Session 26 April 2025

Why did it take me until now to realize that a carnivore diet doesn’t mean raw, uncooked meat😶‍🌫️



The thought of eating just protein feels so incomplete! I want to give it a try, but I remember last time I tried a keto diet, I was shaking really bad.

Other than that, my main issue would be the cost. I simply can’t sustain a grass-fed diet no matter how minimalist. Is there a not-so-bad option? Or better than nothing option when it comes to “acceptable” meat quality?

I’m in the US for what it’s worth.

I appreciate you all
For a period of about 1 year and a half , wanna say 2016, I decided to do grocery shopping for the house, and I decided to go pretty carnivore, would buy a ball of meat and slice it up and it would last about a week for then $50. pork chops $15 - $20 and chicken $10-$20 2 weeks or so, this was for a house of 4-5 at the time.
Ideally you want the best of the best, but in my case the second best was the $50 dollar ball at the butcher.
That makes it more budget friendly than getting a different cut every day/week, tedious yes, but it's meat

Just do a full budget and priceshop, i actually ended up saving more eating meat like that

I noticed two mayor things, bowel movements and bowel obstruction were very unproblematic, I've had constipation all my life so it wasn't that strange to have infrequent movements and less amount, having less waste to dispose, I assume.

But the most shocking was the way my mom dropped weight. Over a period of 6 months I wanna put it at at least 15 pounds probably more actually, I never asked.

I am very slender, so i do feel the craving to eat other stuff like avocados

I can't say I had noticed other health improvements from it at the time, as my health issues are more related to injury and nerve damage than organ or systemic problems that I am aware of.
In terms of the gut, i can say it was excellent, boring for a time but excellent
 
Thanks for the session ❤️💐
I've been trying more of a carivore diet, with stuff like broccoli, leafy greens, berries, sourkraut. Shitake mushrooms and mushrooms in general seem like a good nutritional one to add (you can buy in bulk dried for pretty cheap and they last for ages so it's good for the budget). With small amount of carbs like a little potato and oats sometimes. I do have dairy though, not cheese mainly milk and kefir/yogurt. I know you guy's probably won't approve of dairy, never had any issues with digesting it and gut health is better than it's been in ages though. Also peanut butter is cheap and fills me up if mixed with yoghurt or a milkshake and doesnt cause any problems like bread, rice or anything starchy.

Find eating just meat i still feel hungry and it's difficult on budget too recently. But I'm not sure how okay dairy is, have never noticed any side effects and I know straight away if I can't digest something well - won't go into too much detail! From what I know my ancestors on one side ate alot of it..

Mince meat is good choice on a budget too, and outdoor bred organic pork in the UK is more affordable than any other meat equivalent so I eat that mainly. Tinned oily fish like sardines and mackerel sometimes too are okay. And like Phil4 said I buy shoulder of pork, or a big bit of meat cut it up, lasts for a few days and pretty cheap.
 
Ok, I’m listening. I need lazy cooking options. I consume too much sugar and carbs. I don’t know how feasible it would be for me to switch to a ketogenic diet, but if anyone has any suggestions, that’d be greatly appreciated
I believe that the various suggestions from different people are very helpful. I will propose from a different angle, an abstract perspective. ① First of all, it is absolutely essential to have the knowledge that a meat-based diet is beneficial for the body.
② Direct experience related to this is also necessary.
③ It may depend on the person, but I believe that sometimes pain can be necessary.

For me, ③ was the decisive factor that led me to completely eliminate sugar and sweets. At the same time, I also started a meat-based diet. What made it possible was the pain. At the end of 2017, I fully understood what overeating sugar and sweets had brought me. I also realized that it was difficult for me to control it in moderation. At that time, with the knowledge I had accumulated until then, my past experiences, and the decisive pain, along with the strong will it awakened in me, I began a meat-based diet and simultaneously gave up sweets. Completely.

Laura once said that until you realize, you will struggle. However, I believe that pushing oneself too hard is not good. Effort is a good thing. But forcing oneself, like how dieting almost always leads to a rebound, is unreasonable. Because it is unreasonable, the results will also be poor. It is inevitable that most people who go on a diet will rebound. Pushing oneself in anything will inevitably lead to bad results. Nonetheless, effort is a good thing.
 
November 19, 1994

Q: (L) In their faceting, what was the general configuration?

A: Pyramid.

Q: (L) Was that an absolute pyramid with the same proportions as say, the Great Pyramid at Gizeh?

A: Close.

Q: (L) How large was the largest from base to apex?

A: 5000 feet.

Q: (L) What was the average size?

A: 500 feet.

Q: (L) And was the one that was 5,000 feet tall, is that one still in existence?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where is that one located?

A: 380 miles due East of you?

Q: (L) Some years ago a pilot reported seeing a pyramid near there in the water...

A: That is just the top sticking out of the ocean floor. It is 90 per cent buried.

Q: (V) In meditation, I saw crystals coming up during Earth changes. Is this what is going to happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How come this crystal didn't shatter or break up during the subsidence of Atlantis?

A: Extraordinarily strong. An atomic bomb would not shatter it. The chain reaction of a thermonuclear explosion would be absorbed into the crystal and transferred into pure energy. That relates to the design function.

Q: (L) And then what would happen?

A: Energy dispersal unless focused as engineered by the Atlanteans.

Q: (L) Where did they get this technology?

A: They evolved it.

Q: (L) They invented it themselves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they interact with any aliens?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they get any help at all from these extraterrestrials?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were these aliens?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) What kind of power frequency did these crystals use?

A: Full range.

Q: (T) How many of the crystals have been discovered by the governments of the world?

A: All.

Q: (T) Are they trying to use them?

A: Pointlessly.

Q: (T) Are they trying?

A: Maybe.
For me, the C's answer did seem a little ambiguous since when we think of ancient pyramids we tend to think of those built on the Giza Plateau. However, your alternative proposal is logical and fits in very nicely with the timing of the Great Flood:

Q: (L) Did an event of this type take place at the time of the flood of Noah?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many years ago did the flood of Noah occur?


A: 12,656. (i.e., 10,662 B.C.)

The C's said that the dating of the construction of Göbekli Tepe, based on radiocarbon dating, was off by about a thousand years, meaning it was built circa 10,700. This is only 38 years out from the date they gave for the Flood. What this suggests is that Göbekli Tepe was built fairly soon after the Flood by Atlantean survivors who would seem to have regrouped there. This fits in well with the Noah legend since the Ark is meant to have landed in that general region of Turkey (formerly Armenia) according to the Bible.

What people may not appreciate though is that Göbekli Tepe is only one of several similar sites in that particular region of Turkey (I think Andrew Collins mentions that there are now up to 32 sites comprising the Taş Tepeler civilisation, which could have supported a population of several hundred thousand people) including Karahan Tepe, which has been yielding incredible archaeological finds. I am grateful to Liliea
for bringing this to our attention in her earlier post (Session 26 April 2025) as well as the work of Andrew Collins, which I also quoted in my previous post since Collins is the only person that I am aware of who has linked the construction of the Giza Pyramid complex with the builders of the Taş Tepeler complexes.

I recall that Michael B-C in his excellent thread on Göbekli Tepe mentioned that there seems to have been a dark side to the rituals that may have been conducted at Göbekli Tepe by the priestly caste. It is interesting that early on in the sessions with the C's, Laura noted that there seems to have been a clear philosophical division between the groups of people who built the pyramids and those who built stone circles such as Stonehenge during the Megalithic/Neolithic ages. This may have reflected the philosophical differences between the Sons of Belial and the Sons of the Law of One, as referred to by Edgar Cayce in some of his trance sessions touching upon Atlantis. Perhaps the two groups united for a while for reasons of survival and worked together, subsequently splitting and going their separate ways over the course of time. This proposition may be backed up by what the C's said in the 22 August 1998 session:
A: Atlantean descendants.

Q: Obviously the Great Pyramid is a marvel of engineering - and Stonehenge is as well - yet the two structures are so dissimilar. The Pyramid presents such a finished and sharp and elegant appearance, and Stonehenge might give a person - of course that is based on how it appears today - a more primitive presentation.

A: Was not originally.

Q: Did they work in conjunction with one another and did the two groups that built them in communication with one another?

A:
No and yes.

Q: Was it two different groups? One with the Stonehenge business and one with the Pyramid business?

A: Offshoots of same group.


Q: Were they antagonistic toward one another or were they friendly toward one another?

A:
No, yes.

The C's answer suggests to me that that the builders of Stonehenge and the builders of the Great Pyramid of Giza would seem to have been offshoots of the group who had built Göbekli Tepe and its associated sites. It is also curious that like the Great Pyramid and Sphinx in Egypt, the authorities in Turkey seem to be preventing a full excavation of Gobekli Tepe for fear of what may be revealed:​

Q: (Joe) Was it an observatory for observing movement of the skies, basically, in anticipation of another...?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And they tried to leave a message to future generations about cyclical catastrophes or periodic...?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) And they succeeded because it's been decoded recently.

(L) Yeah. Somebody's done some really good work decoding it.

(Ryan) Was Gobekli Tepe deliberately buried by later generations?

A: No. Buried to protect it from later generations. See Settegast.

Q: (L) Okay. So that's Mary Settegast and her book, what's the title of her book? Plato Prehistorian. Yeah. And then there was one other she did... When Zarathustra Spoke. Have you read those books, Ryan?

(Ryan) No, they're on my list now.

(L) I see. All right. And then:

(iamthatis) Is there a deliberate effort to prevent a full excavation of Gobekli Tepe?

A: Yes

Q: (iamthatis) If so, why?

A: Will reveal too much.


And when you consider what they have found recently at Karahan Tepe, one can begin to understand why:

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Enclosure at Karahan Tepe
The statue of the peculiar looking man on the right of the photograph stands 2.3 metres tall and is much taller than the famous Urfa Man (see below) that was found at a site only 10 kilometres from Göbekli Tepe and is thought to date to around 9000 BC.​

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Urfa Man
For those who might want to learn more about the excavations at Karahan Tepe, I attach a link to a YouTube video of Andrew Collins talking with Hugh Newman about his 2024 visit to Karahan Tepe - See:

About 14 minutes into the video, Collins describes how the Turkish authorities prevented him from taking photographs (literally at gunpoint) of the new enclosure at Karahan Tepe, the one which contained the strange looking statue shown above, that had just been opened. Such prohibitive behaviour may be indicative of what the C's are saying about the sensitivity surrounding the excavations of these sites.

As to the C's comment that the site of Göbekli Tepe had been buried to protect it from later generations, can somebody shed light on what Mary Settegast had to say about this matter.
 
Maybe Gobekli Tepe was already an observatory when pyramids were under construction, but elements were added to it after the catastrophe to warn future generations.
We don't have much information on the time directly after the "Great Flood" and Younger Dryas. I suspect that it may have been similar to what the C's described for the upcoming ice age: rapid glacial rebound after a period of increased warming and greater-latitude precipitation. If we hypothesise that Atlantis was destroyed in stages over several centuries starting at ~10,989 BCE and Gobekli Tepe was first built circa 10.7K BCE, then it could be that GT was built as the new ice age had settled in, alongside sea level rise as the result of the Mars interaction. It's thought in mainstream science that re-glaciation of Greenland happened within as little as three years after the onset of the YD - the changes even in one winter season could be quite extreme - so the ice age would have been well established by 10.7K BCE if we take the "Great Flood" to be the trigger event for the YD.

C's putting the Gobekli Tepe date around the same time of YD and Noah's flood is very interesting. i.e. Survivors made this Gobekli Tepe on the fly (or pants down) when the world is flooding place after place ( mentioned as 'age of floods' in Vedic Hymns) and Comets are still visible ( continued to be visible for another thousand years at least) and final piece of Atlantis ( Poseidon) already gone. At least, they started at that time. This age of floods makes sense if the Mars dumped the water in the north pole, it takes some time for other places (southern hemisphere) to get the floods.
It does seem that way. At least two hundred years of chaos and disaster, with GT then built as an observatory that people could visit from their underground shelters or valley hideaways every so often to determine whether the skies had begun to calm and it would be possible to rebuild on a larger scale.

Collins makes an intriguing link in his paper between the people who constructed the Giza Pyramid complex and the builders of the Taş Tepeler complexes such as those at Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe, which seems to tie in with what the C's have said here in this session (unfortunately, I hadn't read this latest session before I did my post - one step behind as usual :-)). Quoting Collins:
"What we can also say is that either direct or indirect contact existed between the inhabitants of Taş Tepeler complexes such as Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe and Egypt’s Nile Valley. This is surmised by the knowledge that stone tools used by the Taş Tepeler communities of southeastern Anatolia have been found in Egypt. For instance, a type of arrowhead known as the Helwan Point, first discovered at one of the highly advanced Epipaleolithic settlements at Helwan, located within sight of the future site of the Giza pyramid field, has been found throughout the Levant as well as at a Taş Tepeler site in the heart of the ancient city of Urfa (modern Şanlıurfa). Further examples of the Helwan Point have been found at Neolithic sites in Egypt’s Fayum Oasis.
Fascinating. So was this contact between two groups of survivors, or did southwesterly migration take place from Anatolia, through the Levant and into Egypt? It would be highly ironic if the Egyptians turned out to be descended from proto-Hittites!

If, as the C's are saying in this latest session, Göbekli Tepe was built by the survivors of those who built the pyramids, then the pyramids at Giza would have to be 2,000 years older than the date the C's gave in the 22 August 1998, which was 8,649 BC. Did the C's make a mistake here?
Any thoughts on this?
See my earlier post. It could be that the C's were using an 'exoteric blind' to make us think.
 
(fwiiw) My impression , " ..built pyramids.. " as in , many , so time to build stonehenge and those at Giza Plateau are just 2 data points , didn't RA state there is a circle of sorts , of pyramids worldwide ? iirc.

(edit ) : Ra

(...)

14.6 Questioner: I understood you to say in an earlier session that pyramids were built to ring the Earth. How many pyramids were built?

Ra: I am Ra. There are six balancing pyramids and five two, fifty-two [52] others built for additional healing and initiatory work among your mind/body/spirit social complexes.


(...)
Ra's comments are very interesting but do they relate to pyramids built before the destruction of Atlantis or afterwards?
 
My first thought of being shocked was that of aftershocks. With the uptick in earthquakes I think we could all very well be “shocked” in that way. But they didn’t say shook so maybe it will be electrical in nature. In the April SOTT video of Earth Changes where the lone house was struck by lightning - that was shocking.
And now Texas has been hit by a swarm of earthquakes with more to come: MSN
 
Q: (L) How many years ago did the flood of Noah occur?

A: 12,656. (i.e., 10,662 B.C.)

The C's said that the dating of the construction of Göbekli Tepe, based on radiocarbon dating, was off by about a thousand years, meaning it was built circa 10,700.
Well, there is also the can of worms of about 470 phantom years that did not happen in the first millenium AD.

I recall that Michael B-C in his excellent thread on Göbekli Tepe mentioned that there seems to have been a dark side to the rituals that may have been conducted at Göbekli Tepe by the priestly caste.
Karahan Tepe seems to have much more 'darkness' about it, even Graham Hancock mentioned a feeling of dread while visiting it. There are channels cut into rock to possibly collect blood next to that head sticking out of the rock.

As to the C's comment that the site of Göbekli Tepe had been buried to protect it from later generations
Jimmy from Bright Insight also did a video on that. Apparently Turkey partnered with the WEF to "protect" its ancient sites "for future generations", which is why no new excavations are conducted at Goebekli Tepe.
 
I shared Laura’s article with Grok and started a new discussion. I asked if WBAN IoB and IoT (wide body area network, Internet of bodies, and Internet of things) would raise the likelihood of this theory being correct. Below is the final answer
 
I shared Laura’s article with Grok and started a new discussion. I asked if WBAN IoB and IoT (wide body area network, Internet of bodies, and Internet of things) would raise the likelihood of this theory being correct. Below is the final answer
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A: No dice tonight. Wait and see! You will be shocked! Goodbye.

It may be as I've written here:

Trump's 'Liberation Day': US govt imposes tariffs to 'reset' global trade, 'MAGA', 'defeat' China - Will it work?

No (die) physical money stamping anymore.
We will be 'struck' (from etymology of the word shocked) by some sort of electronic ID (eID, die reversed) that will replace the old concept of money.
And even all things may get eID ('dire'), as summer approaches.
 
As to the C's comment that the site of Göbekli Tepe had been buried to protect it from later generations, can somebody shed light on what Mary Settegast had to say about this matter.
Mary Settegast's research makes a connection between the very ancient world and how it leads to the Mesopotamia civilization. Eventually that leads to the Yahweh business, the god of materialism.

More info on this thread:


This is also good to keep in mind:


Q: (L) I see. Well, maybe we should begin with some of the questions that are from that abstract level since that's where we are. In the course of my recent research, I keep going deeper and deeper and further back following one thread after another. While I have touched on the topic of Zoroastrianism in the past, I had never gone into it as deeply as I recently decided to do. As a consequence, I ended up reading several scholarly tomes on the topic. It seems there are two schools. One school thinks that Zoroaster was a fairly late phenomenon, probably 7th century BC. The other school relies on the linguistics - the philology I guess they'd call it - and they claim that the language of Zoroaster must date back to the second millennium BC - that is, somewhere between 1600 and 1200 BC. That would put Zoroaster in the timeframe of, say, Akhenaten. In brief, Zoroaster claimed to have had a vision, or so the story goes, that revealed to him the One God, Ahura Mazda, and he promoted a religion of almost pure monotheism as well as being more or less the originator of the idea that human beings have the free will to choose good or evil. He also was the first to come up with ideas of messianism, eschatology. It was an apocalyptic religion in the sense of being revealed, but also that there were to be revelations about the end of time - time of course being a very important concept in his religion as it developed. So, I guess the first question I want to know is: Is there any possibility that Akhenaten was influenced by Zoroastrianism? Is that a possibility?

A: Not just a possibility, but a certainty.

Q: (L) If that's the case, how was that possible?

A: The ancient world was quite "well connected".

Q: (L) Okay... Can you get me any closer to a clue here?

A: Check the Hurrian connection.

Q: (L) I thought I had checked that pretty deeply. I guess I could read some more. Now, there are those who say that Zurvanism was an attempt to deal with some of the dangling problems that Zoroaster left in terms of his dualism. One of his hymns describes Ahura Mazda and Ahriman as twins, so, they came up with Zurvanism, the ultimate god of space/time as father to the twins to explain this. Is that in fact the case?

A: No. Zurvan was the ancient god of the steppes and the Indo-Aryan peoples.

Q: (L) Okay, I've got a paper here... It seems that Zurvan was perceived as the god of infinite time and space, and was described as, "One Alone, a transcendental neutral god, and without passion. One for whom there was no distinction between good and evil. So, Zurvan had a varied history... So, the problem I want to get to right now is the idea that Zurvan was represented as the lion-headed god. There was a lion man figure found in Hohlenstein-Stadel, which is a German cave. It's carved out of ivory, and it's THE oldest known zoomorphic animal sculpture in the world, and the oldest known uncontested example of figurative art. It has been determined to be about - ready? 40,000 years old!! That was by carbon dating the material which was in the same layer where the figure was found. It was associated with the Aurignacian culture and it was 29cm in height, carved out of mammoth ivory using a flint stone knife. Seven parallel, transverse, carved gouges are on the left arm. The figure of Zurvan is often represented with a serpent coiled around him seven times. It is said that the sculpture shares certain similarities with French cave wall paintings which also show hybrid creatures. The Lion man is several thousand years older. Anyhow, this artifact seems to resemble very closely the lion man figure that was described as being the representation of Zurvan. So, I guess my question is: Are we talking about the same religion or religious ideas or perceptions that were common to the cultures that produced the cave art in Western Europe?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And they came up with these ideas of infinite time and space that far back?

A: And so much more. They were "connected".

Q: (L) So in other words, what we are looking at here through a probably distorted survival via Zoroaster or Zarathushtra is that the Aryan religion was based first of all on a supreme principle of infinite time and infinite space from which was born essentially "good mind" and "evil mind" as Zoroaster put it?

A: Yes. STO and STS duality.

Q: (L) And this same religion, either in its older form or its later elaboration by Zarathushtra, was the origin of the ideas of free will?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Of savior gods?

A: Yes

Q: (L) The Six Bounteous Immortals, or I guess what we could say archetypes or sixth density?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Basically, it almost seemed as though it was a religion about information. Everything emerges from information, but there are some other very particular things about it that are very advanced. They were talking about things that physicists talk about nowadays.

A: Yes

Q: (L) It also seems to be the closest religious exposition of anything that I've come across to what we have received via these transmissions.

A: Yes

Q: (L) I'm just saying "close", because obviously there are some distortions and so forth. So did Zarathushtra modify this original religion because he had a vision, or...?

A: The ideas had already been corrupted, and Zarathushtra sought to recover the truth.

Q: (L) So it had already been corrupted, and he was trying to bring it back in line. He got close, but didn't quite make it. Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And what had it been corrupted to?

A: The Indian Vedas will give clues.

Q: (L) Maybe he wasn't wrong when he said that the daevas were demons. Were the daevas like STS beings?

A: Close

Q: (L) Were they like 4th density STS?

A: Yes
Although this is more like a macro-myth, it is also related:

1) Evil "broke into the world" = STS takeover 309 KYA.

2) Semen of bull borne to the moon for purification and creation of all species of animals = use of genetic information in different combinations by 4D engineers to create different species as we have speculated in the "Darwin's Black Box" thread.

3) Semen of primal man purified in the sun used to create 10 species of men = genetic material of primate types used by 4D engineers to create different races of men as Cs said happened, more or less, i.e. that different human "types" were engineered in Orion labs.

4) The use of the Moon as the place where the "purification" takes place is reminiscent of Gurdjieff's idea of "food for the moon."

So it seems to me that these very ancient myths may preserve some ideas of what "really happened" and, of course, the death of primal man and the primal bull could represent an early cataclysm where most of life on earth was destroyed. For those who have gone through the book about Prehistoric Earth that I've mentioned elsewhere, you will notice that each "era" is more or less ended by a "Great Dying", following which all the types and species of plant and animal life is dramatically changed and expanded. So this might be the idea that is preserved in these myths: that extinction events are used by 4D engineers to "make all things new" as in a whole new experimental phase.

In short, there really could be some ancient scientific knowledge buried in there including an awareness of hyperdimensional realities, 4D engineers, genetic manipulation by same, and the resulting designing of new life forms.

With the above in mind, here are some Settegast's excerpts:

When Zarathustra Spoke

While the Vedic poets sang of cattle raids as admirable operations, profitably carried out by brave and adventurous men,28 Zarathustra held a different view. In the Gathas he speaks out against renegades who destroy the pasu~vira, the community of cattle and men. Gathering in bands, they devour what belongs to others and do harm to the life of the cow (Y. 32.12; 31:15). In another passage, the Soul of the Cow implores Ahura Mazda:

“Wrath and violence, harm, daring, and brutality have bound me!
I have no other pastor than you;
appear to me with good husbandry!” (Y. 29.1)

Most Zoroastrian scholars believe that this Gathic hymn is both metaphysical—an allegory for the suffering of the righteous man’s soul in its quest for “the good vision’’—and descriptive of the reality of a cattle raid from the point of view of its victims, portraying “the brutal carrying off of hapless cattle.’’28 As pictured by one authority: “Zarathustra, the Soul of the Cow, and the Ahuras represent a peace-loving, sedentary form of agriculture in which animal husbandry played an important role. Pitted against them are the wild, lawless nomads and persistent followers of the old ways, all worshippers of the Daevas.”
Çatal Höyük, c. 7300 - c. 6300 BC: an Indo-European Stronghold?

...Heads of bulls, molded from plaster but with actual horn cores, were often mounted on the surfaces of walls, and a “bull pillar,” a single mud-brick topped with a bull’s horns, became a popular icon in peak levels VII and VI. The extremes to which the fascination with cattle was carried at (Çatal Höyük is perhaps best exemplified in the chamber depicted in figure 35, where a row of seven horn cores of Bos primigenius were set into a “bull bench” that was surely used for other than domestic purposes. The excavators have not ventured an interpretation of this construction, but if some part of the Çatal tradition was not only Indo-European but more specifically Indo-Iranian, the bull bench may actually have served as an initiation couch.

According to Bruce Lincoln, an intense initiation was required for those who sought to join the ranks of the Indo-Iranian warrior bands, for the status of the warrior was “charged with magico-religious power and must be entered accordingly.”126 The close association of the Indo- Iranian warrior god with the bull suggests that the bull bench at (Çatal Höyük may have provided this kind of experience to the novice. As Lincoln further observes: “In a certain sense initiation was also a ritual death and rebirth and served to introduce the novice to his celestial counterparts, the warriors of the dead.”126 As in other PPNB sites, human skulls were frequently displayed in Çatal chambers (e.g., fig. 36).
From "Plato The Prehistorian" by Settegast:

A rather sweeping proposition, to be sure, but there are one
or two themes among the very rare examples of narrative art
in the Magdalenian collection that seem particularly reminiscent
of Iranian myth and rite. The first is shown at its best in the
famous Shaft painting at Lascaux, described by one investigator
as "the most striking scene in the entire cave." 229 The Shaft itself
is sixteen feet deep and evidently was negotiated by means of
a rope. At the bottom a small chamber is dominated by a painted
panel some six feet long (fig. 63). Artistically the painting offers
no challenge to the magnificent works in Lascaux's Axial Gallery;
many of the elements here are no more than sketched,
without color or substance. At the center lies a bird-headed or
bird-masked man drawn in stiff black lines. Below him a bird,
also schematically drawn and with a head precisely like that of
the man, is perched on a pole. On the right a bison rendered
in an unusual style appears to be badly wounded. He too is
perhaps recumbent; large black loops believed to be entrails
issue from his lower body, and his head is turned back in that
direction. A line with a barbed hook, which may or may not
represent the Bird-Headed Man's spear, lies across the body of
the bison. To the left a rhinoceros is shown moving away from
the scene. His belly, chest, and foreleg were never sketched in,
and the six black dots under his upraised tail are of uncertain
significance. Leroi-Gourhan believes that this animal may be
irrelevant to the main drama,2 38 but in the opinion of the Abbe
Breuil, it was the rhinoceros, and not the fallen man, that was
responsible for the goring of the bison. 262
Countless numbers of human beings had apparently descended
into the Shaft over the years, wearing and blackening
the stone at the lip of the chasm. A great many bone points, all
broken, and a number of small dishlike stone lamps lay below
the painted panel. Presumed to have been ritual offerings, these
objects add to the impression, generally shared by prehistorians,
that this celebrated chamber played a central role in the religious
life of those who visited Lascaux. The most intensive analysis
of the cave to date has led its authors to conclude with respect
to the Shaft:
Though it is as yet too early to understand the real meaning of
it, such consistency between the place, the wall decoration, and
the whole assemblage invites us to see in this unity the heart of
what was quite obviously a sanctuary. 240
Too early or not, few prehistorians have failed to offer an
explanation of the meaning of the Shaft painting (e.g., hunter
slain by bison, shamanic trance; the man's rigid phallus could
indicate either condition). None has been found convincing
enough for a consensus, however, or for that matter, worthy
of enshrinement at the heart of Lascaux. Hunting magic, at one
time the answer to all problems in interpreting rock art, also
seems to be an inadequate explanation; as Laming-Emperaire
pointed out, it is difficult to see how the Bird-Headed Man, if
indeed dead or wounded, could further the success of the hunt. 229
She found it more likely that figures such as these represent
"mythical beings who were perhaps connected in some way
with the history of the ancestors of the group." If LamingEmperaire
was on the right track, the scene portrayed here
may find its closest surviving counterparts in Inda-European
cosmogony . The composition in the Lascaux Shaft bears a provocative
resemblance to the world-creating death of Gayomart (the
Iranian First Man) and the Primordial Bull.
As told in the Persian Bundahisn, Gayomart and the bull lived
in a state of divine bliss until the evil principle broke into the
world, causing the death of the pair . When the bull died, its
marrow flowed forth to create all the nourishing and healing
plants; its semen was borne to the moon for purification and
thence to the creation of all species of animals. From Gayomart' s
body came the metals ( originally perhaps the mineral kingdom
as a whole); from his own seed, purified in the sun, sprang the
ten species of men.
We shall later find that the creation of the world out of the
body of a primeval anthropomorph, or of a slain bull, was not
limited to Inda-European traditions. But as Gayomart and the
bull have close counterparts in Scandinavian as well as Vedic
mythology, 72 many scholars believe that this theme, like that of
Yima's reign, was known to the Inda-European unity. (In the
Norse myth Ymir, who was also associated with a primordial
bovid, is slain and the earth made from his flesh, the water
from his blood, the mountains from his bones, etc. [Gylfaginning
6-8]; the sacrifice of the Vedic Purusa, a name which combines
the Sanskrit words for "man" and "bull," 244 was similarly generative
[Rig Veda X.90.vi-xvi].) It has further been suggested
that because of the greater conservatism of the Inda-Iranian
branch of the Inda-Europeans, the eastern versions may more
closely approximate the original myth. 243 And it is in fact the
Iranian account which seems most faithful to the scene in the
Lascaux Shaft.
...he may well have slain both man and bison. The pronounced
ithyphallic condition of the fallen man could signify not only
his moribund state but also the release of his seed, while the
effluent from the lower belly of the bison may denote his own
freed seminal substance, as well as or instead of his entrails.
(The barbed line across the body of the bison is in any event
oddly placed to be the man's spear and may depict a symbolic
line of force.) The Persian association of the xvarenah with bird
forms (as in Yima's loss of the Glory, above) suggests that the
bird's head or mask on the fallen man and the bird perched
below him may represent the immortal Glory which Gayomart
himself possessed. Finally, and not of least importance, the
slaying of the First Man and the Primordial Bull- the cosmogonic
act itself-would have been an eminently appropriate
subject for portrayal in the depths of the sanctuary at Lascaux.
The story describing the event depicted in the Shaft may
have played a major part in the oral tradition during the Early
and Middle Magdalenian periods; artistic variations on the
man-bison theme have been found at three other European sites,
dating from perhaps 17,000 to 12,000 B. C. 238 (Lascaux's paintings
were executed in the first half of the fifteenth millennium.) In
Persian mythology the death of the First Man did not prevent
the celebration of a Golden Age; the resplendent Yima was said
to be a descendant of Gayomart, five generations removed (Bundahisn
XXXV). However telescoped mythic time may be, if the
scene in the Shaft does represent the Inda-European cosmogony,
the reign of Yima and the Magdalenian Golden Age may in fact
have been one.
Accepting for the moment this hypothetical identity, we would
expect the decay of art and culture in Late Paleolithic southwest
Europe to have marked the fall of Yima (or of his line). It is in
this light, perhaps, that one should view the next, and almost
the only other, certain examples of narrative art in the Magdalenian
collection, apparently rendered later in the Paleolithic
period. 237 Of these two carved bone plaques, the one from Les
Eyzies (fig. 64a) shows nine small silhouettes of human figures
walking in file toward a bison. They either carry sticks or have
been "struck through" by signs of unknown meaning .265 The
other, from Raymonden (fig. 64b), depicts the head of a bison,
still attached to the spine, with the severed legs of the animal
in front. On either side human figures have again been schematically
drawn, one of which also appears to have lines extending
from his chest. According to one prehistorian: "To regard
this scene as depicting some magic rite connected with trapping,
or the ritual interment of an animal, is altogether far-fetched.
The men facing each other from either side of the animal's spine
are obviously 'faithful' present at the ceremony." 260
What sort of ceremony is not specified; we presume a sacrifice
is meant. Nor is the reason why only now, possibly quite late
in the Magdalenian day, does it seem to have been pictorially
represented. If this is not merely an accident of recovery, these
plaques may depict rites that had been newly instituted (or
perhaps made public) toward the end of the Magdalenian era.
We noted earlier that one of Yima' s alleged sins was giving the
flesh of cattle to the people to eat, which has been interpreted see page 107
as the establishing of ritualized slaughter of the bull. If the body
of the dismembered bison at figure 64b had been ceremonially
consumed by the men surrounding its remains , this was not a
dissimilar ritual. Precise dates are lacking , but it is possible that
these plaques were carved during the decline of prehistoric
Europe's Golden Age. Did the ceremony they depict anticipate
the end of Yima's reign?
Mithra and the Bull
The ceremonial consumption of a bull would later be typical
of many of the initiatory cults of antiquity, among them the
mysteries of the Iranian god Mithra, who in the eyes of some
Iraniologists was closely connected to the Yima cycle of myth. 442
If, through the institution of animal sacrifice, Yima did intend
to confer immortality upon his people (as claimed in the annotation
cited above), it would agree with the purposes of the
mysteries, which aimed at the divinizing, or the immortalizing,
of the individual.
The bull sacrifice in the Mithraic mysteries was apparently a
re-enactment of Mithra's mythic slaying of the bull that he had
captured in the wild. As reconstructed from Roman monuments,
Mithra had seized a wild bull by the horns and ridden
it until the animal was exhausted. He then carried the bull back
to his cave, and, in a scene that was familiar throughout the
Roman empire, Mithra slew the bull, grasping its nostrils with
one hand and plunging a dagger into its side with the other
(fig. 65). From the body of the dying animal emerged, according
to one interpretation, all of the useful plants and herbs which
cover the earth. 91 The similarity of this sequence to the murder
of the Primordial Bull has not gone unnoticed, but it has also
been observed that Mithra's deed recalls the eschatology as well
as the cosmogony of the Iranians, who believed that the virtuous
would be immortalized at the end of time through the sacrifice
of a sacred bull by a saosyant (savior). 186 In this case, as one
authority points out, "it could be said that initiation into the
Mysteries anticipated the final Renovation, in other words, the
salvation of the mystes [the participant]." 120
More related excerpts from "The Origins of the World's Mythologies" by Witzel and from "Dawn and Twilight of Zoroastrianism", here:

 
Yet another fascinating session. Thanks so much to all concerned for your hard work. I have just read Laura's blog article about Grok and exploring the hyperdimensional hypothosis. I am speechless....but I can still type..... :-) We all knew what they were doing but now we know exactly how they are doing it. It was chilling to read. I was never particularly interested in X and found the comments mostly unkind, unpleasant and shouty. I definitely won't be going there again. What I found interesting was the STS attention to balance. They don't want to wipe us out..yet...because they would destroy their farm and their feeding protocols. It is all precise attention to detail and a subtle balancing act apparently. We really cannot take anything on face value anymore; we must always assume that there is some carefully orchestrated manipulation behind it.
 
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