Smoking is... good?

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Mr. Premise said:
I read that link, Nicklebleu, and I'm not convinced. [...]. As I've said before, I think nicotine is as addictive as caffeine, but some people aren't as susceptible to caffeine or nicotine addiction and others are. I think the need to say nicotine isn't addictive is because "addictive" has bad connotations (drug addiction sounds really bad). But there is no stigma to caffeine addiction, so that's the best way to think about it.

Well, that idea supports the article posted: Coffee-lover-It-could-be-in-your-genes http://www.sott.net/article/286966-Coffee-lover-It-could-be-in-your-genes. Which also goes along with what the C's say about a genetic profile and smoking. And what do you know, i have both!.... :) I would also agree that some can quit with less issue, or do things like smoke 'only outside of office hours' (!). Thanks for the comments both.
 
Goemon_ said:
I had to quite smoking during 45 days on the recommandation by the surgery guy after an injury.

The 4 first days were all right, after that I had a lot of stress that has stop only when I start smoking again.

I find it quite easy to stop coffee.
That confirms my hypothesis that some people can quit caffeine and nicotine easily and some people get withdrawal symptoms (three days of massive headache, etc.). I'm in the three days of massive headache boat.
 
From this morning's edition of the newspaper in my region. More fascism comes to Missouri.
_http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-housing-authority-will-ban-smoking-in-public-housing-starting/article_bbfb1586-03b1-5d27-97ca-10a2e46802ea.html

Columbia Housing Authority will ban smoking in public housing starting May 1

By Andrew Denney

Saturday, November 8, 2014 at 12:00 am


Starting May 1, the Columbia Housing Authority will ban smoking inside public housing units, a new rule that has been instituted by hundreds of housing authorities across the country and is being met with mixed reviews by residents.

“We’re not forcing anyone to stop smoking, we’re just asking them to step outside,” said Lee Radtke, the authority’s director of public housing operations, at a Thursday meeting of the housing authority’s Resident Advisory Board.



Radtke emphasized smoking would be allowed on the housing authority’s property, just not inside buildings.

The CHA Board of Commissioners voted Oct. 21 to approve the ban. In a letter to the advisory board dated two days after the passage of the new policy, Radtke wrote that rumors were “already flying among residents” and many were “imagining the worst outcome possible.”

The new policy does not pertain to recipients of housing choice vouchers — better known as the Section 8 program — who use the vouchers to obtain housing in the private market. The authority has a total of 719 public housing units on Park Avenue and on several blocks just west of Providence Road, at Oak Tower, Paquin Tower and at its Bear Creek family site. The ban includes e-cigarettes.

According to a 2012 notice from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, more than 225 housing authorities across the country had adopted nonsmoking policies.

In a presentation to the advisory board, Radtke said, the ban will be beneficial to the health and safety of residents and will help the housing authority save on maintenance costs. When tenants who smoke in their units move out, the housing authority must repaint the units to cover smoke stains and replace stained blinds. Additionally, the authority might have to replace burnt carpets and tabletops.

Radtke said at the meeting that the ban will go into effect regardless of the input it receives from tenants. But she said tenants would be able to weigh in on possible “tweaks” to the new policy — such as whether or not the housing authority should establish shelters for smokers or if there should be additional exterior lighting to ensure their safety — that would be subject to final approval by the board of commissioners.

Members of the advisory board did not voice opposition to the policy at the meeting. But Dave Dollens, a Paquin Tower resident and board member, said after the meeting that he would prefer that the policy not be implemented, though he said he accepts its inevitability.

“They ought to be able to smoke in their own house,” said Dollens, who said he was a regular smoker until he quit about two decades ago.

Wilma Blair, an advisory board member who lives in a unit on Park Avenue, said she has heard from tenants who are angry about the new policy, but she supports it.

Secondhand smoke, Blair said, is a “touchy” issue for her — she was once a smoker herself and has a friend who is a nonsmoker who allowed Blair to smoke in his house. The friend was later diagnosed with lung cancer, she said, and she feels responsible.

“He’s suffering for something someone else did,” Blair said.

The housing authority’s decision to ban smoking falls in line with a push by local institutions working to curb smoking. The Columbia City Council recently approved a permit to allow the University of Missouri to prohibit smoking on city streets on campus, effectively banning smoking campuswide. Smoking has been banned on all other parts of campus for more than a year.

In September, First Ward Councilwoman Ginny Chadwick proposed legislation to increase the minimum age to purchase tobacco products to 21 years old and to add e-cigarettes to the city’s indoor smoking ban. Those proposals are still under review by the city’s Board of Health and its Substance Abuse Advisory Commission, which are both scheduled to discuss the proposals at meetings next week.
 
Hello I thought I would post an update for UK smokers, there is a website called the backyshop where me and keyhole get additive free (not sure if it's organic) tobacco from, we have recently bought Natural Fibre Biodegradable Unbleached filters, they were quite reasonably priced too... I assume it's slightly better than normal filters? They haven't arrived yet but If anyone is interested i'll update with a review :)

This is what the company had to say : ''The rise in popularity of Organic and unbleached cigarette papers was bound to stretch across to cigarette filters at some point and we should have known Mascotte would lead the way.
Our original though’t when offered these during a sales meeting (down the pub) was “but if they are not burning what difference does it make to the smoke …. this is surely just a gimmick??” It was quickly pointed out that as they were made from paper they were biodegradable and one of the most frowned upon aspects of smoking are the filters littering every doorway on the highstreet.
The rest of the sales pitch began with talk of the paper absorbing more impurities from the smoke and making it smoother … blah … blah … blah so the boss proceeded to make a rollie while the nice dutch lady went to get the drinks. (He is usually a gent but it was London prices and she had the Mascotte credit card)

Before she was back the rollie was lit and the boss was blown away. The difference this filter makes is astounding!
WHY THE HELL HAVE THEY BEEN MAKING THEM FROM PLASTIC FOR ALL THESE YEARS!!!!!

The smoke is somehow much smoother and cooler than traditional filters and the taste is cleaner. And the guilt is removed when stubbing out the filter as it is biodegradable!''
 
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.
 
Gaby said:
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.

Hi,
The website shows two types of organic tobacco, Canadian and American. Do you know which one has blonde taste? I used to smoke blond a few years ago. :cool2:
 
Ariadna said:
Gaby said:
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.

Hi,
The website shows two types of organic tobacco, Canadian and American. Do you know which one has blonde taste? I used to smoke blond a few years ago. :cool2:

I bought 1 pound of each... They're both equally blond to me, but they say that the Canadian one is blonder :cool2:
 
Gaby said:
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.

Yeaah - that's my favourite smoke too! But I needed an import license (160 AUD for two years) and then I pay about 500 AUD per kilo of excise.
But it's worth the money - outstanding stuff. I usually combine the Canadian with the American 1:1 ...
 
nicklebleu said:
Gaby said:
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.

Yeaah - that's my favourite smoke too! But I needed an import license (160 AUD for two years) and then I pay about 500 AUD per kilo of excise.
But it's worth the money - outstanding stuff. I usually combine the Canadian with the American 1:1 ...

Hope to taste it this weekend.

I wrote to them, telling them that ideally the package should have no tracking number. In the end we agreed on priority mail with tracking number through US postal service. Packages which come through UPS, DHL and similar, do tend to be taxed and/or inspected.

Custom declaration lists "organic leaf" as the content of the package, with no mention of tobacco.
 
Gaby said:
nicklebleu said:
Gaby said:
FWIW, I bought organic tobacco from _http://www.leafonly.com/ Came all the way from the US to Spain, and I had no taxes or EU importing issues.

Yeaah - that's my favourite smoke too! But I needed an import license (160 AUD for two years) and then I pay about 500 AUD per kilo of excise.
But it's worth the money - outstanding stuff. I usually combine the Canadian with the American 1:1 ...

Hope to taste it this weekend.

I wrote to them, telling them that ideally the package should have no tracking number. In the end we agreed on priority mail with tracking number through US postal service. Packages which come through UPS, DHL and similar, do tend to be taxed and/or inspected.

Custom declaration lists "organic leaf" as the content of the package, with no mention of tobacco.

First package that I ordered got through unscathed, so thought "yeaaaah!!!". Next one got confiscated and destroyed (I guess the customs people smoked the leaves themselves - :lol:). So I had to do it the "legal way", although it is very expensive ... Australian Customs opens every parcel they think is not legit, no matter what postal method used.
 
Nothing groundbreaking. Just some footage from British Pathe about smoking through the last hundred years with archive footage. i liked the shots of the ladies looking at pipes! And it does give you a feel for how things have changed. (3 minutes long)


Do you remember the time when smoking was allowed basically everywhere? No? Well that's probably because the image of smoking has changed a lot over the past years. We'll explain to you how the cigarette developed from a social phenomenon to a banned germ.

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Siberia translated an article or blog post (_http://maxfux.livejournal.com/631603.html) that describes some of the forces behind the anti-smoking efforts in Russia. And in this post http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33856.msg535337.html#msg535337 s-kur suggested that it went into this thread too, so I repost the translation Siberia made:

Siberia said:
[..]
Who paid for the anti-tobacco law and why

maxfux
July 15th, 11:30

Long time ago beer giants lobbied for a ban of vodka commercials on TV. Different rationales were presented to justify this decision, but the main one was as follows: in the name of people’s health. They implied that people watch vodka commercials and start drinking. In fact, commercials did not influence the consumption process itself, it only influenced the choice of vodka brand only. But be that as it was not, the beer lobbyists succeeded.

Vodka lobby was not long in coming and with the efforts of journalists and the public introduced the term "beer alcoholism." In reality, no "beer alcoholism" exists. Nobody in the world has heard about it, it is specifically the Russian myth. Thus beer ads were gone, while the term remained. But did the consumption of alcohol decreased? No, the audience simply changes drinks, but does not give up the process itself. And they change drinks not really actively by the way. In fact, this struggle between beer and vodka lobby entailed the growth of consumption of "Jaguar" and other rubbish. And, apparently, it has nothing to do with the struggle for health.

Now the same thing is going on with tobacco. The myths about passive smoking, direct lies written on the packs of cigarettes claiming that smoking leads directly to certain diseases and even sexual impotency (!) are parts of the same battle. The battle for money, not health. You may wish to read a good article about it below.
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It’s been over a month already since the law No. 15FZ came into effect imposing yet another portion of harsh restrictions, which is called anti-tobacco by the people.

Smoking is certainly a bad habit and some reasonable restrictions are required. Many smokers agree with this too. But their opinion was not taken into consideration upon adopting this law. All humble attempts to somehow soften these restrictions, by allowing to smoke in special carriages and train vestibules or some bars and restaurants, failed.

Now a person who wants to smoke must carefully examine the area first to make sure that he or she is not in one of those restricted areas. And what would you suggest for a law-abiding smoker citizen, if he is in the hospital or has to spend a few days on the train? Die without medical care or stomp along the tracks on foot?

Even foreign experts recognize that the current Russian legislation on tobacco control is the world’s most severe and bears the signs of discrimination that turn smokers into second-class citizens. However, according to its developers, this is only the beginning. According to one of them, Alexei Shabashov, chairman of the Healthy Regions association based in Tver city, "the law is not strict enough, a list of public places where smoking is prohibited, should be extended... The law prescribes the procedure, but it does not answer the question where we are going and striving for."

Here is where Shabashov & Co. are striving for:

"We need to prepare the society for de-legalization of tobacco and set a time limit: in ten years, this product will be withdrawn from free circulation. Smokers will be subjected to replacement therapy. Those who do not want to give up tobacco... will be put on the account as drug addicts. They will have special plastic cards to receive in pharmacies... gray boxes containing sticks stuffed with grass. If someone shares a cigarette with another person, this will entail criminal liability."

This is our perspective: drug therapist – plastic card – jail.

After reading these suggestions of "doctor" Shabashov, who lately forced Moscow Sheremetyevo airport via the court procedure to close their smoking rooms, one could think that he is sincerely and selflessly concerned about the health problems of the nation. However, for some reason, he represents the association which is focused exclusively on the anti-smoking campaign, but not on drug addiction, alcoholism, tuberculosis, infant mortality or something else of no less importance.

The explanation for this one-sided approach was provided by Oleg Dubov, head of Oleninsky district of Tver, who is a countryman of our anti-tobacco hawk. After some digging on the internet, he made an interesting discovery. It turns out that Shabashov closely cooperates with some Open Health Institute (OHI). The word "open" in the title is no accident: the organization receives money for its activities from both government agencies (e.g. the Federal Agency for Health and Social Development) and from the external sources, including from the George Soros’s Open Society Institute.

Another sponsor of the OHI is the American fund of Bloomberg designed specifically to finance anti-tobacco projects in countries with transitional economies. Kirill Danishevsky, OHI manager of anti-tobacco unit, was awarded with an individual grant worth over one million dollars from this fund. He also greatly facilitated to the adoption of the anti-tobacco law.

The International Confederation of Consumer Societies (the “KonfOP”) also received considerable sums from the Bloomberg Foundation. The merits of its chairman Dmitry Yanin in ridding his compatriots from tobacco were so great that he has recently received a Judy Wilkenfeld Award. According to its terms and conditions, the winner is granted with a paid trip to the US for the ceremony and the award, in addition to the plaque, includes a considerable amount of money.

When granting Yanin with his award, Matt Myers, president of the American company Future Without Cigarettes, noted that the head of the KonfOP “played a great role in adoption of one of the world’s strongest anti-tobacco laws amidst the hardest political conditions.” Such recognition in itself is already very telling and costs a lot.

It is also interesting that one of the major sponsors of Yanin’s award is the largest pharmaceutical company Pfizer. Aside from the famous Viagra, they produce and actively promote Champix drugs aimed at counteracting nicotine addiction.

The cost of "treatment" is about six thousand rubles. According to the Ministry of Health estimates, after the entry into force of the anti-smoking law, 15% of smokers (more than six million people) will decide to give of the habit, in which case the potential profit of Pfizer from drug sales in Russia could exceed one billion dollars. To receive such income, the company is ready to give any award to a person who actually opened the Russian market for it.

In the past, Yanin struggled with smoking in very peculiar ways. According to the lobbying.ru website, in mid-2000s, under the pretext of "providing consumers with high-quality tobacco," he was actively lobbying for an increase in excise taxes on domestic products, and eventually succeeded. Through the efforts of the head of KonfOP, the tobacco factories in Omsk, Perm, Biysk, Chelyabinsk and Kansk were closed. Thousands of people lost their jobs and the vacant niche in the market was occupied by such foreign companies as BAT and Philip Morris, whose interests Yanin was lobbying apparently. However, later something went wrong in the relationship between the chairman of KonfOP and the tobacco monsters and he switched to the fight against smoking in general. Perhaps they simply pay more for this.

In addition to the Soros and Bloomberg foundations, other overseas structures also contributed to financing the efforts of Shabashov, Yanin, Danishevsky and their colleagues in lobbying the anti-tobacco law. These contributors include the Fulbright Foundation, known for its ties with the Russian non-systemic opposition and support of the current Kiev authorities.

I cannot judge whether Russian lawmakers were aware of all of the above. But they voted almost unanimously (with 441 votes) for the law No. 15FZ thus making a wide step towards the American foundations and also making the skeptics, who have already buried the “reload” of our relationship with the US, feel embarrassed.

And we also should keep in mind Pfizer company which is already preparing containers with Champix for shipment to Russia. No one has yet bothered to study the consequences of receiving this drug: what if the harm from this "medicine" will exceed all possible harm of smoking?

I fully admit the possibility that many deputies, including smokers, being duped by the convincing rhetoric of Shabashov, Danishevsky and Yanin, clicked their buttons consoling themselves that the severity of Russian laws will be compensated by the optionality of their performance. But in this case, I'm afraid, they trapped themselves: the lobbyists of the law No.15FZ received grants from the US big enough exactly to prevent this. This is not a Foreign Agents law, where you may register or not.

Yes, at the moment everything seems calm, no reports of tobacco riots from the regions, no fines actually imposed, and dissatisfaction with the law is manifested mainly in the sarcastic comments in social networks and blogs. But this is for the time being. Most likely, right now the developers of anti-tobacco law scrupulously record cases of non-compliance and will soon acquaint the public with the results of their research. And then they will appeal to international organizations and initiate legal actions due to Russia’s failure to meet its own legislation.

How will the authorities react then? If they pretend that nothing is happening, they will provide the West with another reason for accusing Russia of non-compliance with its obligations. If they make the police to fine all the offenders, they will provoke widespread discontent. And what if this happens before the elections to the State Duma? It is a mistake to think that all this is not serious. As you know, the unrest in Petrograd in February 1917 began after only a three-day disruption in the delivery of rye bread to the capital, while slightly more expensive wheat bread was available in excess. What happened after that is well known, we still have to suffer the effects of those events.

Considering all this, our deputies were very hasty with the anti-tobacco law, too hasty.

There is one more detail. Very few people paid attention to the publication date of the law No. 15FZ: February 23rd. Despite its current ridiculous name, the Day of Fatherland Defenders (well, not goalkeepers at least), it is still strongly associated in our society with the military men. But almost all of them, who returned from the battle fields, are smokers. There are not many ways to reduce stress in a combat situation, and a few good puffs is one such way, and certainly not the worst.

That’s how our deputies rewarded those who risk their lives for them. At least they haven’t yet prohibited smoking in the trenches, because it’s "in the open air", right? But smoking in a dugout would already be a violation, because these structures fall under the category of "premises for temporary accommodation."

I just wonder, if one is allowed to smoke in a tank?..
The publication date coincided with the army holiday accidentally most likely. I don’t think that there is any connection. But those guys who were pouring ink and money to lobby this law were probably happy with such coincidence.

It’s a pity that we cannot turn back time. I can imagine what a substantive and mutually beneficial discussion about the harm of tobacco we might have with Shabashov, Danishevsky and Yanin, if they came to visit us with their “plastic cards” and “grey boxes stuffed with grass” in Khankala, Chechnya, in 1996.
 
Thanks for translating that, Siberia, and for posting it thorbiorn. Very interesting. I think, like so much else, the money interests are one aspect, but the real sponsors behind it would also like to take away stress-reduction/coping mechanisms, and most importantly the improvement in the ability to think gained from smoking. Fascists types have always tried to go after tobacco.
 
Fe days ago red this on RT:

Electronic cigarettes contain up to 10 times more cancer-causing substances than regular tobacco, according to the latest study by Japanese scientists.

If by "regular" tobacco industrial cigarettes are meant than, this is very worrying for e-smokers and that could lead them to finally quitting... But for us, natural/whole tobacco burners means naught - since those blends are only benefiting... :cool2: :cool2: :cool2:

From:_http://rt.com/news/209627-cigarettes-electronic-cancer-japan/
 
For those in the UK, it might be a good time to stock up on whole leaf tobacco or start growing. The government is planning on taxing whole leaf by controlling the importing of it:

_https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/364742/141020_Control_of_Raw_Tobacco_v1.0.pdf
 

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