Session 13 January 2024

[ApotheosisMMC.]

Your interpretation is also valid (if you adhere to the idea that alchemy is just a psychological discipline and flowery talk that alludes to the oniric/internal world).
It must be taken into account that each discipline has a context, a language that is its own (in addition to an internal representation system). And in the case of alchemical literature it is equivocal, multiple interpretations are allowed (mind, matter, psyche, energy).

I give a case: Fulcanelli, in his books he gives the recipe for a "particular." I know a couple of Brothers who brought it to a happy outcome.
And in fact, he has fragmented his Great Work (material operation) along the route of each cathedral. And he has shouted that Antimony is NOT the material of the Work ("his" Work).
What no one can understand is WHY his "disciple" Canseliet turned to the Dry Way of Antimony (starry martial regulus). One wonders if your Master says something clearly, why contradict him? In the case of Patrick Rivière (a disciple of E. Canseliet), he taught operative alchemy & spagyrics, and exhibited videos of him performing physical transmutations with the "Fire Stone" of Basilius Valentin (the supposed "teacher" of Fulcanelli)

Then, it is possible to apply it as a personal development system, or an operational practice. It is not exclusive: each one applies it in the internal, external or metaphysical world. I take it as the practical application of an esoteric teaching.
For example, the idea of "dew" can also be read as vulgar urine, or the Earth's "inspiration/breathing" process, from which some interesting salt can be harvested..
I wouldn't recommend drinking the unfiltered dew, nowadays (500 years after "Mutus Liber") there is a lot of pollution, bugs, etc. Although there are reports of French peasants who have prolonged their lives past 100 by drinking dew every morning, I would not dare to suffer from severe diarrhea (as a colleague told me).

In my personal case, I have collected "November dew". Not from May, because here in the southern hemisphere the seasons are inverted, so you see that the operation must be adapted to local conditions...
Hug

Everything related to alchemy is not of my interest, but when I thought about what you said about dew water I started to think.

Basically dew water is distilled water and today there are devices that use distilled water in their operation and no other kind of water.

They are air humidifiers.

The health properties are evident in the use of these devices and they require distilled water to avoid bacteria and minerals in the air to breathe.

When those exclusive books were written, the best distilled water would be dew (nowadays too if everything wasn't contaminated).

It is fascinating to read about those topics that you talk about and not understand anything (and I don't care if I understand it).

I think it is a metaphor for something that occurs externally in the dew that can also occur in a similar way internally in the human body (it has to do with electromagnetic-sound phenomena)... in this case it would not be necessary to collect or drink the Dew.

 

[xahyr]

I think it is a metaphor for something that occurs externally in the dew that can also occur in a similar way internally in the human body (it has to do with electromagnetic-sound phenomena)... in this case it would not be necessary to collect or drink the Dew.

I agree, as I commented above, it all depends on the interpretative framework. What we know as alchemy may be a remnant (corrupted or adulterated) of a lost knowledge of the Golden Age....
My personal approach is quantitative and practical.

The dew is not the matter itself, but what it carries in its womb. It is necessary to catch the little fish that swims in the Philosophical Sea... Adept Fulcanelli uses in his Work the salt of the dew (in the proportions he describes). I know a couple of people who claim to have followed Ariadne's Thread and have penetrated the labyrinth of his two famous books and reproduced the process that is fragmented into pieces. For me, that is enough. Everything that is reproducible and works is ok. If it doesn't, it's no good....
As I understand it, most of the books and treatises on alchemy have to be thrown away (they are useless), or they only serve to dazzle people like C. Jung who in turn absorbed it into their own frame of thought, and started talking about weird things like the collective unconscious.... He may have been inspired by the allegorical system of representation in some of the works of the Middle Ages, but that is NOT alchemy. (He went off topic.)

Sounds interesting what you say! What would the EM/Sound thing be like? Is it a kind of technology to be developed? Can it be applied in an active meditation? What can you say about that?
Hug.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

I agree, as I commented above, it all depends on the interpretative framework. What we know as alchemy may be a remnant (corrupted or adulterated) of a lost knowledge of the Golden Age....
My personal approach is quantitative and practical.

The dew is not the matter itself, but what it carries in its womb. It is necessary to catch the little fish that swims in the Philosophical Sea... Adept Fulcanelli uses in his Work the salt of the dew (in the proportions he describes). I know a couple of people who claim to have followed Ariadne's Thread and have penetrated the labyrinth of his two famous books and reproduced the process that is fragmented into pieces. For me, that is enough. Everything that is reproducible and works is ok. If it doesn't, it's no good....
As I understand it, most of the books and treatises on alchemy have to be thrown away (they are useless), or they only serve to dazzle people like C. Jung who in turn absorbed it into their own frame of thought, and started talking about weird things like the collective unconscious.... He may have been inspired by the allegorical system of representation in some of the works of the Middle Ages, but that is NOT alchemy. (He went off topic.)

Sounds interesting what you say! What would the EM/Sound thing be like? Is it a kind of technology to be developed? Can it be applied in an active meditation? What can you say about that?
Hug.

Look at my couple of comments on page 31 of this thread (one of them long) where I am largely guided by the analysis of the mutus liber by Canseliet.

 

[Voyageur]

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) announced today the completion of its acquisition of Arena Pharmaceuticals, a clinical stage company developing innovative potential therapies for the treatment of several immuno-inflammatory diseases.
Arena’s pipeline also includes two development-stage cardiovascular assets: temanogrel for microvascular obstruction and Raynaud's phenomenon secondary to systemic sclerosis, and APD418 for acute heart failure.

Right, that was acquired December 13, 2021 before the mass rollup you sleeve to win mandates, or coercion rollouts (based on pre-trials as a business risk analysis - a go get em both ways).

Arena (with Aristea as a partner) closed the deal for near 7 billion, and not long after:

Pfizer kicks newly acquired meds out of Arena as part of midstage cleaning

Pfizer has taken the broom to three midstage medicines from the acquisition of Arena Pharmaceuticals, deciding that etrasimod alone was worthy of the biotech’s $6.7 billion price tag. | Pfizer is axing a handful of midstage medicines, most of which stemmed from the company's acquisition of Arena...

www.fiercebiotech.com

Pfizer immediatly:

scooped up Arena for $6.7 billion in December 2021, the start of an aggressive acquisition spree that’s included Global Blood Therapeutics, Biohaven and, of course, Seagen. Pfizer said on Tuesday’s earnings call that nonetheless, it remains “active in the M&A market.

Pfizer took out a and swept away all but one focus, as Arena stated of its partner:

Aristea dissolved in February after suddenly announcing it was ending the development of the asset to “protect patient safety.” Arista had been developing the drug as a treatment for two separate skin conditions, palmoplantar pustulosis and hidradenitis suppurativa. All the treatments that Pfizer elected to discontinue were in phase 2 development.

and the focus came down to:

The decision to skip other projects that Arena arrived with means that Pfizer is pushing all of its chips toward etrasimod, an inflammatory pipeline {more on that with their new their product} in and of itself. The med is currently in development for five diseases, with an approval application for ulcerative colitis under review by U.S. and European regulators.

etrasimod goes by the trade name VELSIPITY, like serendipity one might suppose.

What could go wrong?

The have a proviso:

It is also important to:​

• Review vaccination records to ensure immunizations are up to date with current guidelines. {Pfizer's so-called vaccine of course}

and a list of warnings.

Do not take VELSIPITY if you:

• have had a heart attack, chest pain (unstable angina), stroke or mini stroke (transient ischemic attack or TIA), and certain types of heart failure requiring hospitalization in the last 6 months
• have or have had a history of unusual heartbeats (arrhythmia) that is not corrected by a pacemaker

Good to know.

Officially:

Pfizer Mission Statement​

“Our mission is to become the world’s most valued company to [patients, customers] {these two might meet the below motto criteria}, colleagues, investors, [business partners] {government taxpayers have been absolutely the best partners}, and the communities where we work and live.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787943360486895838

A new motto perhaps: With promises from enforced covid despair, we offer future repair. Trust us!

 

[Gwenllian]

Interesting. It seems that Russians have another product that increases interferons:

I found a few more products that are also ("homeopathic") antivirals like Ergoferon and Anaferon, but they seem to work differently, yet have an effect on the system of interferons:

[Immunotropic properties of anaferon and anaferon pediatric] - PubMed

Anaferon and pediatric anaferon based on release-active antibodies to interferon-gamma (R-A antibodies to INF-gamma) proved to be efficient in the treatment of many viral infections. Immunomodulating (immunotropic) properties of the drugs were revealed in the preclinical studies at many Russian...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract​

Anaferon and pediatric anaferon based on release-active antibodies to interferon-gamma (R-A antibodies to INF-gamma) proved to be efficient in the treatment of many viral infections. Immunomodulating (immunotropic) properties of the drugs were revealed in the preclinical studies at many Russian and foreign research medical institutions and are reviewed herein. Anaferon and pediatric anaferon stimulated the humoral and cellular immune responses and increased the neutrophil and macrophage activity. The crucial mechanism of the immunotropic action of R-A antibodies to INF-gamma was the effect on the system of interferons and in particular on INF-gamma and functionally conjugated cytokines, resulting in normalization of the functional activity of the innate factors of the immune defense and increasing of the antiviral action. The broad spectrum of the immunotropic activity provided the success of anaferon and anaferon pediatric for more than 10 years in the treatment and prophylaxis of the diseases associated with disorders in the immune system functional state.

Abstract​

The narrow range of choice and virus resistance to the most common drugs require search and introduction of new drugs with proven efficacy and safety for the treatment of influenza. Ergoferon is a new combined medicine containing release active antibodies to interferon-gamma (anti-IFNgamma), CD4-coreceptor and histamine. The formulation influences various links of antiviral defense and provides antiinflammatory effect. The efficacy of the drug is related to its production process during which multiple reduction of the initial concentration of every component leads to release of special release activity. Previous experimental studies showed that anti-IFNgamma had antiviral activity against pandemic influenza virus A (H1N1) 2009 comparable to that ofoseltamivir (suppression of virus replication in the lung tissue, increase of the lifespan and reduction of the laboratory animals mortality). The aim of the multicentre randomized clinical trial was to compare (versus oseltamivir) the efficacy and safety of ergoferon in the treatment of influenza in adults. 213 patients with flu-like symptoms were examined in 8 medical centres of Russia during two epidemiological seasons (2010-11 and 2011-12). The inclusion criteria were: the first 48 hours after the onset; fever > or =37.8 degrees C, at least one common symptom and at least one respiratory symptom. Influenza was confirmed in 52 patients by QuickVue rapid diagnosis. 23 patients received ergoferon according to the treatment scheme and 29 received oseltamivir (daily dose 150 mg). Duration of the treatment was 5 days. The patients were followed up for 7 days. The primary endpoint was the percentage of the patients with the body temperature normalization for 2-5 days of the treatment. The maximum efficacy of ergoferon was observed on the second day of the treatment: almost half (48%) of the initially febrile patients had normal body temperature (versus 28% in the patients treated with oseltamivir). The comparison of the two groups of the patients by the morning and evening measurements of the body temperature every five days of the treatment by Cochran-Mantel-Haenszel revealed a significant difference between the two groups (chi2 = 7.1; p = 0.008). The average duration of the fever in the group of ergoferon was 2.3 +/- 1.2 days, in the group of oseltamivir--2.6 +/- 1.3 days (the efficacy of oseltamivir in the present study was comparable with the previously published data). The percentage of the patients treated with antipyretics because of hyperthermia on the second day of the treatment lowered 3 times and amounted to 17% (versus 41% in the oseltamivir group). The severity of common and respiratory symptoms (nose/throat/chest) significantly decreased on the third day of the treatment in both groups, the majority of the patients had either minimum severity or no signs of influenza. The clinical improvement was associated with positive changes in the life quality. No cases of the disease aggravation were recorded. Complications requiring antibiotic treatment or hospitalization were not observed during the followup. There were no adverse events recorded due to the drug use. No deviations in the laboratory indices were stated. Ergoferon is a new safe drug for the treatment of influenza. Its clinical efficacy was comparable to that of oseltamivir. The therapeutic effects of the drug were evident from: significant reduction of the disease severity, duration of febricity and general toxicity and respiratory flu symptoms, lower percentage of the patients with fever for 2 days. The febrile period in most of the patients did not exceed 2 days.

[Ergoferon and oseltamivir in treatment of influenza: results of multicentre randomized comparative clinical trial] - PubMed

The narrow range of choice and virus resistance to the most common drugs require search and introduction of new drugs with proven efficacy and safety for the treatment of influenza. Ergoferon is a new combined medicine containing release active antibodies to interferon-gamma (anti-IFNgamma)...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

FWIW.

 

[lilies]

Q: (irjO) In the book "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Brian Weiss, basically describes the journey of how he, being a moderate psychiatrist, discovered the process of reincarnation through patients under hypnosis

Met my engineer colleague in recent years and he asked me wondering, why is his son not interested in marriage and having children?
- Oh, he noticed! - I thought silently with an internal sigh..
Told him that this 'computer generation' is playing too many videogames and missing social meeting opportunities, so they become the famous shut-in / Hikikomori:

"pulling inward, being confined"), also known as severe social withdrawal,[1][2][3][4][5] is total withdrawal from society and seeking extreme degrees of social isolation and confinement.[6] Hikikomori refers to both the phenomenon in general and the recluses themselves, described as loners or "modern-day hermits".[7]

..to be ever interested in marriage.

What I did think and not told him, not to shock him and not to make myself look crazy, is that this generation of mine - around 50 years old - must be feeling instinctively the world-ending-catastrophe. Thus see no point in marriage. Why create children, when they will die horribly? Our daughter (maybe son) would be 25 years old today and she would not see her 35th birthday. We ended our [from my part supremely thoughtful] childless marriage in 1998.

Current baby-making generation - when I see small kids nowadays - I always think they are carried by the 'River of Life' into the Niagara fall.

I told my young artist colleague in 2011 that there was a movie last year - 2010 -, where Michael Douglas - veteran Wall Street trader - tells his "young titan" apprentice:

- You're all pretty much f*cked. You don't know it yet,
but you're the NINJA generation. No income. No job. No assets.

that was prophetic.

Essentially I think that my generation - and the younger souled - feels instinctively the incoming alien invasion and the extermination of the homo sapiens race.

 

[Ricardo]

Met my engineer colleague in recent years and he asked me wondering, why is his son not interested in marriage and having children?
- Oh, he noticed! - I thought silently with an internal sigh..
Told him that this 'computer generation' is playing too many videogames and missing social meeting opportunities, so they become the famous shut-in / Hikikomori:



..to be ever interested in marriage.

What I did think and not told him, not to shock him and not to make myself look crazy, is that this generation of mine - around 50 years old - must be feeling instinctively the world-ending-catastrophe. Thus see no point in marriage. Why create children, when they will die horribly? Our daughter (maybe son) would be 25 years old today and she would not see her 35th birthday. We ended our [from my part supremely thoughtful] childless marriage in 1998.

Current baby-making generation - when I see small kids nowadays - I always think they are carried by the 'River of Life' into the Niagara fall.

I told my young artist colleague in 2011 that there was a movie last year - 2010 -, where Michael Douglas - veteran Wall Street trader - tells his "young titan" apprentice:


that was prophetic.

Essentially I think that my generation - and the younger souled - feels instinctively the incoming alien invasion and the extermination of the homo sapiens race.

Moreover there's also "learned helplessness " thoroughly enforced worldwide, arguably , but anywhere in the "west" why bring children into a system designed and maintained to breed / keep humans in fear/slavery .

 

[Wandering Star]

Moreover there's also "learned helplessness " thoroughly enforced worldwide, arguably , but anywhere in the "west" why bring children into a system designed and maintained to breed / keep humans in fear/slavery .

Well, if your parents had not brought you, we would not be able to enjoy your wisdom.

 

[Ricardo]

Divinity provides i guess , tho i'm merely a fool

 

[Wandering Star]

Divinity provides i guess

Well, look, I think that without thinking too much about it, you have said something important here and that it responds very well to lilies' post.

 

[Nicholas]

The timing of Barabar caves are attributed to Mauryan emperor Ashoka's period (261 BC) because of some inscriptions of his time. This appropriation of the old monuments by the emperors is nothing new. But unfortunately it is hard to prove the dates.

If Barabar caves are done by 4D STS what about Lot complex structures at Ajanta and Ellora caves which contains monuments of Buddhists and Hindus?.

It is suggested Initial Hindu Idol's are from Buddhists of Mauryan period (around 322 to 185 BC.) who supposed to have built The Buddhas of Bamiyan in modern day Afghanistan (that was part of Mauryan empire of the time). In Vedic religion, there is no idol worship. I think finger prints like this goes different directions.

• It was well documented that Founder of Mauryan empire Chandragupta Maurya met Alexander the great when he was young and inspired by him. As per C's, alexander was manipulated not to invade India. Few years or decades later, Mauryan empire started over previous Gupta Empire.

24-june-2023

This ties into one of my previous question. Thought process at that time is this.

If current Hinduism is from Vedic religion of the invaded/migrated Kurgan Aryans ( 2nd Millennium BCE) and they don't have idol worship and the necessity of to come from some where else. That is from locals (remnants of Indus Valley Civilization+ other locals) though Brahminism borrowed the initial idol worship from Buddhism. That leads to cause of the "vulnerability" of the locals (that can be traced to current Ram Temple saga.)

24-june-2023

How earlier is that? It has to be before 4098 BCE (Start of Mohenjo Daro). Sure, they can be later than 4098 BCE too, but "much earlier" pointing older than that. Some body suggested it is during Atlantean times.

Add this to Mohenjo Daro 22-october-1994

20-october-1994

That is (4098BCE to 1071 BCE). The end of it coincides with 1100 BCE comet impact (End of Bronze age) that became for the inspiration of Mahabharat and Illiad and the creators obviously used elements of very old stories for posterity. Probably these Troy stories are carried to Greece by these "Sea people"

C's also mentioned that people from Indus Valley Civilization are air lifted to some other planet. From the current session

Here is a wonderful documentary on the Barabar caves. It really shows the sophistication used in the construction that continues to baffle experts.

 

[lilies]

documentary on the Barabar caves. It really shows the sophistication used in the construction that continues to baffle experts.

Looks like imitations of Lizzie / Orion STS cigar shaped UFOs. First the entrances look like super-hi-tech hatches / bulkhead doors on a heavy, shiny, alien-metal outer ship hull.
Varo edition of UFO - here is the direct book download link - talks about Force Cutters: (capitalization by original author)

HOWEVER, if these HUGE STONE BLOCKS WERE FORCE CUT BY FORCE-CUTTERS, THEN, END TO END, SIDE FOR SIDE THEY WOULD "MATCH" PERFECTLY WHEN CUT FROM SAME QUARRY. BOTH WAYS WERE USED. A SHORT-CUT LATER USED WAS ROCK-WELDING. ROCK-WELDING, IE. MOLECULAR-ELECTRONIC-FIELD BLENDING Was used as the signs of the Great War approached as an Emergency speed-up Measure.

These shiny cave rooms spookily resemble "abduction-class" UFO ship compartments, that would contain the hi-tech equipment / implant-insertion machinery, cold operating tables that abductees have been talking about for decades. Technologically the rooms look way too precise for old - near after iron age - human civilizations. Flatness tests - instruments you see on above video - are unsurprising for Lizzie Force Cutter tech and they were not needed to be too precise, I think.
It looks like they were made by force-cutters or an old imitation of that technology. Maybe Lizzies wanted sacrifice sites or various resting rooms, maybe just to store sensitive bi-density equipment and portals could be easily established in these rooms, it appears. So they could come and go as they wanted.

I think the wall material also speaks miles. Probably an insulator toward the outside and a perfect EM properties carrier for Lizzie tech on the inside.

These rooms look like ideal - most convenient - Lizard body heat regulator places:

The study also suggested that real lizards use a clever mix of carefully selecting habitats with certain temperatures (thermoregulating) when habitat temperatures are very warm or cold, while using the habitat much like the random walking model lizard the rest of the time.
Working out how much of a lizard's behavior is related to controlling its body temperature has been a goal of scientists for a long time. It's even more important now as climate change alters the temperatures in lizard habitats.

I think if any of us here were abducted and unconsciously we harbor memories of our operations inside Lizzie UFOs, we should recognize these caves for what they are. Imitations of Orion STS ship compartments and / or same [Lizzie-]purpose rooms on the surface. When they felt they are convenient in human-worshiped cities. I think a clear sign of these physical abduction-memories would be a slowly welling up panic = PTSD, from the past.

 

[seek10]

Here is a wonderful documentary on the Barabar caves. It really shows the sophistication used in the construction that continues to baffle experts.

Interesting video with all that high tech measurements. what is interesting is the effect of this construction is that can induce trance states.

Though British Indology sets Vedas at 2nd Millennium BCE and C's seems to be suggesting that compilation was going on 16000 BCE ( As per Vedveer Arya Indian Chronology book). This opens up a "ocean" ( 2nd Millennium BCE to 16000 BCE ) to fill. In fact all sorts of Sanskrit texts exist on all sorts of subjects which normally dumped as not worthy for consideration as they have some conflicting information to reconstruct the timelines. Vedveer Arya wrote some curious paragraph related to the caves. He puts the date to around 3000 BCE based on his own chronology ( 3 books and thousands of "date" entries)

The Date of Old Lomaśa (Romaka) Siddhānta (7300-6800 BCE) and the Saptarṣi Cycle (6777 BCE) of Paitāmaha Siddhānta Rishi Lomaśa (Romaśa) was the founder of Lomaśa, Romaśa or Romaka Siddhānta. Seemingly, the word “Romaśa” was also pronounced as Romaka. The Mahābhārata indicates that Rishi Lomaśa was born in the beginning of Vaivasvata Manvantara and he was the contemporary of
Arjuna (11125 BCE) of the Jaiminīya Aśvamedha era. Most probably, his descendants were also known as Lomaśas. There was also a Lomaśa Rishi during the Mahābhārata era who escorted the Pandavas on the great pilgrimage. Barabar Hills near to Gaya in Magadha have two caves known as Lomaśa and Sudāma caves. Apparently, these two caves belong to the Mahābhārata era { around 3000 BCE}. It appears that the disciples of Lomaśa Rishi came to be known as Ajīvikas in the post-Mahābhārata era.

Rāmāyaṇa and Yoga Vāsiṣṭha also refer to Lomaśa Rishi. According to legends, Riṣyaśriṅga cursed Vedic King Parīkśit (11050 BCE) for his sinful conduct against Rishi Lomaśa. The legends of Kākabhuśunḍī also refer to Lomaśa Rishi. Evidently, the descendants of Lomaśa, known as Lomaśa or Romaśa, flourished from the beginning of Vaivasvata Manvantara (11200 BCE) to the Mahābhārata era (3162 BCE). The Romaśa who introduced the cycle of 2850 years was a later descendant of Romaśa lineage and he might have lived around 7300-6800 BCE. The necessity of an additional intercalary month in the cycle of ninety-five years was envisaged around 7300-6800 BCE after 2850 years starting from 10200-10100 BCE. It seems the Vedic list of Nakśatras was reset, starting from Rohiṇī around 10200 BCE, because winter solstice was shifted from Mrigaśirā to Rohiṇī.

C's already said Mohenjo Daro city is lizard creation and existed between 4098 - 1071 BCE and they also said Aryan invasion into India happened around 6000 BCE. What is interesting Barabar caves falls during Indus Valley period that is mainly focused on North West of Indian subcontinent. No land stays without population or some growth for a long time and it is reasonable to assume lot of people existed ( mix of Aryans and local Dravidians ) in other places including these Barabar caves (Northern state of Bihar) which are located much East to Indus Valley civilization.

(seek10) The C’s mentioned gypsies are gene spliced with an alien race, humanoid and Atlantean drone workers. Did this happen in the Indus Valley civilization region and period?

A: No, it was much earlier. Refugees migrated there.

Q: (seek10) If the Indus Valley civilization peoples are into genetic modification, is the current Indian tendency for rituals the remnant of it through the Dravidian lineage?

A: Yes, but see previous answer also.

It looks some genetic tweaking are done for the purpose of ritual tendencies. Most probably during Atlantean times. So these monuments are "means" to promote those rituals. Probably it is true for most of the Indian religious monuments of grandeur nature.

 

[Bastian]

Hello.
While reading again this session, I notice a major mistake/confusion of dates here :

Session Date: January 13th 2024
(...)
(seek10) When did Indian plate get connected to Eurasian plate? Is it 70K years ago or after that?

A: Close enough.

According to mainstream geology, the magnitude order is more probably tens of millions years.
There are different hypothesis about it, but the numbers given are between 55 (or 70), and 10 million years.
So long before humans existed on Earth in general, and India/Nepal/Tibet in particular !

Check for instance this :

Paleogeography of the India–Asia collision system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(and in French this : Collision Inde-Asie — Wikipédia )

Or for more details, this scientific paper :

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825216302033

Consequently, the following ideas are fanciful :

• To make simplistic guess( w.r.t timeline changes), there is a timeline changes after Kantek destruction 80 KYA before 50KYA( that's why C's mentioned the date of 80KYA). That makes timeline of Sanskrit Society that wrote Book of Enoch before 80KYA.
• But, that comes with a BIG caveat. Indian plate is not even at the current location 70KYA back. It is floating some where in the Indian Ocean ( or part of Pangea) between 70KYA ( simplistic guess) at the time of Book of Enoch writing (before 80KYA).
  • C's say planet went in to 4D around 70KYA (temporarily) where lithosphere is malleable that makes it easy breaking of it and forming the new continental plates and breaking.
    • But when something goes into 4D and comes back to 3D, will it come back exactly same orientation? Related to missing 411 people cases, coming back from other densities/dimensions, orientations can get flipped. But here we are talking about large scale planets, will that happen? Probably not. The entire continental drift theory is based on patterns of fossils across different plates before separation. So Indian plate was floating around pacific ocean or as a part of Pangea before 70KYA and some Sanskrit society living in it, who wrote 'Book of Enoch'. that leads to few more question.
      • I am not still convinced that pangea is one continent before 70KYA. It is too odd given the billion years history of life on the planet. Some other mechanism must have been there, which we don't know yet. But, I will go with the line of thought that there is a once continent called Pangea before 70KYA.
      • Did Parantha's live on the land before 80KYA?
        • If Paranthas lived on Indian plate before 80KYA, Did they use Sanskrit? It has to be as C's used the word 'Sanskritian Society'
        • But, the current Dravidian and Australasian languages are very different from Sanskrit, though there are many mixing of words.
          • Did the language change happened after 50KYA nuclear War? It was mentioned in the recent C's sessions, language can change hands(or mouths) and we can't trace it back races based on the language.

 

[Wandering Star]

Hello.
While reading again this session, I notice a major mistake/confusion of dates here :

According to mainstream geology, the magnitude order is more probably tens of millions years.
There are different hypothesis about it, but the numbers given are between 55 (or 70), and 10 million years.
So long before humans existed on Earth in general, and India/Nepal/Tibet in particular !

Check for instance this :

Paleogeography of the India–Asia collision system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(and in French this : Collision Inde-Asie — Wikipédia )

Or for more details, this scientific paper :

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825216302033

Consequently, the following ideas are fanciful :

However, keep the following in mind, Bastian:

Session 3 July 1999

Q: Okay. We will. (A) Carbon dating. Is it incorrect by a factor of two prior to 10,000 years as L has suggested? We observe a factor of 2 variation in the scientific dating versus your dating. This is a repeating phenomenon on nearly all dates you have given.

A: "They" fail to take into effect the influence of magnetic aberrations caused by ancient cataclysms.

Q: (L) How can these magnetic aberrations affect radiocarbon dating?

A: By altering the isotopal imprints of matter.

Q: So, the cataclysm of about 1500 B.C....

A: All of them scramble the radiological data because of magnetic surges.

Q: (L) Speaking of magnetic surges, we have been in an apparently very high sun spot cycle. What noticeable effects, other than those commonly known, could these extreme numbers of sunspots be having on the planet or inhabitants?

A: Increased static electricity.

Q: (L) So, increased static can mean more electrical storms?

A: And other.