Session 13 March 2021

[Ant22]

Perhaps both our concepts are just reflections or different perspectives on the same thing? Computer games can be viewed as cyclical in nature since you will recycle back to the beginning if you don't make the grade/pre-set level. All possibilities and scenarios are already factored into the program at the outset, it then just depends on your choices and how you play the game to determine the result. If you make the grade, the program then takes you on to the next cycle (circle). You say time is cyclical not linear. However, I recall that the C's have also said time is an illusion created within our minds and does not really exist. That would appear to apply to cyclical time just as much as to linear time.

I like the computer game analogy, I think it demonstrates the concept nicely. To use quantum physics terms, at the point of making a choice we collapse the wave into a specific reality. And until that moment all choices exist as a potential. Just like in a computer game before we make our next move.

As for neither linear not cyclical time existing, you're right, the cycles happen simultaneously, there is no sequence as such. What I meant to covey was that it is cycles that take place simultaneously, not the progression of a straight line, as the linear concept of time suggests.

As for repeating time loops, I recall a brilliant Star Trek the Next Generation episode where the crew were stuck in a repeating time loop, which always ended in the ship's destruction. However, as they started to wake up to the fact they were in a time loop, they started to make incremental changes to each repetition of the loop until at last they managed to avoid the moment of destruction. Although that was fiction, perhaps there is a lesson there for us.

If these cycles are time loops, it makes you wonder how many times (there's that word again) some people have had to repeat the same cycle.

A similar idea was used in a movie called Edge of Tomorrow. It's a fairly recent production. I don't normally like sci-fi movies but I liked that one. I never watched Star Trek but given how much I enjoyed Star Wars maybe I should give it a go

I'm not too sure if the question about the number of times people have had to repeat the cycle has ever been asked, but it is an interesting one indeed. And I'm also curious about what happens to the previous cycle one a new one start. I guess this concept may be hard to fully grasp from the 3D perspective (or maybe it's just me ), I'm reminded of this exchange about the nature of the universe that the C's summarised with: "Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.":

Q: (T) The universe you are in: you are going along and say, "I think I will create a new Universe." You do it, and move to it, and you bring your universe with you. That is the merging of realities. But, when you move to the new universe, you are no longer in the original one which continues along on its own. The pattern of the old universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become part of the new universe you have just created, you are no longer part of the old one you just left. It just goes along with everybody else there. (L) Is this correct?

A: Sort of... remember, one can create all ranges of types of alternate possibilities.

Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new "past," even?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can change the whole thing?

A: When merged, the former never existed.

Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the former will continue for everybody else.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former never existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with that old universe, and "go" with it, are still continuing along as though...

A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.

 

[MJF]

Thank you for your comments. It is funny to see that my daughter lives in Seattle so I know exactly what your talking about. Love to visit and enjoy the city but weep for its corruption. The left have taken over the government and schools so even if there are a majority of common sense voters they will never be allowed in Seattle's Elite control club. The city is occupied not governed.

I love my daughter to pieces and she has been a blessing to the family. Very helpful, generous and supportive. She, however is surrounded by leftist friends who keep her thoroughly brainwashed. She is definitely a soul being so I trust that her soul will wake her up but she still will have to extract herself from her support system. A difficult path to be sure.

My sister has lived in Seattle for nearly 20 years now. She tells me that Washington State used to be a Republican stronghold. However, thousands of democrat voters from California have moved up to the state during this period so that now it is firmly a Democrat bastion. She was friends with a Republican Congressional candidate a few years ago. He won his seat on the first ballot count but eventually lost it on a third recount. Strange but every time they recounted, they kept finding missing ballot papers the bulk of which were Democrat votes.

Last year during the riots and the takeover of the city centre, my sister feared for her life when the rioters and looters were merely just a block away from her apartment. The police were no where to be seen. Like you, she thinks the city is controlled by an elite cabal.

From what you say, your daughter seems STO in her underlying orientation, so there is definitely hope. Remember, many people start out left wing in their youth but change their outlook as they get older. There is an old adage sometimes wrongly attributed to Sir Winston Churchill that goes - "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain." My own father was a strong Labour Party activist and trade unionist in his youth in England but once he started experiencing their openly pro-soviet leanings, he distanced himself from the movement for good.

Perhaps you might get your daughter to read George Orwell's '1984' or 'Animal Farm' if she hasn't done so already. Who knows, they might provoke a wake up moment in her.

 

[MJF]

I like the computer game analogy, I think it demonstrates the concept nicely. To use quantum physics terms, at the point of making a choice we collapse the wave into a specific reality. And until that moment all choices exist as a potential. Just like in a computer game before we make our next move.

As for neither linear not cyclical time existing, you're right, the cycles happen simultaneously, there is no sequence as such. What I meant to covey was that it is cycles that take place simultaneously, not the progression of a straight line, as the linear concept of time suggests.



A similar idea was used in a movie called Edge of Tomorrow. It's a fairly recent production. I don't normally like sci-fi movies but I liked that one. I never watched Star Trek but given how much I enjoyed Star Wars maybe I should give it a go

I'm not too sure if the question about the number of times people have had to repeat the cycle has ever been asked, but it is an interesting one indeed. And I'm also curious about what happens to the previous cycle one a new one start. I guess this concept may be hard to fully grasp from the 3D perspective (or maybe it's just me ), I'm reminded of this exchange about the nature of the universe that the C's summarised with: "Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.":

If you are interested, this topic of parallel or alternative universes and timelines came up recently in the thread Eclipsed Realities Or parallel Timelines?.

I saw Edge of Tomorrow last year. Although I am not especially a fan of Tom Cruise, I did enjoy the movie.

 

[A Jay]

A similar idea was used in a movie called Edge of Tomorrow. It's a fairly recent production. I don't normally like sci-fi movies but I liked that one.

I saw Edge of Tomorrow last year. Although I am not especially a fan of Tom Cruise, I did enjoy the movie.

If y'all haven't seen it, Groundhog Day starring Bill Murray is a much better example of what I think y'all are getting at. It centers around a man and his relationships - both to himself and those around him - and the resolution comes from him learning his personal lessons and "graduating" out of the warp rather than escaping some trap or defeating an enemy.

 

[Recto]

I'm not too sure if the question about the number of times people have had to repeat the cycle has ever been asked, but it is an interesting one indeed. And I'm also curious about what happens to the previous cycle one a new one start. I guess this concept may be hard to fully grasp from the 3D perspective (or maybe it's just me ), I'm reminded of this exchange about the nature of the universe that the C's summarised with: "Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area."

I was thinking the same thing, many concepts given by the C's are hard to even imagine. How does it fit into what we can perceive and conceptualize as humans. For instance, if our sense of time is an illusion, talking about some "time" (using the word loosely here) cycles of all sorts seems almost out of the mind's reach. Perhaps it is easier for mathematicians and geniuses to venture into the abstract like that ?

Taking a step back, is it part of our 3D lessons to know that ? I believe I recall the C's saying something along the lines that it was "extra curriculum" so to speak. Since 4D beings seem at ease with multiple pasts and futures, we can guess that the illusion will be lifted at graduation. While I like doing "extra homework" to prepare for the next school year, it may be a bit too difficult for me at the moment.

I believe Ark talked about time extensively in his recent interviews and on the forum, but it didn't really help me wrap my head around the cycles thing (not to mention 4D "editing" in 3D). If we take for example the cycle for Earth's souls that'll have to "do it all over again", will they have to start from scratch and learn every lesson again ? Does their next incarnation be on Earth in what we perceive to be our near future ? Could this cycle and the reincarnation process be even described as a chronological process from our perception of time ?

If we add in the concepts of dimensions and perpendicular realities my head will definitely explode Most of the information is probably already here, but how to piece it together into a coherent whole and understand the big picture is a daunting task indeed...

 

[scotseeker]

So people, just read at least a couple of the romance novels first before jumping to conclusions.

I'm reminded of this quote from A.A. literature:

Love that quote @genero81, so true!

 

[Mari]

Somebody mentioned giants!!??

edit: ups picture got lost....
Optical ilusions of giants Slučajni divovi: Snimili prizore koji izgledaju nadnaravno, svakako zavirite u galeriju optičkih iluzija

 

[NewEngland Seeker]

My sister has lived in Seattle for nearly 20 years now. She tells me that Washington State used to be a Republican stronghold. However, thousands of democrat voters from California have moved up to the state during this period so that now it is firmly a Democrat bastion. She was friends with a Republican Congressional candidate a few years ago. He won his seat on the first ballot count but eventually lost it on a third recount. Strange but every time they recounted, they kept finding missing ballot papers the bulk of which were Democrat votes.

Last year during the riots and the takeover of the city centre, my sister feared for her life when the rioters and looters were merely just a block away from her apartment. The police were no where to be seen. Like you, she thinks the city is controlled by an elite cabal.

From what you say, your daughter seems STO in her underlying orientation, so there is definitely hope. Remember, many people start out left wing in their youth but change their outlook as they get older. There is an old adage sometimes wrongly attributed to Sir Winston Churchill that goes - "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain." My own father was a strong Labour Party activist and trade unionist in his youth in England but once he started experiencing their openly pro-soviet leanings, he distanced himself from the movement for good.

Perhaps you might get your daughter to read George Orwell's '1984' or 'Animal Farm' if she hasn't done so already. Who knows, they might provoke a wake up moment in her.

Seattle was the first to test the public's reaction to 'winning by as many recounts as it takes.' Their democratic mayor as well as the governor were magically voted into power with unexplainable recount new votes.

I too see my daughter's strong STO nature and it maybe what will pull her away from the 'just give me what I want' leftist ideology. She does see the fallacy of unaccountable charity.

Your sure in sync with my daughter's story, speaking of Animal Farm. Her high school theater group put on the play, Animal Farm, where she played one of the obedient dogs. Wow, this is soo amazing and now soo apropos for her current life-story.

 

[MJF]

Seattle was the first to test the public's reaction to 'winning by as many recounts as it takes.' Their democratic mayor as well as the governor were magically voted into power with unexplainable recount new votes.

I too see my daughter's strong STO nature and it maybe what will pull her away from the 'just give me what I want' leftist ideology. She does see the fallacy of unaccountable charity.

Your sure in sync with my daughter's story, speaking of Animal Farm. Her high school theater group put on the play, Animal Farm, where she played one of the obedient dogs. Wow, this is soo amazing and now soo apropos for her current life-story.

Well let's hope she remembers the most famous and oft quoted statement in Animal Farm: "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". That is just about the best critique of communism in practice that I have ever heard.

 

[MJF]

If y'all haven't seen it, Groundhog Day starring Bill Murray is a much better example of what I think y'all are getting at. It centers around a man and his relationships - both to himself and those around him - and the resolution comes from him learning his personal lessons and "graduating" out of the warp rather than escaping some trap or defeating an enemy

Yes, I have seen that great movie. The C's have spoken of Thor's Pantheum, inspiring writers and other creative types and they cited Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, as an example (although I think he may have been dead by the time they made the episode I was referring to in my post).

The C's also admitted to inspiring the 'Wizard of Oz' story with all the lessons contained in that book and movie. One wonders, therefore, how many stories like Groundhog Day could have been inspired by 4D or 6D. I only learned recently that the great Christmas favourite, It's a Wonderful Life, was based on a short story and booklet (The Greatest Gift) by Philip Van Doren Stern. He claimed that the story came to him in a dream. But where did that dream come from?

 

[nyseday]

I think I understand. We have arrived at a crossroads. Everywhere you look, you see greed, stupidity, viciousness, and indifference. All created by our 'elected' to sow madness and spiritual degeneration. C's have mentioned Laura to network, they insisted on it. Why? To bring all of us together to be a potential magnet of the inflow of energy of upcoming cosmic light. And we only have one chance at it. Oupensky while talking with Gurdjieff recognized that for our evolution to continue evolving..."it can proceed only through the evolution of a certain group, which, in its turn, will influence and lead the rest of humanity." (Ouspensky, In Search of the Miraculous) Are we that group. I don't know. We could be.

For the group to be effective, it has to meet certain needs that ties to free will, and make the right choice when the time is at hand. And perhaps what this group needs can be found in certain romantic novels. You will most likely agree with me when I say that time now as compared to when I was a child has vastly decreased in 'time'. Lets band together, and grow together.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for another great session and discussion thread!! (Finally, just caught up)

 

[MJF]

If y'all haven't seen it, Groundhog Day starring Bill Murray is a much better example of what I think y'all are getting at. It centers around a man and his relationships - both to himself and those around him - and the resolution comes from him learning his personal lessons and "graduating" out of the warp rather than escaping some trap or defeating an enemy.

I know I have already responded to your post above but I thought it probably worth repeating that according to the C's we are indeed stuck in one giant Groundhog Day:

Session 21 January 1995
Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we're just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan, Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again. (T) We're stuck in a time loop; they're putting us in a time loop. (J) Are we in a time loop?
A: Yes.

 

[Deleted member 4320]

The "problem" of time is interesting. If the time does not exist, as it is suggested by C's, then every talk about time is basically unfounded because we are discussing something that does not exist, but it is hard to reduce it

I think, in a simplified way of thinking about what is "Time" is to think about time, as some have suggested, about time as something cyclic. I imagine this, in this way: one cycle is like a circle, and in the middle of the circle there is a point that is a point of "Zero Time". Starting from the top I can move along, with my finger, the circle from left to the right, all these are moments from my life.

The beginning of this cycle/circle is the beginning of life, reaching the end of this cycle, then the end of life. Let's assume that somewhere in the left-lower part I will stop my finger, there is the present moment of my life, this is the point where I am just. Now I can look at some point on the right-upper side of the circle and there I see a moment from my past, for example, I am in the mountains and I go up.

Now one thing is very interesting because I am there and I do it right now. I am there and I'm just entering the mountains, not somewhen, not in the past, only now when at the same moment I'm here. I just do it in a different place of this circle. I can do another thing, I can look, in turn, on the left-upper side of this circle and I see myself as I'm old and I'm sitting without moving from the chair. I'm there and I do it. Not in the future, I do it now, I see that I do it.

So since everything is happening at once, it's just one cycle, so cycle uprising coincides with his ending, that is that everything happens at once. The difference is only in what is experienced by my consciousness as the result of the choices and influence of the reality surrounding me, which inevitably "pushes" my consciousness to the end of this cycle.

If anyone is able to imagine and accept that his other parts of themselves do something currently, at the present moment, which is his past, as well as he is doing something in the future, right now, but he has not slipped yet into these experiences with his consciousness. I think, probably, it can also get him closer to accept that time just does not exist.

 

[iamthatis]

Oh, how I agree with you! I need more hours in the day too. I don't have time to do all the work I need to do. But I try and rush.

I hear you - I've had my own issues with time lately, also "trying", and rushing, too. But more and more I'm getting the sense that this kind of stress-energy won't actually resonate at the FRV we're looking for.

Below is a quote from Ark:

FORGET "I should", forget it all. Replace it by "I LOVE TO DO ...." and skip completely the TIME issue. If you need five lives to accomplish what you WANT, let this be the first of those five. And then, without any "time obligation" or "should stressing" - start it. First step first. And ENJOY it. And LOVE yourself - take care of yourself. This is the only thing that the Universe (God?) wants from you, I think. "

This is an especially important point in light of the C's recent advice to 'not waste time'. 'Not wasting time' isn't an invitation to rush. Often, rushing itself paradoxically wastes time. 'Not wasting time' means using time wisely. I know the pace and rhythm of each person's life is situational and dynamic, and things are changing quick for the whole world. But that's no reason to let the monkey mind go bananas.

I'm realizing how very important it is to take a moment to slow down, light up a smoke and celebrate the gift of this existence... and also to contemplate this "love yourself" thing mentioned by Ark!