Session 28 June 2025

Sorry to write briefly due to lack of time, I hope I convey well what I want to say. There are records in history of how men hurt women and how women hurt men. Patriarchy? Matriarchy? As for me, they are one and the same thing that is - ideology. Personally, I hate any ideology , I believe that it is ideologies that create weakness in us or rather deepen our weaknesses. Women and men are different. If we are not aware of what is the psychology and biology of both men and women then divisions are created. If we add harm to the divisions, the desire to explain the harm and ideology is born. We are human beings, men or women, smart or dumb, handicapped or healthy. It is important that we are strong to endure the pain in life, wise to understand the world and other beings as they are. Let's have love, understanding and forgiveness so that we don't perish in the chains of hatred. A discussion has arisen about who should rule and I will ask why should anyone rule? :-)
And if someone lacks strength then let's just be strong, let's not look for ideology to justify weakness e.g. Weakness of men. Let's seek understanding and act to do our homework :-)
 
And who is the one who should give them that?
Aren't these qualities that each of us (whether male or female) needs to find, build and use, or in other words, work on ourselves?
And who is the one who forbids/doesn't allow us to do that?
God?
4D STS?
World government?
Parents?
Partners (male/female)? .....

Yes you are right. Power shouldn't be given and is earned like everything else. Same should go for both men and women. And that is part of the point I'm trying to make, artificial interference (outside of the natural free market of life and interactions between men and women) that gives power/resource/money to any gender (done by governments) is bad cause it's disbalancing the natural 'market' of interaction between men and women and artificially giving more(unearned) power to women (like divorce courts, like false rape allegations, like government subsidies etc.)

And on top of that there are anti male brainwashing campaigns going on (feminism being the best example) that also aim to disempower and shame men.

And that all adds up to men feeling cheated and used by the system that is rigging the game of life against them, and more and more men end up feeling totally disempowered and what is value of a disempowered man in society and in his own eyes. Exactly. And they quit the game because it makes them feel worthless and powerless.

But back to your point. Yes I agree it's up to each of us personally to earn the power and knowledge and tools on our own. But, at the moment things are stacked against men and that's why I believe there is a need for helping men in empowering and educating themselves. And those sources and tools are available, so yes you can argue that those want to find them, would do so, because the free will rule. So yes I agree with your point. It's men individually who have responsibility to choose to empower themselves, especially because the fact that in a man's reality, if you don't build power and value, you are not worth anything. Trust me women it is like that.

So it's up to the individual then as always. But things don't look encouraging based on what I see going and the level of weakness of us men generally speaking. And I don't want to meet good old Shiva (perhaps feminine energy chaotic aspect unleashed/menifested in the form of destruction) just yet 😅

And that's why logos/masculine should be in 'control' of the feminine (part of which is chaos). It's a cosmic order of things. If it reverses then possibly it can lead to chaos and dis-aster. Or that's a working theory.
 
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I guess I'm seeing a reflection of the battle of the sexes at large here in this topic and I perceive it as arguing.

Could I make a request to start a separate forum topic on this to discuss further? It seems to me like it's taking over all other posts (about other topics related to the session) in number and frequency of posting.
 
The general ethos, the beauty, grace and elegance of how people dressed, the cars they drove etc (beautiful dresses & gloves, suits and hats, no fish lips, cosmetic surgery, tattoos etc). Family & community (less divorce). The video to the 50s edit of this song by luc recently captures this 50s vibe:

And this:

Consumerism was starting, sure, but the products appear to have durability (see this fridge still running today from 1951 and this one from a bit later) - built-in obsolescence had not crept in yet. And the cars were gorgeous too.

Then the counterculture revolution (inspired in part by the CIA) started in the 60s and here we are. I’m not saying all things were perfect in the 50s, but it seems to me that everything devolved in terms of beauty, architecture, education and culture from the 60s onwards.

Edit: I should add that I wasn’t around then, it comes from watching old movies, listening to my parents talking about those times, their photos from back then & their social norms (they weren’t allowed to be alone & had to have a chaperone).
I endorse your comments. I have the advantage on you though since I was born in the late 1950's and my very first memories are of that era. I was born in Britain and my parents who married in 1953 had had their childhoods ruined by six years of total war. Even as a small child I was conscious of the effects of the war since the country was still very much in recovery mode. Indeed, some war time rationing was still in place when I was born. My parents were just grateful that they had survived (some of my mother's siblings didn't) and took whatever opportunities were available to build a better life for themselves and their young family.

As a boomer, my twin brother and I were amongst the first generation to grow up with television and the consumer age that was promoted through advertising on that medium. Three of my grandparents were proper Victorians for whom the 1950's would probably have seemed as far removed from their age as the Victorian period was from Elizabethan England (my paternal grandfather was, for example, born in 1876 but died six weeks before I was born). The prime minister of Britain at that time was the very patrician Sir Harold McMillan who promoted the slogan of the era, which was "you have never had it so good". Just think of the derision that would greet today's prime minister Sir Keir Starmer if he tried to use that slogan :lol:. However, for the post war generation, McMillan may have had a point.

What I do remember growing up was how ordered society was in the late 1950's and early 1960's. One vivid memory I have was going to a local park where there was a boating lake. It was summer and the men were dressed in blazers and flannels and the women in colourful summer frocks (think of the boating scene in that great romantic movie Brief Encounter and you get the picture). By comparison today, we really do dress as slobs :lol:. Perhaps my first memory of the coming counterculture was walking past a record shop in 1963 and seeing a lot of record sleeves promoting the new band of the moment, the Beatles. Little did I know then what an impact the Fab Four would have not just on British culture but western culture generally. The C's have commented on the CIA's involvement with the singers and bands that came out of Laurel Canyon in California in the late 1960's but my understanding is that John Lennon had links with Britain's MI6 through his uncle who was an MI6 operative. Just coincidence? Who knows?

We have a wonderful program in the UK called 'The Footage Detectives', which airs on the TV channel Talking Pictures. It is presented by the channel's owner and the popular DJ, Mike Reid who was heavily involved in promoting the music of the late 1960's and the 1970's on radio and later on TV, although today he is a very conservative character. The program plays clips of long lost or forgotten TV shows, advertisements, public information films and newsreels as well as home movie footage from the 1930's through to the early 1980's. I have to say that watching it makes me very nostalgic for the 1950's and 1960's. If I had a time machine, I would definitely be tempted to get in it and head back to those times :-). They were certainly a lot saner than today and people seemed more serious and not continually absorbed by trivia. When watching the show, one is left with the feeling of how much the country has changed for the worse. No doubt this is true for most other western countries too.​
 
And that's why logos/masculine should be in 'control' of the feminine (part of which is chaos). It's a cosmic order of things. If it reverses then possibly it can lead to chaos and dis-aster. Or that's a working theory.
..And achieve that by being in control/power over himself.
And what lesson is this temple trying to teach (men) and why was it important enough to be carved into such a monumental and intricate stone structure?

 
I dont think we have ever lived in a Patriarchy and never will.

Patriarchy would mean a peasant man has power over an elite woman, which simply has never been the case. Our hierarchial nature is rooted in the STS mind, and thus our societies manifest as hierarchial structures. A small group of elites have power concentrated to them and enslave the rest.. this has pretty much been the blueprint for every society.. I would even think that this kind of hierarchial structure was prominent before the lizards started directly influencing us.
I believe that the Romans operated a true patriarchy. Indeed, the word "Patriarch" derives from the Latin word "Pater" meaning father. The Romans operated a system called "pater familias", which meant literally 'father of the family' or the estate. The pater familias was usually the oldest living male in a household, and could legally exercise autocratic authority over his extended family. He was responsible for its well-being, reputation and legal and moral propriety.

Originally, the pater familias had absolute control over all persons in his household and all property comprising his estate. This absoluteness would though weaken over time through subsequent legal changes. However, pater familias meant that all sons and daughters came under their father's jurisdiction and could not marry without his prior approval. In theory at least, he held the power of life and death over every member of his extended familia through ancient right. In practice, the extreme form of this right was seldom exercised though. If this was not a true patriarchy then tell me what is.

The Celts by way of comparison gave more rights to women as did the Vikings. The Romans never had female monarchs or Caesars whereas the Celts did. Perhaps the best example in Britain was Queen Boudicca or Boadicea who led a rebellion by her Iceni tribe against Roman rule. She famously led from the front in her war chariot for it was not unusual for Celtic women to be involved directly in battles. The English poet Robert Graves promoted the view that the British were usually happier to be ruled by a Queen and pointed to the fact that the English/British golden ages coincided with the reigns of Queen Elizabeth I and Queen Victoria. Unfortunately, I can't say that the reign of our late monarch Queen Elizabeth II was particularly a golden age from my perspective.

The Victorians tended to worship all things Roman and copied the Romans in many ways, especially in promoting stoicism and direct moral responsibility. To some extent, the Victorians also operated their own form of pater familias, where the father was the complete master of his household. Indeed, in England married women were not allowed to own property in their own right until the year 1870 when with the passing of the Married Women's Property Act 1870 they could finally take possession of their own earnings and property, giving them a measure of financial independence for the first time in English law. One can justifiably argue that this was the first substantive step in female emancipation in England.​
 
I will try and process some of my thoughts on the issue.

In general women are stronger in the social arena and men in the physical arena. As some cultures have come to increasingly see physical violence as socially unacceptable this may have altered the relationship dynamics somewhat. Note I am in no way trying to argue for physical violence in relationships.

In an ideal relationship this tilt would be of no consequence. Unfortunately, most relationships here on 3D Earth are imperfect with STS forces constantly trying to use whatever vectors they can to feed upon us, turning partners against one another for this purpose. This possible slight imbalance is exploited by anti-man and masculinity propaganda promoted throughout society framing men as bad and inferior to women. Unless of course, they are a biological man pretending to be a woman, in which case their needs and desires are more important than actual women. Bringing up the trans stuff just to show how this situation has come full circle to where it is oppressing and exploiting people of both genders and maybe looping back into a twisted patriarchy.

This apparent aggression from some women pushes men to increasingly view them negatively, this perception encapsulated in the trope of the ‘nagging wife’. This combines with the avoidance of violence to lead some men to feel things are only this way because they are holding back. These observations and beliefs are guided to promote the extreme response calling for a patriarchy by which a ‘strong man’ should control their woman to prevent her from instigating conflict against you. This however just represses any actual issues in the relationship and promotes an ideology of objectification of women whose feelings become unimportant as long as the man remains in control. A woman speaking out becomes a failing of the man to control her rather than a failure to meet her needs.

My experience with my parents was that after serious arguments my dad would typically withdraw to be alone to escape the situation. This would occur when defeated, but also when ‘winning’ which would result in tears from my mum. I presume this is related to conflicting feelings as the anger blocked a sympathetic response leaving the need to withdraw to escape the situation. My point here being that it seems that both sides of the spectrum are based around repressing the self and emotions of one half of the relationship.

Choosing between the two extremes of a totalitarian matriarchy or totalitarian patriarchy is just STS trying to control us and simplifying things to a choice between two evils; all the while 4D STS are actually the ones in control. A positive romantic relationship shouldn’t require dominance by either participant but should be open and understanding working and synergizing together. This seems hard to find in our current STS reality, but some of the novels within the romance thread give us some idea of perhaps how it could be achieved by serving each other.
 
I guess I'm seeing a reflection of the battle of the sexes at large here in this topic and I perceive it as arguing.

Could I make a request to start a separate forum topic on this to discuss further? It seems to me like it's taking over all other posts (about other topics related to the session) in number and frequency of posting.

I suggest the title be "Down with the patriarchy = down with society that's under STS control?" or "Artificially transfering power from men to women manifests Shiva the destroyer in 3D STS reality?".
 
Sensational options, I must admit! I prefer the second, by the way.

Let's explore it. It's an important topic (and there are already threads on the similar topic on the forum) and can be argued that male female relationships are a microcosm of the relationship of masculine and feminine cosmic aspects/energies. And thus it could be quite possible that the upset of the feminine and masculine order below could reflect and invite the response from above.
 
I correct myself, maybe Shiva the destroyer isn't the best deity to choose for it, I probably jumped to conclusion there. Maybe just cosmic disasters in general and their possible connection to disbalance between masculine and feminine order here in 3D reality.
 
Since we are still on this thread, just a few remarks and a question to stimulate thought.

I noticed that you call the relationship between a man and a woman a market.
the natural free market of life and interactions between men and women

s bad cause it's disbalancing the natural 'market' of interaction between men and women
This leads to a series of wrong conclusions.
Perhaps this is why romance novels are suggested for you to read.
Love, affection, loyalty, life partner... are not sold or bought. Such transactions are made by sick people, not men and women.

Men and women enter into a partnership. The goal of a partnership is not to gain dominance over one another, but to support one another in life and, most importantly, to raise and protect offspring. You are a father, you know what I am referring to - children.

And on top of that there are anti male brainwashing campaigns going on (feminism being the best example) that also aim to disempower and shame men.
The fact is that the system manipulates both men and women. A distraction that allows for unpunished child abuse. Children are victims, not adults.
We need; physically healthy, mentally clear, spiritually enlightened and united in power, men and women, to protect the most vulnerable, our children.
And that's why logos/masculine should be in 'control' of the feminine (part of which is chaos). It's a cosmic order of things. If it reverses then possibly it can lead to chaos and dis-aster. Or that's a working theory.
..And achieve that by being in control/power over himself.
I believe that these attributes are present in both men and women. Again, I don't think it's a good choice of words; dominance control/power, I prefer to choose a balance of these qualities in each of us.
It's probably a female vibe.;-)

I'm seeing a reflection of the battle of the sexes at large here in this topic and I perceive it as arguing.
Why do you perceive a conversation between a male and a female as a fight/batle and an arguing?
 
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