Q: (L) OK, what is it that determines... I mean, I know awareness determines, but if a whole region is going to go, is it because all of the people occupying that region are at a level that they can change their awareness?
A: No.
Q: (T) It's not going because of that. It's going because the bases are being used to manipulate. (L) OK...
A: No.
Q: (T) It's a side-effect of the bases...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) it has nothing to do with anybody being ready to go... or anything else but as a side effect?
A: Also atomic bomb blasts.
Q: (J) Oh, Los Alamos bomb blast!
A: Blasts.
Q: (T) OK, now, how about the French, and their atomic bomb testing in the South Pacific? Is this activity accelerating some sort of transition, or opening of a doorway...?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) OK. As the bases reach these points of side effect, of transition from third to fourth, each one in itself is localized. But, do many of them together form a much larger shift over a larger geographical area?
A: We told you it was regional.
Q: (J) Yes, each one is regional, but do you reach a point where... is there a saturation point? (T) Is there a cumulative affect over each region? (J) As they go? (T) In other words, if you've got one whole...
A: No, we meant SW US region.
Q: (L) OK, this South West region, this is imminent in this area? Is that correct?
A: Imminent?
Q: (L) OK, it's already happening, is that it? (T) It's in progress.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, what else were we asking? Can people come in and out of it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Can you get back out of it? (T) How well can you drive and cook?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) You said other bases are going to experience, or are experiencing this same effect.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are there other bases that are experiencing, have experienced this effect, previous to the Dulce base?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) As these bases experience these effects, in different places on the geographical surface of the planet, do the effects become cumulative? (L) They said only the SW United States... (T) I know, I'm approaching this from another direction here. As this happens, will this ultimately take in the whole planet?
A: No. Wave.
Q: (L) The wave will take in the whole planet. (J) It'll be a Swiss-cheese effect? With more and more holes as they go on... (T) News blackouts will not keep people from hearing about this. How's the power structure going to handle all of this?
A: ?
Q: (L) How indeed? That's a good question. The power structure already knows it's happening, because it's happened in other places already. This isn't the first place. (J) That's what the disinformation is for.
(T) Disinformation is fine in remote places where nobody can reach, like Outer Mongolia, or the middle of the Brazilian Rain Forest. When it happens in downtown Albuquerque, or Las Vegas, or off the coast of Florida, and you can't go to Orlando or Miami anymore, somebody's going to notice!
(J) Where is Miami or Orlando on the timetable, that's what I'd like to know! (L) Interestingly, Jan just said something that keyed in a good question. If time is involved in this, is it possible that when something goes into fourth density, that if we were traveling to that area, that we would arrive in that area at a different point in time? And that we would say... (T) As we perceive time...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Very good question.
A: 4th density frees one from the illusion of "time" as you WILL to perceive it.
Q: (L) OK, if you're freed from the illusion of time, going into fourth density, would you then go into one of these regions and perceive a time period and sequence of events as you expect to perceive it?
A: As you WILL to perceive it.
Q: (L) So, in other words, there may be some people on the planet, because of their fixity of will, and perception, at third density, who will not perceive anything change? Is that correct?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, anybody will, something will be different. OK. (J) What they do with that information, that's a different story... (T) You know, these areas will become bigger tourist attractions than any that are out there now! People will flock to them... (L) Is that possible?
A: No.
Q: (T) It's an "E" ticket ride! When the word gets out that people can go to that area of New Mexico and experience true strangeness, it's going to draw a lot of people.
A: Not that simple... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and winding up in Moscow, instead.
Q: (L) So, in other words, this is going to create a situation where people on the planet are going to become very confused and upset over this situation. (J) Yes, have you ever tried going shopping in Moscow? (T) They're going to draw a lot of people when they find out that happens! (L) And being forced to expand their perception and awareness because of the anomalous events!
A: Imagine being an N.S.A. official and shivering at the prospect!
Q: (L) N.S.A. National Security Agency... Why would you shiver at the prospect...(SV) of being one of them? With all this going on?
A: Concealment.
Q: (J) In other words, trying to cover up what's going on!
(T) Well, they're not going to be able to cover up what's going on. That's what I'm getting at. And because of what's going on, it's going to draw people to the effect...
(L) If something like this happens, obviously, what they're going to have to do is institute some kind of martial law, so they can cover it up! Or else, they'll lose everything!
(T) They're going to have to restrict travel...
(L) Well, yes, we know that, but they don't!
(T) They're going to have to, at the minimum, restrict all travel through those areas. The only way they're going to do that, is either impose martial law, or come up with some kind of MAJOR disaster to keep people out, like I said, "buried, spent fuel rods are leaking contamination over NW New Mexico, no one allowed in." But, they just told us that those who are inside can get out. So how are they going to keep those who are inside from coming out, especially if they come out all over the world when they leave?
(J) People will be talking a mile a minute about all the stuff...
(T) People are going to find out, they're not going to be able to cover it...
(L) Well, they're going to find out about all the stuff. They'll be picking them up every time they hear about one, but of course, it will be like trying to move the bucket from leak to leak to leak... (T) From place to place, and it's not the only place it's happening! (L) ...and it's going to be leaking so many places.
(L) They said they were going to teach us. Let's ask if there is any major, further information on these bases, that we need to know. (J) Is there one around this area that's going to do this? (T) It's off the coast of Florida, they told us that. It's out in the Gulf. (L) Is our off-the-coast base going to do this? (T) If it [New Mexico] covers an area as far as Las Vegas, and through there, it's going to cover us. (L) Is our base going to...
A: Not of same intensity.
Q: (J) Less or more? Which direction?
A: Less.
Q: (L) Is there... (T) Why would it be less? Because the base is smaller? (L) Because it's smaller, they told us it was smaller. They said 'Small base near here'. (T)Well, that's just the one near here. What about the one out in the Triangle? (L) Yes, we didn't ask about the Triangle!
A: Panhandle, too.
Q: (L) Is the Panhandle less, or will they have the same thing happen as Dulce?
A: By that time, the wave will arrive.
Q: (L) Is there anything about these bases and this subject matter that you wish to teach us further at this time?
A: Suggest direct channeling for this subject.