Ascien said:
shellycheval said:
Mooseheart
Once again, I thank you for your time.
You are welcome.
Mooseheart
I find the information from the C’s on this forum worthy to continue investigating, but it is quite draining to try to have a discussion with the members. It feels less a conversation, and more a reprimand session.
Then perhaps you would find it more beneficial to just read the material provided on the Cassiopaea site, SOTT, and the Forum for a while, without posting, and see if you find answers to your questions and useful information.
Exactly, well said & it boils down to that. I was thinking the same yesterday & trying to figure out how to say it in the most "friendly" way. Which would be over-compensating since people here are friendly enough. Personally I spent a few years just hopping back-and-forth here & on SOTT gathering information, being amazed & getting hungrier for more, wishing I could join. Then I learned that there was even MORE information that a non-member wouldn't have access to on the forum, so a person hunting for objective truth - no matter how unpleasant - would agree to the rules & press join & participate in building individual & collective knowledge, awareness, & understanding. How else is the veil of lies to be pierced & glimpse the truth?
Just to say, Avala I've re-read your post & again I thought there wasn't a problem with it. Especially as your response came after mods & ambassadors who did give a "friendly" response (& the same happened in response to TruthWarrior, who mooseheart thought wasn't being treated nice) & quite frankly it came across as a typical no-nonsense response from some others who chime in when a poster seems to be on "vectoring" duties. In fact, I speak like that in person in general, if needed. The people that seem to be always offended? The pathological/authoritarian types. You can be as friendly as you like, they'll still edit reality & think whatever suits them. Dunno about anyone else, but I'm getting sick of people coming on here saying they've read ALL the sessions, & ALL of the wave (or parts) & they know this that or the other. Then they show that they HAVEN'T by what they continue to say. Usually, certain things have to be teased out of them in a subtle way which exposes them nicely. Cue talk of "unfriendliness" or how one post proves what they already said about the "wrong" way the forum members operate. Can't forget about the sudden revelation about being in contact with ex-members who told 'em so. (it's a cult!) I simply can't imagine what it must be like to edit reality to such a massive extent. SMH.
So I have read parts of the conversation with these two individuals, and I agree with you. I didn't read it because I know where they will end, actually moose sounds like another anart, or lisa, or whatever they call themselves. It gets to a point where you believe yourself to be the reincarnation of Nostradamus, as you know the ending of the conversation. But in my case, it is because of more than external recognition, but internal.
If a group tells you "this is our rules, this is how we work, you are either in or out", they are in full right to say that, and if you think that is unfriendly and in that black and white thinking, you think they are wrong hence you are right, pardon my language but this alkhemist and the second user have no idea, what a -flick-@ING lack of respect they have for this group ! they live in a bubble. I've been ponerized in every cell, and still I had the opportunity to get out, like an alcoholic able to become free of his addiction, still aware that he can go and drink at any moment. All I needed was to read the material and meditate.
It was since I read political ponerology that I began to understand a great rule, you can be a normal being non psychopathic, and still become like one and worse. I was going through the second one. I don't know why, for what purpose, or for what ending I grew up in such a twisted environment full of wackos. My mother is the most histrionic non-sensical type of person, who can cry and then go party the next moment, with the most schyzoidal ultra sensitive father with a particular taste for the most immature, pathological desire for vengeance, one day I denied to drink coffee at night and the next morning he was humiliating me because the little guy felt hurt. Not to mention the antisocial bullies in school. It came to a point I had to copy paste their behaviors into myself to be able to survive, while at the same time I was getting interested in this group.
I knew I was going into a dangerous path because I was becoming a damn monster (the only place I thought I could fit was the military or something similar), some of the forumites know I've had my burst of pathological thinking and projection onto others. But still, if doing the work being a normal individual is hard, imagine to be in my situation. I was increasing my pathological capabilities to survive, as Andrew puts it, I was learning the language of psychopaths and be able to talk it, while being ignorant at heart and while increasing my general knowledge.
It came into a climatic point that I knew I had to do a decision, either go the full STS path and become a damn great villain, or just stay normal and heal my wounds, survive. You understand that the progression as a human being take two main paths, how, that depends on the individual. You can either impose yourself externally, dominate with violence or charms, and be like a black hole that controls everything even if you are destroying it, or you can learn how to adapt and redirect this anger internally in a non conscious way most of the times through depression. But you see, every tear up is like money in exchange of wisdom and knowledge. You adapt, You learn that if you are good for something you do it, if you don't just quit and let somebody else that is able to do it better to keep doing that work. The next time somebody comes and tries to tell you how to live your life
without you asking first, you just laugh on their faces because they have no idea how many wackos like them you've faced...

and believe me they run faster than anyone. Is like you can see at Death's eyes calmly, again, like Andrew says.
I gave it a chance, to learn about my instinctive circuits Laura talks about in the wave, the first one of defense provoking the second one of dominance and agression, being imprinted with the manipulative behavior of my father, who was a highly respected brother of the mormon church because of his speeches, go figure how schyzoidal he was, behind the veil he was poo with his family. Learning about my programs taking over me. So if this two women feel they have no time to work on themselves, and relate to the group in a gentle, comprehensive and considerate of years put into work, and that folk here is not friendly, I think they as well as others who think the same, can really shut the hell up and avoid wasting other people's time.