Session 14 March 2015

[MusicMan]

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Thinking about bears: perhaps the similarity of the sound of 'berry' to 'bear' explains why the unfortunates were deposited back into this dimension were discovered without parts of their persons. Maybe they ended up next to a 'bushy bear' instead of a 'berry bush' and simply got eaten by the hungry animal ?
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Thinking about the green language, maybe they were supposed to be 'buried'?

Funny you should mention that.
I was thinking a bit more about this today and it occurred to me that ley lines (of England) are commonly joined by burial mounds, and the communities built around them are often suffixed by 'bury' (Avebury) or borough / burgh (Edinburgh).
There used to be a tradition that the tops of the 'burys' would have fires lit on top of them, maybe to help align them or to help wayfarers travelling by night.
There are thousands of these mounds throughout England and the British Isles generally, and may also be associated with standing stones, stone circles etc. Lots of stone circles in France as well.
A lot of older churches are actually built right alongside the ley lines, and may mark old 'burys' as church cemeteries. If you get a map of London, you can draw straight lines through most of the churches, it really is an amazing study.
Needless to say these are sacred sites, and no doubt would attract interdimensional activity.

 

[Laura]

I agree totally...but on the other hand, whackos, predators and psychopaths whathaveyou can also be some of the most 'involving' types especially on a forum (a few prime examples who have been excommed come to mind even in the FOTCM) because these people are such good 'contributors' without a face, so to speak. Yet there are many of us who may be working quietly (eg, does working on oneself daily to clear decades of trash not considered contribution if one were part of a tribal unit?), donating what we can, yet perhaps never be considered 'well known-understood-officially accepted' enough because we do not have anything substantial or helpful to say often. I know I'd likely get whacked for posting this but I just need to get it off my chest.

Indeed. And that is why personal interactions are so important, ultimately, and through those, we've been able to weed out the whackos mentioned above. They just don't survive scrutiny within a physically present group, and/or their manipulations become obvious.

As for the latter part, because of the volume of admin work involved, a certain set of standards were established to lighten the load. Obviously, it isn't perfect in all cases but I'll ask the committee to review your situation.

 

[Plume]

Thanks for sharing this session and for all the advices

 

[Mahael859]

Thanks a lot to all the Chateaux crew for all your work and this session, You are "Berry,Berry good to us" :D
Nice to ear also that Galatea is grooving the channel!
Reading it gives me a mixed feeling of pressure wile another part of me wants to surrender to the process and just enjoy (though I'm a bit of a control freak...), think I'll keep both sensations and see were this friction will lead.
Sometimes i think about a collapse as a final exam who can show what kind of human one really is and what they've learned so far.Really interesting the suggestion to play "as if",a great exercise in creativity.
Thanks again

 

[luc]

I agree totally...but on the other hand, whackos, predators and psychopaths whathaveyou can also be some of the most 'involving' types especially on a forum (a few prime examples who have been excommed come to mind even in the FOTCM) because these people are such good 'contributors' without a face, so to speak. Yet there are many of us who may be working quietly (eg, does working on oneself daily to clear decades of trash not considered contribution if one were part of a tribal unit?), donating what we can, yet perhaps never be considered 'well known-understood-officially accepted' enough because we do not have anything substantial or helpful to say often. I know I'd likely get whacked for posting this but I just need to get it off my chest.

Hi rymw, I can relate to your situation, since for the last years I also was kind of "doing the Work quietly", with only so much active support from the network (but when I DID network here, this usually was highly fruitful!). And I think it can be done to a certain extent, especially with a partner who has a different background/different perspective, but it can only go so far I think. Since joining FOTCM I made it an aim to be (and stay) more active on the forum, partly because I'm convinced it was a mistake on my part to not network more in the past. Not only would I and others in my life have had a lot less trouble during those shocks and tribulations, I also deprived others here in the forum (including lurkers) the opportunity to learn from my "case". As others have said, our fear/hesitation when it comes to post something is really "just" a program. Another advice would be, I think, that if you feel uncomfortable when it comes to intellectual discussions and feel you have nothing to contribute, just describe your experiences - that way, you will always contribute something substantial, since it comes from real life, from real experiences. Sometimes I think that the nature of a text-based forum kind of favors the "intellectual types", which can lead to a wrong impression of what is going on. I think it's equally important that people share their experiences, feelings, impressions, reactions etc., and for that, you don't necessarily have to know all the recommended reading list inside out or the subtleties of Gurfjieff's system. Fwiw

 

[Tui]

Quote from: rymw on Today at 01:13:51 AM
I agree totally...but on the other hand, whackos, predators and psychopaths whathaveyou can also be some of the most 'involving' types especially on a forum (a few prime examples who have been excommed come to mind even in the FOTCM) because these people are such good 'contributors' without a face, so to speak. Yet there are many of us who may be working quietly (eg, does working on oneself daily to clear decades of trash not considered contribution if one were part of a tribal unit?), donating what we can, yet perhaps never be considered 'well known-understood-officially accepted' enough because we do not have anything substantial or helpful to say often. I know I'd likely get whacked for posting this but I just need to get it off my chest.

Luc quote:

Hi rymw, I can relate to your situation, since for the last years I also was kind of "doing the Work quietly", with only so much active support from the network (but when I DID network here, this usually was highly fruitful!). And I think it can be done to a certain extent, especially with a partner who has a different background/different perspective, but it can only go so far I think. Since joining FOTCM I made it an aim to be (and stay) more active on the forum, partly because I'm convinced it was a mistake on my part to not network more in the past. Not only would I and others in my life have had a lot less trouble during those shocks and tribulations, I also deprived others here in the forum (including lurkers) the opportunity to learn from my "case". As others have said, our fear/hesitation when it comes to post something is really "just" a program. Another advice would be, I think, that if you feel uncomfortable when it comes to intellectual discussions and feel you have nothing to contribute, just describe your experiences - that way, you will always contribute something substantial, since it comes from real life, from real experiences. Sometimes I think that the nature of a text-based forum kind of favors the "intellectual types", which can lead to a wrong impression of what is going on. I think it's equally important that people share their experiences, feelings, impressions, reactions etc., and for that, you don't necessarily have to know all the recommended reading list inside out or the subtleties of Gurfjieff's system. Fwiw

i have received much insight from every single post I have thus far read on this Forum, written by someone who had something to say - from long intellectual posts to very short posts, brief and to the point. I have learnt much from every reply I have received after posting, from members as young as Keyhole - and look at the young Galatea who are now contributing to the sessions - to much older members. Members' posts and reactions to posts give me much to ponder on concerning the world, myself, other people, stimulating me to change for the better or making me aware of dangers, etc. Those who honestly bare their souls and difficulties touch my heart and thus increase my feeling of wanting to be of service to others. I am grateful for what I am learning from others on this Forum. Thank you for posting and replying.

Ynna

 

[Tristan]

Thanks for the session! congrats to Galatea


This is an excerpt from Views From The Real World what I'm currently reading. Just wanted to share if that may be useful or provide inspiration since in my case when I read something from Gurdjieff it helps me to pull my socks up immediately ;

--NOTE: being emotions horse, coachman the intellect, the car body. FWIW

Inside us we have a horse; it obeys orders from outside. And our mind is too weak to do anything inside. Even if the mind gives the order to stop, nothing will stop inside.

We educate nothing but our mind. We know how to behave with such and such. "Goodbye" "How do you do?" But it is only the driver who knows this. Sitting on his box he has read about it. But the horse has no education whatever. It has not even been taught the alphabet, it knows no languages, it never went to school. The horse was also capable of being taught, but we forgot all about it. . . . And so it grew up a neglected orphan. It only knows two words: right and left.

What I said about inner change refers only to the need of change in the horse. If the horse changes, we can change even externally. If the horse does not change, everything will remain the same, no matter how long we study. It is easy to decide to change sitting quietly in your room. But as soon as you meet someone, the horse kicks. Inside us we have a horse.

The horse must change.

If anyone thinks that self-study will help and he will be able to change, he is greatly mistaken. Even if he reads all the books, studies for a hundred years, masters all knowledge, all mysteries--nothing will come of it.

Because all this knowledge will belong to the driver. And he, even if he knows, cannot drag the cart without the horse--it is too heavy.

And also:

“It is necessary to observe yourself differently than you do in ordinary life. It is necessary to have a different attitude, not the attitude you had till now. You know where your habitual attitudes have led you till now. There is no sense in going on as before.”

 

[Deleted member 11729]

.... surfing through forum is so inspiring ... I am just feeling like I want to take looong vacations and just read and read and read as long as all the things are clicking in my mind .... and somehow they are just clicking so fats ... it is fantastic to see reality of things that just a day before seams to be not that much understood ... I am still feeling there is a lot to be done on that path, as I feel how the strength is growing, what probably means that it is still growing :) ... any way at the moments when I came to the forum, I just dive in it and I feel like Leeloo from The Fifth Element when she is just dive into the whole world knowledge ...

funny example of that part of the movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnozDdpaFik

and reading all your reflections on the last Cs session, is also very interesting to see how people from different places picking on different stuff from there ... I am so kind of a sad to think about "what if scenarios" ...

thank you all!

 

[Laura]

Thanks for the session! congrats to Galatea


This is an excerpt from Views From The Real World what I'm currently reading. Just wanted to share if that may be useful or provide inspiration since in my case when I read something from Gurdjieff it helps me to pull my socks up immediately ;

--NOTE: being emotions horse, coachman the intellect, the car body. FWIW

Inside us we have a horse; it obeys orders from outside. And our mind is too weak to do anything inside. Even if the mind gives the order to stop, nothing will stop inside.

We educate nothing but our mind. We know how to behave with such and such. "Goodbye" "How do you do?" But it is only the driver who knows this. Sitting on his box he has read about it. But the horse has no education whatever. It has not even been taught the alphabet, it knows no languages, it never went to school. The horse was also capable of being taught, but we forgot all about it. . . . And so it grew up a neglected orphan. It only knows two words: right and left.

What I said about inner change refers only to the need of change in the horse. If the horse changes, we can change even externally. If the horse does not change, everything will remain the same, no matter how long we study. It is easy to decide to change sitting quietly in your room. But as soon as you meet someone, the horse kicks. Inside us we have a horse.

The horse must change.

If anyone thinks that self-study will help and he will be able to change, he is greatly mistaken. Even if he reads all the books, studies for a hundred years, masters all knowledge, all mysteries--nothing will come of it.

Because all this knowledge will belong to the driver. And he, even if he knows, cannot drag the cart without the horse--it is too heavy.

And also:

“It is necessary to observe yourself differently than you do in ordinary life. It is necessary to have a different attitude, not the attitude you had till now. You know where your habitual attitudes have led you till now. There is no sense in going on as before.”

Thanks for bringing this up; it is VERY useful, IMO.

This highlights the necessity for mirrors and shocks and ALSO mutual support when a person is facing/handling a difficult situation and very much need to get control of their emotional responses and direct them in new ways.

 

[Konstantin]

Thanks for the session! congrats to Galatea


This is an excerpt from Views From The Real World what I'm currently reading. Just wanted to share if that may be useful or provide inspiration since in my case when I read something from Gurdjieff it helps me to pull my socks up immediately ;

--NOTE: being emotions horse, coachman the intellect, the car body. FWIW

Inside us we have a horse; it obeys orders from outside. And our mind is too weak to do anything inside. Even if the mind gives the order to stop, nothing will stop inside.

We educate nothing but our mind. We know how to behave with such and such. "Goodbye" "How do you do?" But it is only the driver who knows this. Sitting on his box he has read about it. But the horse has no education whatever. It has not even been taught the alphabet, it knows no languages, it never went to school. The horse was also capable of being taught, but we forgot all about it. . . . And so it grew up a neglected orphan. It only knows two words: right and left.

What I said about inner change refers only to the need of change in the horse. If the horse changes, we can change even externally. If the horse does not change, everything will remain the same, no matter how long we study. It is easy to decide to change sitting quietly in your room. But as soon as you meet someone, the horse kicks. Inside us we have a horse.

The horse must change.

If anyone thinks that self-study will help and he will be able to change, he is greatly mistaken. Even if he reads all the books, studies for a hundred years, masters all knowledge, all mysteries--nothing will come of it.

Because all this knowledge will belong to the driver. And he, even if he knows, cannot drag the cart without the horse--it is too heavy.

And also:

“It is necessary to observe yourself differently than you do in ordinary life. It is necessary to have a different attitude, not the attitude you had till now. You know where your habitual attitudes have led you till now. There is no sense in going on as before.”

Thanks for bringing this up; it is VERY useful, IMO.

This highlights the necessity for mirrors and shocks and ALSO mutual support when a person is facing/handling a difficult situation and very much need to get control of their emotional responses and direct them in new ways.

And this is an Audio book on youtube of the book that Tristan mentioned. if anybody is interested in Gurdjieff's teachings .I also find them very interesting. "Views from the Real World" Early talks of Gurdjieff (audio reading)
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzAwh8pE4w0

 

[Duke]

Well done! Galatea! Thank you to Château crew!

Mum you must be SOOOOO proud of your little girl, as a parent of twin boys {now nearly 14 } I could feel the pride welling up in myself just reading the session.

I, as others have said, could feel the session was there before I looked. While having lunch {by myself, wife at work and I'm preparing to sleep before nightshift} I having a conversation with myself and was told to look for a new session, with a broad smile I found it there ;).

Just a question about the FOTCM:- We have just endured tropical cyclone "Marcia" as a CAT 5, we lost power for a couple of days in our town, a lot of others around us were not so lucky. We [our district] lost internet, mobile phones and landlines for up to 2 weeks in some cases [not to mention the physical damage from very high winds and lots of rain]. The community spirit was lovely to see.
But it brings home how useless the communication systems are in these times of need [even in Australia, where we are well versed in these types of events] there is no way to use the forum for anything.... I'm wondering if the use of a CB radio system will be a useful idea for local or world wide communication?... if the SHTF proper....

Some other useful tips-- Keep you car full of gas, Buy a generator at least 3Kva and Yes work on a plan with the ones close to you. You will need it before you realize....

Remember!! You chose this time, this place, your adventure, don't waste it!!!!

 

[Ko smo]

Great session like always ;D

Mass media pressure about Putin was crazy for few days! One must know that when mass media places something at focus it is an disinformation!

glad that he is OK well and working :)

 

[Beau]

Thank you for asking about Putin and the weird details in the Missing 411 books. There are so many questions I have about those people disappearing. Why does it rain or storm around the time of the person going missing? What happens to the people who are never found, are they stuck somewhere or deceased? What happens exactly when a small child disappears in their own home without a sound? Just what is the purpose of all this? Are these people being tested, used for something, while they are "elsewhere" before coming back "home"? Is the word boulder similar to berry, since a lot of people are found or disappeared near boulders? And what does the National Park Service actually know that they are so reticent to help anyone researching these disappearances? And finally, will it ever be possible for me to ever go hiking again now that I've read these books?

 

[Laura]

I, as others have said, could feel the session was there before I looked. While having lunch {by myself, wife at work and I'm preparing to sleep before nightshift} I having a conversation with myself and was told to look for a new session, with a broad smile I found it there ;).

This is VERY interesting to me. The development of "chakra connections" appears to be happening!

Just a question about the FOTCM:- We have just endured tropical cyclone "Marcia" as a CAT 5, we lost power for a couple of days in our town, a lot of others around us were not so lucky. We [our district] lost internet, mobile phones and landlines for up to 2 weeks in some cases [not to mention the physical damage from very high winds and lots of rain]. The community spirit was lovely to see.
But it brings home how useless the communication systems are in these times of need [even in Australia, where we are well versed in these types of events] there is no way to use the forum for anything.... I'm wondering if the use of a CB radio system will be a useful idea for local or world wide communication?... if the SHTF proper....

Some other useful tips-- Keep you car full of gas, Buy a generator at least 3Kva and Yes work on a plan with the ones close to you. You will need it before you realize....

Remember!! You chose this time, this place, your adventure, don't waste it!!!!

Several of our FOTCM community have become interested in the CB radio and even short wave (for which you have to take a course and get a license in the US). There are many other very practical things being undertaken by the communities.

 

[Zadius Sky]

Thank you for asking about Putin and the weird details in the Missing 411 books. There are so many questions I have about those people disappearing. Why does it rain or storm around the time of the person going missing? What happens to the people who are never found, are they stuck somewhere or deceased? What happens exactly when a small child disappears in their own home without a sound? Just what is the purpose of all this? Are these people being tested, used for something, while they are "elsewhere" before coming back "home"? Is the word boulder similar to berry, since a lot of people are found or disappeared near boulders? And what does the National Park Service actually know that they are so reticent to help anyone researching these disappearances? And finally, will it ever be possible for me to ever go hiking again now that I've read these books?

Great important questions. I've read all four books and wondered about hiking again. I still hike every week and these books make me more aware of my surroundings during my hikes in the mountains.