Session 13 January 2024

[Joe]

(Joe) Light in the veins and stuff, something in the session, but I have to look it up.

Here's the reference I was thinking of.

April 8th 2000

[...]during the time Neanderthal man was on the Earth, did he live alongside Modern man?

A: Yes. Except modern type man was different then.

Q: In what ways?

A: DNA and psycho/electrical frequencies.

Q: Does this mean that their physical appearance was different from what we consider to be modern man?

A: Radiance.

Q: What do you mean "radiance?"

A: You find out!

Q: Oh, that's interesting. Well, there are legends that the Northern people had "light" in their veins. Very ancient belief. Is this what you are referring to?

A: Maybe.

Q: Was this light related to the hemoglobin level, the iron level in the blood?

A: Maybe.

Q: Did they have a much higher iron level in their blood?

A: Possibly....

 

[Akul]

It's all beautifully and scientifically written, but one phrase turns it all into dust and points to the Western mainstream.
I am a Soviet Russian, I was 23 when the Soviet Union collapsed, I had already served in the Soviet Army and such definitions cut my ears. What kind of tyranny are you talking about if we, ordinary residents of Russia, in your interpretation the main tyrants of eastern Europe, envied ordinary residents of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Yugoslavia, a little less Bulgaria and Romania, because in the ordinary everyday sense they all lived better than us? And even then it was clear that this is not because they are all smarter or better at work, but because all this is paid for by our resources. I fully agree that people in the West lived even better and these, in your interpretation of the tyrannized, did not have the opportunity to live the same way, i.e. there was some control. Yes, there was a leaky control, because if it were at least something worthwhile tyranny, then the events of 1956 and 1968 in Budapest and Prague simply could not have happened. Why did this control arise and was exist, or, in other words, how could it not arise, if we recall that all the countries of Eastern Europe, except Poland and Czechoslovakia occupied by the Germans, were allies of Nazi Germany during its attack on the USSR and participated in this attack.
I don't want to portray the USSR as the best human formation that existed, probably not, but seeing what was happening on the "other side", I can't put it next to it. If you like to call the influence of the Soviet Union tyranny, your will, but then what do you call what nazi Germany did on the territory of Belarus you mentioned, and can these things be equated at least approximately?

No, you're completely extrapolating and misinterpreting context of my short statement. I did not refer to the "ordinary residents" neither their somekind of envy for international ordinary residents. All this is your words and viewpoint and it is really intriguing why are you having and bringing up such an idea.

I was referring to the elite, politicians or politics as an objective. In the dictatorships the common people hardly have a major influence on the general inner and outer politics. Soviet Union was a political and military superpower, and Russia basically acted as the "Slavic motherland" for all the Eastern European countries. It controlled the politics and regime in the countries of Eastern Bloc with the exception of Yugoslavia (mostly). Dugin's fourth political theory and Russian's New World are basically the same, updated old ideologization - saying otherwise is pure naivety and ignorance. The "tyranny" was not about controlling other countries because ordinary people lived there better than ordinary people in Russia but because of geopolitical interests and nothing much else. If the USSR "rule" - and in general the marxist-socialist ideological framework and structures of power in all the countries - would have been better then there wouldn't have happen such a big and sudden disintergration of the whole Eastern Bloc (including Yugoslavia). It practically fell apart by itself inside, with the downfall starting already in the late 70s or early 80s. It was simply faulty ideology, faulty measures to keep the power structures, common existential dread and needs, corruption, low conscientiousness and spirituality of collective generations. If if the whole system didn't have any significant faults, due to the latter it probably would have happened the same generations afterwards. We are living in the period of quanitity not quality and nothing is much everlasting on these lower levels of conscientiousness and structures.

Nazi Germany is out of question here. Why are you even bringing it up? It is really misleading and pointless excusing the harsh politics and humanitarian, social and economical distaters that happened during the USSR period by brining into the Nazi Germany or "Western mainstream". This is Russian propaganda mechanism to make the Russian ordinary residents and others into accepting the dictatorial system and history which was heavily oppressive on people. Bringing up Nazi Germany or "Western mainstream" are only weasel words and strawman arguments to propagate USSR or "Eastern mainstream". Why would any such psychopathic STS power structures be of any kind of interests and usefulness for an individual/collective of "ordinary residents" aiming for the Work and else?

 

[echo]

The other thing to keep in mind is that rhinoviruses respond rather well to intranasal interferon alpha-2b. It is speculated that ivermectin works very well because it increases interferons, your innate immune system defense against viruses and cancer.

Interferon alpha-2b can shorten the days of disease or greatly reduce the impact of disease by rhinoviruses. In the West, there is no widely available intranasal interferon alpha-2b. But you can get it in this website that Laura quotes here: Obtaining some hard to get meds

They outsource stuff from Russia, and the Russians have used intranasal interferon for decades. What is more, they have interferon alpha-2b in suppositories, which work best than IV or IM interferon. The doses are provided under the product when you search "interferon" in their website.

If your budget is limited, then ivermectin from alibaba would be the way to go. You can get over 6500 doses of ivermectin for something between 20 or 50 dollars. Not bad at all!

So yeah, if you're prepared, you shouldn't worry about the lethality of this virus. It reminds me what the Cs said in a prior session, that it's not really the lab created viruses that we have to worry about, but the 4D STS space ones.

First of all, thanks to the Chateau crew for this session and the one from New Year's
Second, I would like to ask Dr Gaby: I bought those 6500 doses of powder Ivermectin 3 years ago, it has been sitting in my kitchen cupboard, do you think it can still be used? The bag has been opened but is folded up and closed.

 

[Carl]

II don't know about all these predictions, by the looks of it the Cs make them so sometimes they don't come true, or other times not at the timing or in the way we think. That also helps us to develop a non-anticipatory mind even so just in case it is better to be forewarned. If the PTB's think we are so stupid and also they are in/feel the rush to implement this wicked agenda, that's what makes them make gross mistakes.

A watched pot never boils, and predictions are incredibly hard to get right. This has become increasingly true over the past few years. The C's predictions are useful in that *if* something happens, you can look back and take heart at the message they delivered. But you can't look at their predictions and then be sitting around waiting for them to happen.

Disease X looks like a good example of this. With the WEF thing, the painfully obvious timing of the Paris Olympics, the C's predicting it, and nearly all alternative conspiracy media talking about it, I'd say the chances of it happening this year are vanishingly small.

It just doesn't seem to work that way. As soon as you feel like you have a grip on the future they change it. Nothing is solid and you're in a constant spinning kaleidoscope. Before 2020 we thought a real plague was coming from space. Turns out we got a fake bogus plague from a lab with lockdowns etc. for nothing.

When you're waiting for war to break out it just won't. When you're sure there's not gonna be a war, there will be. When everyone's waiting on the recession it just won't arrive, but as soon as they feel confident again, it will. When you think certainly the price of oil is going up, it will go straight down, as is currently happening .

Agree that it truly is rigorous training in being non anticipatory, taking each day as it comes, and accepting reality as it *is*, rather than our myopic view of what it should be.

The caveat is though, at some point things may accelerate so much that the "masters of the universe" become increasingly blatant, heavy handed and predictable in their actions. This also appears to be happening to some extent at least. So could be wrong on this one!

 

[Akul]

Q: What do you mean "radiance?"

A: You find out!

Q: Oh, that's interesting. Well, there are legends that the Northern people had "light" in their veins. Very ancient belief. Is this what you are referring to?

A: Maybe.

Q: Was this light related to the hemoglobin level, the iron level in the blood?

A: Maybe.

Q: Did they have a much higher iron level in their blood?

A: Possibly....

...

A: As yet unknown organic structure throughout the body carrying a different fluid other than blood or lymph that is related to light. Your ancestors glowed and transmitted light and power.

Q: (Joe) Was that related to the veins? They were talking about blue veins or the light coming from them... Wasn't there some session about it?

...

In the Tokien's work the High Elves (also the "firstborn" and kind of metaphorical ancestors to the humans) and the Istari like Gandalf are depicted of having/emitting an aura of lighting visible/sensible from distance, showing not only power, but lighting in the sense of consciousness, wisdom, knowledge, expansion and so on (STO) which are different than the dimming darkness/low light which are engulfing (STS).

 

[Carl]

Yes, as Laura said, a dead Presbyterian is just that, a dead Presbyterian. But lately The Cs told us that after the transfer from 3rd to 4th density happen, you won't automatically be aware of it. That for a number of people, possibly lacking the knowledge and awareness they will still be a transfer.
Question is, can a soul in 3rd density lacking the knowledge of level of density be transferred to a 4th. Is the knowledge a precondition or can awareness be acquired once transferred. I'm thinking that it can and that it is not necessary but I'm not sure.

When we look at someone like Caesar, basically a genius in all areas, a true leader, influencer and guide for 3d souls, it seems like that is the ideal 4d candidate, and that most of us fall very short of that ideal. It's certainly hard to imagine myself "graduating" tomorrow. To be honest I'm not sure I could get there in 1000 more years.

But it seems like networking could be, not a shortcut exactly, but an alternative route. Basically combining forces. This would be an interesting question for the C's if I can phrase it right.

Also good to remember that the densities are just a model and the reality is probably far more complex and nuanced.

 

[Jones]

Q: (gottathink) Older transcripts refer to a genetic alteration that caused truncated fluid flow. Is the fluid being referred to the cerebral spinal fluid?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well then that eliminates the next question, which was a follow up. What fluid flow is it?

A: As yet unknown organic structure throughout the body carrying a different fluid other than blood or lymph that is related to light. Your ancestors glowed and transmitted light and power.

Q: (Joe) Was that related to the veins? They were talking about blue veins or the light coming from them... Wasn't there some session about it?

(L) There was, there was something about it. I think we were talking about dancing once and they were talking about some kind of energy flow that came through the arms that allowed them to be able to levitate.

(Joe) Yeah, that was the spear-handed Maruts and stuff like that.

(L) Is that why, or the means by which, some odd people throughout history have been able to levitate because they had some genetic quirk that allowed this system to be operational?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I mean, just like some people can transmit healing power and so forth. So there's a whole other different thing that's going on in the body that people are not aware of. Is that because the fluid is something other than what we think of as fluid? It's more like...

(Andromeda) Energy?

(L) Yeah, or more like...

A: Difficult to explain since you don't have the concepts.

Q: (Joe) It's based on an unknown structure...

(L) A structure throughout the body that carries a fluid, or something like something like a fluid... Is it because it's not exactly like a fluid as we know it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is it something that's more like, say, a 4th density fluid?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And the structure itself is fourth density when it exists in the body?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And we have the potential for this if the DNA were to be upregulated?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Untruncated.

(L) Untruncated, yeah, and some rare individuals accidentally by genetic recombination have this...

It might help to clarify concepts by distinguishing between a liquid and a fluid:

At first blush, the terms “fluid” and “liquid” seem to describe the same thing. However, an important difference exists between them; liquid describes a state of matter--as do "solid" and "gaseous"--whereas a fluid is any substance that flows. Nitrogen gas, for example, is a fluid, whereas orange juice is both a liquid and a fluid. The distinction is useful for scientists and engineers who want to thoroughly understand how matter works.​

About Fluids. Scientists have developed precise definitions describing what they mean when they talk about fluids; this is necessary to avoid confusion. A fluid is a substance that lacks rigidity; it can flow from place to place and through holes or gaps in containers. Fluids also have viscosity, or “thickness.” Liquid water, for example, has much lower viscosity than honey or tar, and the thickness of a given substance is consistent. Jelly is an unusual fluid because its thickness depends on how hard you stir it. About Liquids
Liquid is the state of matter of a substance at temperatures and pressures intermediate between those of its solid and gas forms. It has no definite form and assumes the shape of any container that holds it; however, if the container’s volume is greater than the liquid’s, the liquid does not expand to fill the whole space, as a gas does. Like solids and unlike gases, liquids are relatively incompressible; that is, squeezing them does not make them smaller in volume.

So, all liquids are fluids, but not all fluids are liquids. Don't know if the same applies in 4D, but the fluid that the C's are talking about could be a gas.

 

[Altair]

Perhaps a Russian-language resource is needed, but this should not be perceived as an attempt at some kind of separation.

Yes, that's why we have an additional blog now dedicated to the topic of UFOs and paranormal:

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X-UFO.RU . Старый проект о таинственном, непознанном и паранормальном в России и СНГ. Только проверенные факты!

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Read more here.

As someone who also came here from Dreamland, I agree. As a minimum you can make the same table as for English transcripts on the forum

The table is created and will be updated regularly:

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[Saki]

Very grateful to all who participated with sharing knowledge, questions, comments, insights and humor, too. This session was highly educational, informative and thought provoking. The range of comments made me think of a song that may be appropriate for these times:

"For What It's Worth"
Buffalo Springfield 1966

There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down.

What a field day for the heat (Ooh ooh ooh)
A thousand people in the street (Ooh ooh ooh)
Singing songs and they carrying signs (Ooh ooh ooh)
Mostly say, "Hooray for our side" (Ooh ooh ooh)

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?
You better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?
You better stop
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?
You better stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?

 

[luc]

A: As yet unknown organic structure throughout the body carrying a different fluid other than blood or lymph that is related to light. Your ancestors glowed and transmitted light and power.

Q: (Joe) Was that related to the veins? They were talking about blue veins or the light coming from them... Wasn't there some session about it?

(L) There was, there was something about it. I think we were talking about dancing once and they were talking about some kind of energy flow that came through the arms that allowed them to be able to levitate.

(Joe) Yeah, that was the spear-handed Maruts and stuff like that.

(L) Is that why, or the means by which, some odd people throughout history have been able to levitate because they had some genetic quirk that allowed this system to be operational?

A: Yes.

Here's the reference I was thinking of.

This reminds me of what the "Munich Cosmic Circle" (around 1900) said about what they called "Blutleuchte" ("blood light" or "blood beacon"). Here's a bit about one of its members, Alfred Schuler, from Wikipedia:

At the end of the nineteenth century the Munich borough of Schwabing became the center of certain anti-bourgeois forces tending towards an interest in the occult, among which were found the secretive cult of the Blutleuchte ("Blood Beacon"). An occult circle (Munich Cosmic Circle) gravitating around Karl Wolfskehl, Alfred Schuler and Ludwig Klages developed a doctrine according to which the Occident was plagued by downfall and degeneration, caused by the rationalizing and demythologizing effects of Christianity, held to be responsible for the betrayal of life's primary forces. A way out of this desolate state could, according to the "Cosmic" view, only be found by a return to the pagan origins. No exact common ground did however exist, as to what this "homecoming" would entail.

Alfred Schuler and Ludwig Klages came to know each other in 1893.[note 1] They were, above all others, the leading personalities of the "Blutleuchte" and, with a few other 'initiates' such as Ludwig Derleth and the poet Karl Wolfskehl, the founders of this "occult circle". The first contact with Stefan George was established through Wolfskehl.

As clearly signalled by the name, "Blutleuchte", "Blood" and "Light" were to play an important role. With the historical "degeneration of the blood", held to be a sacred life elixir and a metaphysical substrate of souls, "truthful" life was seen as sinking into an ever more weakened state. And thus it was found to be necessary to lead this conception of the blood up to its former state of light and power, as it was thought to have been in heathen times thousands of years ago, and to some degree in antiquity. In the sign of the "Blood Beacon" and the swastika, its incarnate emblem, a healthy state of life were to be regained.

From a chosen few, among which they imagined themselves to be and in which the "untainted blood" was supposed to be still working its healthy influence, a reversal was thought to be possible. By the work of these chosen few, the "incarnation of the undying spark of a distant past" (L. Klages), the founding energies of the "cosmic solstice" were to be rekindled. The occult practices of the Blutleuchte was supposed to be a symbiosis of heathendom and "lordly leadership" in the service of a wayward humanity in need of a fundamental rebirth.

Now, these guys were a mixed bag, to say the least. But maybe they were unto something here. I haven't read the primary works (Ludwig Klages wrote extensively, for example), might check this out at some point.

 

[Akul]

This reminds me of what the "Munich Cosmic Circle" (around 1900) said about what they called "Blutleuchte" ("blood light" or "blood beacon"). Here's a bit about one of its members, Alfred Schuler, from Wikipedia:

At the end of the nineteenth century the Munich borough of Schwabing became the center of certain anti-bourgeois forces tending towards an interest in the occult, among which were found the secretive cult of the Blutleuchte ("Blood Beacon"). An occult circle (Munich Cosmic Circle) gravitating around Karl Wolfskehl, Alfred Schuler and Ludwig Klages developed a doctrine according to which the Occident was plagued by downfall and degeneration, caused by the rationalizing and demythologizing effects of Christianity, held to be responsible for the betrayal of life's primary forces. A way out of this desolate state could, according to the "Cosmic" view, only be found by a return to the pagan origins. No exact common ground did however exist, as to what this "homecoming" would entail.

Alfred Schuler and Ludwig Klages came to know each other in 1893.[note 1] They were, above all others, the leading personalities of the "Blutleuchte" and, with a few other 'initiates' such as Ludwig Derleth and the poet Karl Wolfskehl, the founders of this "occult circle". The first contact with Stefan George was established through Wolfskehl.

As clearly signalled by the name, "Blutleuchte", "Blood" and "Light" were to play an important role. With the historical "degeneration of the blood", held to be a sacred life elixir and a metaphysical substrate of souls, "truthful" life was seen as sinking into an ever more weakened state. And thus it was found to be necessary to lead this conception of the blood up to its former state of light and power, as it was thought to have been in heathen times thousands of years ago, and to some degree in antiquity. In the sign of the "Blood Beacon" and the swastika, its incarnate emblem, a healthy state of life were to be regained.

From a chosen few, among which they imagined themselves to be and in which the "untainted blood" was supposed to be still working its healthy influence, a reversal was thought to be possible. By the work of these chosen few, the "incarnation of the undying spark of a distant past" (L. Klages), the founding energies of the "cosmic solstice" were to be rekindled. The occult practices of the Blutleuchte was supposed to be a symbiosis of heathendom and "lordly leadership" in the service of a wayward humanity in need of a fundamental rebirth.

Now, these guys were a mixed bag, to say the least. But maybe they were unto something here. I haven't read the primary works (Ludwig Klages wrote extensively, for example), might check this out at some point.

Maybe am mistaken, and possibly some could feel offended, but could the ritual sacrifices of humans (and even cannibalism), and in Christanity's eucharist practice of "eating the body of Christ" and "drinking the blood of Christ" actually be, or at least echoes, some STS sinister necromancy degeneration?

 

[Akul]

Maybe am mistaken, and possibly some could feel offended, but could the ritual sacrifices of humans (and even cannibalism), and in Christanity's eucharist practice of "eating the body of Christ" and "drinking the blood of Christ" actually be, or at least echoes, some STS sinister necromancy degeneration?

Julius Caesar and Mithraism

First, as the saying goes, let's render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. The following article taps into some key ideas shared by Laura. Julius Caesar and Mithraism Mithraism has been lionized by generations of historians. In particular, Belgian historian Franz Cumont[1] who dominated...

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"Thank you very much for sharing it. So if I understood it correctly, the cult of Mithraism is the cult of reenacting the assassination of Julius Caesar, which if he was the inspiration for Paul's Christ... it's the constant killing of the principles which Paul was attempting to convey to humanity, correct?"

"Exactly! This reenactment / celebration is still going on today under other covers. Literally satanic. At a human level, a manifestation of the destructive nature of 4D STS."

Julius Caesar and Mithraism

Pierre vous êtes passionnant, je reconnais votre intelligence supérieure et vous suis infiniment reconnaissante de la partager avec nous... Je me suis permis de faire un copier/coller de votre article en Français que je relierai avec plaisir, à loisir pour mieux m'en imprégner... UN GRAND MERCI...

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"In the Catholic tradition, we cannibalize the body of Christ. This act is called Eucharist and the origin is, supposedly, the last supper"

And it’s interesting that the bull represents virility in several cultures, manliness and strength of will. Without a will to resist, we’re more than willing slaves.

But also, this whole tendency to label everything as toxic masculinity, and feminizing society, kind of takes on a different meaning when viewed through the lens of Mithras.

And it works it’s magic in society by hooking itself on the most compassionate and empathic aspects of that masculinity. By creating guilt with twisted logic.

The other interesting aspect is that the bull in the ritual, much as it happened with Caesar, cannot be met head on, it had to be betrayed, lured in with false promises and then betrayed and murdered in cold blood.

An abyss indeed.

So the question is, could all this practices, more or less, actually be a reference to the STS "cannibalization" of the blood light (both materialistically and what it represents as an energy/virtue)?

 

[Persej]

I remember a phrase from a movie (I don't remember what movie specifically) that said: "You build it and they will come!"

I think it's about putting all the Cassiopaeas material in Russian.

Translate more!

The phrase comes from the Field of Dreams, where different people were drawn to the baseball field for different reasons. I think this also applies to Laura's work. Some people, like me, were drawn to her through UFO and supernatural research. But not everybody. Some people might be drawn to her because of her research on psychopathy. Some people might be drawn to her because of her research on religion. Some people might be drawn to her because of her research on Gurdjieff. Or health, or whatever...

So when working on our translations, I always think about the fact that I want to have something for everybody. Perhaps this is also something that you can use in your Russian translation work. Do you have something (nobody can have everything) for every aspect of Laura's work, or this group in general? If not, then what can you translate to fill those holes?

 

[Carl]

Sometimes I wonder if taking powdered derivatives isn’t somewhat counterproductive and even addictive, both psychologically as well as biophysically. Sure take it to offset an imbalance but you have to address the source of the imbalance, not just take supplements forever until you die unless it is absolutely necessary.

The indication we have unseen bodily systems that can heal and nourish us is very empowering. The reliance on physical 3D potions, mixtures and concoctions can be positive but it is also another sort of despiritualization and locking into the physical realm.

Amplifying these unrealized bodily systems with awareness is a good thing: an inherent power we have that may be cosmic in nature and beyond the hybridization and manipulation efforts of the planetary gulag system managers.

Unless you are a very special case of supreme mind-over-matter ability (someone like Wim Hof comes to mind, but even he has major issues), I would advise against the idea that you can simply upgrade your consciousness and download your way to health and happiness.

I agree that in much of the health and biohacking space there is an over-focus on all kinds of physical pills, potions and technological solutions, but this doesn't mean all that is necessarily bad. After all, we are under constant onslaught of bad JuJu which includes physical poisons, electromagnetics, brain wave alterations, so many documented physical disruptors of healthy hormonal and neurochemical balance.. etc.

Good health-jitsu therefore should work on all levels. Lots of things can be effective, including all kinds of pills and powders, peptides and steroids, antibiotics, expensive technology such as HBOT, neurofeedback, zappers, some really whacky stuff, and much more.

Many of us have benefited from such things and we continue to push and research this area for a good reason.

That said, if you treat your physical body as *only* a 3d machine then I agree that you will certainly run into persistent un-fixable issues, and maybe even do more damage. A huge part of healing, protection and prevention work is mental/emotional, and a huge part also is "spiritual".

 

[Ursus Minor]

First of all, thanks to the Chateau crew for this session and the one from New Year's
Second, I would like to ask Dr Gaby: I bought those 6500 doses of powder Ivermectin 3 years ago, it has been sitting in my kitchen cupboard, do you think it can still be used? The bag has been opened but is folded up and closed.

The ivermectin tablets (6 mg) I bought have a production date of 04/2021 and are said to expire 03/2024. My questions would be similar to echo's.

The hydroxychloroquine of early 2022 expired in 05/2023.

On the subject of alibaba purchases I would like to ask our German members whether they have succeeded getting ivermectin through that channel since I personally couldn't get my deliveries from India past the customs office at Frankfurt airport at that time.