Session 13 January 2024

[hlat]

The ivermectin tablets (6 mg) I bought have a production date of 04/2021 and are said to expire 03/2024. My questions would be similar to echo's.

The hydroxychloroquine of early 2022 expired in 05/2023.

On the subject of alibaba purchases I would like to ask our German members whether they have succeeded getting ivermectin through that channel since I personally couldn't get my deliveries from India past the customs office at Frankfurt airport at that time.

I think if you have them in the refrigerator, they should be good for many years.

 

[Gaby]

On the subject of alibaba purchases I would like to ask our German members whether they have succeeded getting ivermectin through that channel since I personally couldn't get my deliveries from India past the customs office at Frankfurt airport at that time.

You guys are definitely not from Third World countries . Seriously, I often have to make the joke when I hear people throwing away crucial stuff because of expiry date. I tell them to not throw anything away, just give them to me. I recycle!

And the day has come where all Third World countries have amoxicillin and other basic drugs, oh, but not in First World countries.

Here's an article for some perspective:

Many Medications Remain Safe and Effective Well Past Their Expiration Dates - LewRockwell

Recently by Joseph Mercola: Antibiotic Alert: The Drug the Doctor Ordered Could Cause Deadly SideEffects Story at-a-glance Prescription drugs typically have an expiration date of one to five years, but many “expired” drugs are just as potent as when they were originally made, even several...

www.lewrockwell.com

Researchers analyzed eight prescription drugs that expired between 28 and 40 years ago and found that most were just as potent as when they were made

In short, the ivermectin will probably outlive us.

 

[Joe]

But it seems like networking could be, not a shortcut exactly, but an alternative route. Basically combining forces. This would be an interesting question for the C's if I can phrase it right.

The Cs said an interesting (to me) thing in the second to last session. I asked if everyone had a 5D self, and they said, "if you have a soul". In this one they said

Q: (Joe) Do you merge with your fifth density yourself when you go to 5D?

A: Eventually or partially depending on your plan or destiny.

Which suggests that the destiny of some people is to merge fully with their 5D self at some point when they are there.

We could suppose that the same is true in 4D, that we 'merge' eventually, or partially (and temporarily?) on arriving in 4D, again depending on destiny.

This obviously implies that none of us are individual in a very real and fundamental way. That we are all part of something bigger, by nature. This probably ties into the idea of "soul groups". The 3D manifestation of each of us being an intricate part of of 'larger' being or 'soul group' might be networking and networks.

Why do the Cs always say that "networking works"? Not just, I think, because it works, but rather because it's a fundamental reality of how we are.

It's not just that the more we network with "like-minded" people the better we are able to function, but rather the more we act in a way that is reflective of the objective reality of ourselves, not as individuals, but as part of something bigger.

So I don't think that networking is an "alternative route" in the sense that it's not the primary one, I think it IS the primary one.

The idea that we would try to 'graduate' to a next level on the basis of our individual effort is the "alternative route", and one that is rather unlikely to meet with success, because it based in the incorrect belief in separateness and ignores the truth that we are all fundamentally parts of a bigger whole.

 

[loreta]

You guys are definitely not from Third World countries . Seriously, I often have to make the joke when I hear people throwing away crucial stuff because of expiry date. I tell them to not throw anything away, just give them to me. I recycle!

And the day has come where all Third World countries have amoxicillin and other basic drugs, oh, but not in First World countries.

Here's an article for some perspective:

Many Medications Remain Safe and Effective Well Past Their Expiration Dates - LewRockwell

Recently by Joseph Mercola: Antibiotic Alert: The Drug the Doctor Ordered Could Cause Deadly SideEffects Story at-a-glance Prescription drugs typically have an expiration date of one to five years, but many “expired” drugs are just as potent as when they were originally made, even several...

www.lewrockwell.com

In short, the ivermectin will probably outlive us.

That's why they are asking people to put out-of-date medicines back into the pharmacy. People think it's so they can throw them away in secure containers, but the real reason is that the medicines are being recycled. So it's a good reason not to "give" these medicines to the pharmacy, but to keep them for ourselves, because maybe one day we'll need them. Or for other people in need of them.

 

[youlik]

No, you're completely extrapolating and misinterpreting context of my short statement. I did not refer to the "ordinary residents" neither their somekind of envy for international ordinary residents. All this is your words and viewpoint and it is really intriguing why are you having and bringing up such an idea.

I did not touch on the context of your statement, I was only affected by an incorrect and unfair definition, which I tried to show. In this definition, I saw the "protruding ears" of the "western mainstream" and I will write about it below. You are right that my words about "some kind of envy" are my words and my point of view, but this is also my life and this idea did not "arise" as you write.
There was such a stamp in Soviet propaganda: the Western world is rotting. A joke based on this stamp was very well known among the people at that time. A dialogue between two Soviet citizens, one of whom has just returned from a trip to the West. They ask him: well, how are things there, are they rotting? He answers: of course they rot, but it smells so good.
A Russian proverb says that there is some truth in every joke, and in this sense, the above joke reflects the reason for the collapse of the Soviet system, I will write about this a little bit.
In general, your message is worth parsing for almost every sentence.

In the dictatorships the common people hardly have a major influence on the general inner and outer politics.

This is not quite true. In any dictatorship, dictators monitor the condition of the masses, and those who do not end up quickly and badly. There are many examples of this from ancient times to the present day. From the modern one, we can recall Kampuchea from the time of the Khmer Rouge.

Soviet Union was a political and military superpower, and Russia basically acted as the "Slavic motherland" for all the Eastern European countries.

I would look a little wider here. A certain territory has undergone drastic, dramatic and catastrophic changes for many direct participants in a historically very short period of time, and at the same time, what you write about has not changed. The Russian Empire, the USSR and present-day Russia preserve this, and in this I see some "supra-historical", if I may say so, objectivity. By the way, C's talked about the features of the genotype associated with geographical location.

Dugin's fourth political theory and Russian's New World are basically the same, updated old ideologization - saying otherwise is pure naivety and ignorance.

This is not for me at all. I am not familiar with Dugin's theories and know him only in the context of the tragedy that happened to his daughter.

The "tyranny" was not about controlling other countries because ordinary people lived there better than ordinary people in Russia but because of geopolitical interests and nothing much else.

Here you are turning it upside down. I didn't talk about tyranny BECAUSE some people lived better than others. I was talking about how it is somewhat strange to call tyranny a state where tyrants live worse than those who are tyrannized.

If the USSR "rule" - and in general the marxist-socialist ideological framework and structures of power in all the countries - would have been better then there wouldn't have happen such a big and sudden disintergration of the whole Eastern Bloc (including Yugoslavia). It practically fell apart by itself inside, with the downfall starting already in the late 70s or early 80s. It was simply faulty ideology, faulty measures to keep the power structures, common existential dread and needs, corruption, low conscientiousness and spirituality of collective generations.

This is a completely false statement and again the notorious "protruding ears of the Western mainstream", with the exception of just one word - corruption. The Soviet ideology, as a system of control and restriction, was no worse or better than any other. The Chinese won't let me lie. How can you not see? The collapse of the Soviet system did not happen for ideological reasons, but simply because the ruling elites were bribed. The Soviet Union was simply sold by its rulers and what rested on the influence of the Soviet Union immediately collapsed with it.

Nazi Germany is out of question here. Why are you even bringing it up? It is really misleading and pointless excusing the harsh politics and humanitarian, social and economical distaters that happened during the USSR period by brining into the Nazi Germany or "Western mainstream"

No, dear interlocutor, this cannot be so. A little above, you said general words about "forever" or "not forever" and I will return the general words to you - everything is connected with everything.
More specifically, the entire political structure of the modern world is based on the results of the Second World War or, as it is called in Russia, the Great Patriotic War or, in other words, the victory over Nazi Germany and its allies. Whether this is good or bad in this case is not important, it is important that this is so far the case. Here we come close to what this notorious "Western mainstream" is. The main goal of all this is to change the political structure of the world. To promote something they call a "rules-based order," where the rule, in fact, should be one thing: as the world hegemon said, so it will be. In this sense, it is very important to reduce the importance of the outcome of this war as the cause of the modern political world order. This is done by all possible means (silencing, falsification, rewriting history) and, unfortunately, they are achieving some success.
I recall the results of some surveys of young people in America. When asked who won the Second World War, almost everyone says that it is the United States and almost no one remembers the USSR. Similar polls in Japan (!) asking who used nuclear weapons in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are also shocking with their results. Young people either do not know, or say that the USSR did it and no one says what really happened.
This is the result of the effort.

Bringing up Nazi Germany or "Western mainstream" are only weasel words and strawman arguments to propagate USSR or "Eastern mainstream".

To what extent these are empty words and false arguments and in what place the propaganda of the USSR is present here, let people draw a conclusion, and here I can congratulate you on the "eastern mainstream". I've never heard of such a thing and, accordingly, you are the author. You can patent it.

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Контекста вашего заявления я не касался, меня затронуло только неправильное и несправедливое определение, что я и пытался показать. В этом определении я увидел "торчащие уши" "западного мейнстрима"и чуть ниже я напишу об этом. Вы правы в том, что мои слова о "некоей зависти", это мои слова и моя точка зрения, но это и моя жизнь и эта идея не "возникла", как вы пишете.
В советской пропаганде существовал такой штамп: западный мир загнивает. В народе в то время была очень известна шутка, основанная на этом штампе. Диалог двух советских граждан, один из которых только что вернулся из поездки на запад. Его спрашивают: ну и как там дела, загнивают? Он отвечает: конечно загнивают, но как приятно пахнет.
Русская поговорка говорит о том, что в каждой шутке есть доля правды и в этом смысле в приведенной шутке отражена причина произошедшего развала советской системы, чуть я напишу и об этом.
Вообще ваше сообщение достойно разбора почти по каждому предложению.
Это не совсем так. В любой диктатуре диктаторы следят за состоянием масс, а те кто этого не делает кончают быстро и плохо. Примеров тому очень много с древних времен и до наших дней. Из современного можно вспомнить Кампучию времен "Красных Кхмеров".
Здесь я посмотрел бы чуть шире. Определенная территория в исторически очень короткий срок претерпела кардинальные, драматические и катастрофические для многих непосредственных участников, изменения и при этом то, о чем вы пишете не изменилось. Российская Империя, СССР и нынешняя Россия сохраняют это и в этом я усматриваю некоторую "надисторическую", если можно так сказать, объективность. Кстати, C's говорили об особенностях генотипа, связанных с географической локацией.
Вот это вообще не ко мне. Я не знаком с теориями Дугина и знаю его только в контексте трагедии, произошедшей с его дочерью.
Здесь вы переворачиваете с ног на голову. Я не говорил о тирании ПОТОМУ ЧТО одни жили лучше других. Я говорил о том, несколько странно называть тиранией состояние, когда тираны живут хуже тех, кого тиранизируют.
Это полностью ложное утверждение и опять пресловутые " торчащие уши западного мейнстрима", за исключением всего одного слова- коррупция. Советская идеология, как система контроля и ограничения была ничем не хуже и не лучше любой другой. Китайцы не дадут мне соврать. Как вы не видите? Обрушение советской системы произошло не по идеологическим причинам, а банально из-за того, что удалось подкупить правящие элиты. Советский Союз просто продали его правители и то что держалось на влиянии Советского Союза немедленно рухнуло вместе с ним.
Нет, уважаемый собеседник, это не может быть так. Чуть выше вы говорили общие слова про "вечно" или "не вечно" и я верну вам общие слова- все связано со всем. Если говорить конкретнее, то все политическое устройство современного мира основано на итогах Второй мировой войны или, как это называют у нас в России, Великая Отечественная Война или, другими словами, победы над фашистской Германией и ее союзниками. Плохо это или хорошо в данном случае не важно, важно что это пока так. Тут мы вплотную подходим к тому, что такое этот пресловутый "западный мейнстрим". Основная цель всего этого изменить политическое устройство мира. Продвинуть нечто, что они называют "порядок, основанный на правилах", где правило, по сути, должно быть одно: как сказал мировой гегемон, так и будет. В этом смысле очень важно снизить значение итогов этой войны, как причины современного политического мироустройства. Это делается всеми возможными средствами (замалчивания, фальсификации, переписывание истории) и, к сожалению, определенных успехов они добиваются. Я вспоминаю результаты некотрых опросов молодых людей в Америке. На вопрос кто победил во Второй мировой войне практически все говорят, что это США и почти никто не вспоминает об СССР. Подобные опросы в Японии(!) с вопросом кто применил ядерное оружие в Хиросиме и Нагасаки тоже шокируют своими результатами. Молодые люди или не знают, или говорят, что это сделал СССР и никто не говорит как было на самом деле. Вот это и есть результат усилий.
Насколько это пустые слова и ложные аргументы и в каком месте здесь присутствует пропаганда СССР, пусть люди делают вывод, а я здесь могу вас поздравить с "восточным мейнстримом". Я никогда такого не слышал и, соответственно вы автор. Можете запатентовать.

 

[Bluegazer]

So, all liquids are fluids, but not all fluids are liquids. Don't know if the same applies in 4D, but the fluid that the C's are talking about could be a gas.

Let's think about the electric current. In general, it is said to be a flow of charged particles. If we stick to the meaning of the words, where something has a flow, then it behaves like a fluid.

I remember the C's said in a session something about dna and superconductivity.

Where there is superconductivity, the flow of electrons occurs with almost no resistance....

 

[luc]

Good health-jitsu therefore should work on all levels. Lots of things can be effective, including all kinds of pills and powders, peptides and steroids, antibiotics, expensive technology such as HBOT, neurofeedback, zappers, some really whacky stuff, and much more.

Many of us have benefited from such things and we continue to push and research this area for a good reason.

That said, if you treat your physical body as *only* a 3d machine then I agree that you will certainly run into persistent un-fixable issues, and maybe even do more damage. A huge part of healing, protection and prevention work is mental/emotional, and a huge part also is "spiritual".

Yes, body and mind must go together, depend on each other, and interact with each other. Another reason why one size fits all approaches seldom exist: just as different physical conditions require different approaches, so too for different minds. Because of the interdependence of both, there are myriad variables.

I'm often amazed when I find out that something that was bothering me physically could be solved with changes in my mind. A trivial example is things like cortisol levels - if you constantly freak out because your mind constantly dwells on disaster, for instance, no supplements will help. You gotta change your mind.

But I'm ALSO often amazed when I find out stuff I thought were in my mind completely change or vanish because of physical treatment! It definitely goes both ways.

 

[cosmo_alex]

Great story.

One of the topics that I am currently interested in is the way of life of ancient man. That's why I study the Indians of North America. They seemed to have the least contact with the “gods.” And one gets the feeling that their thinking, way of life - everything is very close to what a person should be. Not absolutely, but I see something important in them. So here it is.

Can anybody tell me more about how the agricultural way of life influenced people's thinking and development? Maybe there was a transcript. Or someone will share their observations.

After all, it is interesting that hunting and gathering do not provide guarantees of surviving the winter, and agriculture and raising livestock quickly led to the creation of money, states and gave rise to the vices of civilization and thinking. I really want to understand what Cassiopeia and nearby sources say about this.

(My + Google translate)
Отличная запись. Одна из тем, которой я сейчас интересуюсь, это образ жизни древнего человека. Поэтому изучаю индейцев северной Америки. Они как будто меньше всего соприкасались с "богами". И создаётся ощущение, что их мышление, образ жизни - всё очень близко к тому, каким должен быть человек. Не абсолютно, но что-то важное в них вижу.
Так вот. Можете больше подсказать, как аграрный образ жизни повлиял на мышление и развитие людей? Может, была стенограмма. Или кто-то поделится своими наблюдениями. Ведь это интересно, что охота и собирательство не дают гарантий пережить зиму, а сельское хозяйство и выращивание скота быстро привело к созданию денег, государств и породило пороки цивилизации и мышления. Очень хочется понять, что об этом говорят Кассиопея и ближайшие источники.

 

[Akul]

I did not touch on the context of your statement, I was only affected by an incorrect and unfair definition, which I tried to show.

Why are you going beyond a mere correction of some definition, writing a whole narrative defending a STS psychopathic system?

I didn't talk about tyranny BECAUSE some people lived better than others. I was talking about how it is somewhat strange to call tyranny a state where tyrants live worse than those who are tyrannized.

To not have been a tyranny in which tens of millions have died, existed gulags and various forms of opression till this day...

This is a completely false statement and again the notorious "protruding ears of the Western mainstream", with the exception of just one word - corruption. The Soviet ideology, as a system of control and restriction, was no worse or better than any other. The Chinese won't let me lie. How can you not see? The collapse of the Soviet system did not happen for ideological reasons, but simply because the ruling elites were bribed. The Soviet Union was simply sold by its rulers and what rested on the influence of the Soviet Union immediately collapsed with it.

Here we come close to what this notorious "Western mainstream" is. The main goal of all this is to change the political structure of the world. To promote something they call a "rules-based order," where the rule, in fact, should be one thing: as the world hegemon said, so it will be. In this sense, it is very important to reduce the importance of the outcome of this war as the cause of the modern political world order. This is done by all possible means (silencing, falsification, rewriting history) and, unfortunately, they are achieving some success.

...putting the blame to the fall of the psychopathic system to a small group and an elite and specifically their corruption and not on the corrupt system and ideology itself. So typical.

...that the Soviet ideology as a system was no worse or better than any other - by comparing it to the worst of the worst likes of Nazi Germany and Mao's China where died and which caused deaths and else in similar and greater number of tens of millions of people. We are not even touching to issue of lack of freedom, censorship, political and ideological oppression and other silencing, falsfication and historical revisionism, poverty and many other issues in USSR.

Such a friendly and exemplary companionship to give USSR an impression of being a system of such integrity and idealism to the point you say in the same sentence "I don't want to portray the USSR as the best human formation that existed, probably not, but seeing what was happening on the "other side", I can't put it next to it" - as if there's any chance it could have been "the best human formation that existed". It is ridiculous even having in the same sentence "best" and "USSR". Do you even know how much is common to hear in the West such illusionary statements about the "ideal" communist countries? How the joke goes:

To what extent these are empty words and false arguments and in what place the propaganda of the USSR is present here, let people draw a conclusion,

Look at your wording.

and here I can congratulate you on the "eastern mainstream". I've never heard of such a thing and, accordingly, you are the author. You can patent it.

Thanks, but I am not interested in playing dichotomy games with "Western mainstream" ignoring the existence of its counterpart(s), as if there wasn't already division of the world order after the World War II and didn't happen the Cold War. If you wish to promote and propagate STS Eastern mainstream viewpoints capitalizing on the anti-Western mainstream rationalization and sentiments of others - good luck.

 

[Timótheos]

That's why they are asking people to put out-of-date medicines back into the pharmacy. People think it's so they can throw them away in secure containers, but the real reason is that the medicines are being recycled. So it's a good reason not to "give" these medicines to the pharmacy, but to keep them for ourselves, because maybe one day we'll need them. Or for other people in need of them.

Not sure about the laws for pharmacies in other countries, but in Canada this is definitely not true. People are asked to bring in their expired prescriptions, which are taken by the pharmacist and put into a big 5 gallon medical waste bucket, and when full, is picked up to be incinerated. It is illegal for pharmacists in Canada to dispense, reuse or sell any expired medicine.

That being said, the way I understand it, an expiry date on a medicine refers to the approximate date when that drug has lost more than 5% of its potency, which renders it below the minimum efficacious threshold in medical terms. The drug doesn't suddenly become ineffective or turn poisonous, and can still be up to 95% effective or less, gradually decreasing over time, which means they can be safely used for years after the printed expiry date.

So, with that in mind, it's best to save all your medicines regardless of the expiry date, as they will likely work well enough and may prove to be quite valuable in the future when more and more shortages start to appear.

 

[Stella Marys]

Thank you for sharing this new session! Many topics were covered and all of them important. Much food for thought. In fact, some interesting discussions are taking place in this thread. Thanks to all who are sharing their thoughts.

Thank you St. Pierre for joining this communion.

Thank you Grazielaia for your service. Nice name! Say hello to the other Cs for us!

Love to all!

 

[Joe]

in Canada this is definitely not true. People are asked to bring in their expired prescriptions, which are taken by the pharmacist and put into a big 5 gallon medical waste bucket, and when full, is picked up to be incinerated. It is illegal for pharmacists in Canada to dispense, reuse or sell any expired medicine.

I wonder if that policy will change if and when shortages occur. Maybe it has already changed in some areas.

 

[ImaPrototype]

The ivermectin tablets (6 mg) I bought have a production date of 04/2021 and are said to expire 03/2024. My questions would be similar to echo's.

The hydroxychloroquine of early 2022 expired in 05/2023.

On the subject of alibaba purchases I would like to ask our German members whether they have succeeded getting ivermectin through that channel since I personally couldn't get my deliveries from India past the customs office at Frankfurt airport at that time.

will be harder to import in most countries
you'd want to get the powder and declare something like "pathogen X 3000 killer" anything other than the malevolent ivermectin

 

[Puma]

The jellyfish entity phenomenon seen with new eyes

Q: (Approaching Infinity) Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp recently released a video from Iraq taken on a base in late 2017 of a strange jellyfish UFO that was visible only on thermal camera. It resembles many other videos people have taken over the years. The video itself has been confirmed as legitimate by a soldier who was stationed at the base who said they referred to it as the spaghetti monster. What was this object?

A: 4D energy being that feeds on human suffering

The Iraq jellyfish and an artistic interpretation of the object.

Now that the Cs have clarified the jellyfish UFO phenomenon as a 4D being or a probe, I have another perspective on the phenomena that happened in Mexico and that were identified at the time as the sighting of a witch and ghosts.

The following video I posted in the "Just weird videos" thread shows a group of stray dogs barking at an object that appears to be descending. The video says that the object appeared very close to the bank of the Coatepec river. We know that this kind of phenomena occupy bodies of water as portals.
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A video that was recorded on February 23, 2022 and that was released by the Mexican ufologist and journalist Jaime Maussan, shows the moment in which two alleged entities "descend" from the sky in the presence of three dogs that bark at them in San Vicente Chicoloapan, State of Mexico.

The video lasting just over two minutes, was recorded at one in the morning with 36 minutes by a security camera near the Coatepec River, and in it two strange formations can be seen, with a transparent appearance that slowly descend in what appears to be a dump while three stray dogs bark and run frightened by the event.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503827133021446146

By the way, Coatepec is a Nahuatl word that means "hill of snakes" There is a great tradition in Mesoamerican cultures for the worship of snakes as gods and we know that these gods were possibly the hyperdimensional 4D sts.​

Q: (L) It's like we see reptilians as reptilians, but that may not necessarily be what they look like to themselves, right?

(Andromeda) Because that's our interpretation of their essence.

(Niall) Even if it's the first time we encounter or see them...

Now, there have been several apparitions of witches in the state of Nuevo Leon, in northern Mexico.

In 2004, Leonardo Samaniego, a police officer in the State of Nuevo Leon, reported being attacked by a witch at 3:00 a.m.

While patrolling in one of the neighborhoods adjacent to Cerro de la silla (a hill shaped like a saddle) and near a cemetery, suddenly, something large and black fell from one of the trees, but, to his surprise, the mysterious object did not touch the ground, but fluttered slowly, revealing its monstrous witch shape in front of the car's headlights. The police officer said the witch had feathers and claws with which she scratched the windshield.​

(L) Since we are "wave reading consciousness units", we read waves. So that's what people are doing when they see jellyfish, they're reading the information...

The supposed witch attacked the windshield as if trying to catch the policeman, but he reversed and crashed at the end of the street, but not before calling for help on the radio. His companions found the car wrecked and Leonardo passed out, possibly more from fear than from the blow.

Shortly thereafter, Leonardo was interviewed by ufologist Jaime Maussan who showed him an artistic representation of the Flatwoods Monster and the policeman said that the image was very similar to what he saw.
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Representation of what Leonardo Samaniego saw today known as the Witch of Guadalupe Nuevo Leon.

Another case that caused a stir was the alleged witch that was sighted on May 17, 2006 by members of the UFO group Club Nuevo Leon. The group filmed the flight of a humanoid figure that they say changed color, from red to black, because of the shape of the head or top, they concluded that it was a hood or beaked hat as witches are commonly depicted.​

The witnesses were at the top of the Cerro de las Mitras, (another hill) located in the town of Monterrey (State of Nuevo Leon).

Were the witches and ghosts seen in Mexico a phenomenon similar to the Iraqi jellyfish UFO?

 

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Well then, my theme park is a virtual Noah's Ark with all the necessary animals: warmth, love/knowledge, awareness, compassion, tolerance, perspective, composure, stoicism (not afraid to die = relief because burden too heavy to bear otherwise)...in short, maybe we'll land on Mount "Russia". A very full session. Many thanks to you all.