Session 20 September 2014

[Truth Warrior]

I've been reading these transcripts for a while now, and I'm often amazed at how few of the questions asked are for the benefit of the greater STO community.

Have you read the transcripts in conjunction with the Wave Series, or just the transcripts?

I've read all the Wave series and many of the books on this site. My comment refers to the last several sessions, especially this one.

To be clear, this isn't an attack on anyone. However, I do think with all the stressful things going on in the world, this resource could be used in a much more useful manner. (I'm not discounting the EE program, SOTT.net, or anything else here that DOES do a great deal of good.)

For example, just off the top of my head:

What can be done, if anything, to help the people who are suffering now? How can we STOP Ebola? Are there "safe areas" from which to work? Are there suggestions for things we all can do to prevent mandatory vaccination programs? Might group meditations help to keep comets from hitting the planet? Or is that even a good idea? Might a group meditation actually put a stop to the Ebola virus if enough of us are focused on it?

I'm sure we can all think of more.

There are a lot of people suffering out there right now, and I would give anything for access to 6th Density in order to have feedback for STO work. There is scientific proof that group meditations have very positive effects on the environment and the people in it, and this website could be used to set something up. At the very least, we might be able to make the transition smoother for everyone.

 

[1984]

To be clear, this isn't an attack on anyone. However, I do think with all the stressful things going on in the world, this resource could be used in a much more useful manner. [...]

'much more useful manner' implies that the 'resource' as you call it isn't being used in an STO manner. What is your interpretation of STO?

[...] Might group meditations help to keep comets from hitting the planet? Or is that even a good idea? Might a group meditation actually put a stop to the Ebola virus if enough of us are focused on it?

Are you currently involved with group meditations?

There are a lot of people suffering out there right now, and I would give anything for access to 6th Density in order to have feedback for STO work.

What is your interpretation of 'growing one's awareness' and the process involved in that?

There is scientific proof that group meditations have very positive effects on the environment and the people in it, and this website could be used to set something up. At the very least, we might be able to make the transition smoother for everyone.

Are you currently involved with group meditations?

 

[Chu]

I've read all the Wave series and many of the books on this site. My comment refers to the last several sessions, especially this one.

To be clear, this isn't an attack on anyone. However, I do think with all the stressful things going on in the world, this resource could be used in a much more useful manner. (I'm not discounting the EE program, SOTT.net, or anything else here that DOES do a great deal of good.)

Well, if you read carefully, most questions were not personal in the sessions from the last few months. Also, I think we can trust that if Laura has managed to keep contact, she must be doing it right. ;) The Cs have a way to redirect conversations when some questions aren't helping us learn.

The way you are suggesting using this resource in a much more useful manner, as you put it, would actually not only not help much, but it could also be detrimental. See below:

What can be done, if anything, to help the people who are suffering now? How can we STOP Ebola? Are there "safe areas" from which to work? Are there suggestions for things we all can do to prevent mandatory vaccination programs? Might group meditations help to keep comets from hitting the planet? Or is that even a good idea? Might a group meditation actually put a stop to the Ebola virus if enough of us are focused on it?

I'm sure we can all think of more.

The short answer is no. The longer one is suggesting that you re-read The Wave. Laura talked extensively about the problem regarding group meditation when a small group of people wishes to affect events like these. What is "right" for us may not be "right" for millions of people out there who wish and CHOOSE to remain asleep. I'm surprised that you would even frame your questions that way, since you are familiar with the material.

There are a lot of people suffering out there right now, and I would give anything for access to 6th Density in order to have feedback for STO work.]

Perhaps you aren't given access because what you are posing as STO work is really the opposite. You are suggesting a breaching of free will.

There is scientific proof that group meditations have very positive effects on the environment and the people in it, and this website could be used to set something up. At the very least, we might be able to make the transition smoother for everyone.

Unless you can quote from specific studies, all I've seen is small proof of groups of people being able to influence small random events, and things like that. But nothing major. Do you have any sources?

Making the transition smoother for everyone also involves violating free will, by the way. What we do here is share information and knowledge, and leave the door open for those who wish to learn. But we cannot force others to see, or to experience less pain. Each individual has their own path. What you are suggesting is contrary to that. You may find a lot of forums out there who claim similar things to what you are suggesting. Who knows, maybe it will work for them? But this is not what this forum is about.

 

[Chu]

Here are some quotes from The Wave that might explain things better to you, Truth Warrior:

It seems rather that we are supposed to apply ourselves to learning the ways and means of THIS density as completely and as well as we can. What good is it for a man (or woman) to say: “Oh! I can’t function in this world because I am really TOO spiritual for all that!” What is really going on is that the person has not a clue about this reality and how it works so that they can maneuver in the environment in an effective and useful way, to themselves or others. It’s all fine and good to want to meditate and work to improve the soul life and all that, but if there is no practical result in the real world, can we be justified in thinking that the person has yet to learn some of the lessons of maneuvering at this level?

[...] Then, of course, there is the question of making “leaps” as described above - wanting to “skip over” the 3rd density part and go right back to where all is wonderful and happy and peaceful. One has to realize that this sort of thinking is more deeply STS than it might at first appear because, in the end, what is wanted is to escape the hard work of learning the lessons of this density. What is wanted is “ease and comfort” and no work.

Such individuals want to sit in circles, contemplate their navels and chant “ooooommmm”, while bombarding the planet with their “unconditional love and light” so that everybody else will get with THEIR program, and we can all go home NOW! (Note that “their program” contradicts the “unconditional” nature of the love and light they send!)

{...} This idea of being on a “learning cycle” and the progress being determined by events and circumstances is made a little clearer in the following:

Remember, density refers to one’s conscious awareness only. Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness.

This seems to be a crucial key to our understanding of the events and manifestations of our lives. “Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness.” What does this mean, really?

[...] I have tried to convey to many people the amazing changes in my own life as a result of the change in my awareness - the burning away of what I had believed, or wanted to believe about our world for so many years.

What I have had difficulty describing is the completely NEW feeling that the universe has for me. It is truly like I went from a completely different universe to the one I presently occupy, and all the rules are different -commensurate with my awareness. As I gained more and more knowledge about the way things worked, I began to apply it to all that I experienced in my daily life. This brought about many changes because I made different choices about things than the choices I would have formerly made. Yes, many of these choices were based on “things unseen”, things that went against the standard, indoctrinated cultural view of our world with which we are brainwashed by our society, and many of these choices were simply incomprehensible in ordinary terms. But, the fact is, I made them, acted on them, and the results were nothing short of amazing! I was learning to read the “subtle clues” about the world and the interactions of people that are “veiled” from us. And these clues were well beyond the usual “psychic impressions” of your standard “psychic sensitive”, I can assure you! Quite often, it required very hard work to “see” beyond what I “wished to see” based on emotional inclinations, or what “felt good”. Sometimes, seeing the truth feels very “bad”, but only because we are conditioned that way.

[...] To live in a condition where one denies the right of the so-called “base character traits” to exist, to consider them an “error” or a “rebellion”, a “Satanic delusion”, is to deny fully half of existence, fully half of God - to reject Him, to NOT love him; to love only those parts that the limited human mind consider to be “acceptable” and to “hate” those parts that are not “pleasant” and desirable to fleshly comfort - amounts to loving subjectively only the part of the self that is “acceptable”. This is a crucial point: to ACCEPT one’s own self, in all its many parts.

It is very important to note that this does NOT mean that one “manifests” every negative character trait, it means that one accepts, loves, and tries always to choose to manifest the noble traits and to channel the base traits productively. To love objectively, all that IS, unconditionally, both the light and the darkness, and to NEVER interfere with the Free Will of another to choose to do or be as they see fit is one of the keys; one of the “simple understandings”.

Of course, at the same time, it is to refuse to have one’s own Free Will violated. You don’t have to act “against” another, you merely act “for your own destiny” in such cases.
[...]

I'd say that the entire volume 2 relates to these questions you asked. One of the most important clues from the Cs about it are quoted there too:

09-19-98
Q: (L) Okay, now [a correspondent writes and] says: “Laura brought up several comments about Love that confused me. I do not understand how giving love when not being asked could harm instead of improve.” Can you remark on this?
A: “Giving” love is not giving, in such a case.
Q: (L) So, if you give love when you have not been asked, you are NOT giving?
A: You are taking, as usual.
Q: (L) When you say you are “taking”, what are you taking?
A: Energy, à la STS.
Q: (L) How does it come that you are taking energy from someone by giving them love when not asked?
A: Because an STS vehicle does not learn to be an STO candidate by determining the needs of another.
Q: (L) I don’t understand how that means you are taking energy?
A: Because the act is then one of self-gratification. If one “gives” where there is no request, therefore no need, this is a free will violation! And besides, what other motivation could there possibly be in such a scenario?!? Think carefully and objectively about this.
Q: (L) My thought would be that, in such a scenario, that if one gives love to someone who has not asked or requested, that it seems to be a desire to change the other, i.e., a desire to control.
A: You got it!!
Q: (L) Now he says further: “Yes, everything is lessons and if a person has chosen a specific path they should be allowed to go and learn their way. But, let’s say this is happening to someone you really love. And let’s say that the person may be in a period of his life that his/her thoughts are probably taking her/him to commit, let’s say, a murder. Don’t you think that if you send this person love, even unconsciously, that it may provide the necessary energy (influence) to stop that murder?” Comment please.
A: No, no, no!!! In fact, if anything, such an energy transference even could enhance the effect.
Q: (L) In what way?
A: Imbalanced waves could be drawn upon by the receiver.
Q: (L) I think that this word he used is a clue: ”Don’t you think that if you send the person love, it could provide the person the necessary energy” and in parentheses he has the word “influence” which implies control of the other person’s behavior, to “stop that murder”. So, it seems that there is a desire to control the actions of another person.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) But, his intent is entirely benevolent because he wants to stop a murder, which is the saving of a life, as well as prevent the loved one from going to prison. So, it SEEMS to be benevolent in intent. Does this not make a difference?
A: Have we forgotten about Karma?
Q: (L) Well, I mentioned the fact that one cannot always judge these situations because we don’t know. We cannot know. For all we know the potential murder victim is an Adolf Hitler type or the potential parent of one, or something like that, and then the murder would save many lives with the sacrifice of two lives; or that this murder is supposed to happen because of some karmic interaction that is essential between the murderer and victim, and that we simply cannot KNOW these things and judge them.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) He says: “I believe that if we do not send love energy to the world that the egocentric STS energy will be dominating.”
A: Why would one choose to send this? What is the motivation?
Q: (L) To change it to your idea of what it is supposed to be. To control it to follow your judgment of how things ought to be.
A: Exactly. The students are not expected to be the architects of the school.
Q: (L) So, when you seek to impose or exert influence of any kind, you are, in effect, trying to play God and taking it upon yourself to decide that there is something wrong with the universe that it is up to you to fix, which amounts to judgment.
A: Yes, you see, one can advise, that is okay, but do not attempt to alter the lesson.
Q: (L) He also says: “I believe that an enlightened being is emanating love where ever that person is, and this is even without being asked. It just happens because that is what they are - love.” Comment, please.
A: An enlightened being is not love. And a refrigerator is not a highway.
Q: (L) What?! Talk about your mixed metaphors! I don’t get that one!
A: Why not?
Q: (L) They are completely unrelated!
A: Exactly!!!
Q: (L) What IS an enlightened being?
A: An enlightened being.
Q: (L) What are the criteria for being an enlightened being?
A: Being enlightened!
Q: (L) When one is enlightened, what is the profile?
A: This is going nowhere because you are doing the proverbial round hole, square peg routine.
Q: (L) What I am trying to get to is an understanding of an enlightened being. This correspondent and a LOT of other people have the idea that an enlightened being IS LOVE, and that is what they radiate, and that this is a result of being enlightened.
A: No, no, no, no, no. “Enlightened” does not mean good. Just smart.
Q: (L) Okay, so there are STS and STO enlightened beings?
A: Yes, we believe the overall ratio is 50/50.
Q: (L) Okay, what is the profile of an enlightened STO being?
A: An intelligent being who only gives.
Q: (L) Well, since we have dealt with the idea of not giving love to those who don’t ask, what do they give and to whom do they give it?
A: All, to those who ask.
Q: (L) Okay. A group member responded to him writing: “E***, thank you for your pointing out the paradox of the concept of the expression of love between the C’s and that as some of us think we know, but KNOW what we experience. I feel that it may be very difficult for the C’s to deliver adequate understanding into our 3rd density or dimension. [...]
(S) My view of the paradox is thus: If one emanates love as a natural course to the Universe it is not consciously limited or directed - at least I, for one, cannot do this- that simply is the way some of us are a lot of the ‘time’. To eliminate groups or individuals is beyond my comprehension and it certainly would compromise my experience of sending love. Unless one is Bodhisattva, love is probably only directed with greater intensity when focused toward an individual; how is one to know whether the intended recipient is ready/able to receive? [...] And ‘receive,’ I think is a clue: the intended recipient can either remain oblivious or ward off the love energy - free agency.

A: Yes.
Q: (L) If it IS “love energy”, is it subsequently corrupted by STS?
A: Maybe.
Q: (S) Giving love to the Universe may be the best way generally, but if one does focus toward a loved one and it CAN be effective, could the general Universe be JUST as effective?
A: The universe is about balance. Nuff said!

I hope it helps clarify your doubts.

 

[Truth Warrior]

To be clear, this isn't an attack on anyone. However, I do think with all the stressful things going on in the world, this resource could be used in a much more useful manner. [...]

'much more useful manner' implies that the 'resource' as you call it isn't being used in an STO manner. What is your interpretation of STO?

No, I didn't imply that. I said "much more useful."

My interpretation? Uh...service to others. "Others" meaning not just me. :/

Yes, I am involved in several group meditations, as I have a group that scheduled via Twitter each month. So far, the results have been very promising.

 

[Oxajil]

What can be done, if anything, to help the people who are suffering now? How can we STOP Ebola? Are there "safe areas" from which to work? Are there suggestions for things we all can do to prevent mandatory vaccination programs? Might group meditations help to keep comets from hitting the planet? Or is that even a good idea? Might a group meditation actually put a stop to the Ebola virus if enough of us are focused on it?

I'm sure we can all think of more.

The short answer is no. The longer one is suggesting that you re-read The Wave. Laura talked extensively about the problem regarding group meditation when a small group of people wishes to affect events like these. What is "right" for us may not be "right" for millions of people out there who wish and CHOOSE to remain asleep. I'm surprised that you would even frame your questions that way, since you are familiar with the material.

Yea, it would be free will violation. I'd also recommend you to watch all of the "Knowledge & Being" videos that you can find on youtube, I've found them very helpful. Laura also discusses what you're suggesting in this 3min Q&A video: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwYlg2NRS8

 

[Bluefyre]

Thank you everyone for another session, especially Laura for sitting while in so much pain. I hope you recover quickly!

 

[Truth Warrior]

Well, if you read carefully, most questions were not personal in the sessions from the last few months. Also, I think we can trust that if Laura has managed to keep contact, she must be doing it right. ;) The Cs have a way to redirect conversations when some questions aren't helping us learn.

This was exactly my point:

A: Bacterial overgrowth. Enough personal questions. Goodbye.

There are a lot of people suffering out there right now, and I would give anything for access to 6th Density in order to have feedback for STO work.

Perhaps you aren't given access because what you are posing as STO work is really the opposite. You are suggesting a breaching of free will.

Wow. Who said I wasn't "given access"? This implies that I've tried, which I have not. It seems to me that you're far too quick to judge with such limited information as I've offered so far. Never have I suggested anyone breach anyone else's free will, and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I have.

If you are somehow offended by my post, I would prefer you say so directly instead of making groundless accusations.

There is scientific proof that group meditations have very positive effects on the environment and the people in it, and this website could be used to set something up. At the very least, we might be able to make the transition smoother for everyone.

Unless you can quote from specific studies, all I've seen is small proof of groups of people being able to influence small random events, and things like that. But nothing major. Do you have any sources?

_http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/

Try Google for more.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one here has heard of this study.

Meditation alone can't force anyone to feel good if they'd rather not. I'm not aware of any group meditations that have been able to control other people against their will, do you?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Here are some quotes from The Wave that might explain things better to you, Truth Warrior:

Yes, all that was very interesting. I remember reading it, and I agree with it.

The problem here, I believe, is that the C's are talking about a kind of codependency, a kind of "here, let me do that FOR you whether you want it or not" kind of behavior. This is not what I'm talking about.

What we've done in our meditation group is to simply attempt to raise the level of the Light that is available to those who's Higher Selves wish to use it. (The argument of whether that's necessary at all is another topic.)

Speaking for only myself, I'm not under any grand illusion that I can "save" people or have us "all go home NOW." Our meditations come from a heart of compassion and is no different, in essence, than the work that is done here.

Example: the EE program is offered to those who wish to use it to alleviate stress, no? Does putting these videos online take away responsibility from those who do not wish to use it? No. It's offered out of a sense of caring for those who are suffering. It offers something in a place where nothing of the kind existed prior.

Sending "love and light," or whatever you wish to call it, to those who might desire a little help is NOT an STS activity. If a group meditation somehow gives a little extra peace to someone who just watched their entire family die of Ebola, then I'm all for it. (If you don't believe this works, then the STS question is moot, anyway.)

 

[1984]

What we've done in our meditation group is to simply attempt to raise the level of the Light that is available to those who's Higher Selves wish to use it. [...]

How does one go about raising the level of light available? How do you measure or quantify that? How do you know exactly what effect what you are doing is having on the planet or its inhabitants? Since you have read the transcripts, here is an appropriate quote from the C's re: sending love and light:

Q: (L) And, if you send 'buckets of love and light' to such a one, and that is their path, you are violating their free will?
A: You might as well send "buckets" of vomit as that is how they will react.

Speaking for only myself, I'm not under any grand illusion that I can "save" people or have us "all go home NOW." Our meditations come from a heart of compassion and is no different, in essence, than the work that is done here.

How do you compare what you are referring to what you do, and what Work is being done here?

Sending "love and light," or whatever you wish to call it, to those who might desire a little help is NOT an STS activity. If a group meditation somehow gives a little extra peace to someone who just watched their entire family die of Ebola, then I'm all for it. (If you don't believe this works, then the STS question is moot, anyway.)

It doesn't appear that you have a good grasp on STO vs STS. Laura previously wrote:

"Sending love to the earth" is quite all right. But trying to change anything about the earth is a violation of the free will of the earth to follow its own destiny. Sending love to those who have not asked for it is also a violation of their free will. More than anything, it depends on your motivations.

The following are some exchanges with the Cs on the subject of love:

A: Wanting to help others can often be STS if the reason, at deep levels is fear of loss.

Q: (L) Loss of what?

A: Respect, love, others opinions, and a big one self image.

Q: (L) Okay, now Eddie says:

'Laura brought up several comments about Love that
confused me. I do not understand how could giving love
when not being asked could harm instead of improve.' Can
you remark on this?

A: "Giving" love is not giving, in such a case.

Q: So, if you give love when you have not been asked, you are
NOT giving?

A: You are taking, as usual.

Q: When you say you are 'taking,' what are you taking?

A: Energy, a la STS.

Q: How does it come that you are taking energy from someone
by giving them love when not asked?

A: Because an STS vehicle does not learn to be an STO
candidate by determining the needs of another.

Q: I don't understand how that means you are taking energy?

A: Because the act is then one of self-gratification. If one
"gives" where there is no request, therefore no need, this
is a free will violation! And besides, what other
motivation could there possibly be in such a scenario?!?
Think carefully and objectively about this.

Q: My thought would be that, in such a scenario, that if one
gives love to someone who has not asked or requested, that
it seems to be a desire to change the other, i.e. a desire
to control.

A: You got it!!

Q: Now he says further:

'Yes, everything is lessons and if a
person has chosen a specific path they should be allowed
to go and learn their way. But, let's say this is
happening to someone you really love. And let's say that
the person may be in a period of his life that his/her
thoughts are probably taking her/him to commit, let's say,
a murder. Don't you think that if you send this person
love, even unconsciously, that it may provide the
necessary energy (influence) to stop that murder?'
Comment please.

A: No, no, no!!! In fact, if anything, such an energy
transference even could enhance the effect.

Q: In what way?

A: Imbalanced waves could be drawn upon by the receiver.

Q: I think that this word he used is a clue: 'Don't you think
that if you send the person love, it could provide the
person the necessary energy' and in parentheses he has the
word 'influence' which implies control of the other
person's behavior, to 'stop that murder.' So, it seems
that there is a desire to control the actions of another
person.

A: Yes.

Q: But, his intent is entirely benevolent because he wants to
stop a murder which is the saving of a life, as well as
prevent the loved one from going to prison. So, it SEEMS
to be benevolent in intent. Does this not make a
difference?

A: Have we forgotten about Karma?

Q: Well, both Sylvia and I mentioned the fact that one cannot
always judge these situations because we don't know. We
cannot know. For all we know the potential murder victim
is an Adolf Hitler type or the potential parent of one, or
something like that, and then the murder would save many
lives with the sacrifice of two lives, or that this murder
is supposed to happen because of some karmic interaction
that is essential between the murderer and victim, and
that we simply cannot KNOW these things and judge them.

A: Yes.

Q: Any other comment about that?

A: No.

Q: He says: 'I believe that if we do not send love energy to
the world that the egocentric STS energy will be
dominating.

A: Why would one choose to send this? What is the
motivation?

Q: To change it to your idea of what it is supposed to be.
To control it to follow your judgment of how things ought
to be.

A: Exactly. The students are not expected to be the
architects of the school.

Q: So, when you seek to impose or exert influence of any
kind, you are, in effect, trying to play God and taking it
upon yourself to decide that there is something wrong with
the universe that it is up to you to fix, which amounts to
judgment.

A: Yes, you see, one can advise, that is okay, but do not
attempt to alter the lesson.

Q: He also says: 'I believe that an enlightened being is
emanating love where ever that person is, and this is even
without being asked. It just happens because that is what
they are - love.' Comment, please.

A: An enlightened being is not love. And a refrigerator is
not a highway.

Q: What?! Talk about your mixed metaphors! I don't get that
one!

A: Why not?

Q: They are completely unrelated!

A: Exactly!!!

Q: What IS an enlightened being?

A: An enlightened being.

Q: What is the criteria for being an enlightened being?

A: Being enlightened!

Q: When one is enlightened, what is the profile?

A: This is going nowhere because you are doing the proverbial
round hole, square peg routine.

Q: What I am trying to get to is an understanding of an
enlightened being. Eddie and a LOT of other people have
the idea that an enlightened being IS LOVE, and that is
what they radiate, and that this is a result of being
enlightened.

A: No, no, no, no, no. "Enlightened" does not mean good.
Just smart.

Q: Okay, so there are STS and STO enlightened beings?

A: Yes, we believe the overall ratio is 50/50.

Q: Okay, what is the profile of an enlightened STO being?

A: An intelligent being who only gives.

Q: Well, since we have dealt with the idea of not giving love
to those who don't ask, what do they give and to whom do
they give it?

A: All; to those who ask.

Q: He says: 'As you can see, I believe in the power of love.
I am open to try to understand that which I have not yet
been able to. Perhaps that is why I am here with you
guys. So, could we talk more about this subject? Could
provide more of what the C's have said about Love?' I
collected the excerpts from the text about love and how
you had said that Knowledge was love and light was
knowledge and all that. Anything further you can add to
that?

A: No, because the receiver to this does not wish to receive.

Q: Okay. Sylvia responded:

'Eddie thank you for your
pointing out the paradox of the concept of the expression
of love between the C's and that as some of us think we
know, but KNOW what we experience. I feel that it may be
very difficult for the C's to deliver adequate
understanding into our 3rd density or dimension. [...] My
view of the paradox is thus: If one emanates love as a
natural course to the Universe it is not consciously
limited or directed - at least I, for one, cannot do this;
that simply is the way some of us are a lot of the 'time.'
To eliminate groups or individuals, is beyond my
comprehension to constantly define since a lot of this is
done unconsciously anyway; and it certainly would
compromise my experience of sending love. Unless one is
Bodhisattva, love is probably only directed with greater
intensity when focused toward an individual; how is one to
know whether the intended recipient is not ready/able to
receive?' [...] And 'receive,' I think is a clue: the
intended recipient can either remain oblivious or ward off
the love energy - free agency.

A: Yes.

Q: If it IS 'love energy' is it subsequently corrupted by
STS?

A: Maybe.

Q: She then says: 'If one directs love very specifically
toward an individual it can be directed freely,
judgementally, subjectively..... One challenge is to
direct love freely...'

A: No.

Q: 'Giving love to the Universe may be the best way
generally, but if one does focus toward a loved one and it
CAN be effective, could the general Universe be JUST as
effective?'

A: The universe is about balance. Nuff said!

Q: Next, in regard to this not giving of love when not asked,
she says: 'That does not mesh with networking to spread
KNOWLEDGE among those who care and love. THAT is
directed...'

A: What?

Q: Well, I DID point out that the only reason we have even
gotten anything is because we asked for a LONG time,
repeatedly and sincerely.

A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density.
You are by nature, STS. You can be an STO candidate, but
you are NOT STO until you are on 4th density. You will
NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted
conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.

And another:

Q: (L) And there are people for whom STS is simply their
choice. It is their path.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, it is a judgment and a disservice to try to
convert someone to your path, even if you perceive the end
result of the path they are on, that it leads to
dissolution? It is still their path?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, if you send 'buckets of love and light' to such a
one, and that is their path, you are violating their free
will?

A: You might as well send "buckets" of vomit as that is how
they will react.

Q: (MM) Why send anything? Just be neutral?

A: Judgment is STS.

Q: (L) What is it that limits our awareness?

A: Your environment. And it is the environment that you have
chosen. By your level of progress. And that is what
limits everything. As you rise to higher levels of
density, limitations are removed.

Q: (L) What creates this environment of limitation?

A: It is the grand illusion which is there for the purpose of
learning.

Q: (L) And who put the illusion into place?

A: The Creator who is also the Created. Which is also you
and us and all. As we have told you, we are you and vice
versa. And so is everything else.

Q: (L) Is the key that it is all illusion?

A: Basically, yes.

Q: (L) So, essentially...

A: As we have told you before, if you will be patient just a
moment, the universe is merely a school. And, a school
is there for all to learn. That is why everything exists.
There is no other reason. Now, if only you understood the
true depth of that statement, you would begin to start to
see, and experience for yourself, all the levels of
density that it is possible to experience, all the
dimensions that it is possible to experience, all
awareness. When an individual understands that statement
to its greatest possible depth, that individual becomes
illumined. And, certainly you have heard of that. And,
for one moment, which lasts for all eternity, that
individual knows absolutely everything that there is to
know.

Q: (L) So, you are saying that the path to illumination is
knowledge and not love?

A: That is correct.

Q: (L) Is it also correct that emotion can be used to
mislead, that is emotions that are twisted and generated
strictly from the flesh or false programming?

A: Emotion that limits is an impediment to progress. Emotion
is also necessary to make progress in 3rd density. It is
natural. When you begin to separate limiting emotions
based on assumptions from emotions that open one to
unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for
the next density.

Q: (L) What about Love?

A: What about it?

Q: (L) There are many teachings that are promulgated that
Love is the key, the answer. They say that illumination
and knowledge and what-not can all be achieved through
love. A: The problem is not the term "love," the problem
is the interpretation of the term. Those on third density
have a tendency to confuse the issue horribly. After all,
they confuse many things as love. When the actual
definition of love as you know it is not correct either.
It is not necessarily a feeling that one has that can also
be interpreted as an emotion, but rather, as we have told
you before, the essence of light which is knowledge is
love, and this has been corrupted when it is said that
love leads to illumination. Love is Light is Knowledge.
Love makes no sense when common definitions are used as
they are in your environment. To love you must know. And
to know is to have light. And to have light is to love.
And to have knowledge is to love.

 

[Palinurus]

Sending "love and light," or whatever you wish to call it, to those who might desire a little help is NOT an STS activity. If a group meditation somehow gives a little extra peace to someone who just watched their entire family die of Ebola, then I'm all for it. (If you don't believe this works, then the STS question is moot, anyway.)

Hi Truth Warrior,

I hope you can understand you're on a slippery slope here. What if righteous anger and actions following from that state of mind would be the adequate response to that given situation ?!?

Your actions would be counterproductive in those circumstances, I think.

Can you take responsibility for something like that ? And if affirmative, how so ??

And my sincere thanks to 1984 for weighing in accordingly with elucidating quotations I hadn't available at hand.

 

[Lilou]

[quote author= Truth Warrior]

_http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/

Try Google for more.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one here has heard of this study. [/quote]

If you take a minute to use the forum's search function, you will see several threads that talk about John Hagelin, Phd and we are aware of his mass meditation experiment. His experiment is discussed in this podcast by physicist and mathematician Arkadiusz Jadczyk. The bottom line is that Dr. Hagelin's one experiment is not enough to prove mass meditation can "create our own reality".

 

[Truth Warrior]

It's tedious going around in circles on a topic that has little to do with what I posted.

Whether you think a meditation group is useful or not, the gist of my post was that the resource of the C's could be used much better than it is now. I based this on the final comment made by the C's themselves.

Unfortunately, some here take that personally. Maybe there's a reason.

I can see why so many people leave here frustrated. There is an entire forum topic on another board devoted entirely to people who dared suggest that something here might be improved, and instead got met with attacks on their level of knowledge, whether they've read everything Laura has written, or if their knowledge is of the same [and so much higher] level of whomever is doing the attacking. Perhaps this gave rise to the idea so many people have that this is a cult. (No, I currently don't believe this.)

If you can't see that the C's themselves are trying to give you a very obvious hint, then there is nothing more on the topic to say.

 

[1984]

It's tedious going around in circles on a topic that has little to do with what I posted.

It doesn't look like we are going around and around in circles to me - why do you feel that way?

Whether you think a meditation group is useful or not, the gist of my post was that the resource of the C's could be used much better than it is now. I based this on the final comment made by the C's themselves.

Once again, you are missing the definition and understanding of STO vs STS and the quotes I left for you regarding same. It also appears you feel you have a better grasp on interpreting the C's comments more so than Laura. Um, the C's ARE Laura.

Unfortunately, some here take that personally. Maybe there's a reason.

As far as I can tell, no one here is taking anything personally - that's just not how it works here. Emotion is left at the door.

I can see why so many people leave here frustrated. There is an entire forum topic on another board devoted entirely to people who dared suggest that something here might be improved, and instead got met with attacks on their level of knowledge, whether they've read everything Laura has written, or if their knowledge is of the same [and so much higher] level of whomever is doing the attacking. Perhaps this gave rise to the idea so many people have that this is a cult. (No, I currently don't believe this.)

I think I know what 'entire other forum topic' you mention, but you should post the link to it, instead of just implying it. We don't like leaving things to folks' imagination here.

If you can't see that the C's themselves are trying to give you a very obvious hint, then there is nothing more on the topic to say.

Apparently, you have also missed the fact that the C's ARE Laura, so your 'obvious hint' remark is moot.

 

[Renaissance]

I've read all the Wave series and many of the books on this site. My comment refers to the last several sessions, especially this one.

To be clear, this isn't an attack on anyone. However, I do think with all the stressful things going on in the world, this resource could be used in a much more useful manner. (I'm not discounting the EE program, SOTT.net, or anything else here that DOES do a great deal of good.)

For example, just off the top of my head:

What can be done, if anything, to help the people who are suffering now? How can we STOP Ebola? Are there "safe areas" from which to work? Are there suggestions for things we all can do to prevent mandatory vaccination programs? Might group meditations help to keep comets from hitting the planet? Or is that even a good idea? Might a group meditation actually put a stop to the Ebola virus if enough of us are focused on it?

A number of the recent sessions do address these topics. For example, regarding suffering of humanity this session opens with:

A: Ileaghona of Cassiopaea source present. Energies are difficult due to global EM patternings at this "time".

Q: (L) I guess the obvious question is to ask: Why?

A: Widespread suffering prewave approaches.

Q: (Pierre) So it's the suffering of human beings that has an influence on the global EM pattern?

A: Yes. When the levels rise, balancing will begin in earnest.

Q: (L) Are you saying that it's almost necessary for suffering to be even more widespread than it is for the changes to come?

A: Indeed, humanity will finally be united.

Q: (Perceval) Finally united in suffering?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) That's the only kind of unity possible? Great!

A: No, not the only kind possible.

Q: (L) In theory. But people can't get together because of all the problems we know about. So if they can't get together that way, they get together another way...

(Pierre) Yeah, if they can't get together in a positive way, like cooperating and working together, then they can get together the negative way.

(Perceval) They suffer together because of their ignorance.

So, it seem what the C's are saying is that the path humanity has chosen will involve suffering and that will be a unifying force. There may be other paths, but those aren't really in the cards given the course chosen and the lessons that haven't been learned on a mass scale.

Ebola has been discussed in a handful of recent sessions. Here's one that has some great info:

Session 26 April 2014

Q: (L) Is the ketogenic diet going to help with plague resistance, or Ebola resistance even?

A: Very likely, but more is needed in the way of spiritual preparation.

Q: (L) Such as? Are ya'll caught up with that? [review of answer] (Menrva) The spiritual preparation, is that EE, community living, talking around the kitchen table?

A: Connect the chakras for superstrength and resistance.

Q: (Approaching Infinity) Are there any more specific practical exercises we can do to connect chakras?

A: [letters come very rapidly] Talking and working out issues is the way to train the machine. But more than that, it is necessary to master the self and that requires suffering which turns on DNA.

Q: (L) In short, the Work is work.

A: You got it!!!

Regarding meditation and what has already been written about in the Wave, there's also this:

http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/08/the-wave-chapter-8-everywhere-you-look-there-is-the-face-of-god/

It seems rather that we are supposed to apply ourselves to learning the ways and means of this density as completely and as well as we can. What good is it for a man (or woman) to say, “Oh! I can’t function in this world because I am really too spiritual for all that!” What is really going on is that the person has not a clue about this reality and how it works so that they can maneuver in the environment in an effective and useful way, to themselves or others. It’s all fine and good to want to meditate and work to improve the soul life and all that, but if there is no practical result in the real world, can we be justified in thinking that the person has yet to learn some of the lessons of maneuvering at this level? The excerpt taken from the last chapter makes this point in a new and different way. The C’s asked, “Who says you have to “get it” before you get there [4D]?” Most importantly, you must have learned all of the lessons of third density — the universal “karmic and simple understandings”. As for clues as to what these lessons are, the C’s mentioned the following:

Alright, my dear, you want the facts, so we will give them to you, and hopefully you will comprehend. If not now, then when necessary maybe…

Fact number one: All there is is lessons.
Fact two: This is one big school.
Fact three: Timing as you perceive it, is never, NEVER definite.
Fact four: What is to happen, as you state it, is a ways off, and will not occur until you have reached that point on the learning cycle, and you are not close yet. Now ponder before more facts are given!! […]
Fact five: The learning cycle is variable, and progress along it is determined by events and circumstances as they unfold.

Many people have written to ask me about “wanting knowledge”. It seems to them that the gaining and gathering of knowledge is an STS activity, but as the C’s in the same session, “That is not passion; it is soul questing.”

Then, of course, there is the question of making “leaps” — wanting to skip over the third density part and go right back to where all is wonderful and happy and peaceful. One has to realize that this sort of thinking is more deeply STS than it might at first appear because, in the end, what is wanted is to escape the hard work of learning the lessons of this density. What is wanted is ease and comfort and no work. Such individuals want to sit in circles, contemplate their navels and chant “Oooommmm”, while bombarding the planet with their “unconditional love and light” so that everybody else will get with their program, and we can all go home now! (Note that “their program” contradicts the unconditional nature of the love and light they send!)

There's more in the Wave about this issue and also some of the dynamics of STS and STO that would probably be helpful to look into Truth Warrior. We all have different lenses that we interpret information though, and that can prevent certain information from getting through. I think the Wave is written in a way that tackles a lot of these lenses we carry, but sometimes a bit of feedback from others can also be helpful to see things that we might not have seen.

It's tedious going around in circles on a topic that has little to do with what I posted.

People have posted on how you thought things can be improved. There's always room for improvement, but much of what you described has already been gone over. No harm, no foul.

Whether you think a meditation group is useful or not, the gist of my post was that the resource of the C's could be used much better than it is now. I based this on the final comment made by the C's themselves.

The C's were addressing specific questions. I don't think they apply across the board though. I think most would agree that personal questions should be limited. I think for the most part there's an effort to go in that direction in the most recent sessions.

I can see why so many people leave here frustrated. There is an entire forum topic on another board devoted entirely to people who dared suggest that something here might be improved, and instead got met with attacks on their level of knowledge, whether they've read everything Laura has written, or if their knowledge is of the same [and so much higher] level of whomever is doing the attacking. Perhaps this gave rise to the idea so many people have that this is a cult. (No, I currently don't believe this.)

There's been quite a number of pathological types that don't get along here, and then go on with the cult accusations when things aren't done the way they demand they be done. It's nothing new. I am curious though if you can provide some specific examples of anyone who has read everything Laura has written, who left, and whose knowledge is 'so much higher', and where such attacks occurred? Seems you have something/someone specific in mind, so maybe you could share?