Session 24 October 2009

[spyraal]

I have been quite busy with the mundane part of reality these past few days, and it is funny how many things can happen in this forum in such a short time! :D

Actually the need for a symbol was the second thing that came to my mind -after my initial amazement about the FOTCM- while reading this session for the first time.
I have great respect for the great effort and the creative potential of the people involved in designing this so far. ;)

My own visual impression FWIW is that the original design Laura posted is a little "too detailed" to stand for the purpose i understand it is supposed to. So, I kind of find something like nicklebleu's version a little more appropriate, only in terms of it's graphical impression.

I can also understand Laura's point about that visual "complexity" carrying an important and rich symbolism and meaning. In my view any "symbol" in general can have infinite complexity as long as this complexity
has a perfectly aimed existence, and it conveys a certain and definite meaning. In that way, symbols can be used to teach and accurately describe concepts, like Gurdjieff practiced with his students.

So, I have no doubt that the design of that particular crop circle, and the symbol which came up from it and Laura posted, will remain in the Fellowship's disposal as a learning tool regardless of whether it is chosen or not in the end... But IMHO the "symbol" of a religion fits more to the category of a "logo" than that of a "symbol" in the above sense. In this line of thought, i would prefer something closer to the version Nicklebleu did. A "logo" -in my mind- is something that is supposed to be as clear, simple and distinct as possible, since it is more than a symbol or an "accurate graphical representation of ideas": it is the unique visual identity of something. As a "visual identity" it makes some sense to me that it should be as simple and "penetrating" as possible. Easy to draw, easy to remember, easy to "digest" if i may say so.

Laura and the team have worked a lot harder in this to know a little better, but i thought i should express my perspective of us having a choice between a "symbol" and a "logo" in the above sense.
All in all, this is a very interesting subject! Also, i will try to add my own -late timed- skills and creativity to the great sum of what others have done so far. I will post a picture(s) ASAP!

Thank you!
:)

 

[Buddy]

I tried one out with the infinity symbol left out but "suggested" The elements would probably have to be moved in closer together though - I wasn't sure how to do that in gimp.

That concept is just plain awesome to me - that is, the figure 8 suggested as the background, and the "8" being only as thick as the horns. That's what I liked about nicklebleu's freehand version.

A bit of plastic wrap, just for fun - the biggest Photoshop no-no EVER!

E, What would these versions look like if the black that is in the middle, separating the white, were to be a bit thicker? Would that be too much trouble?

 

[forge]

Today's update. Now i can see that it lacks strength, definition, colors from the original and should have been worked on nicklebleu's instead. :/

 

[Erna]

E, What would these versions look like if the black that is in the middle, separating the white, were to be a bit thicker? Would that be too much trouble?

I've moved the top yin/jang a bit to the left, just to get a glimpse of what the thicker line will look like. I agree that it looks better, and it's closer to nicklebleu's original. Now the two yin/jangs are slightly offset. I can also keep them in a straight line and draw in a thicker line, if the offset bothers.

 

[Psalehesost]

Based on the work of forge making the crop circle version into an image file:

Could possibly look quite nice if "prettified" a bit...

 

[Laura]

I like so many of these so much that I'm thinking that they can ALL be used as variations on the "official logo symbol" in one way or another. They can be on letterhead, cards, jewelry, just a whole host of applications and with CHOICES for everyone!

 

[Buddy]

I like so many of these so much that I'm thinking that they can ALL be used as variations on the "official logo symbol" in one way or another. They can be on letterhead, cards, jewelry, just a whole host of applications and with CHOICES for everyone!

Great E. I love that!
:)

 

[go2]

I like the Csayeursost's and forge's work which retains the detail of the original. The complex
design has a deep message to humanity. We are not designing a corporate logo to attract
the public, but to attract those to whom the deeper voice of this image speaks. I have been
pondering the original design for a week now, and the optics and complex image seem as
if it is rewiring an unconnected circuit in my brain. I experience a deep calm and guidance from
contemplation of the original design, which does not occur as I ponder the new and improved
versions of the original image, a gift from another realm.

 

[Adaryn]

Based on the work of forge making the crop circle version into an image file:

Could possibly look quite nice if "prettified" a bit...

I like it, and I think it would indeed look nice with a prettifying touch (especially the colours).

I like so many of these so much that I'm thinking that they can ALL be used as variations on the "official logo symbol" in one way or another. They can be on letterhead, cards, jewelry, just a whole host of applications and with CHOICES for everyone!

On jewelry, yesss

 

[Johnno]

Thought I'd throw this in what is going on. This is from Remote View Joseph McMoneagle's "The Ultimate Time Machine" 1999 edition. I usually take anything RV with a grain of salt, yet this seems to be rather close to the mark, 10 years on.

Note he predicts the death of the Pope John Paul in 1999 to be replaced by an Italian one though. :)

Beginning sometime between 2002 and 2005, there will
be a concerted effort to birth a new view of religion that is
designed to bring religion and science together again, but
without the emphasis on Christianity. Its primary dogma will
be based on universal rules or laws of the spirit. These new
religious principals will attempt to merge current scientific
belief with current spiritual thinking. This new religion will
address the ephemeral science of soul, or how man's interaction
with reality affects life, health, and well-being. It may
even be called something like The Metaphysical Church of
Science. This will be a rough birth initially, as it will be seen
as threatening in the extreme. However, in its design, it will
allow for individual variations of belief, and preach respect
for those individual variances. By the year 2050, it will have
established a firm base in both--alternative healing practices
as well as in comforting the dying or distressed.

The sign for this church will be the Infinity Symbol, superim-
posed on a circle:

Rather than be threatened by this, other denominations
should take warning from this prediction and begin now to
expand on the issues surrounding unconditional love, as well as
the need to integrate the morality of science into their dogma.

 

[Turgon]

Today's update. Now i can see that it lacks strength, definition, colors from the original and should have been worked on nicklebleu's instead. :/

This one really stuck out for me a lot. I really like how the image is slightly angled so the connecting circles aren't right on top of one another. It seems more fluid that way, almost natural, at least to me. The metallic colouring of the purple and blue along with the shadowing really adds to the image.

It's just a downright cool image and enjoyable to look at. Great work!

 

[sitta]

Heh this one is still my favorite:

It is my favorite too.

Yes, my too. I love the colors. This is my close second, simplicity is always good.

I finally got around to having a go at nicklebleu's version which I quiet like as simplified form of the logo.

While i read thorough the thread I can feel the joy of creating that is very present here. It's very inspiring. I have an inclination to size a needle and embroider something. I didn't have it for a long time. Thank you all.

 

[Mikey]

One thing stands out for me in almost all logo variations: The original crop circle doesn't have an infinity symbol in the shape of an "8". It has two circles with equal 'border width' which tangent themselves at one point. That might be on purpose as well as all the other proportions.

 

[Lauranimal]

Rolyateel, how you've shaped those lines of yours is really groovy!

I've borrowed a bit from that:

A bit of plastic wrap, just for fun - the biggest Photoshop no-no EVER!

This top one is my absolut favorite yet! And I love the effect of the bottom one.

 

[peche]

Heh this one is still my favorite:

It is my favorite too.

I second that!!!!! Love this one!!