Re: Slavs and Serbs(Sauth Slavs)
Thanks light worker.
Perhaps we could evade opening of Balkan's Pandora's box on our forum with following axioms:
1. All Slavs are mixture and dertivates of Kanthekian and multiple variations of indigenous human variates. Question to ponder: when did Slavs become unified tribe did Milograd culture, Chernoles culture, Lusatian culture and Vinča culture have to do anything with Slavs or some other more ancient groups or other Kanthekian variations?
2. Slavic language aka proto Slavic is still tangable in all modern Slavs languages. Question: When & how did Slav language separated form other languages in primordial Caucasian soup, what influences are crucial to it's formation. Explanation of real meaning to Slav noun would be nice if we could rally trace the most earliest formations of Slavs language from Indo-Caucasian surroundings. Question to ponder: did Slavs named them self allone, or surrounding more ancient tribes gave Slavs the name?? Last but not the least is why Slav languages are so much different from 2 other most massive linguistic groups in Europe; Latin and Germanic?? Did Slavs have enough of time in certain isolation to formate their own linguistics group or they have substantial influence in Kanthek and allready cultural difference via the rest of Kanthekians or there are some still unknown detail covering archaic languages mixtures, we still have to find out starting with all 3 races in Athlantean culture?
3. The route of Slavic expansion from Caucasus area to today's European habitats seems pretty eratic, knowing this is the OPS world with OPS behavioural patterns (wars, rapes, genocides, invasions,...,...) and short memory span for the truthful information, where and how did Slavs came from Point A to pint B could evidently include multiple moving back and forth trough Europe and Asia, so that should be another open question.
4. Casus belli to our search in truth could be stopped with
divide et impera, after all Atlantean culture had wars between Kanthekian and ancient Atlantean groups, we know what happened to Paranthas, they are extincted species (except in some gentetic heritage of the same ancient group in genome of today's people from India, SE Asia and part of NG and Australia), we do not want the same thing happened to us, no? So in search of truth about one sub Kanthekian race called Slavs we have to be open minded (as said by light worker) and not taking sides. Even in Wikipedia I found this: ethnonym Slavs are considerably diverse both in appearance and culturally, and relations between them - even within the individual ethnic groups themselves - are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to feelings of mutual hostility end quote, not so nice classification of inter Slavic relationships.
5. Last but not the least is: Genetics
Further information: Genetic history of Europe
Haplogroup R1a Distribution
Global Haplogroup R1a1 Distribution
The modern Slavic peoples carry a variety of Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups and Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups. Yet two paternal haplogroups predominate: R1a1a [M17] and I2a2a [L69.2=T/S163.2]. The frequency of Haplogroup R1a ranges from 63.39% in the Serbs, through 56.4% in Poland, 54% in Ukraine, 52% in Russia, Belarus, to 15.2% in Republic of Macedonia, 14.7% in Bulgaria and 12.1% in Herzegovina.[28] The correlation between R1a1a [M17] and the speakers of Indo-European languages, particularly those of Eastern Europe and Central and Southern Asia, was noticed in the late 1990s. From this Spencer Wells and colleagues, following the Kurgan hypothesis, deduced that R1a1a arose on the Pontic-Caspian steppe.[29]
Specific studies of Slavic genetics followed. In 2007 Rębała and colleagues studied several Slavic populations with the aim of localizing the Proto-Slavic homeland. The significant findings of this study are that:
1. Two genetically distant groups of Slavic populations were revealed: One encompassing all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and few Southern-Slavic populations (north-western Croats and Slovenes), and one encompassing all remaining Southern Slavs. According to the authors most Slavic populations have similar Y chromosome pools — R1a. They speculate that this similarity can be traced to an origin in the middle Dnieper basin of Ukraine during the Late Glacial Maximum 15 kya.
2. However, some southern Slavic populations such as Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians are clearly separated from the tight DNA cluster of the rest of the Slavic populations. According to the authors this phenomenon is explained by "...contribution to the Y chromosomes of peoples who settled in the Balkan region before the Slavic expansion to the genetic heritage of Southern Slavs..."[31]
Marcin Woźniak and colleagues (2010) searched for specifically Slavic sub-group of R1a1a. Working with haplotypes, they found a pattern among Western Slavs which turned out to correspond to a newly-discovered marker, M458, which defines subclade R1a1a1g. This marker correlates remarkably well with the distribution of Slavic-speakers today. The team, led by Peter Underhill, which discovered M458 did not consider the possibility that this was a Slavic marker, since they used the "evolutionary effective" mutation rate, which gave a date far too old to be Slavic. Woźniak and colleagues pointed out that the pedigree mutation rate, giving a later date, is more consistent with the archaeological record.
Pomors are distinguished by the presence of Y Haplogroup N among them. Postulated to originate from southeast Asia, it is found at high rates in Uralic peoples. Its presence in Pomors (called "Northern Russians" in the report) attests to the non-Slavic tribes (mixing with Finnic tribes of northern Eurasia).
Haplotype R1a Y-DNA distribution picture is on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg
GlobalR1a1a distributionis on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GlobalR1a1a.png
Noticed the interesting fact about Later GLaciar Maximum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Glacial_Maximum that is for sure another momentum in Caucasian migrations (not counting all other natural disaster) I guess genetic research will still have to say a lot about Slavs sub haplos.
I'm pretty interested in linguistic mystery of Slavs and their bardic & shamanic mythology and verbal Chronicles, reason is simple, linguistic comparison is interesting with Hindi and Sanskrit and lot of historical facts could be found out in bardic songs and stories and shamanic heritage.
More over Slavic mythology on: http://www.jrank.org/cultures/pages/6300/Slavic-mythology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_mythology
http://www.dumka.us/Brownie.html
http://users.teol.net/~svarog/english.html
http://www.winterscapes.com/slavic.htm
http://infoz.ffzg.hr/afric/MetodeII/Arhiva04_05/KnezevicRobert.htm this article is on Croatian
http://library.thinkquest.org/C008326/Slavonic/Welcome_SlavicMythology.htm
http://www.helium.com/items/1228221-slavic-mythology-serbian-mythology-croation-mythology-russian-mythology-alexander-the-great-myth
This is more than enough material for the time being, although could sound funny one of the nicest tales from Slavic antiques are: Priče iz Davnine, Ivane Brlić Mažuranić, although made for children it is the real treasure from the past.
BTW if anyone have this book: Initial Mythology/World-View of Slavs Russian Book, I would be more than glad to pay for it, Thanks
Happy reading :)
