Show #57: Vladimir Putin: 'Dictatorial Thug' or Anti-Imperialist Stalwart?

[Aithin Tusa Fein]

I have been following the line of Putin for some time now. What we see here is a striking similarities between Putin and Julius Caesar; the way he lived in poverty as a child, the way he made his way to get to the top and how he managed to secure his position there in extremely hostile and complicated situation, the way he has been successfully working to rebuilt the country from the ashes, ruled by puppet oligarchs controlled by the ‘West’, in every aspect, political, economical, social, cultural, military, and how much he managed to accomplish in just 10 years time, the way he acts firm, when he feels it is needed and generously, when situation allows. The way he understands people's psychology and his wisdom in dealing with them, not looking for the revenge but for the benefit of the country and its people. The way he cares for people of other countries (like Syria). The way he is popular and supported by common people. The way he conducts himself.

Most importantly, the way he teaches the world the TRUTH about the world we live in through technical devices. Russia seems to be the perfect country, if not the only powerful enough country that can attempt to oppose 'The system'. Putin is doing it and he is doing it right. He seems to be well prepared and secured in every aspect. He once said something like: “We are on the side of the truth, we will win”.

What appears in my mind is that there is a good possibility, that what we witness here is the “Return of Christ”. Perhaps?

I would be cautious in this line of thought, because the same could be said about Hitler prior to 1939, and he was also looked at as a savior of sorts.

 

[Yozilla]

I would be cautious in this line of thought, because the same could be said about Hitler prior to 1939, and he was also looked at as a savior of sorts.

Well considering Hitler, all what we "know" about him is only what winners filtered to us - all the same winners that forged ancient history; so why wouldn't they do the same to recent history also.

We are conditioned to regard Hitler as absolute demon - as we were obliged to believe in Jesus the redeemer of all. Deeming opposite of both is considered as blasphemy. The principles of manipulation are the same - only odds are opposite ... interesting.

Laura shed all new light on J.C. and i am reading some "new" facts about A.H. And that is called "Black Sun Rising" which reminds me of Brown Dwarf Emerging. There is written about "Sun God coming with snakes ascending - and on Sott there are numerous news of adders emerging all over. Creepy and thrilling!

What a denouement!

y

 

[Gary]

Thanks Joe and Kniall for a very informative show! :) It is great how you join the geo-political dots, which helps others to understand the bigger picture.

I watched some of Putin's speech yesterday. What he said (and perhaps couldn't say), emphasising history and present day facts and intentions; how he spoke with great poise and understated conviction - reminded me in a sense of JFK.

Perhaps after biding his time for an appropriate opportunity (being strategic as we term it) he has truly drawn a significant 'line in the sand' now between the 'American empire' and Russia (representing Syria etc - countries who honour their sovereignty - even in a symbolic sense). Using a chess analogy, Putin has made a bold offensive move - with his White knight perhaps :)

It makes me wonder what 'event' (natural or staged), will force other countries - especially China - to 'make their move' - and what piece they will use. I feel it won't be too long until we find out. Interesting times indeed.

Thanks again guys.

 

[loreta]

Russians have always been in my eyes a very courageous people and their sufferance is an example for everyone. Remember that JFK was aware of this sufferance of Russians, he was always saying how they suffered and he had the courage to contact with Nikita Khrushchev in a historical moment when Russians were the Devil.

 

[luc]

I have been following the line of Putin for some time now. What we see here is a striking similarities between Putin and Julius Caesar; the way he lived in poverty as a child, the way he made his way to get to the top and how he managed to secure his position there in extremely hostile and complicated situation, the way he has been successfully working to rebuilt the country from the ashes, ruled by puppet oligarchs controlled by the ‘West’, in every aspect, political, economical, social, cultural, military, and how much he managed to accomplish in just 10 years time, the way he acts firm, when he feels it is needed and generously, when situation allows. The way he understands people's psychology and his wisdom in dealing with them, not looking for the revenge but for the benefit of the country and its people. The way he cares for people of other countries (like Syria). The way he is popular and supported by common people. The way he conducts himself.

Most importantly, the way he teaches the world the TRUTH about the world we live in through technical devices. Russia seems to be the perfect country, if not the only powerful enough country that can attempt to oppose 'The system'. Putin is doing it and he is doing it right. He seems to be well prepared and secured in every aspect. He once said something like: “We are on the side of the truth, we will win”.

What appears in my mind is that there is a good possibility, that what we witness here is the “Return of Christ”. Perhaps?

I would be cautious in this line of thought, because the same could be said about Hitler prior to 1939, and he was also looked at as a savior of sorts.

I would be cautious too in this line of thought. Maybe there is more of a similarity to JFK, as loreta said, in the sense that at the current time, Putin could be an inspiration for many, representing hope that there's something in us humans that can make us strong if we align ourselves with truth/the creative force. But he is no savior, as there will never be a savior. The work, we must do for ourselves, which includes conscious suffering, the courage to face our own demons, doing our best in our own environment to act in favor of our destiny even when it hurts etc. No "Christ" will ever come, do the work for us, battle all evil and bring us back to paradise. I think it's important to keep that in mind, even if we can and should praise or even admire someone like Putin for what he does and for what he stands for at the moment. Fwiw.

 

[Michal]

I like what You said luc because it is also my belief. I do not think that anyone can do something for us if we do not do for ourselves.

I do not like to have authorities, I do not feel comfortable with believing something somebody. (But I do it of course... ). With my beliefs important is that they need to face the reality. Whether they are existing on facts or just a priori.

Same with Putin. I liked his stance but I do not want to put him in place of authority for myself. I like to observe him more and remember what he is / was doing. Making "gods" of anyone I believe may be really dangerous.
The halo effect.

 

[Michal]

Hi Possibility of Being. Thanks for link. Very interesting. That is what I long for - having view on situation from different sided. Maximum objectivity. True media. Thanks God for SOTT and for this FORUM!

Hi Lux and Kasia, Yeap. I feel like a stranger sometimes among my friends and colleagues in Poland too. It is not only related to Poland thou. It is in general - being estranged for what I try to do, for what I already know, for what I search for.

It is really so sad that our national prejudices in Poland are driving us into warlike situations while just a moment of reflection and consideration of facts could be so revealing. I think it is not only us Poles but this readiness to die for own beliefs is general. Maybe I am exaggerating but sometimes I feel that people are more ready to die for their beliefs then to change them instead - based on facts of course. Religious behaviour... reluctance to facts if they do not fit what we believe.
Is that one of the causes that we were in general taught and prized for believing for not questioning: church, school, parents etc......??? And when new facts are coming our belief system is basically behaving in protecting itself like to change it means to kill it....

 

[ella]

I have been following the line of Putin for some time now. What we see here is a striking similarities between Putin and Julius Caesar; the way he lived in poverty as a child, the way he made his way to get to the top and how he managed to secure his position there in extremely hostile and complicated situation, the way he has been successfully working to rebuilt the country from the ashes, ruled by puppet oligarchs controlled by the ‘West’, in every aspect, political, economical, social, cultural, military, and how much he managed to accomplish in just 10 years time, the way he acts firm, when he feels it is needed and generously, when situation allows. The way he understands people's psychology and his wisdom in dealing with them, not looking for the revenge but for the benefit of the country and its people. The way he cares for people of other countries (like Syria). The way he is popular and supported by common people. The way he conducts himself.

Most importantly, the way he teaches the world the TRUTH about the world we live in through technical devices. Russia seems to be the perfect country, if not the only powerful enough country that can attempt to oppose 'The system'. Putin is doing it and he is doing it right. He seems to be well prepared and secured in every aspect. He once said something like: “We are on the side of the truth, we will win”.

What appears in my mind is that there is a good possibility, that what we witness here is the “Return of Christ”. Perhaps?

I would be cautious in this line of thought, because the same could be said about Hitler prior to 1939, and he was also looked at as a savior of sorts.

I would be cautious too in this line of thought. Maybe there is more of a similarity to JFK, as loreta said, in the sense that at the current time, Putin could be an inspiration for many, representing hope that there's something in us humans that can make us strong if we align ourselves with truth/the creative force. But he is no savior, as there will never be a savior. The work, we must do for ourselves, which includes conscious suffering, the courage to face our own demons, doing our best in our own environment to act in favor of our destiny even when it hurts etc. No "Christ" will ever come, do the work for us, battle all evil and bring us back to paradise. I think it's important to keep that in mind, even if we can and should praise or even admire someone like Putin for what he does and for what he stands for at the moment. Fwiw.

I would never think of any savior coming. It is not about savior at all. It has been discovered by this forum, that there was no Christ as was generally believed, but that Julius Caesar was Christ actually. So the so called Christ did not come here to save anybody’s soul or give spiritual teachings, he came to help humanity in the most oppressive times, and what he was really doing was fighting with the “System” of corrupted psychopathical ruling elites, for the benefit of common people.

Cs said that the Christ will return and that he will teach the truth through technical means. I think they also said, that some will follow, and some will not. And it is up to each individual to accept the truth or to deny it. Then whom might we expect to come as Christ? Not any savior or spiritual guru, perhaps somebody who would do the same thing as Caesar did, as the history repeats itself and the times are even more oppressive now than in his times. Perhaps it would be more precise to say, that Julius Caesar returned. And he is teaching.

And what truth does humanity need to know now? The truth about the “System”, as I call it. People need to be awaken to see, what is really going here. Is it not the main purpose of Sott website?
And Putin is doing it, and he is doing it very well. He perfectly understands the System and exposes it to common people. He explains things in very honest, clear, easy to understand way to general public. He says exactly the same things that are presented by this group, perhaps not using the same words, not talking about psychopaths, but the meaning is the same. Russia itself is enormous country, is has about 150 mln. population, and now all these people are exposed to the truth about America/West modes of operation etc. And it spreads to other countries. China, India, Venezuela, Syria of course, etc. already catch up. Cs once said, that the final outcome will depend on mass consciousness choice.

I know a bit about Russia before Putin arrived on the scene. In short, total decay and corruption, ruled by psychopaths, the ground was already prepared by powers to be for the final seizure of the country, similarly to what happens in Ukraine now, but I think the situation was even worse there. And ONE MAN came and turned the direction of the country around, and now just after 10 years he is able to successfully oppose The System and to expose it to the world. That is quite impressive. Hard to believe one “normal human soul” would be able to accomplish it.

 

[luc]

I would never think of any savior coming. It is not about savior at all. It has been discovered by this forum, that there was no Christ as was generally believed, but that Julius Caesar was Christ actually. So the so called Christ did not come here to save anybody’s soul or give spiritual teachings, he came to help humanity in the most oppressive times, and what he was really doing was fighting with the “System” of corrupted psychopathical ruling elites, for the benefit of common people.

Cs said that the Christ will return and that he will teach the truth through technical means. I think they also said, that some will follow, and some will not. And it is up to each individual to accept the truth or to deny it. Then whom might we expect to come as Christ? Not any savior or spiritual guru, perhaps somebody who would do the same thing as Caesar did, as the history repeats itself and the times are even more oppressive now than in his times. Perhaps it would be more precise to say, that Julius Caesar returned. And he is teaching.

And what truth does humanity need to know now? The truth about the “System”, as I call it. People need to be awaken to see, what is really going here. Is it not the main purpose of Sott website?
And Putin is doing it, and he is doing it very well. He perfectly understands the System and exposes it to common people. He explains things in very honest, clear, easy to understand way to general public. He says exactly the same things that are presented by this group, perhaps not using the same words, not talking about psychopaths, but the meaning is the same. Russia itself is enormous country, is has about 150 mln. population, and now all these people are exposed to the truth about America/West modes of operation etc. And it spreads to other countries. China, India, Venezuela, Syria of course, etc. already catch up. Cs once said, that the final outcome will depend on mass consciousness choice.

I know a bit about Russia before Putin arrived on the scene. In short, total decay and corruption, ruled by psychopaths, the ground was already prepared by powers to be for the final seizure of the country, similarly to what happens in Ukraine now, but I think the situation was even worse there. And ONE MAN came and turned the direction of the country around, and now just after 10 years he is able to successfully oppose The System and to expose it to the world. That is quite impressive. Hard to believe one “normal human soul” would be able to accomplish it.

Thanks for clarifying, I think I understand what you are saying. Maybe I should have added that I didn't think from your previous post that you were expecting a "savior", I just think it's something to keep in mind since I know that the idealization of Putin as a "hero who will save us all" is a danger, an urge I felt myself during the last days. Finally someone in a position of power that I can look up to! Thoughts like this have the potential to disrupt critical thinking, osit.

As for the "normal human soul" - I recently read "American Heart of Darkness" and there the author refers to the following quote, which I found beautiful and which reminded me of Putin:

There are no extraordinary men... just extraordinary circumstances that ordinary men are forced to deal with.

-William Halsey

It has been said somewhere here that Putin said when he became Prime Minister that he will just do his best (he was asked for a "vision" and had no pre-scripted politician-style answer). So maybe he is a "normal human soul", although certainly a strong one, who has grown exceptionally while forced to deal with extraordinary circumstances? Then the beautiful message he sends out to the world is that yes, as a "normal" human being, we can grow and do what's right - there is hope. Just some thoughts...

 

[Laura]

I keep thinking about that thing Edgar Cayce said about the nations. He gave a brief list of the major sins of the various countries and then...


America - has forgotten "in God we trust"
England - conceit
France - lust
China - isolationism
India - internalization of knowledge
Italy - dissensions

Then, about Russia:

Q. What should be the attitude of so-called capitalist nations toward Russia?

A. The greater hope of the world will come through Russia’s religious development. The one nation or group which is closed in relationship with Russia may fare best during the gradual changes and the final settlement of conditions, as to rule of the world (February 8, 1932) 3976-10

Q. About the Russian situation?

A. As we have indicated before, a new understanding has come and will come to a troubled people. Here, because of the yoke of oppression, because of self-indulgences, another extreme has arisen. Only when there is freedom of speech, and the right to worship according to the dictates of conscience - until these come about, turmoils will still be within. (June 24, 1938) 3976 - 19

... For changes are coming, this may be sure – an evolution, or revolution in the ideas of religious thought. The basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia; not communism, no! But rather that which is the basis of the same, as the Christ taught – His kind of communism! (1930) No. 452-6

In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the communistic, or Bolshevik, no; but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallised, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. (1944) No. 3976-29

 

[ella]

As for the "normal human soul" - I recently read "American Heart of Darkness" and there the author refers to the following quote, which I found beautiful and which reminded me of Putin:

There are no extraordinary men... just extraordinary circumstances that ordinary men are forced to deal with.

-William Halsey

It has been said somewhere here that Putin said when he became Prime Minister that he will just do his best (he was asked for a "vision" and had no pre-scripted politician-style answer). So maybe he is a "normal human soul", although certainly a strong one, who has grown exceptionally while forced to deal with extraordinary circumstances? Then the beautiful message he sends out to the world is that yes, as a "normal" human being, we can grow and do what's right - there is hope. Just some thoughts...

I do not think, I would agree with the statement of William Halsey. It would be equal to saying, that every soul has more or less the same potential. Looks like “the best” of Mr. Putin is much bigger than “the best” of most other souls.
And why was he “forced” do deal with the situation, while so many other souls were not “forced” to deal with exactly the same or similar situation? Many has been in his position, and most of them were not ‘forced’ to do anything about it, not to even try. And some did try, and ended up dead, for example.

 

[ella]

I keep thinking about that thing Edgar Cayce said about the nations. He gave a brief list of the major sins of the various countries and then...


America - has forgotten "in God we trust"
England - conceit
France - lust
China - isolationism
India - internalization of knowledge
Italy - dissensions

Then, about Russia:

Q. What should be the attitude of so-called capitalist nations toward Russia?

A. The greater hope of the world will come through Russia’s religious development. The one nation or group which is closed in relationship with Russia may fare best during the gradual changes and the final settlement of conditions, as to rule of the world (February 8, 1932) 3976-10

Q. About the Russian situation?

A. As we have indicated before, a new understanding has come and will come to a troubled people. Here, because of the yoke of oppression, because of self-indulgences, another extreme has arisen. Only when there is freedom of speech, and the right to worship according to the dictates of conscience - until these come about, turmoils will still be within. (June 24, 1938) 3976 - 19

... For changes are coming, this may be sure – an evolution, or revolution in the ideas of religious thought. The basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia; not communism, no! But rather that which is the basis of the same, as the Christ taught – His kind of communism! (1930) No. 452-6

In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the communistic, or Bolshevik, no; but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallised, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. (1944) No. 3976-29

And in an article: “The darkness over Tibet” you wrote:

…just let me insert an interesting idea that relates to these matters, which connects with the C's material as well as the work of Illion:
Steiner said that the present cultural epoch, the 5th Post-Atlantean, is the era of the manifestation of the Consciousness Soul. In this the English-speaking peoples are, in a way, the leaders, since they develop the Conscious Soul instinctively (a paradoxical concept, if you think about it). Also, in a way, the Central Europeans, especially the Germans, are leaders, since they develop the *I*, the Ego, which comes to fruition in the Conscious Soul. The next epoch, the 6th, will be a time of Spiritual Self development, though the Spirit Self will not then become Man's own possession, as is the *I* in the Conscious Soul today -- that will happen only in the far future.
In the 6th Epoch the Spirit Self will be an inspiration from above, as it were, from the angels. The East-Slavs, especially the Russians and Poles should lead in this development, though in a way the culture will be worldwide.

 

[Lilou]

[quote author= Laura]
I keep thinking about that thing Edgar Cayce said about the nations...[/quote]

Yeah, me too. This has been stuck in my mind a lot lately "out of Russia will come the hope of the world". I think we are witnessing this coming to fruition.

 

[Lucius]

Unfortunately, many Poles including most of Polish politicians suffer from wilful blindness. For me, as Pole it’s terrifying to see how again Poland has being used by the USA, actually on its own request.

Lux is right saying that Poland has a knack for being useful idiots in international games. Poland have been fooled so many times by the West and it has not enough…But why? When taking into account the mentality of a common Pole the answer is easy: everything that makes Russia weaker is good. It’s so sad…

We must remember that meany Polish people have gone abroad... Polish people are just blind as other nation...
No matter If we are for the Usa or Russia - All is We are not For Poland, "divide and conquest"