Smoking is... good?

[Renaissance]

Re: non-smoking profile? / smoking fatigue

Thanks for all the feedback! I'll be moving forward with my non-smoking experiment then. :)

Amelopsis, slowone was on point w/ the 'non-smoking profile' thingy. The diet I referred to was the diet being followed by many on the forum which gets rid of wheat, dairy, sugar, soy, processed foods, and other foods depending on what you're body says it does or doesn't like. I'm sure I do have a gluten sensitivity - it's downright evil! I've been rolling additive free cigs for a number of years, so that's not the issue.

Try quitting. If you can quit fairly easily, smoking is not for you!

For some reason this go around is a little tougher, but I don't find it extremely difficult either. In the past and on rare occasions I've gone days at a time w/o smoking, but I'd usually smoke about 5 or 6 rollies a day. Thanks for the input; it makes perfect sense.

I also would be really tired and fatigued after a cigarette, especially unfiltered. I would come from outside smoking and just flop down on the couch for about 15 minutes. I smoked all organic or additive free.

And this has pretty much been my experience as well, except if I'd 'just go to lie down' I'd konk out for a couple of hours, then be up until the wee hours of the morning, which made life difficult the next day. This also made it difficult to get things done in the evening hours so I think this will be a useful thing for me.

However, I noticed at the weekend that I'm OK when surrounded by numerous people smoking American Spirit roll-ups.

Indeed, there is certainly a distinctive stink from commercial cigs. I've never minded roll your own, and I've smoked them in my house for years. If I have people over who smoke commercial cigs you can definitely smell the lingering chemical stink for days!

Thanks again everyone.

 

[cholas]

Re: non-smoking profile? / smoking fatigue

Must be something good about American Spirit tobacco!!!

Or the energy of the people you were with. ;D

 

[Ollie]

Re: non-smoking profile? / smoking fatigue

Must be something good about American Spirit tobacco!!!

Or the energy of the people you were with. Cheesy

Definitely that too.

 

[abstract]

Re: non-smoking profile? / smoking fatigue

I also would be really tired and fatigued after a cigarette, especially unfiltered. I would come from outside smoking and just flop down on the couch for about 15 minutes. I smoked all organic or additive free.

When i started smoking my pipe I noticed that if i smoke past a certain point (I inhale) I would get, and still do, the feeling of being very heavy, and difficulty standing up. I think because the additive free stuff is so strong, especially unfiltered, you may just be getting too much nicotine at once, so perhaps, even though if i'm not mistaken you decided not to be a smoker, lack of tolerance may be the case?

Just my two cents.

 

[3DStudent]

Re: non-smoking profile? / smoking fatigue

...so perhaps, even though if i'm not mistaken you decided not to be a smoker, lack of tolerance may be the case?

I smoked for a total of 16 days. At the end of that I was getting used to it and not feeling so dizzy afterward. I was able to quit really easily and never really had a desire to smoke, before reading about it on the forum, that is. So I'm just letting it go, it didn't do much physically or mentally for me.

 

[ocean59]

I've been hand rolling cigarettes off and on for almost 10 years, and have always included American Spirit in the rotation (my favorites being Norwegian or Danish shags - light, smooth, and moist). The American Spirit blue (standard) pouches have gotten a bit harsher last year or two, in my perception. I've always found the organic blend to be too strong for me and have avoided it, although a few times it has been pleasant. There were times in years past where I found the "U.S. grown" blend they offered to be awful, but it has gotten better in recent years. All IMO of course.

An important factor for me in greatly increasing the quality of the handrolled cigarette experience is the moisture level of the tobacco. American spirit pouches and cans have a tendency to be very dry upon opening, again this seems to have increased in the last year or two. I feel that the comments about a harsh smoke and crumbly rolls or ash may be directly related to the amount of moisture (or lack of) inside the tobacco. I personally cough far more when smoking overly dry tobacco, it almost seems to dehydrate my entire body more quickly.

There are many ways to add water to the tobacco to smooth the smoke, and greatly simplify the rolling process (moistened tobacco is also more malleable). AmSpir used to sell an aluminum disk with clay inside, and many smoke shops sell similar items to regulate humidity for a tobacco pouch/can. I've never really done that, I'll just take a paper towel, moisten well with water, and put inside my pouch for a few hours. Orange peels work well too, and freshen the taste. All sorts of creative possibilities really. :)

The self-named papers they include now are a bit harsher (flax base iirc?) than the Rizlas (rice base) they used to come wiith. It is really better to buy extra "ultra-thin" papers, especially when first making the transition to rollies. Club papers are the thinnest I've ever seen, I think those are the ones that survive the "flame test" this old local showed me in Wyoming. He lit a lighter to the rolling paper suspended between his fingers, it burned completely in less than 2 seconds, and left almost no discernible ash. It convinced me, lol, and I'm pretty sure that's what brand they were. He used ones without any glue at all, but I believe they make a gummed variety also.

I hope my experiences are helpful to someone. :)

Take care,
Jason

 

[Thomas Alan]

I've been hand rolling cigarettes off and on for almost 10 years, and have always included American Spirit in the rotation (my favorites being Norwegian or Danish shags - light, smooth, and moist). The American Spirit blue (standard) pouches have gotten a bit harsher last year or two, in my perception. I've always found the organic blend to be too strong for me and have avoided it, although a few times it has been pleasant. There were times in years past where I found the "U.S. grown" blend they offered to be awful, but it has gotten better in recent years. All IMO of course.

An important factor for me in greatly increasing the quality of the handrolled cigarette experience is the moisture level of the tobacco. American spirit pouches and cans have a tendency to be very dry upon opening, again this seems to have increased in the last year or two. I feel that the comments about a harsh smoke and crumbly rolls or ash may be directly related to the amount of moisture (or lack of) inside the tobacco. I personally cough far more when smoking overly dry tobacco, it almost seems to dehydrate my entire body more quickly.

There are many ways to add water to the tobacco to smooth the smoke, and greatly simplify the rolling process (moistened tobacco is also more malleable). AmSpir used to sell an aluminum disk with clay inside, and many smoke shops sell similar items to regulate humidity for a tobacco pouch/can. I've never really done that, I'll just take a paper towel, moisten well with water, and put inside my pouch for a few hours. Orange peels work well too, and freshen the taste. All sorts of creative possibilities really. :)

The self-named papers they include now are a bit harsher (flax base iirc?) than the Rizlas (rice base) they used to come wiith. It is really better to buy extra "ultra-thin" papers, especially when first making the transition to rollies. Club papers are the thinnest I've ever seen, I think those are the ones that survive the "flame test" this old local showed me in Wyoming. He lit a lighter to the rolling paper suspended between his fingers, it burned completely in less than 2 seconds, and left almost no discernible ash. It convinced me, lol, and I'm pretty sure that's what brand they were. He used ones without any glue at all, but I believe they make a gummed variety also.

I hope my experiences are helpful to someone. :)

Take care,
Jason

Hi, Jason: I just started RYO about a month ago. I have been smoking American Spirit organic and using the papers that come with it. I found that the papers supplied don't last the whole pouch. Yesterday I tried Bugler papers. They burn much faster, as does the tobacco using this paper. I don't seem to get as much nicotine from each one.

In way it is better, with the AS papers the hit was so strong it upset my stomach a bit.

Thanks for you suggestions. I'll look for Rizlas or Club.


Mac

 

[ocean59]

Hi, Jason: I just started RYO about a month ago. I have been smoking American Spirit organic and using the papers that come with it. I found that the papers supplied don't last the whole pouch. Yesterday I tried Bugler papers. They burn much faster, as does the tobacco using this paper. I don't seem to get as much nicotine from each one.

In way it is better, with the AS papers the hit was so strong it upset my stomach a bit.

Thanks for you suggestions. I'll look for Rizlas or Club.


Mac

Bugler, and other low quality papers, apart from a nasty taste actually have additives to accel the burning process. And indeed, the cigarette burns too fast and is not as enjoyable. I also like Skunk papers, and Zig Zag ultra thins - the key being "ultra-thin" moreso than the brand name. Flax is good for eating, but doesn't make for a great cigarette paper (although hemp does work well).

Best to look for the local "marijuana smoker supply store/headshop". Potheads have been pickier than tobacco users, historically speaking, and so these shops often carry higher-end "for tobacco use only" products, which in this case, can actually be used for tobacco. Often times, these "smoke shops" are the only stores where I can find quality import tobacco and papers. This of course being a U.S. reference, not sure how it works elsewhere.

Has anyone found a good bulk supplier via mail order or the internet? After the tax increase last year here in the states, the price of rolling tobacco literally doubled overnight (pouch of American spirit used to be $5-6 last year, it is now $11-12, countrywide). This is fair I guess, because the previous 10 tobacco tax increases didn't touch the "rolling" class of tobacco, but still much more expensive now.

 

[Thomas Alan]

Bugler, and other low quality papers, apart from a nasty taste actually have additives to accel the burning process. And indeed, the cigarette burns too fast and is not as enjoyable. I also like Skunk papers, and Zig Zag ultra thins - the key being "ultra-thin" moreso than the brand name. Flax is good for eating, but doesn't make for a great cigarette paper (although hemp does work well).

Best to look for the local "marijuana smoker supply store/headshop". Potheads have been pickier than tobacco users, historically speaking, and so these shops often carry higher-end "for tobacco use only" products, which in this case, can actually be used for tobacco. Often times, these "smoke shops" are the only stores where I can find quality import tobacco and papers. This of course being a U.S. reference, not sure how it works elsewhere.

Has anyone found a good bulk supplier via mail order or the internet? After the tax increase last year here in the states, the price of rolling tobacco literally doubled overnight (pouch of American spirit used to be $5-6 last year, it is now $11-12, countrywide). This is fair I guess, because the previous 10 tobacco tax increases didn't touch the "rolling" class of tobacco, but still much more expensive now.

Hi, Jason:

Thanks again for you information.

Head shops are ancient history around here. The laws are very oppressive. They even harassed the bejabbers out of a tobacco shop owner because he smoked his pipe in his own shop.(He still does, good for him!) I haven't smoked in a long time. It is stunning how difficult it has become to enjoy a little tobacco.

Ok, Club, Rezla, Skunk, Zig Zag especially ultrathins. I'll look again next day off. The local "heads" are getting their papers somewhere. A little creative thinking is needed.

Have you tried smoking pouch tobacco in a pipe? A clay pipe might be safest, OSIT. Again hard to find.

Mac

 

[anart]

Ok, Club, Rezla, Skunk, Zig Zag especially ultrathins. I'll look again next day off. The local "heads" are getting their papers somewhere. A little creative thinking is needed.

All those rolling papers can be bought online - just search rolling tobacco.

 

[Thomas Alan]

Ok, Club, Rezla, Skunk, Zig Zag especially ultrathins. I'll look again next day off. The local "heads" are getting their papers somewhere. A little creative thinking is needed.

All those rolling papers can be bought online - just search rolling tobacco.

Yeah, I know, Anart

Thanks.

Just a little hesitant about having the record on my credit card. We'll see how it goes.

Mac

 

[pete02]

A quick update on my Hookah purchase, I'm not very happy with it so far. It seems like a lot of trouble to go thru just to smoke. When I smoke tobacco in it, it seems kinda harsh but when I smoke the shishas tobacco in it, it smokes just fine. My only problem with that is the shishas tobacco is said to have molasses and honey in it, I'm guessing for preservation purposes, and I'm not sure thats any good to be smoking. For now I will only use it on occasion but it looks like I'm going back to my pipe. It seems to be the only way to smoke just tobacco and nothing else.

 

[abstract]

Hookahs are fun but it's been my opinion for a while that a smoking device should be portable and practical. :)

 

[wrotek]

Re: Lyme and Smoking

Hi Go2, could U please respond me here about other herbs that were present in Your friend's Chinese herb mixture except teasel ? I got email from the system that private messages are discouraged on this forum.


Maciej

 

[theos]

Re: Lyme and Smoking

Hello wroteck. PM's are frowned upon so to answer your question to me publicly regarding lyme and teasel: I've made teasel but I do not have lyme's disease so I can't give you an answer based on my own experience regarding whether it worked or not.

Also, it's courteous to post an introduction on the newbies thread.