Session 29 July 2006

mArowmErowmEr

The Force is Strong With This One
I admit that this is one of the more troubling sessions for me as well; having been brought up surrounded by Zionism, it was definitely uncomfortable.
So my emotional centre reacted negatively to the comments about the gas chambers and about the number of Jews killed. I personally believe that gas chambers were used and that the number was possibly somewhat higher than six million; that's just my own opinion on the matter.
The Nizkor Project has a whole collection of articles on the Holocaust primarily to combat Holocaust denialism that also help contextualise virtually everything in Political Ponerology. It's currently owned by B'nai Brith, but it was all assembled by a non-Jewish man decades beforehand. They seem to be fighting the good fight to me, because they seem to have been under attack a lot by pathological types: _http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/
It also seems a bit noteworthy that the transmission might have been corrupted somewhat by two factors:
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[*]The fact that they were temporarily transmitting from Leo instead of Cassiopaea. I noticed that their 'signature style' was somewhat 'off'; for instance, they began with '3 Nights! Ok'. I can imagine you being somewhat bewildered by the sudden comment.
[*]The emotional atmosphere seems tense. Judging from what I know of 2006, there was a lot of stress, what with the new forum, the attacks, the lawsuit, etc., all feeding into a generally negative atmosphere. The Cs themselves have said that transmission quality varies depending on the people there and the emotional current. Even the transcription itself seems to have been written under stress.
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That all being said, another possibility is that the Cs were using a Gurdjieff tactic of saying something simply to force more thinking on the matter; it could be their way of reminding us not to turn the Holocaust into a religion, not to accept everything on blind principle, or possibly both or something else.
That being said, as for the context of why I'm commenting here and now: the Zionists are stepping up their game in the propaganda war (even trying to silence a Jewish girl in New Jersey born in Israel for tweeting about the apartheid), but at the same time, some actual anti-Semites are gaining momentum with Trump's ascendancy. So I think that while the Holocaust should most emphatically not be used as Zionist propaganda for their own ethnic cleansing of Palestine, it should definitely be remembered as a reminder of the consequences of prejudice and the very real possibility of a racist and fascist regime under Trump. And, of course, I have my personal reasons as an ethnic part-Jew.
 
First, thanks for all the new old sessions you've been putting up...they fill a lot of gaps.

I had read this one long ago, but looking at it today something "clicked"...i may be wrong, and i did read the whole thread just now to see if anyone caught it, and it appears no one did, but the 3 nights reference hit me this way..

Session 29th July 2006.
Laura, Ark, Perceval, Andromeda, Galahad, Mr. Scott, Galatea, Atriedes

A: 3 Nights! Ok
3 Knights, right? ....sorry if this is noise.
 

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mArowmErowmEr said:
I admit that this is one of the more troubling sessions for me as well; having been brought up surrounded by Zionism, it was definitely uncomfortable.
So my emotional centre reacted negatively to the comments about the gas chambers and about the number of Jews killed. I personally believe that gas chambers were used and that the number was possibly somewhat higher than six million; that's just my own opinion on the matter.
The Nizkor Project has a whole collection of articles on the Holocaust primarily to combat Holocaust denialism that also help contextualise virtually everything in Political Ponerology. It's currently owned by B'nai Brith, but it was all assembled by a non-Jewish man decades beforehand. They seem to be fighting the good fight to me, because they seem to have been under attack a lot by pathological types: _http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/
It also seems a bit noteworthy that the transmission might have been corrupted somewhat by two factors:
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[*]The fact that they were temporarily transmitting from Leo instead of Cassiopaea. I noticed that their 'signature style' was somewhat 'off'; for instance, they began with '3 Nights! Ok'. I can imagine you being somewhat bewildered by the sudden comment.
[*]The emotional atmosphere seems tense. Judging from what I know of 2006, there was a lot of stress, what with the new forum, the attacks, the lawsuit, etc., all feeding into a generally negative atmosphere. The Cs themselves have said that transmission quality varies depending on the people there and the emotional current. Even the transcription itself seems to have been written under stress.
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That all being said, another possibility is that the Cs were using a Gurdjieff tactic of saying something simply to force more thinking on the matter; it could be their way of reminding us not to turn the Holocaust into a religion, not to accept everything on blind principle, or possibly both or something else.
That being said, as for the context of why I'm commenting here and now: the Zionists are stepping up their game in the propaganda war (even trying to silence a Jewish girl in New Jersey born in Israel for tweeting about the apartheid), but at the same time, some actual anti-Semites are gaining momentum with Trump's ascendancy. So I think that while the Holocaust should most emphatically not be used as Zionist propaganda for their own ethnic cleansing of Palestine, it should definitely be remembered as a reminder of the consequences of prejudice and the very real possibility of a racist and fascist regime under Trump. And, of course, I have my personal reasons as an ethnic part-Jew.
Don't you think that the hyping of the Jewish holocaust to the exclusion of other holocausts has actually enabled further mass murder, and for that reason it's actually more of a negative than a positive in terms of, as you say, a "reminder of the consequences of prejudice"? To be specific, wouldn't you say that in its use as a reminder of the consequence of prejudice, it has also been (ab)used to create massive prejudice against Arabs that has facilitated wars and invasions of the Middle East that have resulted in the deaths, to date, of millions of Arabs, many of them semites?
 

mArowmErowmEr

The Force is Strong With This One
Joe said:
Don't you think that the hyping of the Jewish holocaust to the exclusion of other holocausts has actually enabled further mass murder, and for that reason it's actually more of a negative than a positive in terms of, as you say, a "reminder of the consequences of prejudice"? To be specific, wouldn't you say that in its use as a reminder of the consequence of prejudice, it has also been (ab)used to create massive prejudice against Arabs that has facilitated wars and invasions of the Middle East that have resulted in the deaths, to date, of millions of Arabs, many of them semites?
Absolutely. Not only do the Zionists use it as propaganda for the Palestinian holocaust, but also the U.S. uses it for the genocides in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.. In my opinion, if we remember the Nazi Holocaust, we have to remember the 11 million non-Jews that perished alongside.
Not only that, but we have to remember that the Nazi Holocaust was not the epitome of mass murder and evil. Especially when we consider the Rape of Nanjing, the Rwandan Genocide, the Armenian Genocide, the Stalinist purges, the Maoist famines, the Cambodian Genocide, Pinochet's regime, and the U.S. atrocities in Vietnam, not even to mention the Nakba. And that was the 20th century alone.
Forgive me; I don't think I was being quite clear enough earlier. I would like to make it clear that every genocide, not just that committed by the Nazis, should be treated as a reminder, but also that when the Nazi Holocaust is brought up, we cannot allow it to be abused and distorted by psychopaths. I think Latuff drew much more succinctly what I was trying to say in this cartoon:
 
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