Session 29 July 2023

What about this guy as a candidate?

The above image is intended to be an artistic impression of Prince Marduk, the son of Enki. According to legend, Marduk is supposedly an Anunnaki prince who was involved in a civil war of the Anunnaki gods, which involved mankind. One of the key battlegrounds was supposed to have been the Great Pyramid at Giza, which had been deployed as a weapon system.

Here is what the C' said about the Mesopotamian Anunnaki gods who were first popularised as aliens by Zacharia Sitchin (a self-taught expert on Sumerian cuneiform text who got a lot of the details about the Anunnaki wrong):

Session 30 September 1994:
Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Where were they from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the fear, chaos and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.


In that same session the C's had earlier commented on the Lizard beings and their Grey alien cybergenetic robots:

Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?

A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?

A: Other.

Q: (L) What planet from?

A: Qaddeera.

Q: (L) What star system is that in?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings...

A: Cybergenetic.

Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they have souls?

A: They are Decoys.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?

A: Near.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?

A: Orions.


However, in that same session the C's advised that Enlil and Enki were in fact Cassiopaeans.
Q: (L) Who were Enlil and Enki, the Annunaki of Sumerian stories?

A: Great teachers.

Q: (L) Were they human or extraterrestrial?

A: Extraterrestrial.

Q: (L) Where did they come from?

A: Cassiopaea.


If we followed the Sumerian stories and Sitchin's logic this would lead to the uncomfortable conclusion that Enlil and Enki, as Cassiopaeans, were Lizard beings, which evidently cannot be right. Hence, it would seem the Sumerian legends, as depicted in the Enuma Elish, are a muddled remembrance of much earlier events involving the Lizard beings as noted by Laura:

20 The Annunaki are described by Z. Sitchin as the "sons of An," the Sumerian high God over all the other gods. He includes Enlil and Enki among them, though the facts may be somewhat confused. "Annunaku" was the Akkadian name for a group of gods of the underworld. They function as judges in the realm of the dead. Their counterparts are the Igigi (although in some texts the positions are reversed). The Annunaku show many similarities with the Sumerian Anunna. The Anunnaku are the offspring of Anu.

Curiously, although Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki came from a planet called Nibiru, the C''s put a completely different spin on that name:

Q: (L) I discovered the name Nibiru in a list of demonic names. What is the origin of this name?

A: Dark teacher.

T
he C's also confirmed that Sitchin had confused his planet Nibiru with the cluster of cycling comets.

There may be further confusion where the C's said the Kantekkians were rescued by the Lizard beings:
Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?

A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.


Do the C's mean the Lizards are the Anunnaki or the Kantekkians - the "Sons of Anak" or An/Anu? Elsewhere the C's have confirmed though that the Nephilim were those humanoid beings known as the "Sons" of God:​

Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: When were they brought here?

A: 9046 B.C. one reference.
[MJF: which you should note corresponds to the timeframe for the building of Göbekli Tepe, the Neolithic archaeological site in the South-eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey dated to between c. 9500 and 8000 BC]

Q: They were giants, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or "Sons" of God, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall...

A: Yes.

Q: You and the ancient literature say that these sons of god intermarried with human women, is that correct?

A: Yes.


As to the tale of the Enuma Elish, the C's said this about it: in the session dated 25 October 1994:

Q: (L) What is the Enuma Elish really about?

A: Ascent.

Q: (L) Ascent of what?

A: Gods.

Q: (L) What gods were these?

A: Lizards.


We know that at one period the Lizards co-existed with man (they still do underground - Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet? A: 300,000) but the above explanation of Enuma Elish seems to indicate that they abandoned Earth, perhaps at the time of the Deluge, when the environment on Earth radically changed.
Q: Who built the city of Mohenjo-Daro?

A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties into this directly look at illustrations on stones now.

Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
[MJF: Is this the same being as Quetzalcoatl, the feathered Serpent god of the Aztecs? The earliest depictions of the feathered serpent deity were fully zoomorphic, depicting the serpent as an actual snake.]

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Feathered Serpent head at the Ciudadela complex in Teotihuacan

Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?
A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.
]

A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.

Marduk is also connected to the planet Mars according to the C's, a planet that has for a long time been linked in mankind's consciousness with war:​

Q: (L) Marduk

A: Mars.


Could Marduk, representing the Lizards, have been responsible for, or connected with, the nuclear was on Mars perhaps? if so, is this why the planet was associated with war by the likes of the Romans (Mars - the god of war), the Greeks (Ares - the god of war and the son of Zeus and Hera) and others?​

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Cast of a Roman statue from Hadrian's Villa, copied from a Greek original. Traditionally identified as Ares
As to the thousand year period of direct contact between the Lizards and humans, are we about to have a repeat performance?

Session 22 October 1994:

A: ... Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period". This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.

Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labour for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?

A: They do.

Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?

A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been travelling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time travelling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.


Hence, I would ask whether Prince Marduk (or a Lizard being like him) might represent the evil Star Wars-like emperor the C's were referring to? Afterall, the person of Marduk may be like other ancient deities who the C's said were Lizard fronts:
Q: (L) Who was or is Baal?

A: Lizard.

Q: (L) Beelzebub?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Were these actual names of individual Lizards?

A: No. Personifications.


The image above of a winged Lizard being certainly suggests a powerful, virile figure and probably fulfils most people's popular idea of a satanic, devil-like Lucifer being. Is there a reason why this is so? Is it a powerful, residual folk memory of a time when the Anunnaki gods ruled on Earth? Whatever the case, I certainly would not like to run into a figure like that depicted at the top of this post.

Could there be an emperor Lizard being who rules over the Lizards and Greys like Marduk or Anu was supposed to in Sumerian lore? The fact that there may have been a civil war between two factions of the Anunnaki suggests that they are factionalised requiring a strong tyrannical emperor figure to hold them together?
Q: (L) So they don't play nicely with each other unless they're overseen by a dictatorial being who commands their obedience. Is that it more or less?

A: Yes


Could the civil war between the Anunnaki have been remembered by the Greeks as the civil war between the gods of Olympus and the Titans or as the epic battles in the Kurukshetra War or the Mahabharata War of the Vedic texts, which marked the transition to the Kali Yuga?

thank you for this excellent summary. in fact, we should refer more to the session texts, as we tend to slowly forget them.
 
Following on with the theme of genetic experimentation, for those not aware, we should also bring the alleged alien/human experimental base at Dulce, New Mexico into the mix, where it is said horrific genetic experiments are carried out. See: Dulce Base - Wikipedia

Dulce Base is the subject of a conspiracy claiming that a jointly-operated human and alien underground facility exists under Archuleta Mesa on the Colorado–New Mexico border near the town of Dulce, New Mexico, in the United States. Claims of alien activity there first arose from Albuquerque businessman Paul Bennewitz.

Starting in 1979, Bennewitz became convinced he was intercepting electronic communications from alien spacecraft and installations outside of Albuquerque. By the 1980s he believed he had discovered a secret underground base near Dulce populated by grey aliens and humans. By 1983, Bennewitz's claims appeared in the popular press.

The story spread rapidly within the UFO community and by 1987, UFOlogist John Lear claimed he had independent confirmations of the base's existence.

In 1986, George Clinton Andrews discussed Dulce Base legends in his book Extra-Terrestrials Among Us. In 1988, the tabloid Weekly World News published a story entitled "UFO base found in New Mexico" which claimed that "diabolical invaders from another solar system have set up a secret underground base in the rugged mountains of northern New Mexico – so they can shanghai human guinea pigs for bizarre genetic experiments".

Political scientist Michael Barkun wrote that Cold War underground missile installations in the area gave superficial plausibility to the rumours, making the Dulce base story an "attractive legend" within UFOlogy. According to Barkun, claims about experiments on abductees and firefights between aliens and the Delta Force place the Dulce legend "well outside even the most far-fetched reports of secret underground bases."

All well and good then - it's just an urban myth. In other words "nothing to see here move on".

However, that is not the view the C's take:

Session 14 October 1995:
Q: (T) They're slaves. (L) Now, this leads me to a question that I have thought about asking on many occasions. In terms of finite numbers, how many of these STS aliens of any different group, or any combination of groups all together, do we have operating on this planet at the present time?

A: Specify.

Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet?

A: 300,000.

Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges?

A: 62,530.

Q: (L) How many grays?

A: 2,750,000.
[Notice that is more than the figure the C's gave in this 29th July 2023 session for the number of subterranean civilisation operatives working on the surface at present]

Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture! (J) No s**t. (L) Are most of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time? I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!

A: Back and forth.

Q: (J): Just like they said in the very beginning. (T) When you asked how many of them are here; in third density? (L) On the planet...

A: And others.

Q: (L) I didn't specify the density. Just in our immediate planetary area. (T) That's how many of them are working this project. (L) Now, I'm sure that there are... here, hand me this little booklet here. We have here some drawings of supposed alien servants. This one right here is called a Rigelian servant.
[The booklet says] It's a proto-synthezoid, in other words, a cyber-genetic. Is this an accurate representation of this being, and does this being actually exist?

A: Yes.


Q: (L) Well, that's friendly. (SV) Which one is that? [Looks at drawing.] Oooh, I don't want to see him... (L) Now, this one here... (T) Oh, lightning bolt man!. (L) Does this one actually exist? This mutative clone form?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) OK, this one here, this little Tah-hay being...

A: Yes.

Q: (T): ET! (L) OK, they said he was real? Yes. OK, now this one is a real pleasant looking fellow... [S'pth]

A: Yes. Occupies Dulce base.


It is a shame we do not have the pictures from the book (the Matrix Material) that Laura was referring to unless they have been posted elsewhere. Curiously, this is from the same session in which the C's confirmed that the Esseseni were new human/grey hybrids and the session where they spoke about soldiers either killed in action or missing in action being duplicated, with the soul being replaced into a new body, then "reprogrammed for service" to aliens and the Secret Government.

P.S. The C's may also have given a part answer to a question about how the aliens conscript souls of the recently dead before they have the opportunity to go into the light, as discussed in comments made on another recent session:​

Q: (L) OK, now this brings up the question about... We were told that there was, and this was... last week we asked about this thing about the death... and we were told that there was an impenetrable triple veil that prevents some of this "L.Ron Hubbard" type of activity, that he describes happening. How can this be reconciled? Well, the explanation that I see is that it happens that they do this before they go into the tunnel, into the light. They catch them in the transition before they go to 5D. Is that correct?

A: Time adjustment.

Q: (L) Does that mean that they know that they're going to, and they go back in just before they die, or just at the moment of death, or...???

A: Close.


Coming back to the Dulce base, I attach a link below to an article that looks at the claims and counterclaims over the base, including a video account by the infamous Phil Schneider, an engineer involved in the development of the base who claimed to have got involved in a firefight with the aliens in which 60 US troops were killed. Quoting from Schneider, who died in mysterious circumstance but whose death was ruled as a suicide:​

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New Mexico State Trooper Gabriel Valdez reporting a series of disturbing cattle mutilations, according to Michael Barkun’s A Culture of Conspiracy. Valdez claimed to have seen “sophisticated spacecraft” in the Dulce, New Mexico, skies near Where Dulce Base is said to lie — and to have found a mutilated cow with a dead fetus inside. This was no unborn calf, he claimed, and appeared to be a bizarre hybrid that “looked like a human, a monkey and a frog.”

"Each floor is said to be designated for specific research — from mind-control on human beings to genetic experiments resulting in alien-human hybrids. Some diagrams even claim that Grey and Reptilian aliens have their own housing, while employees allegedly claimed that the sixth floor — the so-called “Nightmare Hall” — was the most terrifying of all."
By May 1990, John Lear claimed to have garnered “four independent confirmations” that the seven-story structure was real. Lear was a former pilot and government man — as well as the son of the inventor of the LearJet — so people gave some credence to his claims.

When Laura once asked the C's about John Lear's validity as a UFO expert and insider they said:

Q: (L) What about John Lear?

A: Good but overcareful.


This suggests that he might be a valid source where the base at Dulce is concerned.


again, thank you for this recall of session texts
 
liao is just plain nonsense. co2 is not a problem...
To add some context to my posts, with Pasternak and Liao I just wanted to underline how possible undergrounders can be undistinguishable from modern humans. Even worse, one could think that they are very gifted, hard-working, and empathetic humans. Role models. Of course not stating that those gentlemen really ARE undergrounders. Just that we shouldn't take the weirdness of Middle Eastern immigrant as an apparent sign of not being human.
The case of Liao is a very interesting one. As you can see, he's in a position to define moral values for the masses and tame the population with the idea of genetic modifications as something inevitable. A moral obligation to correct the nature that everyone should undertake for the greater good. Hearing that kind of statements, you just can't believe that these people are of this world. And this very well may be the case :-)
As for CO2, I think that's the consent of the group here, that it has nothing to do with the climate. Tracking and counting CO2 levels and assuming ceteris paribus feels on the same level as flat earth theory.
 
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MJF asked Is this the same being as Quetzalcoatl the feathered Serpent god of the Aztecs?
" According to native tradition, Quetzalcoatl had been the wise and good ruler of Tollan, land of the Toltecs , in the Golden Age of Anahuac which may, possibly, have coincided with the Krita Golden Age of the Indian philosophies. He was said to have been a law-giver, teacher of the arts, and founder of a purified religion. In Cholula there stands the loftiest pyramid in Mexico- dedicated to Quetzalcoatl- a pyramid that even to the eyes of the Aztec conquerors was a seat of venerable sanctities. It has been stated that his cult was less sanguinary than that of other Aztec divinities and that he was antagonistic to human sacrifices. Such traditions suggest that he dated from a time before the Mexicans lapsed into their fearful blood-lusts. After deification he became known as a penance -inflicting god. He was describe as an old man, long bearded and clad in a long white robe. His name was formed from quetzal, designating the long, green tail plumes of the bird Pharomacrus mocinno and coatl meaning serpent. therefore " The Green Feathered Snake" . " This immediately places Quetzatcoatl into a group of celestial powers of whom the plumed serpent is a symbol among the Hopi and Zuni to the North as well as among the Andean peoples far to the south. The plumed serpent was also a symbol of the earliest Egyptian pharaohs, stemming from Osiris; And the serpent was the emblem of the angel-scientists of the An a-nan-na-ge in Kharsag Epics Sumerian Tablets. [ As translated and ed.by Christian and Joy O'Brien ]
The story has been narrated by Shagun, how Quetzalcoatl the aged and wise " priest- king " of Tollan, was driven thence by the magic and guile of Tezcatlipoca who displaced him. His departure from Mexico has a distinct air of sadness. Bernardino de Sahagun, in his book Historia de las cosas de la Nueva Espana, translated from Nahuatl originals, tells how Quetzalcoatl, chagrined and ailing left his kingdom for his ancient home of Tlapallan. There is much speculation by scholars over what, and where, Tlapallan was. An analysis of its syllabary in eme-ku may be of value: Tlapallan= til-a-pal [pa-al ]lan [m]
til= live, become old
pa-al [ sabra] = magician,sage
lan= bright, shining
Place of the Shining Sages [ who have become old]
or , alternatively,
[ Place where the Shining Sages live ]
In either case, the place is likely to have been the Astral Plane of the Spiritual regions. From Egypt, Atum, Ra and Geb, successively , retired from their posts in Ancient Egypt to some place where they could be recalled when required.
Quetzalcoatl travelled overland to the eastern sea; and from there, departed on his serpent-raft."
What about this guy as a candidate?

The above image is intended to be an artistic impression of Prince Marduk, the son of Enki. According to legend, Marduk is supposedly an Anunnaki prince who was involved in a civil war of the Anunnaki gods, which involved mankind. One of the key battlegrounds was supposed to have been the Great Pyramid at Giza, which had been deployed as a weapon system.

Here is what the C' said about the Mesopotamian Anunnaki gods who were first popularised as aliens by Zacharia Sitchin (a self-taught expert on Sumerian cuneiform text who got a lot of the details about the Anunnaki wrong):

Session 30 September 1994:
Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Where were they from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the fear, chaos and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.


In that same session the C's had earlier commented on the Lizard beings and their Grey alien cybergenetic robots:

Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?

A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?

A: Other.

Q: (L) What planet from?

A: Qaddeera.

Q: (L) What star system is that in?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings...

A: Cybergenetic.

Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they have souls?

A: They are Decoys.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?

A: Near.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?

A: Orions.


However, in that same session the C's advised that Enlil and Enki were in fact Cassiopaeans.
Q: (L) Who were Enlil and Enki, the Annunaki of Sumerian stories?

A: Great teachers.

Q: (L) Were they human or extraterrestrial?

A: Extraterrestrial.

Q: (L) Where did they come from?

A: Cassiopaea.


If we followed the Sumerian stories and Sitchin's logic this would lead to the uncomfortable conclusion that Enlil and Enki, as Cassiopaeans, were Lizard beings, which evidently cannot be right. Hence, it would seem the Sumerian legends, as depicted in the Enuma Elish, are a muddled remembrance of much earlier events involving the Lizard beings as noted by Laura:

20 The Annunaki are described by Z. Sitchin as the "sons of An," the Sumerian high God over all the other gods. He includes Enlil and Enki among them, though the facts may be somewhat confused. "Annunaku" was the Akkadian name for a group of gods of the underworld. They function as judges in the realm of the dead. Their counterparts are the Igigi (although in some texts the positions are reversed). The Annunaku show many similarities with the Sumerian Anunna. The Anunnaku are the offspring of Anu.

Curiously, although Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki came from a planet called Nibiru, the C''s put a completely different spin on that name:

Q: (L) I discovered the name Nibiru in a list of demonic names. What is the origin of this name?

A: Dark teacher.

T
he C's also confirmed that Sitchin had confused his planet Nibiru with the cluster of cycling comets.

There may be further confusion where the C's said the Kantekkians were rescued by the Lizard beings:
Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?

A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.


Do the C's mean the Lizards are the Anunnaki or the Kantekkians - the "Sons of Anak" or An/Anu? Elsewhere the C's have confirmed though that the Nephilim were those humanoid beings known as the "Sons" of God:​

Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: When were they brought here?

A: 9046 B.C. one reference.
[MJF: which you should note corresponds to the timeframe for the building of Göbekli Tepe, the Neolithic archaeological site in the South-eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey dated to between c. 9500 and 8000 BC]

Q: They were giants, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or "Sons" of God, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall...

A: Yes.

Q: You and the ancient literature say that these sons of god intermarried with human women, is that correct?

A: Yes.


As to the tale of the Enuma Elish, the C's said this about it: in the session dated 25 October 1994:

Q: (L) What is the Enuma Elish really about?

A: Ascent.

Q: (L) Ascent of what?

A: Gods.

Q: (L) What gods were these?

A: Lizards.


We know that at one period the Lizards co-existed with man (they still do underground - Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet? A: 300,000) but the above explanation of Enuma Elish seems to indicate that they abandoned Earth, perhaps at the time of the Deluge, when the environment on Earth radically changed.
Q: Who built the city of Mohenjo-Daro?

A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties into this directly look at illustrations on stones now.

Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
[MJF: Is this the same being as Quetzalcoatl, the feathered Serpent god of the Aztecs? The earliest depictions of the feathered serpent deity were fully zoomorphic, depicting the serpent as an actual snake.]

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Feathered Serpent head at the Ciudadela complex in Teotihuacan

Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?
A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.
]

A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.

Marduk is also connected to the planet Mars according to the C's, a planet that has for a long time been linked in mankind's consciousness with war:​

Q: (L) Marduk

A: Mars.


Could Marduk, representing the Lizards, have been responsible for, or connected with, the nuclear was on Mars perhaps? if so, is this why the planet was associated with war by the likes of the Romans (Mars - the god of war), the Greeks (Ares - the god of war and the son of Zeus and Hera) and others?​

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Cast of a Roman statue from Hadrian's Villa, copied from a Greek original. Traditionally identified as Ares
As to the thousand year period of direct contact between the Lizards and humans, are we about to have a repeat performance?

Session 22 October 1994:

A: ... Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period". This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.

Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labour for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?

A: They do.

Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?

A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been travelling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time travelling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.


Hence, I would ask whether Prince Marduk (or a Lizard being like him) might represent the evil Star Wars-like emperor the C's were referring to? Afterall, the person of Marduk may be like other ancient deities who the C's said were Lizard fronts:
Q: (L) Who was or is Baal?

A: Lizard.

Q: (L) Beelzebub?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Were these actual names of individual Lizards?

A: No. Personifications.


The image above of a winged Lizard being certainly suggests a powerful, virile figure and probably fulfils most people's popular idea of a satanic, devil-like Lucifer being. Is there a reason why this is so? Is it a powerful, residual folk memory of a time when the Anunnaki gods ruled on Earth? Whatever the case, I certainly would not like to run into a figure like that depicted at the top of this post.

Could there be an emperor Lizard being who rules over the Lizards and Greys like Marduk or Anu was supposed to in Sumerian lore? The fact that there may have been a civil war between two factions of the Anunnaki suggests that they are factionalised requiring a strong tyrannical emperor figure to hold them together?
Q: (L) So they don't play nicely with each other unless they're overseen by a dictatorial being who commands their obedience. Is that it more or less?

A: Yes


Could the civil war between the Anunnaki have been remembered by the Greeks as the civil war between the gods of Olympus and the Titans or as the epic battles in the Kurukshetra War or the Mahabharata War of the Vedic texts, which marked the transition to the Kali Yuga?

The Shining Ones- An account of the development of Early Civilizations by Christian and Barbara Joy O,Brien.
 
MJF asked Is this the same being as Quetzalcoatl the feathered Serpent god of the Aztecs?
" According to native tradition, Quetzalcoatl had been the wise and good ruler of Tollan, land of the Toltecs , in the Golden Age of Anahuac which may, possibly, have coincided with the Krita Golden Age of the Indian philosophies. He was said to have been a law-giver, teacher of the arts, and founder of a purified religion. In Cholula there stands the loftiest pyramid in Mexico- dedicated to Quetzalcoatl- a pyramid that even to the eyes of the Aztec conquerors was a seat of venerable sanctities. It has been stated that his cult was less sanguinary than that of other Aztec divinities and that he was antagonistic to human sacrifices. Such traditions suggest that he dated from a time before the Mexicans lapsed into their fearful blood-lusts. After deification he became known as a penance -inflicting god. He was describe as an old man, long bearded and clad in a long white robe. His name was formed from quetzal, designating the long, green tail plumes of the bird Pharomacrus mocinno and coatl meaning serpent. therefore " The Green Feathered Snake" . " This immediately places Quetzatcoatl into a group of celestial powers of whom the plumed serpent is a symbol among the Hopi and Zuni to the North as well as among the Andean peoples far to the south. The plumed serpent was also a symbol of the earliest Egyptian pharaohs, stemming from Osiris; And the serpent was the emblem of the angel-scientists of the An a-nan-na-ge in Kharsag Epics Sumerian Tablets. [ As translated and ed.by Christian and Joy O'Brien ]
The story has been narrated by Shagun, how Quetzalcoatl the aged and wise " priest- king " of Tollan, was driven thence by the magic and guile of Tezcatlipoca who displaced him. His departure from Mexico has a distinct air of sadness. Bernardino de Sahagun, in his book Historia de las cosas de la Nueva Espana, translated from Nahuatl originals, tells how Quetzalcoatl, chagrined and ailing left his kingdom for his ancient home of Tlapallan. There is much speculation by scholars over what, and where, Tlapallan was. An analysis of its syllabary in eme-ku may be of value: Tlapallan= til-a-pal [pa-al ]lan [m]
til= live, become old
pa-al [ sabra] = magician,sage
lan= bright, shining
Place of the Shining Sages [ who have become old]
or , alternatively,
[ Place where the Shining Sages live ]
In either case, the place is likely to have been the Astral Plane of the Spiritual regions. From Egypt, Atum, Ra and Geb, successively , retired from their posts in Ancient Egypt to some place where they could be recalled when required.
Quetzalcoatl travelled overland to the eastern sea; and from there, departed on his serpent-raft."


The Shining Ones- An account of the development of Early Civilizations by Christian and Barbara Joy O,Brien.
Thank you for providing a brief description of Quetzatcoatl. However, my query was based on who Coatzlmundi was, since this is the name the C's gave not Quetzatcoatl. You will note that in response Laura asks who is Coatzlmundi. I am only assuming that he is the same being as Quetzatcoatl, since "coatl" means serpent. The C's then told Laura that he is a deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants, which would therefore include the Aztecs as descendants of the red skinned race who had formerly occupied Atlantis. If you do a quick on-line search you will not find anything for the name Coatzlmundi (at least I couldn't).

If "coatl" means "serpent" then "mundi" in Latin is the genitive form or case of the word "mundus" meaning "world". Hence, "mundi" means "of the world". Thus, Coatzlmundi would appear to mean "serpent of the world" or "world serpent". Maybe the C's were trying to draw attention to the universality of this Lizard deity by referring to Coatzlmundi instead of Quetzatcoatl. That's my guess anyway.

Another possibility is that "mundi" could provide an interesting link to Mundi in India, which is a city in the Khandwa district of Nimar region in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. The city is over a thousand years old. Hence, it would, be contemporary with Teotihuacan in Mexico. This might suggest an indirect connection to India, as pointed out in the summary you provided:​
Quetzalcoatl had been the wise and good ruler of Tollan, land of the Toltecs, in the Golden Age of Anahuac which may, possibly, have coincided with the Krita Golden Age of the Indian philosophies
A number of alternative historians have in recent years made connections between Hindu deities and South American deities, suggesting there was some pre-Columban cross-fertilisation between the cultures, which can be seen in their statues, carvings, art work and beliefs.
 
ok, so, here is our new source of non farting meat??.

i would like to retreat my stupid statement. i wrote it after having been upset of the work of these frankenstein scientists. if we are concerned by some scientific experiments, then just do not do it. science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'ame...
 
What about this guy as a candidate?

The above image is intended to be an artistic impression of Prince Marduk, the son of Enki. According to legend, Marduk is supposedly an Anunnaki prince who was involved in a civil war of the Anunnaki gods, which involved mankind. One of the key battlegrounds was supposed to have been the Great Pyramid at Giza, which had been deployed as a weapon system.

Here is what the C' said about the Mesopotamian Anunnaki gods who were first popularised as aliens by Zacharia Sitchin (a self-taught expert on Sumerian cuneiform text who got a lot of the details about the Anunnaki wrong):

Session 30 September 1994:
Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?

A: Aliens.

Q: (L) Where were they from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the fear, chaos and so forth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?

A: Zeta Reticuli.


In that same session the C's had earlier commented on the Lizard beings and their Grey alien cybergenetic robots:

Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?

A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) Where do they come from: earth or another planet?

A: Other.

Q: (L) What planet from?

A: Qaddeera.

Q: (L) What star system is that in?

A: Zeta Reticuli.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings from Zeta Reticuli also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the little gray beings...

A: Cybergenetic.

Q: (L) Are they created by the lizards?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do they have souls?

A: They are Decoys.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies currently with us?

A: Near.

Q: (L) Are the Lizzies planning to take over our planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they planning on landing and doing this openly?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Do they utilize such things as possession by dark energy forms to effect their control?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What other groups are they in cahoots with?

A: Orions.


However, in that same session the C's advised that Enlil and Enki were in fact Cassiopaeans.
Q: (L) Who were Enlil and Enki, the Annunaki of Sumerian stories?

A: Great teachers.

Q: (L) Were they human or extraterrestrial?

A: Extraterrestrial.

Q: (L) Where did they come from?

A: Cassiopaea.


If we followed the Sumerian stories and Sitchin's logic this would lead to the uncomfortable conclusion that Enlil and Enki, as Cassiopaeans, were Lizard beings, which evidently cannot be right. Hence, it would seem the Sumerian legends, as depicted in the Enuma Elish, are a muddled remembrance of much earlier events involving the Lizard beings as noted by Laura:

20 The Annunaki are described by Z. Sitchin as the "sons of An," the Sumerian high God over all the other gods. He includes Enlil and Enki among them, though the facts may be somewhat confused. "Annunaku" was the Akkadian name for a group of gods of the underworld. They function as judges in the realm of the dead. Their counterparts are the Igigi (although in some texts the positions are reversed). The Annunaku show many similarities with the Sumerian Anunna. The Anunnaku are the offspring of Anu.

Curiously, although Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki came from a planet called Nibiru, the C''s put a completely different spin on that name:

Q: (L) I discovered the name Nibiru in a list of demonic names. What is the origin of this name?

A: Dark teacher.

T
he C's also confirmed that Sitchin had confused his planet Nibiru with the cluster of cycling comets.

There may be further confusion where the C's said the Kantekkians were rescued by the Lizard beings:
Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?

A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.


Do the C's mean the Lizards are the Anunnaki or the Kantekkians - the "Sons of Anak" or An/Anu? Elsewhere the C's have confirmed though that the Nephilim were those humanoid beings known as the "Sons" of God:​

Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: When were they brought here?

A: 9046 B.C. one reference.
[MJF: which you should note corresponds to the timeframe for the building of Göbekli Tepe, the Neolithic archaeological site in the South-eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey dated to between c. 9500 and 8000 BC]

Q: They were giants, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or "Sons" of God, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall...

A: Yes.

Q: You and the ancient literature say that these sons of god intermarried with human women, is that correct?

A: Yes.


As to the tale of the Enuma Elish, the C's said this about it: in the session dated 25 October 1994:

Q: (L) What is the Enuma Elish really about?

A: Ascent.

Q: (L) Ascent of what?

A: Gods.

Q: (L) What gods were these?

A: Lizards.


We know that at one period the Lizards co-existed with man (they still do underground - Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet? A: 300,000) but the above explanation of Enuma Elish seems to indicate that they abandoned Earth, perhaps at the time of the Deluge, when the environment on Earth radically changed.
Q: Who built the city of Mohenjo-Daro?

A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties into this directly look at illustrations on stones now.

Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
[MJF: Is this the same being as Quetzalcoatl, the feathered Serpent god of the Aztecs? The earliest depictions of the feathered serpent deity were fully zoomorphic, depicting the serpent as an actual snake.]

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Feathered Serpent head at the Ciudadela complex in Teotihuacan

Q: (L) And could you tell us what the Lizzies look like?
A: Upright alligators with some humanoid features in face.
]

A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.

Marduk is also connected to the planet Mars according to the C's, a planet that has for a long time been linked in mankind's consciousness with war:​

Q: (L) Marduk

A: Mars.


Could Marduk, representing the Lizards, have been responsible for, or connected with, the nuclear was on Mars perhaps? if so, is this why the planet was associated with war by the likes of the Romans (Mars - the god of war), the Greeks (Ares - the god of war and the son of Zeus and Hera) and others?​

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Cast of a Roman statue from Hadrian's Villa, copied from a Greek original. Traditionally identified as Ares
As to the thousand year period of direct contact between the Lizards and humans, are we about to have a repeat performance?

Session 22 October 1994:

A: ... Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period". This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.

Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labour for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?

A: They do.

Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?

A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been travelling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time travelling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.


Hence, I would ask whether Prince Marduk (or a Lizard being like him) might represent the evil Star Wars-like emperor the C's were referring to? Afterall, the person of Marduk may be like other ancient deities who the C's said were Lizard fronts:
Q: (L) Who was or is Baal?

A: Lizard.

Q: (L) Beelzebub?

A: Same.

Q: (L) Were these actual names of individual Lizards?

A: No. Personifications.


The image above of a winged Lizard being certainly suggests a powerful, virile figure and probably fulfils most people's popular idea of a satanic, devil-like Lucifer being. Is there a reason why this is so? Is it a powerful, residual folk memory of a time when the Anunnaki gods ruled on Earth? Whatever the case, I certainly would not like to run into a figure like that depicted at the top of this post.

Could there be an emperor Lizard being who rules over the Lizards and Greys like Marduk or Anu was supposed to in Sumerian lore? The fact that there may have been a civil war between two factions of the Anunnaki suggests that they are factionalised requiring a strong tyrannical emperor figure to hold them together?
Q: (L) So they don't play nicely with each other unless they're overseen by a dictatorial being who commands their obedience. Is that it more or less?

A: Yes


Could the civil war between the Anunnaki have been remembered by the Greeks as the civil war between the gods of Olympus and the Titans or as the epic battles in the Kurukshetra War or the Mahabharata War of the Vedic texts, which marked the transition to the Kali Yuga?
Some things that I’ve been through, I’m not yet ready to discuss publicly even in this open minded forum, but I’ve seen them. The rank and file reptilians are 8-10’ tall and look like an upright alligators with long tails (they have cutouts for them in their clothing lol), but their generals and royalty are 20-25’ tall with usable wings (and horns in males) and look like dragons. Maybe that’s where we get our myths about dragons from. They “bathe” by opening up their scales over a steam gaiser and need regular sessions of heating under some heat “lamps” like pet lizards. Once you see that grooming routine, the fear of them disappears.
 
Interview from 1997 with "Victor" on Art Bell:




Classic lie wrapped in truth here. Three pretty accurate statements, judging by what the Cs have shared and then '2. Beings are presenting themselves as a "test" to us, to see how we treat them..' i.e the aliens are benign, and just want to make sure the mean old humans will be nice to them before they disclose themselves fully....
 
Thank you so much for the fascinating session :flowers:
An emotional roller coaster ride with so much mind-blowing information interspersed with some humorous moments.

Regarding the question that if you tell your plans, they most likely won't come true. I have observed that whenever I tell my father about my plans, they almost never do work out. Especially the most important ones. It's interesting to see that there might be more to it than just my prejudice.

For days I have been hearing these similar phrases from different sources and I have been wary of telling others that I am working on what I want to do or planning. And now the Cass say it to my surprise as I was ignoring this transcript because I thought I had read it before.

There are plenty of "motivational" or "how to get to success" videos and about "what the rich do to get to success" and among that information full of materialistic desires and wishful thoughts, there is that phrase: "work in silence". But it is also present in the Stoic teachings as “the power of silence” and we observe the dynamics of this duality using the same tools, but with different approaches and separate paths, each side for its natural cosmic functions. What shows us that the problem is not asking, it is the way of doing it, the intention and the frequency that fluctuates with that request/help/demand/need. So it is not strange that it is difficult for a person who is a candidate for STO to access the source of “ask and it will be given” to request help in this environment and even more and I think it would be the most important thing, because of their own internal fluctuation due to lack of a firm anchorage to a particular frequency. You know, all the emotional labor and more.

Observing this "game" of predictions that if Cass predicts something then STS must change its plan because more than attracting people, this would indirectly "help" to anchor more people to this material and therefore to the increase of that anchoring energy that has been mentioned is required for graduation, in addition to the danger that entails for violating free will. But it is interesting how Cass says "you will have chills or wait and see" and on the other hand STS keeps us in a constant thought in anticipation of reality to also anchor that necessary energy for their actions in a probable future and in turn counteracting at the same time the knowledge that makes people aware to fork that probable future.

At an individual level it seems to work in a similar way because automatically our mind starts to work in "wishful thinking" mode, anticipated and in "reward" mode when carrying out a personal project not aligned with the genuine way of reaching that result by trying to “predict” through imagination and demand from the universe how we want that result to be, we close all the possibilities that would bring us closer to precisely that result/future, bifurcating it at least favorable or 0% probability.

Our "genuine" part or our "nature” or “the path that corresponds to us by lesson now" does not work or does not connect with any of the frequencies by self-sabotage due to that internal duality and we know that as closing the channels, closing the flow.

In a simpler and easier way to say it is that asking for economic stability from the universe if emotionally it is linked to the materialistic desire to be rich, would not be helpful because the STO frequency does not fulfill materialistic desires, It's not part of their reason for being. And if someone wants to venture by asking for it at the opposite frequency... well, there are enough movies and information about what it means to "sell your soul to the devil" and everything you should lose by allowing those frequencies to have total control over your life.

When the Cass say "You don't want to know!" I think it's also because due to our "monkey mentality" to our internal fluctuation, we fall into that temptation because in our lowest emotions, resentment, revenge, envy, wanting someone else to pay for what he did to us, etc. are present and you know, "the universe is open", "ask and it will be given" but if one is not clear internally, one doesn't know who can respond and the rebound effect that that has. We have already seen how some people who have appeared on the forum, arrive wanting to use more direct methods to contact those frequencies and at the same time wanting here that they were guided or with a false hope that they can get protection at the same time from them, which is nonsense.
 
Thank you for providing a brief description of Quetzatcoatl. However, my query was based on who Coatzlmundi was, since this is the name the C's gave not Quetzatcoatl. You will note that in response Laura asks who is Coatzlmundi. I am only assuming that he is the same being as Quetzatcoatl, since "coatl" means serpent. The C's then told Laura that he is a deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants, which would therefore include the Aztecs as descendants of the red skinned race who had formerly occupied Atlantis. If you do a quick on-line search you will not find anything for the name Coatzlmundi (at least I couldn't).

If "coatl" means "serpent" then "mundi" in Latin is the genitive form or case of the word "mundus" meaning "world". Hence, "mundi" means "of the world". Thus, Coatzlmundi would appear to mean "serpent of the world" or "world serpent". Maybe the C's were trying to draw attention to the universality of this Lizard deity by referring to Coatzlmundi instead of Quetzatcoatl. That's my guess anyway.

I think the C's are likely referring to a language we don't have a lexicon for. In Nahuatl (lingua franca of the Aztec Empire and still used in Mexico today) Coatl and Coatzl may not be the same thing. Quetzalcoatl is traditionally a liberator from human sacrifice and a "higher" being that flies in a rare world - like the Quetzal bird. Quetzalcoatl plays a similar role to Virachocha from South America in Meso America.

As @MJF mentioned, I too have looked for Coatzlmundi. It's not a word. It's a hybrid word combining Latin and Nahuatl. So I'd agree that this is likely a secret society term of some sort (meaning how it's used by some sort of humans today). But as Nahuatl and the Aztec Empire are the end of independent Mesoamerica cultures, I believe they inherited some sort of "Earth Serpent/Underground Serpent of hidden knowledge" concept from a previous society - that they built their empire on top of. See Teotihuacan most likely. I think the Inca likely did the same.

It's almost impossible to get any read on the bizarre world of Olmec, except from the C's. They don't give us language hints (I don't believe there is any discovered Olmec language). But they do give us the hint that their very weird art of "clefts" has markers of hybridization from 4D STS. Children of the were-jaguar (Olmec - not me):

WXM01-Xalapa-Museum-Las-Limas-Monument-1.jpg

Nothing is clearly working in this sculpture. The hybrid is dead and it's priest/parent/caretaker laments its death - as if he's failed. The whole thing is monstrous. You could transform the sculpture into a scene from Frankenstein and it would work. I think all the carved symbols and "words" into the body of the subject are there to make some sort of futile "magico-religious" ritual work better. But it didn't.

If the Olmec are what the Mayan's referred to as "rubber people" - maybe that refers to their obvious flexibility in statues or the fact they harvested latex from the trees and made the balls that created the games to the death of the old Mesoamerican world (which probably still manifests as Lacrosse in North America). It may also mean "Rubbery" in terms of their physical condition on this plane - meaning being able to go back and forth through dimensionality or densities.

Obviously I could be reading more into a term than their might be there. But I've found with Mayans is that every word has a double entendre. "Rubbery" could mean how a piece of chicken tastes, and it could also mean the way a certain person acts. It's all context. I also found that any Mayan conversation involves humour and pranks.

References to ancestors and family are sacred - until the one story comes out about the mistakes the certain ancestor made was a foolish game. Something similar exists in all cultures, but the way the Mayan language works is that it pulls forward the past into the present, like it's here now. It's hard to explain, but once you know the community, even half-assing English to Spanish to Mayan through four people - there's this sense that the past is just the right question to ask - and it's here now.

I don't think I articulate the linguistic aspects I've experienced in Quintana Roo or Campeche properly, but that was my best shot without getting deeper into Mayan language and Cosmology.

What I do think may be more accurate is that the Coatzlmundi is the Mayan concept of Itz'amna. The Wiki page says Itz'amna was a creator sky god - yet the original reading of it was "lizard house". From Wiki:

While there is no consensus on the exact meaning of the name Itzamná, it may be significant that itz is a root denoting all sorts of secretions (such as dew, sap, and semen) and also sorcery.

I'll agree with the above. Sounds a little Lizzie to me :-)

Here's a pic of my wife standing in Itz'amna's mouth in Chic'anna. The Chenes style very complex without the original red paint from 800 AD - so it's hard to make out. But if you look closely, the teeth are right over her head and there are two big serpent eyes on the edge. All the weird macaroni spirals are flowing up to the eyes as energy from the dead its eaten. Or at least that what was I told by the interpreter. "Found" in 1967.

Chicanna.jpg

Wiki pic with better resolution:

360px-Chicanna.jpg

You can see they even made teeth on the bottom (missing a few), so you'll really get eaten in a 3D sense. @stellar, if you want to see crazy, lost architecture - Chicanna won't disappoint ;-)
 
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