Session 24 January 2026

Thanks so much Laura, Andromeda and all the team for another amazing session.

But, most of all, thanks for sharing it with us. :hug2:






It would have been interesting to have the idea of the C's on the fact that music changed from a frequency of 432 Hz to 440 Hz around 1950 or what is the best frequency for humans?



It may be better.
But know one thing.
Many proponents of this idea argue 432 hertz produce prettier patterns on water.
This is not true, the patterns depend on several factors, including on the container size. One can make pretty water cymatic patterns at 440 hertz as well.
It's largely misleading this viral image comparing patterns at 432 and 440 hertz.
 

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The discussion on electronic music has been very interesting on this thread. About 20% of my album collection is electronic stuff; ambient, trip-hop, some mild techno, drum n bass. It is usually very high energy music, but yeah, not particularly transcendent stuff. I'll not be ditching these records, but I'll only give them a listen if I'm in the right mood.

Also I've been wondering about various keyboard instruments. There's the Hammond Organ, Vox Continental (I'm a big fan of Ray Manzarek of The Doors) and even the Mellotron, which uses tape samples of traditional instruments, and has a very distinctive sound. Needless to say, I'll be listening to my albums with fresh ears from now on, and attempting to discern which types of music appeal to me the most. And what about funk artists like Stevie Wonder? His albums from the 70's are sensational, but he uses a ton of Moogs on his work. Damn, this is a minefield...:umm:
 
After hefty session of praising I want to deduct something out of the chosen speaker name of the C´s : "Koelia"
"Koelia" (orkoelia) is derived from the Greek word for "abdomen" or "belly" (kolíak)

Makes me think about maybe something related to indigestion, consecuences about what has been happening around holy land and everywhere else by the same perpetuaters. And all the things wrong about the global system etc. If you know you know , its all so viceral.

Funny, because this winter's flu season is affecting people's digestion big time. There seems to be a residual irritable bowel syndrome that has everyone on some sort of restricted diet, at least temporarily.

A: Pray without ceasing. The universe is very aware. Goodbye.

After the session ended, there was a mention of Gurdjieff's self-remembering as a way of self-awareness, pray without ceasing. Here's a brief recap from Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous".

"Identifying is the chief obstacle to self-remembering. A man who identifies with anything is unable to remember himself. In order to remember oneself it is necessary first of all not to identify. But in order to learn not to identify man must first of all not be identified with himself, must not call himself 'I' always and on all occasions. He must remember that there are two in him, that there is himself, that is 'I' in him, and there is another with whom he must struggle and whom he must conquer if he wishes at any time to attain anything. So long as a man identifies or can be identified, he is the slave of everything that can happen to him. Freedom is first of all freedom from identification.

"The process of evolution, of that evolution which is possible for humanity as a whole, is completely analogous, to the process of evolution possible for the individual man. And it begins with the same thing, namely, a certain group of cells gradually becomes conscious; then it attracts to itself other cells, subordinates others, and gradually makes the whole organism serve its aims and not merely eat, drink, and sleep. This is evolution and there can be no other kind of evolution. In humanity as in individual man everything begins with the formation of a conscious nucleus. All the mechanical forces of life fight against the formation of this conscious nucleus in humanity, in just the same way as all mechanical habits, tastes and weaknesses fight against conscious self-remembering in man."

And of course, there's always the classical one from Madame de Salzmann - The First Initiation:

You will see that in life you receive exactly what you give. Your life is the mirror of what you are. It is in your image. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take all, you accept all, without feeling any obligation. Your attitude toward the world and toward life is the attitude of one who has the right to make demands and to take, who has no need to pay or to earn. You believe that all things are your due, simply because it is you! All your blindness is there! ...

You live exclusively according to "I like" or "I don't like," you have no appreciation except for yourself. You recognize nothing above you-theoretically, logically, perhaps, but actually no. That is why you are demanding and continue to believe that everything is cheap and that you have enough in your pocket to buy everything you like. You recognize nothing above you, either outside yourself or inside. That is why, I repeat, you have no measure and live passively according to your likes and dislikes.

Yes, your "appreciation of yourself" blinds you. It is the biggest obstacle to a new life. You must be able to get over this obstacle, this threshold, before going further.

This test divides men into two kinds: the "wheat" and the "chaff." No matter how intelligent, how gifted, how brilliant a man may be, if he does not change his appreciation of himself, there will be no hope for an inner development, for a work toward self-knowledge, for a true becoming. He will remain such as he is all his life.

The first requirement, the first condition, the first test for one who wishes to work on himself is to change his appreciation of himself. He must not imagine, not simply believe or think, but see things in himself which he has never seen before, see them actually. His appreciation will never be able to change as long as he sees nothing in himself. And in order to see, he must learn to see; this is the first initiation of man into self-knowledge.

... If he sees one time he can see a second time, and if that continues he will no longer be able not to see. This is the state to be looked for, it is the aim of our observation; it is from there that the true wish will be born, the irresistible wish to become: from cold we shall become warm, vibrant; we shall be touched by our reality.

Today we have nothing but the illusion of what we are. We think too highly of ourselves. We do not respect ourselves. In order to respect myself, I have to recognize a part in myself which is above the other parts, and my attitude toward this part should bear witness to the respect that I have for it. In this way I shall respect myself. And my relations with others will be governed by the same respect.

You must understand that all the other measures - talent, education, culture, genius-are changing measures, measures of detail. The only exact measure, the only unchanging, objective real measure is the measure of inner vision. I see - I see myself - by this, you have measured. With one higher real part, you have measured another lower part, also real. And this measure, defining by itself the role of each part, will lead you to respect for yourself.

But you will see that it is not easy. And it is not cheap. You must pay dearly. For bad payers, lazy people, parasites, no hope. You must pay, pay a lot, and pay immediately, pay in advance. Pay with yourself. By sincere, conscientious, disinterested efforts. The more you are prepared to pay without economizing, without cheating, without any falsification, the more you will receive. And from that time on you will become acquainted with your nature. And you will see all the tricks, all the dishonesties that your nature resorts to in order to avoid paying hard cash. Because you have to pay with your ready-made theories, with your rooted convictions, with your prejudices, your conventions, your "I like" and "I don't like." Without bargaining, honestly, without pretending. Trying "sincerely" to see as you offer your counterfeit money.

Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life. That this lying rules you to such an extent that you cannot control it any more. You are the prey of lying. You lie, everywhere. Your relations with others - lies. The upbringing you give, the conventions - lies. Your teaching - lies. Your theories, your art- lies. Your social life, your family life - lies. And what you think of yourself - lies also.

But you never stop yourself in what you are doing or in what you are saying because you believe in yourself. You must stop inwardly and observe. Observe without preconceptions, accepting for a time this idea of lying. And if you observe in this way, paying with yourself, without self-pity, giving up all your supposed riches for a moment of reality, perhaps you will suddenly see something you have never before seen in yourself until this day.

You will see that you are different from what you think you are.

You will see that you are two.

One who is not, but takes the place and plays the role of the other. And one who is, yet so weak, so insubstantial, that he no sooner appears than he immediately disappears. He cannot endure lies. The least lie makes him faint away. He does not struggle, he does not resist, he is defeated in advance. Learn to look until you have seen the difference between your two natures, until you have seen the lies, the deception in yourself. When you have seen your two natures, that day, in yourself, the truth will be born.

 
Thank you very much for another wonderful session.

The comments from the Cs about artificial music were particularly enlightening. Personally, I feel considerable discomfort with content created using artificial intelligence.

Many musicians and artists have expressed concern about the increasing use of artificial intelligence in the music industry and how it is displacing composers, producers, and instrumentalists, as the technology becomes more sophisticated and renders these roles obsolete, since a simple algorithm can achieve the same results.


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You have to be careful what you buy though because a lot of the sounds are computer generated not human generated.

When it comes to digital pianos, there are two schools: sampled and modeled. "Sampled" is a recording of an actual piano whereas "modeled" is 100% math. I found this three year old video to be very helpful in explaining the two and how difficult it is to even make a sampled piano sound like an analogue piano in a digital environment. This understanding could also help with buying VST plugins.

 
(Joe) Can I ask just some yes or no questions on more like on a political topic before you get into that? What is the likely outcome of a new US-Israeli attack on Iran?

A: Not good for Israel.

Q: (Joe) What was the reason the US called off its attack on Iran last week, at the last minute?

A: Call from informant.


Q: (L) When you say informant, that means you're not willing to tell us who called?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) It means people on the ground who were organizing protests, probably, had decided that it wasn't a good time. Because they had all these protests and they were planning to do their bombing campaign, but then the protests didn't work out very well, it seems.

(L) Yeah, from what I heard, they were able to block Starlink.

(Joe) Was that a factor?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And if they were able to block Starlink, maybe that indicates to us where the call came from...

(Niall) Kremlin.

(L) Probably the Kremlin, yeah. All right.

So Israel wants the US to bomb Iran's nuclear sites at Isfahan and Natanz again? What would be the use?
Or do they have knowledge of any real nuclear storage sites somewhere deep under the mountains that even the latest bunker busters would not be able to hit?

I'd guess Mossad has, but have they been telling the Netanyahu government?
If these people are close to the apex of the power pyramid then in whose service are they really?

Can these 'llluminatics' keep Israel afloat much longer especially with 'mad Bibi' in charge?
A major economical crisis and the US could lose its clout so Israel would be gone with the wind.

Who still needs Israel for what other than a mass human sacrifice?
 
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