Session 12 November 2016
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Divide by Zero
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Mandrak said:
I kind of wonder if he was joking about the west's idea of reality creation.
Despite that, this different dimension still is garbage. Sorry Putin, but I'm not happy about it.
I read this session again today when I first woke up. Last night I watched the the first interview with President Trump on ABC. He was pressed hard on the voter fraud issue and the claimed lack of proof which makes him look like he cannot accept the claimed loss of the popular vote because of his ego. He said he will launch an investigation so who knows what may be found. After the interview I felt myself becoming emotional and buying into the narrative of him denying the reality of "no proof" of voter fraud.
So I remembered the Cs said he actually won the popular vote and that brings me to a question. What is the understanding of the answer given "vote manipulation ex eventu"?
I looked up ex eventu and it is defined https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaticinium_ex_eventu "Vaticinium ex eventu ("Prophecy from the event") is a technical theological or historiographical term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event, when in fact it was written after the events supposedly predicted. Vaticinium ex eventu is a form of hindsight bias. The concept is similar but distinct from postdiction, where prophecies that were genuinely written or spoken before the event are reinterpreted after the event to fit the facts as they occurred."
Does this mean votes manipulated before the results, i.e. voter fraud as Trump is claiming?
So I remembered the Cs said he actually won the popular vote and that brings me to a question. What is the understanding of the answer given "vote manipulation ex eventu"?
I looked up ex eventu and it is defined https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaticinium_ex_eventu "Vaticinium ex eventu ("Prophecy from the event") is a technical theological or historiographical term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event, when in fact it was written after the events supposedly predicted. Vaticinium ex eventu is a form of hindsight bias. The concept is similar but distinct from postdiction, where prophecies that were genuinely written or spoken before the event are reinterpreted after the event to fit the facts as they occurred."
Does this mean votes manipulated before the results, i.e. voter fraud as Trump is claiming?
Thanks mrtn. Your explanation fits the definition better. It seems the votes were manipulated after the election somehow for the reasons explained. We will see if an investigation finds anything.
Dakota said:
I've been thinking about that "not a "green horn"" part too. It leaves me hoping against hope that somewhere inside of Trump there is a good part that just can't get out because he is completely boxed into a corner. I guess only "time" will tell and we need to be even more alert to any subtle clues that come out as to why he seems to be only going with the flow. His latest "I can be flexible" stance is worrying to the point of seeming like a complete failure so far.
He has confronted the settlement expansion of Israel but will he just be "flexible" on that issue as well? Who can say, I am as clueless as you for now.
Obi said:
I also honestly find Trump "inscrutable". I have read that he does not drink alcohol but his actions remind me of a Kung Fu technique called Drunken Master.
This is a bit over the top like Trump. Here is one brief depiction:
zak
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Thank you for this session.
About Trump, that's true it's difficult to really see what's is his mind. If you simply refer to medias, he looks so dumb but we know for sure that we have to be careful with what we read, see and hear... For many years I have said that 1 man alone cannot do anything especially in this kind of position. If he really wants to defy a system he knows he has to be extremely careful and connected to some important people.
Wait and see...
About Trump, that's true it's difficult to really see what's is his mind. If you simply refer to medias, he looks so dumb but we know for sure that we have to be careful with what we read, see and hear... For many years I have said that 1 man alone cannot do anything especially in this kind of position. If he really wants to defy a system he knows he has to be extremely careful and connected to some important people.
Wait and see...
Divide by Zero
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I agree Elohir.
Also what bothered me about Trump is that he came in as an outsider, but he appointed a lot of insiders. Of course he may not have a choice, but I am a bit more angry that if this is the case, to pretend like you are an outsider who can drain the swamp is fooling people who believe this can be done.
It might have been better to get another bush type, who is obviously a thief of money and freedoms than someone who pretended like Obama and now Trump, who I also think is pretending. If he isn't pretending, he might be naive and still- misleading people that our government can be changed by a president when in fact it is deeper than that.
Also what bothered me about Trump is that he came in as an outsider, but he appointed a lot of insiders. Of course he may not have a choice, but I am a bit more angry that if this is the case, to pretend like you are an outsider who can drain the swamp is fooling people who believe this can be done.
It might have been better to get another bush type, who is obviously a thief of money and freedoms than someone who pretended like Obama and now Trump, who I also think is pretending. If he isn't pretending, he might be naive and still- misleading people that our government can be changed by a president when in fact it is deeper than that.
[quote author= DBZ]It might have been better to get another bush type, who is obviously a thief of money and freedoms than someone who pretended like Obama and now Trump, who I also think is pretending. If he isn't pretending, he might be naive and still- misleading people that our government can be changed by a president when in fact it is deeper than that.[/quote]
Another way to look at it is this. The MSM is basically committing 'social suicide' for all to see in their totally baseless witch-hunt against Trump.
On top of that, them trying to discredit Trump, shows the PTB still consider him a risk
And most of all, what would have happened if Killary was president right now. Wouldn't she had fired hundreds of tomahawks missiles inside Syria last April, instead of the mere 59 Trump did, half of them reaching their targets, while even informing the Russians beforehand.
Sure things aren't perfect, but we may have dodged the bullet with Killary. Or at least, this alternative may be better.
But yeah, I understand your frustrations that Trump isn't draining the swamp, but how realistic was that from the start? Is that even possible, in the way many people expected him to do that, and is Trump even capable? I was enthusiastic and hopefull to. But I directed my possible hope for better outcomes on other things. We have to wait and see. :)
Another way to look at it is this. The MSM is basically committing 'social suicide' for all to see in their totally baseless witch-hunt against Trump.
On top of that, them trying to discredit Trump, shows the PTB still consider him a risk
And most of all, what would have happened if Killary was president right now. Wouldn't she had fired hundreds of tomahawks missiles inside Syria last April, instead of the mere 59 Trump did, half of them reaching their targets, while even informing the Russians beforehand.
Sure things aren't perfect, but we may have dodged the bullet with Killary. Or at least, this alternative may be better.
But yeah, I understand your frustrations that Trump isn't draining the swamp, but how realistic was that from the start? Is that even possible, in the way many people expected him to do that, and is Trump even capable? I was enthusiastic and hopefull to. But I directed my possible hope for better outcomes on other things. We have to wait and see. :)
In a sense, Trump doesn't have to be kind or really anti-system to serve his purpose...
He might play his rule as well and add his own stone to the final firework even if he does stupid things.
Honestly, I don't think that he's a samaritan who can help things improving in the right sense. But since the beggining, 1 thing made me think deeply about him as the brexit or Poutine : the way the international medias treat them. Generally, if medias tell you to look to the left, just look to the right ;)
If they all hate Trump and didn't want him to be the next president, somewhere it could be good for us. This is why I enjoyed so much his election :P
Anyway, I don't know if someone has already fixed it but there is little mistake in the following sentence :
Mrs PARK was the president at this time and not the prime minister. In fact, I was in South Korea at this time and it was completely awesome to see so many people in the streets (1 million they said) each saturday during months until she was fired in last march by the constitutionnal council. By the way, despite there were so many people gathered in a same area, ni accident, no battles have been seen during this sensible period. Korean people are really similar to japanese people about the discipline :D
Anyway, we don't know much about her friend, Mrs CHOI, but she's the kind of woman to rule from the shadow. Many things were revealed in the news and she really ruled the country. Many authorities felt with her after this scandal. The korean policy knew many troubles the first trimester and a kind of cleansing has been made.
He might play his rule as well and add his own stone to the final firework even if he does stupid things.
Honestly, I don't think that he's a samaritan who can help things improving in the right sense. But since the beggining, 1 thing made me think deeply about him as the brexit or Poutine : the way the international medias treat them. Generally, if medias tell you to look to the left, just look to the right ;)
If they all hate Trump and didn't want him to be the next president, somewhere it could be good for us. This is why I enjoyed so much his election :P
Anyway, I don't know if someone has already fixed it but there is little mistake in the following sentence :
Mrs PARK was the president at this time and not the prime minister. In fact, I was in South Korea at this time and it was completely awesome to see so many people in the streets (1 million they said) each saturday during months until she was fired in last march by the constitutionnal council. By the way, despite there were so many people gathered in a same area, ni accident, no battles have been seen during this sensible period. Korean people are really similar to japanese people about the discipline :D
Anyway, we don't know much about her friend, Mrs CHOI, but she's the kind of woman to rule from the shadow. Many things were revealed in the news and she really ruled the country. Many authorities felt with her after this scandal. The korean policy knew many troubles the first trimester and a kind of cleansing has been made.
