Session 13 May 2023

Thanks a lot for the session!

Yeah, while the egregore thing might be useful for some to see further than just ypur standard psychology, I always thought it's a way for folks to preserve their materialist thinking patterns.

Fascinating to contemplate that the left hemisphere/right hemisphere distinction might be somewhat fundamental, but at the same time the connection used to be much stronger. In many ways this seems the crux of why we are so messed up, and why we are so guillible to manipulation by planted ideas...
 
FYI, here's the article on high doses of vitamin D for specific issues:


And those who shouldn't try high doses of vitamin D:


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This session was intense! Thanks to Laura, the chateau crew and the whole FOTCM team for contributing to this new session. I hadn't been more interested in the subject of egregores, except for the little information I had gleaned from reading William Baldwin's books on SRT. These new insights bring an unprecedented focus. Thanks again. Take care!
 
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Vitamin D supplements are currently recommended at a dose of 600 international units (IU) per day by the National Institutes of Health, alongside a warning about the potentially toxic effects of taking more.

But for some people, supplementing with what would be seen as a very high dose of vitamin D every day may reap health benefits rather than toxicities, experts suggest.

In 2019, board-certified internist Dr. Patrick McCullough published a report on the experiences of three patients who were taking high doses—20,000 to 60,000 IUs daily—of vitamin D for many years, all three of whom have since seen significant health improvements.

One patient started supplementing with vitamin D3 eight years before the publication of the report and saw his asthma attacks decline from five or six severe exacerbations per year to only one serious exacerbation from 2011 to 2019.

He started at 10,000 IUs per day, and by the time of publication, he had stopped most of his asthma medication and was taking 30,000 IUs daily.

Another patient’s ulcerated hand lesion, which was presumed to be a form of skin cancer, shrank after taking high doses.

One patient had extensive psoriasis across his scalp, forehead, and ears, and some on his chest, abdomen, elbows, and thighs. He was given 50,000 IUs of vitamin D2 and soon saw a dramatic improvement in his psoriasis. His skin cleared after a few months of treatment and he was able to stop using steroid creams and medicated shampoos.

Although the clinical improvements are impressive, the dosages these patients received—which would be considered potentially toxic—are particularly astounding.
Adequate Versus Optimal Dose

The current recommendations stem from a 2010 dietary reference by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) (pdf).

The reference suggests a daily intake of 600 IUs to reach a serum level of 20 nanograms/milliliter (ng/ml) of vitamin D in the blood—an adequate amount. It set an upper tolerable limit of 4,000 IUs per day; any dosage higher than that would be considered a high dose.

Yet some experts believe that the current recommendations aren’t sufficient for optimal health.

McCullough said that “the current doses recommended by the IOM are sub-physiologic,” meaning that they are below the natural needs of the body. McCullough proposed that 10,000 IUs a day is the adequate physiologic dose.

His claims have been echoed by other health care professionals.

Before the IOM’s recommendations, experts from the Council for Responsible Nutrition suggested increasing the maximum daily limit to 10,000 IUs a day, after finding no toxicities in vitamin D clinical trials in which subjects were given dosages of 10,000 IUs and more.

In 2011, the Endocrine Society similarly said that up to 10,000 IUs per day was safe for adults.

The disparities in the dosage limits are caused by the different considerations in the potential health benefits of vitamin D.

The IOM’s lower dosage recommendations were based mainly on the role of vitamin D in promoting bone health by enhancing calcium absorption. However, the Endocrine Society and other experts argue that vitamin D may also play important roles in other systems and organs, suggesting that the dosage be adjusted accordingly.
Vitamin D Is More Than a Vitamin

Multiple studies show that vitamin D has a host of roles across multiple processes and organs. Most cells have a specific receptor for vitamin D, and when the vitamin D molecule binds to its receptor, it can activate about 2,000 genes in the body.

Expert William Grant, who has published more than 300 papers on vitamin D, told The Epoch Times that the vitamin should actually be viewed as a hormone. Vitamins are micronutrients; the body uses them in small amounts for their assisting roles in establishing health pathways.

Vitamin D, however, acts on many genetic pathways as a direct contributor rather than an assistant, regulating calcium levels and parathyroid hormones and interacting with immune cells, neurons, pancreatic cells, and many other cells.

Most importantly, while all the other vitamins have to be obtained through the diet, the body naturally produces vitamin D with sunlight. Many studies have also shown that without sun exposure, it’s quite difficult to obtain sufficient vitamin D through a natural diet alone.

Deficiencies in vitamin D are associated with poor cardiovascular health, diabetes, hypertension, cancer mortalities, cognitive decline, infections, autoimmune disease, and allergies.
600 IUs May Not Be Enough for Overall Health

Board-certified internist and integrative physician Dr. Ana Mihalcea said that most of her patients need 10,000 IUs a day to reach optimal function with their cognition and energy levels.

Many of her patients came to her with fatigue, muscle weakness, and poor cognitive abilities, all of which may be linked to vitamin D deficiencies despite these patients’ “adequate” levels of 20 ng/ml.

Once she boosted their serum levels to 70 ng/ml or more using supplements, some of them saw great improvements.
Optimal Dose Differs Among Patients

A surgeon and physician for more than 20 years, Dr. Joseph Bosiljevac likewise reports great variability in optimal vitamin D serum levels among different patients.

He told The Epoch Times that some patients see great improvements once their levels hit 60 ng/ml, and he would deem them sufficient, but other patients may need 120 ng/ml or more.

Studies have shown that vitamin D toxicities may develop when serum vitamin D levels are above 150 ng/ml, though McCullough said he has seen some patients operate fine at more than 200 ng/ml.
High-Dose Vitamin D as Medicine

Doctors say people with certain pathologies may need more vitamin D than healthy people. Some people with incurable diseases have made a great recovery after being prescribed high-dose vitamin D.

The extra vitamin D can be used “as a medicine, not just a preventative vitamin,” Mihalcea said.

Research has indicated that sufficient vitamin D levels may reduce the risk of many conditions, from cardiovascular disease to allergies.
Autoimmune Disease

Autoimmune diseases occur when the body’s immune system starts attacking healthy tissues. It’s associated with inflammation.

Vitamin D regulates immune cells, reduces inflammation, and activates immune cells that counteract autoimmune responses.

Some autoimmune disease patients have vitamin D resistance; the person becomes less responsive to vitamin D supplementation and sun exposure. Therefore, they need higher doses of vitamin D to raise their serum vitamin D levels to a suitable range.

Autoimmune specialist Dr. Cicero Coimbra, who authored the famous Coimbra Protocol, has found many of his patients with multiple sclerosis reach remission after taking massive doses of vitamin D, along with other supplements.

The protocol can start as low as 150 IUs per kilogram of body weight and can potentially increase to doses as high as 1,000 IUs per kilogram of body weight daily, provided that patients are routinely tested to ensure their parathyroid hormones, calcium, and other micronutrient levels are in balance.

In an interview with The Epoch Times, Coimbra said that his clinic has treated more than 15,000 patients with autoimmune diseases; among multiple sclerosis patients, about 85 percent reach remission. His protocol has also been used in rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis, and Crohn’s disease around the world, with the majority of patients following these protocols reporting significant improvements.

Regarding those who don’t respond well to vitamin D treatment, Coimbra has observed that most tend to experience a high level of stress, and only by changing the way they respond to stress do they start to see improvements.
Cancer

Higher doses of vitamin D are associated with lower risks of cancer progression and mortality.

Deficiencies in B-group vitamins, vitamin C, iron, zinc, magnesium, and selenium have been linked with increased cancer risks.

Many observational studies on cancer patients have found vitamin D deficiency to also be a risk factor.

A 2016 report found that women whose vitamin D levels were raised above 40 ng/ml had a more than 65 percent lower risk of cancer incidence. Another 2019 study that followed end-term colon cancer patients found that those who increased their vitamin D levels experienced a slower worsening of their symptoms.

Grant’s research shows that vitamin D reduces the risk of cancer incidence by affecting differentiation, proliferation, and apoptosis (disintegration) of cells, prevents mortality by reducing the formation of new blood vessels to sustain tumor growth, and reduces metastasis.

Since vitamin D acts by blocking pathways that promote further cancer growth and metastasis, it’s better at preventing cancer mortalities than cancer incidence, Grant said.

It’s worth noting that cancer can be triggered by a multitude of factors, including environmental toxins, smoking, radiation, genetics, and inflammation, many of which can’t be controlled by vitamin D intake alone.

Furthermore, it’s still uncertain whether vitamin D is effective for all cancers, and the reason for cancer patients’ ailments vary from one to another.

Nonetheless, there have been case reports of cancer remission after taking high doses of vitamin D, though other factors may play into patients’ recovery.

Anesthesiologist Dr. Judson Sommerville said his patient’s wife was told by the highly renowned cancer center MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston that she only had six months to live because of advanced ovarian cancer. She figured she had nothing to lose, so she started taking magnesium and high doses of vitamin D3.

She started feeling better, and after a few months, she went to the doctor for a checkup. “They examined her and to their surprise, found her cancer-free,” Sommerville said. It has been almost 12 years, and the cancer still hasn’t recurred.
Brain Health

Low vitamin D levels have been associated with higher risks of anxiety, depression, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, and autism.

Vitamin D regulates chemicals in the brain that help neurons in the cortex and the hippocampus grow and survive. These two areas are involved in memory and cognitive functions, processing emotions, and complex motor functions.

Mihalcea said that the brain fog her patients experience as part of their deficiency would ease once she raised their vitamin D levels.

Psychiatrist Dr. John J. Cannell said in an interview with ZME Science that in treating children with autism, he has found that a dose of 5,000 IUs a day helped nearly 80 percent of these children with their symptoms.

“My experience, having treated about 100 children with autism, is that 25 percent respond dramatically to high dose vitamin D, 50 percent respond significantly, and 25 percent do not respond at all,” he said.
How Much Vitamin D Is Necessary?

Board-certified internist Dr. Syed Haider recommends a certain amount of sun exposure as the best option to get vitamin D, as the body has a mechanism to prevent excessive production that would cause toxicity.

Yet with most people living in urban areas and being indoors for most of the daytime, taking supplements is probably the most convenient option.

One can supplement with either the plant-based vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol) or the animal-based vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). The two vitamins aren’t the same; the body produces different metabolites depending on which is ingested.

Doctors tend to prescribe D2, as it’s more available on the market, but the body absorbs D3 better, and it also lasts longer in the body. Moreover, D3 may be less associated with toxicities, as the body is more tolerant of it.

It’s advisable to take vitamin D with K2 and magnesium when supplementing, as this will prevent vitamin D toxicity.

K2 and magnesium both help deposit calcium in the bones rather than the arteries, and therefore prevent hypercalcemia, which can occur as a result of vitamin D toxicity.

Mihalcea emphasized the importance of testing serum vitamin D levels as an indication for dosage, since the following conditions may all impair the absorption of vitamin D:

Inflammation
Stress
Obesity
Poor gut health

Endocrinologist and vitamin D expert Dr. Michael Holick found that obese people tend to be deficient and require much higher dosages because the extra fat in their bodies sequesters more vitamin D in their cells rather than allowing it to free-float in serum.

Vitamin D is crucial in maintaining healthy bones, strengthening immunity, preventing chronic illnesses, and lowering cancer risk.

On The Epoch Times health program “Health 1+1,” Dr. Ou Han Wen, a doctor of integrative medicine and nutrition at the University of Maryland, explained the functions of vitamin D, how to take vitamin D supplements, and the contraindications to taking it.

The International Osteoporosis Foundation (IOF) recommends that individuals 70 years old and above consume 1,200 milligrams of calcium daily. Additionally, people 60 years and above should take 800 to 1,000 international units (IU) of vitamin D daily to promote bone health and decrease the likelihood of falls.
The Function of Vitamin D

Ou explained that vitamin D serves a variety of functions:

1. Enhances the immune system: Vitamin D aids in combating viral and bacterial infections. According to a study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine in 2009, vitamin D insufficiency increases the likelihood of contracting illnesses like colds and the flu.

Vitamin D can also regulate diseases caused by self-attack of the immune system, such as rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and autoimmune thyroid inflammation.

2. Prevents chronic diseases: Research has indicated that a lack of vitamin D is linked to several long-term illnesses, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, hypertension, and obesity.

By supplementing with vitamin D, the likelihood of developing these chronic conditions may be reduced.

3. Reduces cancer risk: In 2019, the Annals of Oncology published a study demonstrating that vitamin D supplements can significantly reduce cancer mortality risk.

In 2016, the journal PLoS One published a study indicating that women with vitamin D levels of 40 ng/mL or more had a 67 percent lower risk of developing cancer than those with less than 20 ng/mL.

Furthermore, Ou said, cancer therapy frequently results in side effects like fatigue and brittle bones, which can be mitigated by taking suitable doses of vitamin D supplements.

Ou noted that while some research studies have suggested that increased vitamin D intake may lower the risk of dementia, there is currently no substantial randomized, controlled trial to confirm the efficacy of vitamin D in preventing dementia. This aspect remains a subject of ongoing research.
Epoch Times Photo
(Tatjana Baibakova/Shutterstock)
How to Take Vitamin D Supplements

Vitamin D is primarily obtained from sunlight, as the body synthesizes it through sun exposure. However, the amount of sunlight needed to maintain sufficient vitamin D levels varies depending on location, season, climate, and time of day. It’s important to note that excessive exposure to sunlight can be harmful, as ultraviolet radiation is a known carcinogen, so it’s essential to protect the body when exposed to the sun.

How can we ensure we’re getting enough vitamin D from our daily diets?

Ou suggested that we supplement our vitamin D intake by consuming foods with high levels of calcium, such as dairy products, beans, dark green vegetables, sesame seeds, enoki mushrooms, shiitake mushrooms, seaweed, dried fish, and nuts.

Consuming fruits high in vitamin C, such as citrus fruits, oranges, kiwis, and guavas, can enhance calcium absorption and vitamin D.

Ou said taking supplements is an alternative if you cannot obtain sufficient vitamin D from food. As vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin, consuming it with a meal is recommended.

He also emphasized that it is advisable to check your body’s vitamin D levels before taking vitamin D supplements. Additionally, it is recommended to have a follow-up test after three months of supplementation to determine whether the current dosage is adequate or too high.
The More Vitamin D, the Better?

Ou explained that taking more vitamin D supplements is not necessarily for the better. Because vitamin D is a type of fat-soluble vitamin that can get stored in the body’s fatty tissues if consumed in excess, it becomes difficult for the body to metabolize it. When vitamin D intake exceeds the required amount, the concentration of accumulated vitamin D in the body may surpass the safe level. This can lead to hypercalcemia, a condition where the calcium level in the body rises significantly.

Hypercalcemia refers to a medical condition where calcium concentration in the bloodstream exceeds normal levels. The common symptoms include:

Lethargy, fatigue
Headache, dizziness
Loss of appetite
Nausea, vomiting
Constipation or diarrhea
Frequent or urgent urination
Bone or muscle pain

Persistent high calcium levels in the body, known as chronic hypercalcemia, can cause various health complications, including kidney stones, kidney failure, high blood pressure, heart disease, and bone disorders.

To prevent these adverse effects, Ou suggests getting regular blood tests to measure the amount of vitamin D in your body and taking vitamin D supplements only if your doctor advises.
Who Should Avoid Vitamin D Supplementation?

Ou highlighted that excessive vitamin D supplementation may not be appropriate for certain individuals who are ill, especially people with the following conditions:

Hypercalcemia: Individuals with high calcium levels in their blood may need to restrict their vitamin D intake, which can contribute to further elevation of calcium levels.
Kidney disease: The kidneys are crucial in maintaining the proper calcium levels. Patients with poor kidney function may need to avoid excessive intake of vitamin D to avoid hypercalcemia.
Liver disease: Vitamin D needs to be metabolized into its active form in the liver, so patients with liver dysfunction need to use vitamin D supplements cautiously.
Hypercalciuria: These patients will produce a lot of calcium in the urine. If they take additional vitamin D supplements, it can increase the strain on their kidneys. Therefore, those with excessive calcium in their urine should avoid consuming excessive amounts of vitamin D.
Specific diseases: Patients with diseases such as hepatitis, tuberculosis, leukemia, lymphoma, and hyperthyroidism, among others, should be careful when using vitamin D supplements.

Ou indicated that individuals who are taking the following drugs should also avoid excessive intake of vitamin D:

Aluminum: Vitamin D can increase the absorption of aluminum in the body. Therefore, it is recommended that patients with kidney disease should only take aluminum-containing acidulants two hours before or four hours after taking vitamin D.
Calcipotriene: Avoid taking vitamin D when using calcipotriol, as it can increase the medication’s positive and negative effects. Calcipotriene and vitamin D should not be used together.
Digoxin: Digoxin is a medication that strengthens the heart’s contractions. However, combining digoxin with vitamin D may increase the risk of arrhythmia.
Diltiazem: Diltiazem’s effectiveness can be reduced by taking vitamin D.
Verapamil: Vitamin D is crucial to the body’s calcium absorption. However, if you are taking both verapamil and vitamin supplements, it is important to avoid consuming excessive amounts of vitamin D, as this can potentially affect the heart due to its interaction with calcium and other vitamins.
Diuretics: Large amounts of vitamin D taken with specific diuretic medications can lead to excessive calcium levels in the body, which may cause severe adverse effects, including kidney problems. The diuretic medications that can cause these health issues such as chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide, indapamide, metolazone, and chlorthalidone.
Cimetidine: Cimetidine diminishes the efficacy of vitamin D.

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How to Choose Vitamin D

The two options for vitamin D are D2 (ergocalciferol) and D3 (cholecalciferol). According to Ou, vitamin D3 is more effective in increasing the concentration of vitamin D in the bloodstream than vitamin D2. This is because D3 is more readily absorbed and transformed by the body, and its effects last longer.

Vitamin D3 is predominantly obtained from lanolin, algae, and buckwheat extracts. It is more effectively absorbed in its liquid form. To ensure the quality and safety of the product, Ou advised choosing a professional manufacturer with patent certification and third-party inspection.

Ou also suggests taking vitamin D with vitamin K2. Vitamin K2 helps vascular arterial blood flow and vascular elasticity while introducing calcium into the bones for bone strengthening. It also keeps excess calcium away from soft tissues, such as blood vessels and kidneys, to prevent endothelial deposits that can lead to calcification of blood vessel walls. Taken together, vitamin D3 and K2 may provide more health benefits than taken separately.
 
FYI, here's the article on high doses of vitamin D for specific issues:


And those who shouldn't try high doses of vitamin D:

I just read over the Coimbra protocol the other day, as well as topics on the Ray Peat forum about the role of vitamin D against endotoxin and the role of bacterial endotoxin in autoimmune and other diseases and thought about it. Megadoses of vitamin D have an antibacterial effect i.e. in fact we can consider it a relatively safe variant of the antibiotic protocol AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION? (with proper intake of retinol and K2 against hypercalcaemia) ?
 
I just read over the Coimbra protocol the other day, as well as topics on the Peat forum about the role of vitamin D against endotoxin and the role of bacterial endotoxin in autoimmune and other diseases and thought about it. Megadoses of vitamin D have an antibacterial effect i.e. in fact we can consider it a relatively safe variant of the antibiotic protocol AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES CAUSED BY AN INFECTION? (with proper intake of retinol and K2 against hypercalcaemia) ?
It could well be! Hopefully more research and awareness will be brought to this topic.
 
Thank you for the session!
Chu) Well, if they're hyperdimensional beings...

(L) If they're hyperdimensional beings, they're always negative if it is truly an egregore. Is that correct?

A: Yes. [...]
(T.C.) So there wouldn't be such a thing as a positive egregore because the concept involves an infringement of free will by the 'higher' being?

A: Yes.
The discussion and questions about egregores was excellent, thank you for clarifying that it is a top down phenomenon ie 4D STS.

Q: (L) Okay. If we encounter a thought form-type critter that has come and attached to an individual, is that thought form-type critter something that has been created by some other individual in the same way that some of the ones that we have encountered are created by that individual person?

(Andromeda) Right. Like created by a thought loop or strong emotion and/or a split-off part of their personality?

A: Some yes. Others are gathered energies of place or object.

Q: (L) Place or object. So you're saying that objects can... What kind of objects?

A: Trees, for one.

Q: (L) So natural objects?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So natural objects can concentrate energy such that it forms a thought form?

A: Yes.
Interesting that trees and objects can concentrate energies too and I wonder if this is a possible mechanism of the Missing 411 phenomena. There are definitely some places in nature that seem foreboding or less welcoming than others.
 
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Thank you for the session!

The discussion and questions about egregores was excellent, thank you for clarifying that it is a top down phenomenon ie 4D STS.


Interesting that trees and objects can concentrate energies too and I wonder this is a possible mechanism of the Missing 411 phenomena. There are definitely some places in nature that seem foreboding or less welcoming than others.'
Oh boy! On cue my cursor has gone totally bizarre and uncontrollable, even when it took me 20 minutes just to get into control panel to slow it to zero. Near impossible to click on anything or complete and tack. And this happened as soon as I had read the transcript and went to save it. Totally out of the blue.
Now I am wondering whether it was something on the object i use all the time ie the laptop, or something that I have 'upset' around me now armed with the knowledge lol.

I am loathe to reboot the laptop as takes ages to find all the word documents and tabs again if they do not restore! Well whatever, I am giving no thought or energy to it. It is what it is. Tomorrow is another day! Not been on any sites to get a virus. So will try a different format for the cursor perhaps.


Many thanks to everyone and the C's for great advice - some topical to my last post on the HBOT thread just prior to finding this new session thread. Blessings to everyone x
 
Thank you for amazing session! The farming season has started so I don`t get much time to participate lately, but I am still reading forum.

It crossed my mind more than once what Castaneda described as those flying dark shapes eating consciousness, why make it so hard for them? Good hunter leads the prey towards them. And sure enough, egregores create the pathway straight to the proverbial kitchen...ugh.
 
I’m (Ze Germans) What is the karmic role of Russia?

A: Replay of Atlantis.

Q: (L) When you say replay of Atlantis, are you saying that Russia is playing the part of Atlantis?

A: No. The adversary.

Q: (L) So in other words, the one that defeated Atlantis when it attempted to take over the world?

A: Yes.
I’ve wondered about this for some time; nice to see it confirmed.

I’m right there with you Ryan. I’ve been using this analogy since early last year, and now seeing this come from the C’s made it worth every time that I was mocked and laughed out of the room for saying this!

Excellent session guys, and much appreciated.

Glad we also narrowed down the egregore issue. But it looks like we mostly figured this one out on our own, for the most part.
 

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