Smoking is... good?

[theos]

She also said that keeping away from doctors as much as possible has helped.

I wonder how many meds these really old people were taking?

 

[_xyz_]

For thr interested - other 100% pure brands available in the EU are Pepe and Pueblo, both taste way better than AS.

 

[_xyz_]

Oh yes and - there are several online herb shops in the EU selling the south american wild tobacco, just google for "mapacho" (the natives name for nicotiniana rustica). Usually delivered in big 1kg roles, uncut. But beware, it may make you really high if you smoke much of it.

 

[Stranger]

Oh yes and - there are several online herb shops in the EU selling the south american wild tobacco, just google for "mapacho" (the natives name for nicotiniana rustica). Usually delivered in big 1kg roles, uncut. But beware, it may make you really high if you smoke much of it.

Thanks a lot! I was searching through the whole web for a shop which sells nicotiniana rustica. I didn't know the term mapacho, so I wasn't succesful. Thanks again.

Do you have experience with smoking this stuff? Or anyone else?

This must be the tobacco Jeremy Narby is talking about in his book "The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge" as cited by Laura:

In their visions, shamans take their consciousness down to the molecular level and gain access to information related to DNA, which they call 'animate essences' or 'spirits.' This is where they see double helixes, twisted ladders, and chromosome shapes. This is how shamaic cultures have known for millennia that the vital principle is the same for all living beings and is shaped like two entwined serpents (or a vine, a rope, a ladder...) DNA is the source of their astonishing botanical and medicinal knowledge, which can be attained only in defocalized and 'nonrational' states of consciousness, though its results are empirically verifiable.

I knew this hypothesis would be more solid if it rested on a neurological basis, which was not yet the case. [...] The Ashaninca say that by ingesting ayahuasca or tobacco, it is possible to see the normally invisible and hidden maninkari spirits. [...] There ought to be an analogous connection between nicotine and DNA contained in the nerve cells of a human brain.

I am quite unsure whether it would be a good idea to smoke it. Also the shops selling it are stating that it isn't for smoking because if it's toxicity. (Off course we know it's just for the sake of law)

 

[Cosmos]

Oh yes and - there are several online herb shops in the EU selling the south american wild tobacco, just google for "mapacho" (the natives name for nicotiniana rustica). Usually delivered in big 1kg roles, uncut. But beware, it may make you really high if you smoke much of it.

interesting:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotiana_rustica)

Nicotiana rustica, known in South America as Mapacho and in Vietnam as Thuoc Lao (thuốc lào), is a plant in the Solanaceae family. It is a very potent variety of tobacco. The high concentration of nicotine in its leaves makes it useful for creating organic pesticides.

Rustica is also used for entheogenic purposes by South American shamans. Growing in the rainforest it contains up to twenty times more nicotine than common North American varieties such as N. tabacum. Other reasons for its shamanic use are the comparatively high levels of MAOI beta-carbolines, including harman and norharman.[2] Most commonly, it is allowed to soak in water, and the water is then insufflated; it is also smoked in cigars and used as an enema and as an anthelmintic effective against tapeworm infections. In the east of southern of Turkey, people use this herb and ashes of some tree bodies to make a snuff called "Maraş Otu". They use this putting under either of the lips like Swedish snus. It is also a common admixture of Ayahuasca in some parts of the rainforest.

In Russia, N.rustica is called "makhorka" (махорка). It was smoked casually by the lower classes before normal tobacco became widely available (after WWII), and is still sometimes smoked by peasants and farmers.

Nicotiana rustica leaves have a nicotine content as high as 9%, whereas Nicotiana tabacum (common tobacco) leaves contain about 1 to 3%.[3]

[edit] Thuốc làoIn Vietnam, it is most commonly smoked after a meal on a full stomach to "aid in digestion", or along with green tea or local beer (most commonly the cheap "bia hoi"). A "hit" of thuoc lao is followed by a flood of nicotine to the bloodstream inducing strong dizziness that last several seconds. It should be said however that even heavy smokers have had trouble with the intense volume of smoke and that side effects include nausea and vomiting, as with any tobacco-related experience.

The main difference between smoking thuoc lao and the use of other tobaccos is in the method of consumption, in that they are consumped with water pipe. The smoker is presented with either a bamboo pipe called a điếu cày (literal translation: farmer's pipe) or a ceramic hookah called a Điếu bát. The pipe is filled with an appropriate amount of water and a small amount of thuoc lao is pressed into the bowl. Typically, the substance is lit with one or two matches. If offered a lighter, a Vietnamese person would politely decline on using it directly, and instead ignite a small piece of bark or paper to use as a flame.

One then ignites the tobacco and inhales to create a body of smoke inside the pipe, before exhaling the smoke, reversing the process of air in the pipe by blowing into it to pop out the tobacco. The smoker then sharply inhales, usually tilting the pipe upwards to an almost horizontal position (but not completely as the water would drain out the mouth).

Typically, on the streets of Vietnam's capital of Hanoi a small bag containing enough tobacco for 5 to 8 "hits" retails at 2500 Vietnamese đồng, which is equivalent to about 15 US cents. Larger packs cost up to 20000 đồng and would be about $1.25 US Dollars. The use of thuoc lao is always out of the bamboo pipe, which can range from 10000 đồng to upwards of 50000 đồng for items with extravagant carving and other designs.

so the only reason why it makes you high for a few seconds is the high contend of nicotine ?
I don't know is that a healthy source of strong tobacco ? I read on a german site that smoking it is toxic ? (only because of the high nicotine?)

 

[Cosmos]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

 

[Mr. Premise]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

That's what I thought when I read that in the transcript.

 

[Cosmos]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

That's what I thought when I read that in the transcript.

so you say that there was a transcript that mentioned what I said ?
if so can you quote that part of the transcript ? I don't find it

 

[Stranger]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

That's what I thought when I read that in the transcript.

I did not.

Q: Well, you DID say that it enhances resistance to disease and that it did other beneficial things.
A: Yes, but, it is best accomplished with pure tobacco products, not the corrupted variety available on the mass market.
...
Q: He says: ‘Covering one’s lungs with ash cannot be good for you, regardless of what the ash is made of.’
A: Noncorrupted tobacco product does not have that effect.
...
Q: (A) Where can one find non-corrupted tobacco products?
A: Tobacco shop.

Since you can't buy nicotiniana rustica in tobacco shops, how could they've meant it?

 

[Cosmos]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

That's what I thought when I read that in the transcript.

I did not.

Q: Well, you DID say that it enhances resistance to disease and that it did other beneficial things.
A: Yes, but, it is best accomplished with pure tobacco products, not the corrupted variety available on the mass market.
...
Q: He says: ‘Covering one’s lungs with ash cannot be good for you, regardless of what the ash is made of.’
A: Noncorrupted tobacco product does not have that effect.
...
Q: (A) Where can one find non-corrupted tobacco products?
A: Tobacco shop.

Since you can't buy nicotiniana rustica in tobacco shops, how could they've meant it?

I think that's not the transcript I mentioned

 

[_xyz_]

Stranger: haven't tried yet, but I just ordered one roll, should arrive next week. I'll let you now.

I ordered here: http://www.alexxis.net/Kraeuter/Mapacho-Nicotiana-rustica-Aztekentabak-Buendel::370.html

 

[_xyz_]

Pashalis, it is the rain forest tobacco, coming straight from Peru in this case.

And yes, obviously it's "officially" not recommended to smoke it due to very high nicotine content, but same goes for many other substances. Normal tobacco is also "not recommended" anywhere by the officials.

 

[Mr. Premise]

I could be mistaken
but didn't the C's said that the best source of Tobacco would be from the rainforest , the tobacco that the native americans use ?

so maybe "mapacho" is one of this tobaccos recommended by the C's ?

That's what I thought when I read that in the transcript.

so you say that there was a transcript that mentioned what I said ?
if so can you quote that part of the transcript ? I don't find it

Sorry, after searching for a half hour on this, I can't seem to find the reference. Weird.

 

[truth seeker]

Perhaps it's on the page below? After you click on it, do a search for Amazon. Not sure if that's the reference you're looking for.

http://cassiopaea.org/2010/10/05/diet-and-health-questions-and-can-smoking-be-good-for-you/

 

[Cosmos]

Perhaps it's on the page below? After you click on it, do a search for Amazon. Not sure if that's the reference you're looking for.

http://cassiopaea.org/2010/10/05/diet-and-health-questions-and-can-smoking-be-good-for-you/

when I search "Amazon" nothing appears on the side ?