fact, if the Maunder Minimum observation (close to Sirius, a clue by the C's) was correct, then the brown dwarf could be close to the region of the galactic center now (opposite side of where it was probably spotted on its closest approach).

 

[Sindy-S.R]

I think the C's said there were about 3,500 members of the Illuminati worldwide who do tend to intermarry between themselves. They would also seem to be the controllers of Freemasonry given what the C's said here:​

Freemasonry would seem to have its roots in Egypt with a group called the "Osirians" according to the C's:



Elsewhere the C's said that the Quorum was mostly alien and the Illuminati mostly human:



So, there seems to be a certain element within the Illuminati that is not human. However, the C's have also linked the Quorum/Illuminati with the alchemists:

This reference to the alchemists leads us to the mysterious enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees who seem to have a direct relationship with the Quorum and also numbers the famous French medieval alchemist Nicholas Flamel among its ranks:



The C's also made a connection between Sir Francis Bacon and the enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees and I believe, as some researchers do, that Bacon was heavily involved in the design and implementation of the Money Pit on Oak Island and the ingenious booby trap flood system that protects it, which has so far prevented all treasure seekers from getting to the buried treasure (i.e., a TDARM according to the C's):



But Bacon was not only a Rosicrucian as many link him with the emergence of English Freemasonry too. If Bacon was the real Shakespeare, then it is worth noting that the works of Shakespeare are replete with references to Freemasonry or the "Craft" as it is also known. As researchers have pointed out, only someone who was a Freemason could have had the in depth knowledge required to have included so many references to masonic ritual and symbolism as are contained in the works of Shakespeare. Alfred Dodd in his seminal work "Shakespeare: Creator of Freemasonry" itemises an almost unbelievable number of Masonic allusions in the Shakespeare plays, especially in "Love's Labour Lost". Indeed, many Baconians believe the clown parodied in Love's Labour Lost was in fact William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon. Quoting Matthew Walker in his Compeers by Night on Bacon’s links to Freemasonry:​

“As Dodd says, the body of evidence cited in his book "proves incontestably these works were saturated in Masonry." The problem is, and has always been, dual. In the first place, scholars do not realise that Bacon wrote the plays. And in the second place, in addition to this lamentable ignorance, the scholars who have studied the plays have had no familiarity with Freemasonry. When they encounter something, such as the knocking at the gate scene with the porter in Macbeth, it registers no more than light on the eyes of a blind man. But the repeated three knocks at the door, especially in connection with the association of King James I with Scottish Freemasonry, almost certainly alludes to the ritual of Freemasonry.”

So, it seems that Bacon was not only a grandmaster of the Rosicrucians but also a top ranking Freemason, which might suggest that he also had a link to the Illuminati as well as the enclave of alchemists in the Pyrenees since he was a practising alchemist too.

However, these references to Freemasonry and the Illuminati and Bacon's possible connection to both organisations leads indirectly to a connection with the undergrounders or subterranean civilisation who have sometimes gone by the name of 'The Nation of the Third Eye' since the C's have said that they were the inspiration for both Masonic lore and the Illuminati too:



So, we seem to have a slew of connections between the Quorum, the Illuminati, Freemasonry, the enclave of alchemists, the Rosicrucians and the Nation of the Third Eye with Sir Francis Bacon sitting somewhere in the middle of all this. It is not for nothing that I suggested he might be an undergrounder. It helps to know too that he was a genius and a polymath, one of the most brilliant men of his age who was really the driving force behind the Invisible College and the Royal Society in the 17th century. The fact that he should call his last work The New Atlantis, published only after his supposed death, is very illuminating too.

For those who might want to know more about Sir Francis Bacon and his links to the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons and Shakespeare's works, I attach a copy of my article Francis Bacon – The Man Behind the Curtain.

As to your contention that infertility may be one of the markers of "underground" members, well it is true that Bacon never had any children but another undergrounder certainly had lots of children and that was Queen Nefertiti who had six daughters and one son (Pharaoh Tutankhamun) with her husband Akhenaten and then one son (Isaac) that we know of with her second husband Abraham/Moses whilst in her guise as the biblical Sarah. I believe that it was her oldest daughter Princess Meritaten who was the last member of the Perseid family and who is referred to as the maid servant Hagar in the Bible. She inherited her mother's elongated head according to surviving busts of her.​

Yes, @MJF, I completely agree; the chances of Sir Francis Bacon being a subterranean are very high.
You've provided many connections, details, and "patterns," though this is certainly true in the case of historical figures, which is easier to identify.
In this post I published, if this story were true, Salvador Freixedo recounts stories of subterranean encounters with ordinary people.

Thread 'The Undergrounders and Salvador Freixedo'

Sep 2, 2025

Thanks to The Cassiopaean Experiment's Substack, I was reminded of an old memory of a book I read about 15 years ago, The Human Farm (They, the Invisible Owners of This Planet) (1988) by Salvador Freixedo.

The Undergrounders Part 1

From Agartha to the Deros to the Cryptoterrestrials

cassiopaea.substack.com

LA GRANJA HUMANA de Salvador Freixedo | Casa del Libro

Consigue LA GRANJA HUMANA de Salvador Freixedo en PDF ¡Entra YA!

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I'm adding information about the author and the book:

Salvador Freixedo (April 18, 1923 – October 25, 2019)[1] was a Spanish Catholic priest and a member...

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[Sindy-S.R]

I find the story of Napoleon's doubles interesting, but a bit secondary. At least for now.
Of far greater interest is Napoleon's "family." It was quite large by today's standards (13 children, 8 of whom survived to adulthood). Were any of them also "underground" figures, helping Napoleon in the future and maintaining his "legend"?
His older brother, Joseph, seems a good candidate. Napoleon's right-hand man, during the height of his power, was elected Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge of France.
Considering the number of Napoleon's siblings, it seems odd that this young man left behind only one child (Napoleon II), who died at 21, leaving no children of his own. The genetic line was broken.
It seems Napoleon himself long believed he was sterile. Was he truly sterile? (And then Napoleon II and other children attributed to Napoleon are not his children.)
Is infertility one of the markers of "underground" members? Do they deliberately send "sterile" men/women to the surface so that they cannot leave their DNA (genetic line) and continue the family line?

PS
In one session, the C's said that there are very few real Illuminati and that they "keep their DNA to themselves."

If the legend that Napoleon didn't die on the island of Saint Helena were true, I don't think a professional historian would take this fact lightly or dismiss it as secondary.
The academic implications would create a revolution and a questioning of historical events.
And that, in essence, is the TITANIC work that @Laura and many other members of this forum have been doing for a very long time.
Of course, the fact that Napoleon was a subterranean is already too impressive to easily grasp.

 

[Joe]

Except that clue opens up a whole new can of questions. A few obvious ones that come to mind are how much total energy can be contained in a 'purse'? What is the source/technology? How do they recharge their purses, or did they throw them away after use? The C's are probably not going to play much dice, so we are left to find out by ourselves primarily, or just wait and see. Interesting in any case.

There's no reason we can't ask for more details on the "purses" and who they worked.