Session 24 October 2009

[Nević Nenad]

Avala's post #395 finally made me realize what it was about the horizontal infinity symbol that was disturbing to me:

Take a look at the above, then either remember or go look here at the depicted alien on the cover of Communion--see the resemblance?!! I was unable to grab the image to reproduce directly. All the horizontal representations seem to give this same uneasy vibe of crazy (sinister?) or hypnotic eyes although the metallic version previously mentioned minimized this effect the most to me:

The "take me to your leader" ;D effect can be avoided if the line would be in the same thickness everywhere.




I prefer nicklebleu's handmade version, because its imperfection gives it nice feeling of warmth, no matter that it is actually just black and white. It’s like you can almost see his (or hers) hands drawing it :)

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I tried messing around with nicklebleu's concept, and tried adding a yellow "glow" to kinda highlight the infinity part, not sure how well that worked tho..

 

[Windmill knight]

I like nicklebleu's concept as well. Sao's versions are pretty cool, I think.

 

[Masamune]

Tried the original cropcircle proportions. Didn't turn out good, colorfill messed up the smaller details.

This is my favorite so far. I like the 45 degree orientation and the orientation of the yin yangs as was in the crop circle. Also I like how the circles around the yin yangs are thinner on the outsides and I like the colors used. The blue, aqua, and violet colors look good.

SAO's also look good for a more simplified look.

 

[bjorb]

Well I am all about 2D, so that's what I did. I played a bit with the basic, simplified logo. Still I like all those 3D versions more. Anyway I guess how more variations thus the better.




And as a bonus: a necklace. Maybe it's a impression of things to come. Who knows :)





If you don't see anything, fear not. Here are the direct links:

basic logo: http://img11.imageshack.us/i/hanger.png/'>

bonus: http://s3.postimage.org/n_pUi.jpg

 

[pete02]

Although nicklebleu's concept is nice and simple and SAO's recreation is a much cleaner and yet even nicer version of nicklebleu's mod, I think we're missing the meaning behind the original design. I was under the impression that there was a reason we were using that crop circle and it's design.

As Breton pointed out: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14395.0;attach=2037;image


Imo it would mean more if the design meant something as opposed to ease of drawing. My 2cents ;)

 

[shijing]

Although nicklebleu's concept is nice and simple and SAO's recreation is a much cleaner and yet even nicer version of nicklebleu's mod, I think we're missing the meaning behind the original design. I was under the impression that there was a reason we were using that crop circle and it's design.

As Breton pointed out: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14395.0;attach=2037;image


Imo it would mean more if the design meant something as opposed to ease of drawing. My 2cents ;)

I think this is a good point. I also like nicklebleu's simplified design, but perhaps each is appropriate in a different context -- the 'official' logo might be suited for places like the website, on stationery, on printed materials, and so forth. nicklebleu's design would be an easy shorthand to use if you wanted to write the logo by hand, say if you were signing a letter with it or something like that.

The "take me to your leader" ;D effect can be avoided if the line would be in the same thickness everywhere.

I think it would probably also go away if there was a return to the original crop circle design (perfectly round). One of the reasons that you get the 'eye effect' is because the pinched corners in the middle of the modified infinity symbol mimic the inside corners of the eyes:

If they were rounded out, as in the original crop circle, then this combined with the 45-degree orientation would probably get rid of the effect, a la forge's innovations:

 

[truth seeker]

I just noticed that the original crop circle, lined on the vertical axis, appears to my eye to spiral down to
the yin/yang symbol in the bottom position and to spiral up in the top position. I stood and turned my head
upside down and the phenomenon reversed. What is going on here? Is this infinity all the way down and
infinity all the way up? Perhaps, it signifies as above so below or could it mean one must go down to go up?
Is this optical illusion a significant message? I don’t know. This phenomenon doesn’t occur in my perception
in the rendered images which are not exact replicas. Wowza, for sure!

I noticed it as well and I do think that what you said is accurate as crop circles (if I understand it correctly) are suggested to be looked at in three dimensions as opposed to flat. It's far subtler as a flat image but when rendered in 2 or even 3d, it can really feel like it's pulling you in.

 

[Breton]

I think it's great and may come in handy!

Thanks, and of course, I can modify and update so it can be used as an aid in discussions.

 

[dantem]

Wow!

To me the original horizontal version is right, along with the graphic refinements done. As a logo it can be applied over a round plate, of golden or platinum made metal, fancy also as a necklace. The only 'doubt' is about the two yin-yang symbols being tilted 90 deg. from the original cc version. The cc version looks more balanced at first sight, while the yin-yang version in the logo here seems to convey better the message of light/dark forces over imposing cyclically one above the other and vice versa i.e upward and downward spirals of growth/fall.

 

[Breton]

...The only 'doubt' is about the two yin-yang symbols being tilted 90 deg. from the original cc version. The cc version looks more balanced at first sight...

Ok! A lot of people have been referring to the original crop circle version. One thing has been bothering me about the original crop circle which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, (forgive me if I missed it though, if someone has brought it up already): which way is UP when someone from 6D draws diagrams in earth crops? [Or drawn by 4D entities - I am not saying I know who drew this!]

I am not a very experienced student of esoterism and ancient symbology - but I have not usually seen yin yang symbols oriented "sideways" (if you know what I mean). If I am correct, that 6D entities also follow this convention, it just means that this crop circle we keep referring to, is meant to be seen vertically, not horizontally.

However, this observation does not mean we have to follow what 6D entities do! But it can make us think a bit more about the symbol more and what it could mean, if we looked at vertically for a very long time.

So this is just a thought for everyone's consideration, kind of going back to the basics, as it were. I suppose this is the time to do it, when the fellowship's symbol is coalescing.

 

[Erna]

Had a go myself, that's only a very crude hand drawing. Can't handle the computer programs to do exactly what I want ...
Maybe someone with more graphics skills can pick up on this idea and further develop it. The proportions are not very good at the moment.
And I haven't looked at it from an esoteric perspective, just plain graphically.

The other examples are fine, but I agree with AI that these are still too "busy" and it is lacking "drawability" ...

Anyway, just my 2pc ...

I really like what you've done here, where the yin/yangs are coming together like this. I also prefer the portrait orientation, above the landscape.

I've stylized it a little. :)

It might still be too busy. I've simplified it a little.

or if we delete the inner lines, we end up with this:

 

[forge]

Had a go myself, that's only a very crude hand drawing. Can't handle the computer programs to do exactly what I want ...

This is the best so far. I have been thinking along the same lines, keeping the crop circle proportions.

Akopirnas' version is also very good to me!

 

[forge]

[..]
I really like what you've done here, where the yin/yang is coming together like this. I also prefer the portrait orientation, above the landscape.
I've stylized it a little. :)

For some reason the two arc's not touching the yin-yang seem important to me, as in the crop circle.

 

[Erna]

For some reason the two arc's not touching the yin-yang seem important to me, as in the crop circle.

Like so?

I prefer where they touch. The gap makes it too busy for me. It's also more visually appealing to me where they touch.

EDIT: Losing the lines altogether looks like this.

It has a nice flow to it.

And then you can of course really shake the chicken if you want:

The line of thinking behind this last one is in terms of a simple symbol, like the crucifix or infinity symbol, that's instantly recognisable by everyone and can be drawn by anyone, that's all. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the crop circle can serve as inspiration; we don't necessarily have to duplicate it.