Session 24 October 2009

[Gertrudes]

Actually, that is the crop circle we are working with for the logo. It actually appeared on the night that we were talking here about what kind of symbol would best represent PaleoChristianity.

Awesome!

Beyond coincidence, really. It has also been my favourite so far. The image itself is beautiful but, more importantly, what it can actually convey seems to go hand in hand with the principles of the fellowship.

 

[Beau]

Actually, that is the crop circle we are working with for the logo. It actually appeared on the night that we were talking here about what kind of symbol would best represent PaleoChristianity.

Awesome! I had actually considered using that CC as my avatar at one point. Great choice!

 

[mada85]

Actually, that is the crop circle we are working with for the logo. It actually appeared on the night that we were talking here about what kind of symbol would best represent PaleoChristianity.

Well, I think that's a wonderful symbol for the church/institute. It's simple enough that it's easy to take in and remember, while simultaneously communicating a multi-level message. Excellent choice! I'm really looking forward to see what you guys come up with!

 

[JEEP]

... with an overall pursuit of an STO orientation

Hi JEEP,

May I ask a question? What do you mean when you say "pursuit" as quoted above?

Because we are currently STS, living in 3DSTS world and working to achieve STO in 4D. I believe I read somewhere (transcripts?) that if one could somehow become STO in this density, they would immediately be in 4D and that it is not possible for us to be 3DSTO in our present circumstances, OSIT.

 

[nicklebleu]

OMG ...

Have been absent from the forum for a few days and was ... frankly quite shocked with the developments in the direction of creating a "church".

I can completely see the benefit of it: On one side to give the whole research and exploration that the QFG has been doing all these years an umbrella and a legal standing. And on the other side that this will push things into a much wider context, and clearly, this is utterly needed.

But I had stomach cramps at the mere thought ...

I might have to give a few details to elucidate this point. Around approx. 30 years ago I joined a group that was propagating depth psychology as a mean to change the individuum, and ultimately through him society. This movement had been created by a psychologist who was a student of Alfred Adler. He moved to another European country where he founded a school. He died in the early 1980s and his work was continued by one of his students, a woman.

This group was dedicated to the scientific inquiry into why our society is the way it was and what to do about it. A lot of literature was studied, from evolutionary sciences, to psychology, to pedagogy etc. Now the 1980s were a time of great political discussions and actions, the "Left" pitched against the "Right", and more and more this group realized, that all that was going on culturally was in effect a political maneuver from circles intending to grab more power. The hot topics were drugs, AIDS, homosexual activism, school reform etc. We tried to educate people to that effect, which as you might imagine, drew a lot of flak. Of course we were pushed into the right-wing corner (by the "Left") and there were even physical attacks towards a few members.

To make a long story short, the group then underwent ponerization due to the relentless attacks and political machinations, and ultimately to also blunt it. It had had quite some success in forming coalitions amongst groups with similar intent (with some quite religious groups as well, to my dismay). We were even called a "sect", even though it had absolutely nothing to do with faith, religion etc. It took me quite a while to realize, and I only start to understand now, exactly what happened (ponerization), and it took a while for me to cut the ties. Not because there was anyone holding me back, but because that had been my life for so long and this was my social network. And probably also due to some "fortress mentality" that I had become entrenched in.

This whole experience lasted probably around 15 years and was traumatic. It kind of still haunts me to this day.
So you maybe can imagine, that when I read this thread, I had all alarm bells go off!

Now I can clearly see the programs that have kicked in and I will not yield to that. QFG has given me a totally new outlook on life and the universe, it has been truly life-changing for me. And basically it was this search for Truth and Honesty that made me involve myself with this group, and the quest for the same has brought me to QFG.

I have decided, that I will send off that form, no matter what. What has been life-changing for me might also be life-changing for someone other.


PS: Moderators, if you think that this post is inappropriate in this thread, please feel free to move it to the Swamp! And please feel free to "mirror" ...

 

[JEEP]

Hi Jeep,
imo it doesn't matter what the name will look like, attacks will come, because of the indoctrination of the church and many other things (ponerization), so it will create many emotional reactions as you wrote and has been within yourself.
Who is truly seeking tries to get the picture what is behind that name.

You are absolutely correct, Gawan. Those whose minds aren't willing or able to be opened will not respond positively no matter what the name. And, it would seem the vast majority are waiting for Jesus's second coming anyway and anything short of that will not faze them. But again, by their fruits, ye shall know them ... our good works will speak for themselves no matter what we call ourselves, OSIT.

Actually, that is the crop circle we are working with for the logo. It actually appeared on the night that we were talking here about what kind of symbol would best represent PaleoChristianity.

6th density knows best! It's a winner! :D

 

[cubbex]

Why do I have the idea that Laura is the last Christ??????????????????????????????????????

The cassies said that the last christ was a woman.

 

[Nathan]

Why do I have the idea that Laura is the last Christ??????????????????????????????????????

The cassies said that the last christ was a woman.

Actually, they said the first Christ was a woman. anart clarified this for you in another thread:

In another transcript, the talk about Jesus, on the wave chapter 13-a I think... and then the cassiopi said that Christ was a woman
so, the word "Was" I believe that it refers to a past incarnation,

Actually, what was said was that the earliest Christ was a woman:

A: Oh no! The word was co-opted and everything you know of as Christianity is distorted. For example, the earliest "Christ" was a woman.

This is obviously not referring to the person around whom the Jesus story accreted. It is referring to the original 'Christ'.

 

[flashgordonv]

As one of the many people who had a really bad reaction to the idea of forming a church, I must admit to being quite amazed at the sheer number of people on the forum who are/were in the same boat. There are clearly a LOT of forum members who have had bad reactions to church and religion. Having said that, time and contemplation and examination of programs running and reading the other responses in this thread have ameliorated my response. Anything I was feeling has already been said, and cogently answered. I am probably somewhat fortunate as I am currently travelling in the US and it has taken me a few days to find and read this thread and the thread where the Principles are laid out - so I have had time to digest this. Overall I am sure this is going to be a great concept and I will be posting off my form once I return home and have access to my printer.

My concern is how my wife will react. She has observed my studies and my involvement with SOTT with some degree of amused interest, knowing my previous reactions to any form of organised religion based on my past experiences, but she reacted badly when I tried to share some concepts in the early days when I was not practicing external consideration. She has never asked since so the subject has not been broached again. My debate now is to whether I share this with her or whether to do so is violating external consideration. :/

 

[nicklebleu]

My concern is how my wife will react. She has observed my studies and my involvement with SOTT with some degree of amused interest, knowing my previous reactions to any form of organised religion based on my past experiences, but she reacted badly when I tried to share some concepts in the early days when I was not practicing external consideration. She has never asked since so the subject has not been broached again. My debate now is to whether I share this with her or whether to do so is violating external consideration. :/

Exactly the same here. While she agrees to most of the analysis of our society as purported here in the forum and on the Cass websites, she recoils at the "hyperdimensional" part.

I might have to be a "closet member" for a while. But I could imagine, that this will be the case for many amongst us, who live in "non-colinear" relationships. Might be another forum thread to discuss how to effectively manage our development with these constraints.

 

[Human]

Thank you Laura and team for this great session and your tremendous effort and everything that has came out of it (namely FOTCM). My application is on it's way.

My concern is how my wife will react. She has observed my studies and my involvement with SOTT with some degree of amused interest, knowing my previous reactions to any form of organised religion based on my past experiences, but she reacted badly when I tried to share some concepts in the early days when I was not practicing external consideration. She has never asked since so the subject has not been broached again. My debate now is to whether I share this with her or whether to do so is violating external consideration. :/

Exactly the same here. While she agrees to most of the analysis of our society as purported here in the forum and on the Cass websites, she recoils at the "hyperdimensional" part.

I might have to be a "closet member" for a while. But I could imagine, that this will be the case for many amongst us, who live in "non-colinear" relationships. Might be another forum thread to discuss how to effectively manage our development with these constraints.

I have the similar "problem". My wife was interested and intrigued in some way by things associated with SOTT and Cassiopaeans, but she thought of my involvement with them more like some kind of hobby of mine. When I said to her that I was going to officially join the FOTCM, she was pretty upset about it and, as she kind of despised the organized religions and all that stuff, and she knew that we also hadn't been supporting that, she called me and all this organising of ours hypocritical.
Well, the only thing that my finger should be pointing at, because of this situation, is my lack of external consideration. I have only recently started practicing it, and I have a long way to go yet.
But I don't think that her reaction should be stopping me from joining FOTCM. If I'm on the right track, my actions will show that, and she will eventually accept my membership in FOTCM, and see that it's nothing like other organized religions, but everything what genuine religion should be about.
"By their fruits you shall know them."

 

[Breton]

Yes just as you said Msasa, nicklebleu Flashgordonv:

my non-collinear wife will also be quite amazed when I join after I just recently officially ended my membership in our religion, and said that I was done with religions. Of course what I meant were self-calming "blind belief" organizations!

As a coincidence she just asked me the other day, now that I have ended my membership in our church, was I going to continue to study the world on my own or was I going to look for a new social group? I responded by saying, that although one has to do quite a bit of initial studying on his own, I think that it will be very necessary to be part of a group of open-minded people in order to learn together about the world and the universe. Unlike the church organization I used to be a part of, the group I would be involved with would not assume they had the ultimate truth and then keep repeating it, but would rather always be looking to build upon previous things learned.

So regardless if the FOTCM is referred to as a church or religion for legal and official reasons, I sort of doubt I will just refer to it as a religion without some qualification added due to the unfortunate baggage the word religion carries with it. I probably will refer to the group as a "research group" or "research fellowship" - and I probably will add to that: "what I think religion was intended to be". Or something like that, we will have to see.

I sort of expect her to call me inconsistent at best, or hypocrite at worst, but her opinions should not matter. Our paths have diverged and such is life. Further, this little "friction" will be part of my (our) lessons in our relationship. So be it.

 

[bjorb]

Just a preview of my own. Based on that crop-circle spoken about before. If you want to see a bigger version just click on it.



With some textures on it, well it can become pretty awesome.

But a logo must be simple. In order to recognize it.

 

[cubbex]

:) Ok just a little doubt

That image is really good.

 

[Argonaut]

Hi all,

I've mostly been a lurker on this forum, and my few "contributions" so far have been mainly asking for help on some issue or another. Not that this is a bad thing... But I feel that I should give help, not just receive it. So why haven't I? Well, I seem to have a program running that tells me I'm not as wise or knowledgeable as most others here, so I should just be quiet and let more qualified members offer help. I know PART of that is true - I'm definitely not as knowledgeable as many of you. But I don't think that should stop me from contributing.

When I read about this new direction, I went through the same "shock" many here have described. As an ex-Bible Thumping evangelical (and ex-Wiccan), I became very anti-religion for several years. So yes, the FOTCM announcement triggered that program in me. But on reading further, my shock turned to excitement. Just like a lot of others, I realized I'd been operating with a defective definition of "religion." And now I feel a very positive drive inside, and I don't want to just lurk in the background anymore. My old excuse - that I'm not wise enough to contribute - now feels empty to me. Maybe this is partly due to the EE exercises and the POTS? But I also think it's related to this news of us evolving into a pure, genuine religion. I know that this is huge! And I know that I don't want to keep standing by the sidelines. I want to be part of the process, and I want to truly be part of this wonderful community here. So definitely count me in! I'll be sending in my form ASAP.

I also feel a rush of excitement about the crop circle that the team's considering as FOTCM's logo. It resonates with me, as it clearly does with others here. And the synchronicities associated with it are frickin' sweet. It just clicks. Oh, and this whole logo business makes me wonder - once the official logo is chosen, could pendants of it eventually be offered for sale? I know I'd buy one. :) And that could open up to a whole "product line" down the road - bumper stickers, coffee mugs, pens, t-shirts... We truly will look like an "official religion" then! But seriously, I'd love to be able to express my "faith" as openly (and with as much variety) as members of the ponerized religions express theirs. Always keeping external considering in mind, of course.

By the way, I was brainstorming ways to present FOTCM to the public, and I thought it might be cool to create a sort of online "assessment" a person could take to determine if they "fit" with FOTCM. This would not be something used to accept or reject them, just something for their own benefit. And it could be located "off-site", maybe directing them to the FOTCM site if their answers indicate they'd find it of interest. I'm thinking of something like this "Belief-O-Matic" quiz on Beliefnet.com: http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainment/Quizzes/BeliefOMatic.aspx#. Quizzes like this can be made and posted in several places: Facebook and MySpace pages, certain "quiz" websites, etc. This is just a rough type of idea, but maybe something useful can be done with it.

I'd just like to end by saying thank you, C's, for helping us to make (or possibly rewrite?) history like this. And thank you, Laura. I'm so glad that you refuse to be conquered by Vincent Bridges and all the other STS opposition you've faced - glad for you, for us here, and for the world. :D