Session 28 March 2010

[Cyre2067]

(Ailén) So the way that some homosexuals are overidentified with being gay, like gay bars and that stuff, that has to be just cultural then...?

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

Well that explains a lot.

Edit: Qualifying, it seems a lot of queens go out for the sole purpose of attention seeking. Now I'm wondering more about drag queens specifically, and how where ever they go they draw a lot of attention onto themselves mostly due to their height (they tend to be tall + heels) and outlandish appearance. If attention = energy then the entire gay scene could be seen as one big energy vacuum.

Crap.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Thank you for this very interesting session! So many things to think about, as usual... :)

 

[RyanX]

Another thought provoking session! Thanks everyone!

[quote author=Laura](Ailén) So the way that some homosexuals are overidentified with being gay, like gay bars and that stuff, that has to be just cultural then...?

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

Q: (L) Huh.[/quote]

The questions on imprinting and homosexuality reminded me of some of the things discussed in this thread from a couple years back:

Are 50% of Alien Abductees Homosexual?

It would have been interesting to follow up with the C's to see if abduction related events can trigger imprinting of sexual preference?

Also...

A: Yes? Then you must lay down the foundation and pattern. Let us ask you a question: If you had not had certain traumas, would you have felt so determined to find answers to the suffering of humanity???

Q: (L) No, I guess if I'd had a perfect childhood and if everything had been perfect and nice, I guess I would have been a potato. [laughter] I guess I would have been a monkey!

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, what you're suggesting is that you lay down a foundation of security, and then you begin to introduce patterns of frustration or whatever of the child having to confront themselves?

(Ark) Challenges.

(L) Yeah, challenges. So then you set up challenges for the child to meet or overcome?

A: Yes. And fairly early too!

Q: (L) What do you mean by "fairly early"?

A: Starting with weaning!

This is interesting. Although the discussion here is on infant development and early childhood. What the C's are saying is pretty close to how G describes his childhood upbringing in Meetings with Remarkable Men. I don't have the book in front of me, but in that book he describes how his father taught him many different things, but each time G started to get comfortable or familiar with a certain talent or skill, his father would take it away and start him on something new, so as to constantly challenge him in new ways.

Of course such a process should be done in a loving way that's not focused on meeting the needs of the parents, but focused on challenging the child to meet a challenging world, OSIT.

 

[realitybugll]

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

Wow, yes! I have been thinking something similar.

The High School I go to is extremely liberal and "gay-friendly." supposed to be very "open" like if someone makes derogatory gay comment to another person it can be a big deal. faculty can get involved and they could get expelled etc. ironically of course behind closed doors and with certain groups of guys their is still a lot of homophobia... which to me is understandable in the society we live in.

What I really can't stand is...for instance: a religious group is going to be advocating anti-gay sentiment outside of a youth organization. on our "bulletin board" it says here is where they can be... go there to protest blah blah blah.. and around school its like anyone who is against gays is the worst person on earth they are not even human. This is the outward feelings people portray even if they don't even feel it.

So it is this huge deal even if its not. it becomes a thing that polarizes people. people who are pro gay rights make a huge deal out of it. when people should move beyond it and understand everyone is human, they believe what they want, now what are the deeper issues to think about...

my two cents. a very timely transcription! thanks all for continuing to do what you do. :)


edit:

Qualifying, it seems a lot of queens go out for the sole purpose of attention seeking.

yes they are no "better" than anti-gay movement. generally, thats my thought anyways. further polarization- lead to stigmatization i.e homosexuals are different.

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[Gawan]

Thanks for sharing Laura and team!!

Q: (L) So if your health is compromised, it makes it more difficult for you to achieve any kind of awareness or spiritual growth. Is that it?

A: Yes. Hasn't that always been the case?

Q: (L) So you're saying that health issues, destroying people's health - like even the introduction of wheat and other things that are not conducive to good health - are ways of preventing awareness and spiritual growth?

A: Yes. A long and carefully thought out plan of 4D STS.

Just to keep -us- alive, but below the level of optimum. That's a really devious economic and plan.

(L) Okay, next question: "Lately, we all felt as if we had 'returned to our old selves'. A lot of people in the forum also felt depressed, had accidents, etc. Is this related to the shifting of the Earth's magnetic poles or was it a sort of attack?"

A: Both. The environment is changing and certain forces are aware of it and seek to counter or take advantage.

Well, something like that I felt in the last weeks and I speculated already if there could be more behind it, than meets the eye.



Thanks again.

 

[Hildegarda]

very interesting session, thank you for sharing!

 

[RyanX]

edit:

Qualifying, it seems a lot of queens go out for the sole purpose of attention seeking.

yes they are no "better" than anti-gay movement. generally, thats my thought anyways. further polarization- lead to stigmatization i.e homosexuals are different.

FWIW, Puck made the comment, not me :)

 

[Turgon]

Thanks for the session Laura and team!! Always an interesting read that throws everything a person knows topsy-turvy!

A: Finovroia troubleshooting. Signal disruptors have been focused on you and other group members. Fire away.

Q: (L) Well, are these signal disruptors the source of this feeling that a number of us have been having for maybe a couple of weeks now - as well as some of the really weird dreams we've been having?

A: Yes. HAARP takes its toll.

Q: (L) Have we finished with that one? Okay. I would like to know what is the cause of Martha Crow's death?

A: Waves she was susceptible to due to lack of awareness and failure to apply knowledge.

Q: (L) So there was some kind of beaming activity going on and she got hit by it. Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Was she specifically targeted?

A: Not specifically.

Q: (Ark) How being aware could help? What could she do?

(L) Take better care of her health.

(Ailén) Network.

(L) Get rid of that psychopathic boyfriend she was hanging around with.

A: Her partner was a vector.

Q: (L) Are you saying that another human being can be literally a vector of waves that can kill you?

A: In some cases, yes. There are quite a few such vectors about nowadays.

Man, this is crazy! Vectors out there in our daily lives trying to send bad juju our way. Is there anything we can do to determine who are vectors in our lives, if we even have vectors? Obviously eating quality foods and maintaining our health, opening our eyes, acting upon what we know. But how can a vector literally kill you?

Do they send waves your way that scramble your thinking functions so that you are susceptible to 'accidents' by affecting your awareness level? They affect your body chemistry which in turn affects your thinking and emotions, which is in bad shape if your not in optimum health. People that literally drain your energy so you make mistakes ...

 

[Mountain Crown]

Thanks for sharing Laura.

Balancing nurture and challenge in early childhood is very interesting.

 

[sleepermustawaken]

Thank YOU, Laura and Team.

Very interesting session....As of last week I had a thought come through my mind about pole shifting: aren't we due for one, and how would it feel like), and someone brought up the question about HAARP: what would the function of such a thing be. And, an openly gay individual was discussing how or why he feels he became gay, and that he feels that he needs to change.

WOW!! never thought that something like this might come up indirectly, or may be directly??

Though I did not think much of it, and now reading these things that was included in a session....I just wonder.

Questions for the Cs: Do some of the forum member perceive what others in the forum may be thinking, or could it be a call, as in my case to participate more in the forum (networking)??

Thanks again to ALL involved in this session.

 

[Rhys]

Thanks for sharing Laura and team!!

Q: (L) So if your health is compromised, it makes it more difficult for you to achieve any kind of awareness or spiritual growth. Is that it?

A: Yes. Hasn't that always been the case?

Q: (L) So you're saying that health issues, destroying people's health - like even the introduction of wheat and other things that are not conducive to good health - are ways of preventing awareness and spiritual growth?

A: Yes. A long and carefully thought out plan of 4D STS.

Just to keep -us- alive, but below the level of optimum. That's a really devious economic and plan.

(L) Okay, next question: "Lately, we all felt as if we had 'returned to our old selves'. A lot of people in the forum also felt depressed, had accidents, etc. Is this related to the shifting of the Earth's magnetic poles or was it a sort of attack?"

A: Both. The environment is changing and certain forces are aware of it and seek to counter or take advantage.

Well, something like that I felt in the last weeks and I speculated already if there could be more behind it, than meets the eye.



Thanks again.

I have had many "accidents" and accompanying feelings of depression especially in the last few days... As horrible as it is, I'm so glad just to know that this is not so accidental!

THANK YOU to everyone at Buckwheat Castle for your dedication, where would we be without you?

 

[Marcus-Aurelius]

Thanks for the session!

 

[Smallwood]

I didn't know of another Sott-regular who passed away. I don't know what to say.

All I can say is that this really is a war after all...

Time to make it a point out of being a warrior then! Time to draw a line with the diet right here and now. Time to stand behind every decision that I know to be just.

Thanks guys for the session!

(We need Ponerology for dummies! Lobaczewski is a saint, but there is certainly a need for a "popular" version of his work).

 

[Rose]

Thank you for this very interesting session

 

[StrangeCaptain]

The High School I go to is extremely liberal and "gay-friendly." supposed to be very "open" like if someone makes derogatory gay comment to another person it can be a big deal. faculty can get involved and they could get expelled etc. ironically of course behind closed doors and with certain groups of guys their is still a lot of homophobia... which to me is understandable in the society we live in.

What I really can't stand is...for instance: a religious group is going to be advocating anti-gay sentiment outside of a youth organization. on our "bulletin board" it says here is where they can be... go there to protest blah blah blah.. and around school its like anyone who is against gays is the worst person on earth they are not even human. This is the outward feelings people portray even if they don't even feel it.

So it is this huge deal even if its not. it becomes a thing that polarizes people. people who are pro gay rights make a huge deal out of it. when people should move beyond it and understand everyone is human, they believe what they want, now what are the deeper issues to think about...

my two cents. a very timely transcription! thanks all for continuing to do what you do. :)


edit:

Qualifying, it seems a lot of queens go out for the sole purpose of attention seeking.

yes they are no "better" than anti-gay movement. generally, thats my thought anyways. further polarization- lead to stigmatization i.e homosexuals are different.

If you are in a group of people who can be beaten, jailed, or completely ostracized because of a character or body trait, it probably is pretty natural to band together to seek protection under the law if such is possible. Considering that sexuality seems to be something we can not necessarily choose and cannot change (and the C's seem to be agreeing with this), then we are talking about a characteristic that is nearly as deeply ingrained in the physical sense and in the personality as race itself. So would you tell blacks in the 60's to move beyond it and realize that everyone is human and to think about the bigger picture? The people who need to hear that are usually the ones who are physically and emotionally assaulting others because they are a different race or sexuality or gender or... The list goes on and on.

In some sense, you would be right to say such a thing. Certainly, MLK was led to consider the entire system that the racial struggle was embedded in in order to really think on how amelioration of economic inequity could possibly occur. Certainly within the gay rights movements individuals have issues just as they do in the anti-war movement. And certainly what we know of ponerology is lacking in all of these circles. That is why they can be co-opted so often. Which brings me to this quote...

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

There might be an interesting clue here. We suspect that COINTELPRO is the MO of the ponerized system. By COINTELPRO, I mean the method of warfare via deception long before covert aggression ever occurs and not specifically FBI tactics in the 60s: agents saboteur and provocateur, false flag operations, plausible deniability, etc. And of course, the FBI did use such tactics in the 60s. Then they were caught and "officially" such activities ceased.

So we have the statement above about a CIA program. Assuming it is correct, did the CIA pick up the baton from the FBI in terms of undertaking operations to destabilize and co-opt various popular domestic movements.

As to "set up antipathy, differences," who really feels threatened by the gay movement? Well... The religious right of course... It is yet another thing that makes them feel "their" country has been stolen from them just as Obama's "socialist" tendencies (I almost can't type that without laughing (or maybe crying)) threatens them so badly. As long as this 30% feels actively threatened they can be more easily and quickly mobilized and manipulated.

The last part "identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering" just gives me the chills. Are there lists out there somewhere for who to put into camps the religious right would eventually set up to protect their precious way of life from muslims, gays, liberals, hippies, people who don't sing in church with the proper reverence, etc? Or could it refer to the gathering of intelligence on prominent figures such as politicians to use as blackmail leverage?

As always, interesting session...