Session 6 December 2025

[palestine]

@MJF

Thank you for your post, I did not read it in its entirety. It is very interesting, thank you. One passage caught my attention:

Hence, is it really so surprising that the Assassins, drawing on the teachings of the Grand Lodge of the Ismailis in Cairo, should have a seven-fold chain of creation where a man (an initiate) could work through these grades as far as Universal Reason

The kind of "Universal reason" that this refers to, may be kind of corrupted ("assassinating people to reach reason")

Something seems really off, in this area of the occult

 

[panoptix]

You mention the Venetians in your post and link them with the Rosicrucians. I would be grateful if you could expound upon this link in more detail since most be people link the 17th century Rosicrucians with Germany and with Sir Francis Bacon and his followers in England and not necessarily with Venice.

It is referred in a few chapters of Schrödter's Die Geheimkünste der Rosenkreuzer (A Rosicrucian Notebook); I quote some of them:

This “Auto-Alchemical Processing” was first formulated in Charam ed Din by Sheikh Yachya, but must go back to the hermit Ben Chasi who was the “spiritual master” of Mohammed (570-632) and was of Indian origin!

This “autogenous training” is termed Ilm el Miftach (which means “The science of the key”) and those who practice it are called Beni el Miftach (or “Sons of the Key”). Closely related watchwords are, among others, “key,” “rose,” and “stone.” The “Science of the Key” was also called the “Science of the balance” by the Arabs, or “Ilm el Nizan.” There is also “Ilm el Quimiya,” or “The Science of Chemistry.” It is a time-honored heritage and makes its appearance in Venice around 900 A.D.

Venice has been acknowledged from of old as a home of occult arts and place of origin of the “Venetians” in Germany, to whom we owe the saying, “Germany is blind, Nuremberg sees with one eye, but Venice sees with both eyes.” This city of the Doges was said to have a “School of Magic” in the Middle Ages and even Pater Johann Adalbert Hahn (1750-1825), the wizard of the Ore Mountains (the Erzgebirge) in Saxony, called his hocus-pocus “artem venetianam!”

The Magistery of Rosicrucians distincts two types of Alchemy: Parergon and Ergon. In a word, the former is Daoism's wei-dan and the latter nei-dan. It is said that, once reached certain age, the body needs to restored its “chu's.” (The chu is the weight equivalent to one twenty-fourth part of a tael: The Chinese ounce, equivalent to 1½ avoirdupois ounces, close to about 5 grams.) Esoterically, the chu could be related to the Parable of the Talents in the New Testament.

In Atwood's A Suggestive Inquiry into Hermetic Mystery, she speaks about Ergon as the summum bonum of the Hermetic Art, the conscious transference toward a more sublime state of being. Therefore, it is essential to recognize those insidious interferences, such as sudden illnesses and negative synchronicities that arise during the process, “not as derogatory or casting a doubt at all upon the ultimate truths of Divine Science, but as obstacles rather contrary to it, as evil is is to good everywhere adverse.” So, it seems we need the Parergon: The Philosopher's Stone or Panacea.

Returning to the subject of your inquiry, Venice beyond being Tolkien's Dead Marshes is the cradle of optics and glass makers. This topic is very important in Alchemy and operative Hermetic:

A distinguished Dutch Theosophist and reputed Rosicrucian had this to say:

The vitality of the physical body is to be found in the etheric body. If the latter can be strengthened, health and a long life are obtained. And absorbing condensed ether is the most convenient way of achieving both.

Our experts have failed to make it to this very day and therefore imagine that the thing is impossible. However, the impossibilities of today are the realities of tomorrow. When Roger Bacon wrote in his Opus Major the prophecy that one day horseless carriages would travel more quickly than any other vehicle, he was thought to be a sorcerer and the Inquisition threw him into prison. When Sir Isaac Newton repeated the same prophecy several hundred years later, Voltaire made merry at his expense; but history has brilliantly justified the two first-named! This encourages me to say something about the elixir of long life, impossible as it may seem.

The ether is set in motion by the rays of the sun. Whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun’s rays by means of mirrors and lenses, can generate certain waves in the ether; and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis Essentialis (the essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of diseases! He will prove the truth of the old alchemical maxim: “Know then, the chief secret of the Art resides in fire!”

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In the second volume of his Occult Philosophy, the “demonic knight” takes a retrospective glance at the optical wonder of antiquity: “And I know how to make reciprocal glasses, in which the Sun shining, all things which were illustrated by the rays thereof are apparently seen many miles off.” Agrippa states this even more emphatically later on: “... especially in glasses. And I knew how to make by them wonderful things, in which anyone might see whatsoever he pleased at a long distance.” A precursor of the reflecting telescope of 1671 invented by Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1727)!
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The late captain (since 1512) of the Emperor Maximilian I (1493-1519), who was knighted for bravery on the field of battle against the Venetians, was anxious of course to employ this optical secret for military purposes: “Which art of declaring secrets is indeed very profitable for Towns, and Cities that are besieged, being a thing which Pythagoras (580-493 b.c.) long since did often do, and which is not unknown to some in these dayes, I will not except myself."

Enough quotes for now. Let see a video about glass making in Venice, Italy:

The Venetians are though normally linked to what is known as the 'Black Nobility' families that came to dominate Western Europe and especially banking and finance - for more see: Who are The Black Nobility?.

You may find interesting the books of Paul H. Koch:

• La Historia Oculta del Mundo: De la prehistoria al terrorismo internacional [The Hidden History of the World: From Prehistory to International Terrorism]
• Illuminati: Los secretos de la secta más temida por la iglesia católica [Illuminati: The secrets of the sect most feared by the Catholic Church]

(Catch-22: I have my both paper copies of the books but I coudn't verify if the second link is a complete and correct facsimile of the latter one.)

@Possibility of Being you might be interested: Koch is a huge fan (acolyte?) of John Baines and he never referrers to him as Dario Salas Sommer. From the book flap of the second book: “He was born in Hamburg in 1953. He holds a doctorate in Humanities, History, and Social Sciences, and is a renowned specialist in group dynamics and the organization of societies. He has worked as a consultant and private analyst in crisis management for various organizations in Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Canada, among other countries. He currently lives and works in Vienna.” Curiously, AFAIK, his books are only available in Spanish, being published by Planeta printing house.

My own understanding is that the city of Venice was originally established by wealthy families who fled from Rome upon the approach of Atilla the Hun and his hordes. They reasoned that Atilla would have no interest in what was marshy swamp land and this was therefore a good refuge place from which the city state of Venice would eventually emerge. The question is, how Roman were these wealthy families who sought refuge in Venice? By the time of Atilla the Hun, much of Rome was inhabited by people who were descended from freed slaves. A good proportion of these were Assyrians who were in turn descendants of the ancient Babylonians who were renowned historically for their commercial and banking acumen - see, for example, David Astle's ground breaking book The Babylonian Woe - The Babylonian Woe: Amazon.co.uk: Astle, David: 9781910220238: Books. Astle's book delves into the history of money, examining how monetary systems have shaped societies from ancient Babylon through various civilisations, including Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Astle argues that these systems have often been manipulated by powerful entities to control economic life and influence political authority.

In the film “El Robo del Siglo,” the mastermind of the robbery plan asked his analyst: “If you start thinking about the most important men in history, the most powerful families, you'll always find something dark, something sinister to hide. As if they understood that to have one foot outside the system, they first had to 'get their hands dirty.' [Bertolt] Brecht asked himself: 'What is worse, to rob a bank or to found one?'” and Honoré de Balzac may answer: “Behind every great fortune, there is always a crime.”