Session 6 December 2025

[palestine]

@MJF

Thank you for your post, I did not read it in its entirety. It is very interesting, thank you. One passage caught my attention:

Hence, is it really so surprising that the Assassins, drawing on the teachings of the Grand Lodge of the Ismailis in Cairo, should have a seven-fold chain of creation where a man (an initiate) could work through these grades as far as Universal Reason

The kind of "Universal reason" that this refers to, may be kind of corrupted ("assassinating people to reach reason")

Something seems really off, in this area of the occult

 

[panoptix]

You mention the Venetians in your post and link them with the Rosicrucians. I would be grateful if you could expound upon this link in more detail since most be people link the 17th century Rosicrucians with Germany and with Sir Francis Bacon and his followers in England and not necessarily with Venice.

It is referred in a few chapters of Schrödter's Die Geheimkünste der Rosenkreuzer (A Rosicrucian Notebook); I quote some of them:

This “Auto-Alchemical Processing” was first formulated in Charam ed Din by Sheikh Yachya, but must go back to the hermit Ben Chasi who was the “spiritual master” of Mohammed (570-632) and was of Indian origin!

This “autogenous training” is termed Ilm el Miftach (which means “The science of the key”) and those who practice it are called Beni el Miftach (or “Sons of the Key”). Closely related watchwords are, among others, “key,” “rose,” and “stone.” The “Science of the Key” was also called the “Science of the balance” by the Arabs, or “Ilm el Nizan.” There is also “Ilm el Quimiya,” or “The Science of Chemistry.” It is a time-honored heritage and makes its appearance in Venice around 900 A.D.

Venice has been acknowledged from of old as a home of occult arts and place of origin of the “Venetians” in Germany, to whom we owe the saying, “Germany is blind, Nuremberg sees with one eye, but Venice sees with both eyes.” This city of the Doges was said to have a “School of Magic” in the Middle Ages and even Pater Johann Adalbert Hahn (1750-1825), the wizard of the Ore Mountains (the Erzgebirge) in Saxony, called his hocus-pocus “artem venetianam!”

The Magistery of Rosicrucians distincts two types of Alchemy: Parergon and Ergon. In a word, the former is Daoism's wei-dan and the latter nei-dan. It is said that, once reached certain age, the body needs to restored its “chu's.” (The chu is the weight equivalent to one twenty-fourth part of a tael: The Chinese ounce, equivalent to 1½ avoirdupois ounces, close to about 5 grams.) Esoterically, the chu could be related to the Parable of the Talents in the New Testament.

In Atwood's A Suggestive Inquiry into Hermetic Mystery, she speaks about Ergon as the summum bonum of the Hermetic Art, the conscious transference toward a more sublime state of being. Therefore, it is essential to recognize those insidious interferences, such as sudden illnesses and negative synchronicities that arise during the process, “not as derogatory or casting a doubt at all upon the ultimate truths of Divine Science, but as obstacles rather contrary to it, as evil is is to good everywhere adverse.” So, it seems we need the Parergon: The Philosopher's Stone or Panacea.

Returning to the subject of your inquiry, Venice beyond being Tolkien's Dead Marshes is the cradle of optics and glass makers. This topic is very important in Alchemy and operative Hermetic:

A distinguished Dutch Theosophist and reputed Rosicrucian had this to say:

The vitality of the physical body is to be found in the etheric body. If the latter can be strengthened, health and a long life are obtained. And absorbing condensed ether is the most convenient way of achieving both.

Our experts have failed to make it to this very day and therefore imagine that the thing is impossible. However, the impossibilities of today are the realities of tomorrow. When Roger Bacon wrote in his Opus Major the prophecy that one day horseless carriages would travel more quickly than any other vehicle, he was thought to be a sorcerer and the Inquisition threw him into prison. When Sir Isaac Newton repeated the same prophecy several hundred years later, Voltaire made merry at his expense; but history has brilliantly justified the two first-named! This encourages me to say something about the elixir of long life, impossible as it may seem.

The ether is set in motion by the rays of the sun. Whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun’s rays by means of mirrors and lenses, can generate certain waves in the ether; and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis Essentialis (the essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of diseases! He will prove the truth of the old alchemical maxim: “Know then, the chief secret of the Art resides in fire!”

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In the second volume of his Occult Philosophy, the “demonic knight” takes a retrospective glance at the optical wonder of antiquity: “And I know how to make reciprocal glasses, in which the Sun shining, all things which were illustrated by the rays thereof are apparently seen many miles off.” Agrippa states this even more emphatically later on: “... especially in glasses. And I knew how to make by them wonderful things, in which anyone might see whatsoever he pleased at a long distance.” A precursor of the reflecting telescope of 1671 invented by Sir Isaac Newton (1643-1727)!
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The late captain (since 1512) of the Emperor Maximilian I (1493-1519), who was knighted for bravery on the field of battle against the Venetians, was anxious of course to employ this optical secret for military purposes: “Which art of declaring secrets is indeed very profitable for Towns, and Cities that are besieged, being a thing which Pythagoras (580-493 b.c.) long since did often do, and which is not unknown to some in these dayes, I will not except myself."

Enough quotes for now. Let see a video about glass making in Venice, Italy:

The Venetians are though normally linked to what is known as the 'Black Nobility' families that came to dominate Western Europe and especially banking and finance - for more see: Who are The Black Nobility?.

You may find interesting the books of Paul H. Koch:

• La Historia Oculta del Mundo: De la prehistoria al terrorismo internacional [The Hidden History of the World: From Prehistory to International Terrorism]
• Illuminati: Los secretos de la secta más temida por la iglesia católica [Illuminati: The secrets of the sect most feared by the Catholic Church]

(Catch-22: I have my both paper copies of the books but I coudn't verify if the second link is a complete and correct facsimile of the latter one.)

@Possibility of Being you might be interested: Koch is a huge fan (acolyte?) of John Baines and he never referrers to him as Dario Salas Sommer. From the book flap of the second book: “He was born in Hamburg in 1953. He holds a doctorate in Humanities, History, and Social Sciences, and is a renowned specialist in group dynamics and the organization of societies. He has worked as a consultant and private analyst in crisis management for various organizations in Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Canada, among other countries. He currently lives and works in Vienna.” Curiously, AFAIK, his books are only available in Spanish, being published by Planeta printing house.

My own understanding is that the city of Venice was originally established by wealthy families who fled from Rome upon the approach of Atilla the Hun and his hordes. They reasoned that Atilla would have no interest in what was marshy swamp land and this was therefore a good refuge place from which the city state of Venice would eventually emerge. The question is, how Roman were these wealthy families who sought refuge in Venice? By the time of Atilla the Hun, much of Rome was inhabited by people who were descended from freed slaves. A good proportion of these were Assyrians who were in turn descendants of the ancient Babylonians who were renowned historically for their commercial and banking acumen - see, for example, David Astle's ground breaking book The Babylonian Woe - The Babylonian Woe: Amazon.co.uk: Astle, David: 9781910220238: Books. Astle's book delves into the history of money, examining how monetary systems have shaped societies from ancient Babylon through various civilisations, including Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Astle argues that these systems have often been manipulated by powerful entities to control economic life and influence political authority.

In the film “El Robo del Siglo,” the mastermind of the robbery plan asked his analyst: “If you start thinking about the most important men in history, the most powerful families, you'll always find something dark, something sinister to hide. As if they understood that to have one foot outside the system, they first had to 'get their hands dirty.' [Bertolt] Brecht asked himself: 'What is worse, to rob a bank or to found one?'” and Honoré de Balzac may answer: “Behind every great fortune, there is always a crime.”

 

[MJF]

It's mysterious to me too. In the West, especially in recent times, we have developed a fairly good idea as to how "eyes wide shut" activities take place. Back in the 90s, the Dutroux scandal in Belgium exposed the entire upper echelon of those in govt, media, the judicial system, police, the royal family, the wider aristocracy, secret societies, intelligence agencies (domestic and foreign), bankers, EU apparatchiks, etc.

'Scandal exposure' has since seen the pattern repeated in countless Western countries. And that's the just the really extreme 'sacrificial' stuff. This 'pan-Western deep state', pretty much, no longer operates from the shadows, regularly intervening in national and international affairs to publicly assassinate people, start and fuel wars, move mountains to obstruct and publicly humiliate Trump and other leaders, manipulate weather (in order to maximize terror and damage, the opposite of Chinese policy on that score), 'send messages' to leaders via terror attacks, conduct brazen 'pandemics', rig elections, etc.

In China, ostensibly, the CCP is all-powerful, and, today, the Chairman, Xi Jinping, is a particularly powerful head of the CCP. Corrupt party officials and billionaires who stray into 'unwanted' politics are ostracized, jailed, and even executed in China.

How does a perverse death cult "above the government" work in China? We'd have to get an idea of the extent of secret societies in China, and which institutions (government and/or private) they're known, or suspected, to work through. I guess a starting point is the 'Triads' organized crime syndicate? However, I'd have imagined the CCP has long since infiltrated those, not the other way around.


They, or some clique within the CCP, could well be, but you're assuming that their 'complicity in the cover-up' implies participation and guilt. Is the Trump White House "neck deep involved" in the New Jersey 'UFO-drones', the L.A. 'wildfires', the assassination of Kirk, the mass shootings, the Epstein blackmail/pedo-ring scandal? No, but they're doing their damnedest to keep a lid on information about them from coming out.

Wouldn't Trump exposing the CIA death cult for all its crimes, past and present, make him and MAGA look good in the eyes of the population? But we know he doesn't because he can't. Similarly, maybe the problem is that the CCP isn't as powerful as we assumed it is?

This, for me, is the mystery. What secret societies?! What does a 'deep state' in China look like?

And, if it, or they, are "above the government," do they intermingle with, and maybe even 'interbreed with', the transnational elite we know sits atop the Western world? Or is it, more or less, 'just Chinese' and simply 'does sacrificial stuff' because that's what STS-loving elitist pervs are programmed to do the world over?

Also, does this network stray beyond 'following a sacrificial calendar' and meddle in Chinese government policy? Is this influence significant? What might that mean for the (outwardly-appearing) titanic clash of 'US as STS HQ forever' vs 'multipolarity'?

Maybe a starting point is to get an overview of Chinese netizens' most popular conspiracy theories? How do they 'see the unseen'?

It seems China certainly did have its own home-grown secret societies before the communists took over under Chairman Mao's leadership and cracked down on secret societies. One Chinese esoteric, secret brotherhood was the Tiandihui, which had its own initiation rituals like Freemasonry. It seems that after the communist victory, this society was left only with its criminal activities, which had originally co-existed with other activities, including overt political activities. It seems to have been very much a grass roots society or movement operating at village level at its inception. For more on this see: In Search of China’s Secret Societies. 6. The Once and Future Secret Society

The mention of criminal activities above makes me think though of the secret Chinese Triad organised crime groups or syndicates, which originated from Chinese secret societies formed in the 18th and 19th centuries such as the Tiandihui. Since the modern reform and opening up period, triads and other triad-like "black societies" have re-emerged in mainland China. In modern times, triads overseas have been reported to have connections to the Chinese government. This makes me wonder whether the triads may exert some influence behind the scenes in the way in which the Yakuza crime syndicates have supposedly done in Japan, where they are known to have been actively involved in the Japanese real estate market and banking sector alongside their more traditional criminal activities such as fraud, protection rackets and drug and people trafficking. It is rumoured that the Yakuza exerted a nefarious influence over post-war Japanese governments, particularly where financial policy planning was concerned. However, the Yakuza are at this time in steep decline with their numbers dwindling and their membership aging, so, even if they once had some influence over Japanese governments, this is much less likely to be the case today. One can legitimately ask though whether Chinese Triad syndicates, as the modern heirs of former Chinese secret societies, exercise any influence over the Chinese government's policies today in the same way that the Yakuza reputedly did in Japan?

Then there are shadowy (if perhaps mythical) groups such as the Chinese 'Green Dragon Society'. Quoting selectively from an article by Richard Spence Behold the Green Dragon: The Myth & Reality of an Asian Secret Society:
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One such entity is the quasi-mythical Green Dragon Society (GDS), also known as the Order of the Green Dragon or simply the Green Dragon. It most often is mentioned as a Japanese secret society, but that is not necessarily the whole story. Other evidence, or at least allegation, argues that its true origins lay in China or Tibet and that its influence extended to the power centres of Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany. Historical figures from the Emperor Hirohito, to Adolf Hitler to Rasputin have been tied to the Green Dragon, legitimately or not.

In his 1989 book The Unknown Hitler, Wulf Schwarzwaller claims that Karl Haushofer* was a master of various Eastern mystical traditions and “had familiarised himself with the Zen teachings of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.” More recent sources emphasise the Green Dragon’s intimate association with Zen, specifically its Soto branch, and claim that the “Green Dragon has had a tradition of secret propagation,” whatever that means.

*MJF: Professor Karl Haushofer was one of Hitler’s spiritual mentors being a leading German geo-political strategists and mystic and almost certainly a member of the German Thule Society who many think was the midwife to the Nazi Party and sponsor of Adolf Hitler. Hitler's connection to Haushofer stemmed from the fact that he had been Deputy Fuhrer's Rudolf Hess's university lecturer. Haushofer would seem to have had links with Rosicrucianism and may have been the guiding light behind Hess's ill fated peace mission to Britain during the Second World War (as discussed in the transcripts). Trevor Ravenscroft in his 1973 book The Spear of Destiny firmly connected the Green Dragon Society to Karl Haushofer claiming that he “gained… extraordinary gifts through membership of the Green Dragon Society of Japan in which the mastery of the Time Organism and the control of the life forces in the human body is the central aim of ascending degrees of initiation.”

The Buddhist connection may offer some important clues. Buddhism originated in India and spread to Tibet and China, and from there to Japan. Zen (Cha’an) doctrine also had its roots in China. One of the most revered Buddhist “saints” in Japan is Kukai, an 8th-9th century mystic who spent years studying in China. Interestingly, his main place of enlightenment was the Green Dragon Temple in Xian where he was trained in occult, tantric traditions originating in Tibet. Returning to Japan, Kukai incorporated these into his version of True Land (Shingon) Buddhism. The problem is that Shingon was and is quite distinct from Zen, so which, if either, is connected to the Green Dragon?

To further complicate the picture, there are numerous references to a Chinese Green Dragon Society. Most are linked to the martial arts. Green Dragon kung fu societies are active throughout the world, but most appear to be of fairly recent origin. Oddly enough, during the 1960s, the Chicago-based Green Dragon Society was locked in a bitter feud with the rival Black Dragon Society! One version of the Chinese Green Dragon’s history pegs it as a Taoist secret society formed in response to the 17th century persecutions launched by the Jesuit-influenced Emperor Kiang Hsi. According to this, the secret society emerged from the Pure Thought Mystical School of Tao, and along with an implacable hatred for the Manchu Dynasty, it remained dedicated to the “practice of Taoist Alchemy and Immortalist Techniques.” That sounds a bit like what Ravenscroft described. The Green Dragon also reputedly operated under numerous aliases and disguises. A secretive and even sinister Green Dragon Society also shows up in at least two martial arts films: ‘The Deadly Sword’ (1978) and ‘Seven Promises’ (1980). Finally, a Green Society or Green Gang was (and arguably still is) a major force in the Chinese underworld.

So, could there be two Green Dragon Society’s, one Japanese and Buddhist and the other Chinese and Taoist? This much seems clear: the inter-pollination of Chinese and Japanese Buddhism, and the sects and secret societies they spawned, is centuries old. Within that context, just about anything is possible.​

See: Behold the Green Dragon: The Myth & Reality of an Asian Secret Society

 

[Sindy-S.R]

It seems China certainly did have its own home-grown secret societies before the communists took over under Chairman Mao's leadership and cracked down on secret societies. One Chinese esoteric, secret brotherhood was the Tiandihui, which had its own initiation rituals like Freemasonry. It seems that after the communist victory, this society was left only with its criminal activities, which had originally co-existed with other activities, including overt political activities. It seems to have been very much a grass roots society or movement operating at village level at its inception. For more on this see: In Search of China’s Secret Societies. 6. The Once and Future Secret Society

The mention of criminal activities above makes me think though of the secret Chinese Triad organised crime groups or syndicates, which originated from Chinese secret societies formed in the 18th and 19th centuries such as the Tiandihui. Since the modern reform and opening up period, triads and other triad-like "black societies" have re-emerged in mainland China. In modern times, triads overseas have been reported to have connections to the Chinese government. This makes me wonder whether the triads may exert some influence behind the scenes in the way in which the Yakuza crime syndicates have supposedly done in Japan, where they are known to have been actively involved in the Japanese real estate market and banking sector alongside their more traditional criminal activities such as fraud, protection rackets and drug and people trafficking. It is rumoured that the Yakuza exerted a nefarious influence over post-war Japanese governments, particularly where financial policy planning was concerned. However, the Yakuza are at this time in steep decline with their numbers dwindling and their membership aging, so, even if they once had some influence over Japanese governments, this is much less likely to be the case today. One can legitimately ask though whether Chinese Triad syndicates, as the modern heirs of former Chinese secret societies, exercise any influence over the Chinese government's policies today in the same way that the Yakuza reputedly did in Japan?

Then there are shadowy (if perhaps mythical) groups such as the Chinese 'Green Dragon Society'. Quoting selectively from an article by Richard Spence Behold the Green Dragon: The Myth & Reality of an Asian Secret Society:
​

See: Behold the Green Dragon: The Myth & Reality of an Asian Secret Society

In reference to Tibet, this reminds me of what @Laura wrote and I read about 15 years ago.

Darkness Over Tibet – Part 1

Spring, 2002: As I write the Adventures With Cassiopaea Series and its supplements, readers are busy sending their feedback and the Quantum Future School continues to assess and analyze our observa…

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Darkness Over Tibet – Part 2

Now, back to Darkness Over Tibet: The reader who sent the book to me was most impressed by its description of the Hidden City of the “Secret Masters of the World.” I have to admit that …

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Darkness Over Tibet – Part 3

Illion’s descriptions of the society in the Underground City were fascinating. He said that sex was not allowed there except when permitted by the ruler, the object being that sexual energy w…

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And this factor must be considered...

Session 4 May 2002​

Q: (Laughter from all) (L) I want to ask about this book I was reading about this guy - T. Illion who traveled to Tibet and found this underground city and interacted with these strange beings, was this an actual trip this guy made in a traditional 3rd density sense?

A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual nature as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.

Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?

A: No.

Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness and used a story to convey it. (L) Did he travel anywhere?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did he travel somewhere else and get this information and then accurately portray it as being centered in Tibet?

A: Yes.

Q: (B) Were his travels in 3rd density?

A: Yes.

Q: (B) Is it important where he traveled?

A: Yes.

Q: (B) Well you know what the next question is (laughter). What would be his destination? Where did he travel?

A: Siberia.

Q: (B) Does it have anything to do with the spot in Siberia or Russian mountains that has the electromagnetic labs or whatever it was that they were discussing before?

A: Close.

 

[Niall]

It seems China certainly did have its own home-grown secret societies before the communists took over under Chairman Mao's leadership and cracked down on secret societies.

The bolded part is the problem. How does a network that's been "cracked down on" find itself "above the government" 75 years later?

In the West we have a large body of literature on the blending of organized crime, elite/establishment satanic interests and 'the intelligence community'.

Where is that for China?

Who are the illuminati families in China? The Cs won't tell us that, but they have suggested freemasonry is one 'feeder' organization. From there we can assume that they would be super-rich, in banking/trade, and thus 'hide among' such a milieu.

How does a Chinese 'illuminati' meet with or interact with one of his/her 'brethren' in the rest of the world? Are they members of the CCP? Do they have 'special access' such that the usual injunction in China against private citizens and corporate interests wielding influence over, or outside of, the CCP is 'by-passed'?

Q: Where do the Illuminati live?

A: All over the planet. But there are a very limited number of them.

Q: (Andromeda) Like how many? [laughter]

(L) Yeah, like how many?

(Andromeda) Rough estimate?

A: Less than 3300.

Q: (L) Why are there so few of them?

A: They keep their genes strictly to themselves. As a result, inbreeding has led to a decline in their numbers.

I suppose the simplest explanation is that the CCP is, itself, China's 'secret society'. The party is the second-largest political organization in the world (after India's BJP), and is extremely secretive about its membership and funding, so we can imagine that a subversive 'sect' of 'Marxist-Leninists' operates within it, one which Xi Jinping's anti-corruption purges cannot touch - and thus it can exercise power from 'above' him.