Session 18 September 2021

[endescent]

Speaking of Cthulu, here's a funny short short story I read about Lovecraft's monsters coming to life and being fully embraced by corporate America in the age of diversity and inclusion. A part of me suspects this will be our bread-and-butter when the aliens themselves show up (or start coming out of the closet, as the case may be).

Dagon

“We’ve received a complaint. I’m sorry, I can’t say from whom, apparently one of your coworkers overheard a conversation between you and your teammate, Joanna. In the context we received the compla…

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There’s a novel that blends corporate insanity with Lovecraftian themes.

Résumé with Monsters by William Browning Spencer

 

[Revolucionar]

For example, she shared that many ask her opinion about their children's studies. Should they go to this or that university. And her answer is usually very gentle, but she still tries to tell the parents that we are going to face such chances, that there may be no real point in contemplating such long term plans. As she puts it, we are at the point that it's quite probable that the child won't be able to finish the degree. Or people in general won't be able to maintain the same life routine in the way they were used to until now

This sort of thing is exactly what I was talking about in my recent post here.

I don't think it's helpful at all to basically give up on life and start preparing for the apocalypse. Living life fully is the best preparation as life is the best teacher.
Pulling away from life is what doomsday cults do and it never ends well.
No one knows the time or place so the best we can do is to keep making the most of the time we've got.

 

[endescent]

For those who are feeling depressed or angry, remember the nonlinear nature of time and the time travel abilities humans gain when we graduate to 4D. It might be possible to undo all the negativity that we are going through right now and in the near future. It may be hard living it now, but beyond that possibilities increase exponentially.

 

[gottathink]

New Zealand is now on the October 15th bandwagon
Just announced
“ "This will culminate in a national day for vaccination on Saturday 16 October, super Saturday. On that day, we will have vaccine clinics open all through Aotearoa all day and into the evening and a bit like election day, we will be asking all our civic and political leaders to contribute to a big effort to turn people out."

Covid-19 briefing: 'Super Saturday' push to get more NZers vaccinated

Kiwis need to pitch in for a final push to get as many people vaccinated as possible, says the Covid-19 Response Minister, who has announced a new "national day of action". Watch the government's latest briefing here.

www.rnz.co.nz

Saturday 16 obviously makes more sense than a weekday
But what is it with the mid October vaccine drive?
It’s weird

 

[Human]

This sort of thing is exactly what I was talking about in my recent post here.

I don't think it's helpful at all to basically give up on life and start preparing for the apocalypse. Living life fully is the best preparation as life is the best teacher.
Pulling away from life is what doomsday cults do and it never ends well.
No one knows the time or place so the best we can do is to keep making the most of the time we've got.

I don't see this Keit's post as a call to 'escapism' (or sort of apocalyptic doomsday retreat), and I've had a habit of doing that in the past, even with Forum activities.
To me, it more looks like in line with what the Cs have said numerous times: "Forewarned means forearmed"; having a thought in mind that things may not go on in the same 'old way' as before for much longer, so not to make long(er) term plans and focus/arrange our lives around them.

These times we're living in are such, IMO, that it's very important to have open eyes and ears, and observe basically every little thing around us, as the world is changing in front of us almost every day, significantly, even during the same day, and make our choices accordingly.
Yes, I think we should prepare for the worst, as if it will come tomorrow, even today, not just wave our hands on the very idea of it (e.g. stocking some food, canning if possible, ...). Be present in the now and here, not allow to be 'sucked into' thinking and planning what might happen (or we wish would happen) in few months or even years, as in obtaining university degree and arranging our lives around how to (e.g. financially) support such long(er) term plans - and/or even maybe more importantly, give our energy/attention to such plans instead of being prepared as much as we can for what might await us just around the corner.

Live life to the fullest NOW and be observant of the world around us as it is NOW; not taking into account the latter part and all the info and knowledge 'gathered' up until now (e.g. non-negligible possibility that something wicked might drop by to say hello to us this very night), looks more in line of 'escapism' than what Keit posted, at least to me.

My 2 cents (or 2 lipas where I come from, although haven't seen that coin in a very long time )...

 

[forest_light]

Regarding the upcoming changes, she also mentions end of October-November, that this is when things will begin in earnest. What she also mentions is next year's April. Apparently according to her at that time we may find ourselves in a quite different reality. Nothing too new agy, or anything of a sort. As if off hand, while being careful with her delivery, she mentioned that we may see things that may appear as magic. In her previous interview she already mentioned strange things in the skies. This goes together with chaotic changes in weather and our current way of living.

April - drop dead date?
Transition to 4D?
“Seeing things that may appear as magic”, “strange things in the skies”

 

[Revolucionar]

I don't see this Keit's post as a call to 'escapism' (or sort of apocalyptic doomsday retreat), and I've had a habit of doing that in the past, even with Forum activities.
To me, it more looks like in line with what the Cs have said numerous times: "Forewarned means forearmed"; having a thought in mind that things may not go on in the same 'old way' as before for much longer, so not to make long(er) term plans and focus/arrange our lives around them.

These times we're living in are such, IMO, that it's very important to have open eyes and ears, and observe basically every little thing around us, as the world is changing in front of us almost every day, significantly, even during the same day, and make our choices accordingly.
Yes, I think we should prepare for the worst, as if it will come tomorrow, even today, not just wave our hands on the very idea of it (e.g. stocking some food, canning if possible, ...). Be present in the now and here, not allow to be 'sucked into' thinking and planning what might happen (or we wish would happen) in few months or even years, as in obtaining university degree and arranging our lives around how to (e.g. financially) support such long(er) term plans - and/or even maybe more importantly, give our energy/attention to such plans instead of being prepared as much as we can for what might await us just around the corner.

Live life to the fullest NOW and be observant of the world around us as it is NOW; not taking into account the latter part and all the info and knowledge 'gathered' up until now (e.g. non-negligible possibility that something wicked might drop by to say hello to us this very night), looks more in line of 'escapism' than what Keit posted, at least to me.

My 2 cents (or 2 lipas where I come from, although haven't seen that coin in a very long time )...

This sentence in particular caught my attention.

And her answer is usually very gentle, but she still tries to tell the parents that we are going to face such changes, that there may be no real point in contemplating such long term plans. As she puts it, we are at the point that it's quite probable that the child won't be able to finish the degree.

In other words, the world will come to an end tomorrow, so don't bother with anything that might be worthwhile.

I understand and agree with your point about being prepared, I'm certainly doing what I can myself, but I don't think it's helpful to give up on normal life when you have no idea how long it's still gonna take.

The Cs have said in the 90s that 2012 is the deadline, more or less. Well, we've got 9 more years after that and still counting. What if there's another 9 years to go, or 29?

The future is open and living in the now to create a better future is our task. Not to detach from the world and await its end. There's still stuff we need to do, but if the universe decides to call it quits tomorrow, then we'll accept that and go with the flow.

Maybe what's coming will require us to be prepared in other ways than having canned food and the like. Maybe we need to be as useful to others as possible by working on our skills and putting things around us in order in every conceivable way.

And maybe we're just talking about two sides of the same coin, you and I (haven't seen a 2 lipa coin in a long time. What's on it, corn? Can't remember)

 

[Human]

This sentence in particular caught my attention.

And her answer is usually very gentle, but she still tries to tell the parents that we are going to face such changes, that there may be no real point in contemplating such long term plans. As she puts it, we are at the point that it's quite probable that the child won't be able to finish the degree.

In other words, the world will come to an end tomorrow, so don't bother with anything that might be worthwhile.

I didn't get that impression, i.e. words "may be" and "probable" speak of potential future to me, not certainty.

I understand and agree with your point about being prepared, I'm certainly doing what I can myself, but I don't think it's helpful to give up on normal life when you have no idea how long it's still gonna take.

Agree completely, that's why I said "live now, but keep an eye on world around us and potential (immediate) future".

The future is open and living in the now to create a better future is our task. Not to detach from the world and await its end. There's still stuff we need to do, but if the universe decides to call it quits tomorrow, then we'll accept that and go with the flow.

Maybe what's coming will require us to be prepared in other ways than having canned food and the like. Maybe we need to be as useful to others as possible by working on our skills and putting things around us in order in every conceivable way.

Agree, with addition of 'allowing Universe/DCM to act through us and determine what "order" is and looks like'.
Laura's (I think) quote comes to mind, paraphrasing (can't find the exact one): "we're not here to merely be saved ourselves, but to live through the 'end times' and help saving others".

And maybe we're just talking about two sides of the same coin, you and I (haven't seen a 2 lipa coin in a long time. What's on it, corn? Can't remember)

It seems so to me, also.

And about 2 lipas coin, it's (grape)vine on it (almost Pauline/biblical, isn't it? ).

 

[seek10]

The Cs have said in the 90s that 2012 is the deadline, more or less. Well, we've got 9 more years after that and still counting. What if there's another 9 years to go, or 29?

They also said 2014 as year 0 and macrocosmic events takes time to manifest. The challenge with these specific dates/years is we don't know the criteria of events (in C's perspective) to look for and open future makes things fluid.

 

[Keit]

In other words, the world will come to an end tomorrow, so don't bother with anything that might be worthwhile.

I understand and agree with your point about being prepared, I'm certainly doing what I can myself, but I don't think it's helpful to give up on normal life when you have no idea how long it's still gonna take.

Well, that's not the message or the meaning that she was trying to convey. The point is that at the moment the world is in a state of flux on various levels. It means that one has to take into account that it's not possible to make long term plans without considering that they may change or not happen at all.

I think that covid is a good example of that. Only two years ago could anyone imagine that many of us may have our plans of going abroad totally ruined or seriously restricted? Not to mention other problems, like restaurant owners and many others losing their businesses due to lockdowns. They also had dreams and aspirations, and long term plans.

Not sure why this wasn't clear enough, perhaps because the topic of children was mentioned? And I can surely understand how hard and stressful it is for parents, seeing the world descending into chaos, and worrying about the future, while still wanting to give their children the best they can offer. And I don't see why it still isn't possible, and no one should stop applying to university or such.

In this particular case Dragan mentioned university, specifically studying to become a doctor, because it is a very long project that requires a serious commitment. It doesn't mean that people shouldn't start long projects, it just that they have to be prepared for the possibility of it not being completed, or not completed in the way they planned before.

Because often having one's plans and aspirations ruined can put the person out of balance and add more suffering and confusion. Don't see anything wrong with preparing for such eventuality. Sure, still do what's in you, and still dream and plan, but make sure to look left and right and take note of all the signs. And if covid is any indication, the signs are that we may have even more chaos coming our way. No need for astrologers for that.

Besides, I don't think that what she says is exactly how it may transpire. Perhaps the months she mentioned are just markers, and we shouldn't be tied to these specific periods. We will wait and see.

 

[gottathink]

Maybe mid October deadline has to do with vaccine expiry date?

 

[seve]

A few weeks ago I drew the cards for two people (mother and daughter who had been vaccinated) and they had the same deck ! When they came out of the darkness they would experience a paradigm shift. I was very challenged by this deck, which confirms everything we can read in different threads of the network. Is something different emerging in another reality after ? One of the questions was about the girl' s future school and career choices and the answer was that her question was not relevant in her next future because she would not have to ask it in those terms anymore. Disturbing, isn't it?
I thought about the message a lot before reading all these threads and it was formative for me about the changes taking place. Two other vaccinated people drew a game where their health was questioned in a disturbing way. In the final analysis, these different draws have given me an incredible amount of reflection.

 

[iamthatis]

Imagine instead a Grade Three pupil standing up in class after an indoctrination session on Critical Race Theory, and how to explore pan sexuality, and saying to the faculty, “This isn’t education! You guys are just a bunch of satanic perverts!”

I am a great believer in “As above, so below.”

In the same way that we have, in the last few years, seen an accelerating degradation in the “education“ given to our kids at school, in my 50 years here I have noticed a slower, but similarly accelerating, degradation in the experience of being in our “school”.

I’m not talking about the recent descent of the so-called western democracies into fascism.

I’m talking about reality itself becoming more contrived and formulaic, with a specific agenda that is becoming more and more visible.

To switch away from the school analogy, imagine some great classic epic film being converted and used as the basis of a tv series. Initially, you might not notice any degradation in the quality of the experience because it is so close to the source material. But over time, budget constraints start to bite, and the writers get tired and bored, and as time goes on and the original source material gets further away, the experience becomes cheesy, formulaic, and self-indulgent.

For me, we are now in the cheesy soap opera stage where everything is contrived and twisted with only echoes of the original source, and no effort on the part of the writers.

Now, I have always had a meta view of the world, where I was as fascinated with my own reaction to it as much as the experience itself.

But now there is no fascination any more (well, maybe a little residual intrigue about some aspects of Physics)…

Back to the school analogy: it’s as if the teachers have stopped trying to teach, and are now using the time to indulge their own fetishes and present the kids with a continuous stream of porn-slasher video nasties!

I’m not saying that I’ve learned enough. I’m calling out the quality and content of the lessons, and saying that they are not even lessons any more.

Incidentally, my core belief is that while we are trapped in this environment, it is ourselves that do the trapping - each time deciding to come back for another ride.

”Again!!! Again!!!”

In my case, the decision has been made at the core of my existence that it is time to move on. I’m not asking the teachers permission to move up to another grade. I’m just not interested in the school or its teachers.

Funnily enough, having made that decision, it has become almost comical watching the world’s contrivances and machinations through a detached lens.

This is a great discussion. The world-school is as you describe it - Fallen. And it's been that way for a long, long time, too.

There's a poem by W.B. Yeats:

Crazy Jane Talks With The Bishop​

I met the Bishop on the road
And much said he and I.
'Those breasts are flat and fallen now,
Those veins must soon be dry;
Live in a heavenly mansion,
Not in some foul sty.'

'Fair and foul are near of kin,
And fair needs foul,' I cried.
'My friends are gone, but that's a truth
Nor grave nor bed denied,
Learned in bodily lowliness
And in the heart's pride.

'A woman can be proud and stiff
When on love intent;
But Love has pitched his mansion in
The place of excrement;
For nothing can be sole or whole
That has not been rent.'

Yeats is making a little explosion go off in our heads with those last four lines. Although we are in 'the place of excrement', even in this world, here in 3D, Love has pitched his mansion.

What does the mansion look like? It's probably indescribable. But have the poetry of the Sufis to give us some hints. We also have the tales of chivalry and romance in the Regency Era thread as examples of the inhabitants of the mansion working through the excrement. We have the grand, exquisite architecture of the Cathedrals to get a glimpse of its structure. And then there are the gardens, the grand gardens of nature, of Mother Earth, the simple joys of bees and flowers and the whole of the plant and animal kingdom.

So we're in the place of excrement. I wholly agree with you on that. There is also Beauty everywhere. But this is not a paradox. It's quite clear that Beauty grows from the excrement - as a proper response and orientation to it. The best roses grow in manure, as Laura wrote as one of her title chapters in The Wave...

 

[flashgordonv]

New Zealand is now on the October 15th bandwagon
Just announced
“ "This will culminate in a national day for vaccination on Saturday 16 October, super Saturday. On that day, we will have vaccine clinics open all through Aotearoa all day and into the evening and a bit like election day, we will be asking all our civic and political leaders to contribute to a big effort to turn people out."

Covid-19 briefing: 'Super Saturday' push to get more NZers vaccinated

Kiwis need to pitch in for a final push to get as many people vaccinated as possible, says the Covid-19 Response Minister, who has announced a new "national day of action". Watch the government's latest briefing here.

www.rnz.co.nz

Saturday 16 obviously makes more sense than a weekday
But what is it with the mid October vaccine drive?
It’s weird

Thanks to timezones, Oct 16 in NZ Equals Oct 15 in both USA and Europe.

And there is no doubt the push to get the country vaccinated has turned into an absolute frenzy. We have the PM making statements like " the virus is actively hunting the unvaccinated so be safe and get vaccinated"

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

Thanks to timezones, Oct 16 in NZ Equals Oct 15 in both USA and Europe.

And there is no doubt the push to get the country vaccinated has turned into an absolute frenzy. We have the PM making statements like " the virus is actively hunting the unvaccinated so be safe and get vaccinated"

Kia Ora!