Session 24 October 2009

Breton said:
The engineer in me could not resist making an explanation diagram.
(Is it some kind of program in me?)

I think it's great and may come in handy!
 
nicklebleu said:
Had a go myself, that's only a very crude hand drawing. Can't handle the computer programs to do exactly what I want ...
Maybe someone with more graphics skills can pick up on this idea and further develop it. The proportions are not very good at the moment.
And I haven't looked at it from an esoteric perspective, just plain graphically.

The other examples are fine, but I agree with AI that these are still too "busy" and it is lacking "drawability" ...

Anyway, just my 2pc ...
I really like this one, it has all the elements smoothly fused together so there are less discreet parts and its easier on the eyes, less confusing, osit. I would love to see this one done in 3-d in color, and I love how the 2 yin-yangs make the infinity symbol as part of them. The color version could "outline" the infinity symbol or something to highlight it. I'll play with colorizing/3d-izing it when I get home tonight if no one else does it first.
 
Thank you Breton, as an engineer by training (long ago), I was going to suggest that the logo was 'broken up', or a 'slide show' made of the individual pieces, showing how each part of the logo represents each level of density and how they fit together; to help explain it to people. And you have done it in one go. Thanks.
 
Well, here is a really great developing going on, I definitely enjoy it! Props for all the art-workers!
So far, -this- symbol isn't going out of my head anymore, so I will print one and stick it on the wall.

shijing said:
forge said:
Tried the original cropcircle proportions. Didn't turn out good, colorfill messed up the smaller details. :-[
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The only glaring error I see is that the blank space right outside of the infinity symbol got colored gold instead of being left blank. FWIW, this is my favorite so far -- the yin-yangs are still in their original orientation, and offsetting it at 45-degrees like this avoids the problem of either making it completely vertical or horizontal. I've asked my family members, and both of their first reactions were that the horizontal version looks like a pair of eyes (and not in a good way). Since the vertical version looks like the number eight, I think this orientation might be a really good third option. In that sense, its by far my favorite -- I think I even like the original proportions better than the elongated infinity symbol.

I like this angle as well.


nicklebleu said:
Had a go myself, that's only a very crude hand drawing. Can't handle the computer programs to do exactly what I want ...
Maybe someone with more graphics skills can pick up on this idea and further develop it. The proportions are not very good at the moment.
And I haven't looked at it from an esoteric perspective, just plain graphically.

The other examples are fine, but I agree with AI that these are still too "busy" and it is lacking "drawability" ...

Anyway, just my 2pc ...

Absolutely great work!
 
Avala's post #395 finally made me realize what it was about the horizontal infinity symbol that was disturbing to me:

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Take a look at the above, then either remember or go look here at the depicted alien on the cover of Communion--see the resemblance?!! I was unable to grab the image to reproduce directly. All the horizontal representations seem to give this same uneasy vibe of crazy (sinister?) or hypnotic eyes although the metallic version previously mentioned minimized this effect the most to me:

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Consequently, I very much like the slanted version of the logo submitted by forge and find it eye appealing and pleasing in every way save for the already mentioned gold color filling in what should have been kept white or blank and also I think that the upper waves should be the same coloration as the bottom waves. Does rounding the circles nullify the infinity aspect of the 8 figure?

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I would really like to see the above with the metallic color treatment.

I also very much like nicklebleu's simplified version with the infinity symbol more implied than actualized. Of course, I'm basing this opinion on the black and white rendering. Would I like it as much in a colorized version?

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Both creations get rid of the hypnotic crazy eye effect of the horizontal infinity symbol position that seems to be magnified by having the yin-yang symbols positioned vertically, osit.

Whatever, I appreciate everyone's artistic efforts and input. I'm sure the end result will be the right one.
 
JEEP said:
I would really like to see the above with the metallic color treatment.

I can only show up with this version, but I think it gives the impression:

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On the other hand it is also funny to think about degrees: it is not really horizontal nor vertical, so it is in between, like the transition between 3d to 4d (like a link, where the meaning behind the symbol plays its role: the -work-// the fellowship which is a (helping)tool) or something like that.
 
Oh, thank you, Gawan--that was quick! The orientation and metallic colors really tone down the whole hypnotic eye factor.

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I did notice one more difference between the two images below:

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In the upper image, the bottom waves are sweeping in from the left side whereas on the bottom image (the original crop circle proportioned image) the bottom waves are sweeping in from the right side. Is this in some way a critical difference? I'm trying to visualize Gawan's last image with the wave positions 'flipped' and wondering if that would give the image a more harmonious flow? Boy, this is tough going and I'm not even drawing anything!!
 
shijing said:
forge said:
Tried the original cropcircle proportions. Didn't turn out good, colorfill messed up the smaller details. :-[
try1.jpg

The only glaring error I see is that the blank space right outside of the infinity symbol got colored gold instead of being left blank. FWIW, this is my favorite so far -- the yin-yangs are still in their original orientation, and offsetting it at 45-degrees like this avoids the problem of either making it completely vertical or horizontal. I've asked my family members, and both of their first reactions were that the horizontal version looks like a pair of eyes (and not in a good way). Since the vertical version looks like the number eight, I think this orientation might be a really good third option. In that sense, its by far my favorite -- I think I even like the original proportions better than the elongated infinity symbol.

I also like this orientation. Don't know why really, guess it "feels" harmonious. Both because of the direction of the waves as the orientation of the Yin Yang symbols. These proportions are also the most appealing to me.

Yet, Niclebleu's version appeals to me as well
 
here's a shot at two angles of nickelbleu's version, fwiw... straight black & white...
 

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JEEP said:
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In the upper image, the bottom waves are sweeping in from the left side whereas on the bottom image (the original crop circle proportioned image) the bottom waves are sweeping in from the right side. Is this in some way a critical difference? I'm trying to visualize Gawan's last image with the wave positions 'flipped' and wondering if that would give the image a more harmonious flow? Boy, this is tough going and I'm not even drawing anything!!

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I really like forge's depiction! Matches the original crop circle except that the "waves" are flipped as JEEP noted.

edit: added crop circle image
 
I just noticed that the original crop circle, lined on the vertical axis, appears to my eye to spiral down to
the yin/yang symbol in the bottom position and to spiral up in the top position. I stood and turned my head
upside down and the phenomenon reversed. What is going on here? Is this infinity all the way down and
infinity all the way up? Perhaps, it signifies as above so below or could it mean one must go down to go up?
Is this optical illusion a significant message? I don’t know. This phenomenon doesn’t occur in my perception
in the rendered images which are not exact replicas. Wowza, for sure!
 
It has been fun to see all the different artistic inputs taking place here around the logo. For whatever it is worth, I haven't responded with a 'yes' inside until I saw nickelbleu's version. It was the simplicity of the design that made that response in me, I think. I suspect going more in that direction may bear fruit. The more complex and colorful renderings are difficult to understand and accept at a glance, which is fine for a work of visual art, but simple is better for a logo, IMHO- something that leaves a clean, clear impression with a single glance.
 
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I like this one too. Maybe some work on it to make it look more metallic like the black and white symbol or the colored one? (below) The same position, but with the extra densities added and the infinity symbol?

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Love this one too. WOW, awesome work everyone! Such talent :thup:
 
Marcus-Aurelius said:
nickebleu, I find also your version graphically interesting and it's really simplified. though it will still need some additionnal work to perfect it.

Yeah, it doesn't have the bug eye effect. :)
 

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