Spending your money - on what?

Health issues be addressed.


Fire. I'm going to be trying how to make fires without matches or gas or electricity.

Then Ill submit the videos/links of the results on here.
 
Lindenlea said:
Hi will01 - thanks for these links, it's something I have been thinking about a lot lately, I need to ensure I will have the ability to make some sort of fuel/gas/power (but not a noisy generator - don't want to attract trouble). My thoughts were to have a solar power setup totally off the grid, as I live in an area where there's a lot of alternate lifestyles (Northern NSW) but there will be no guarantee of sun, whereas wood is so abundant here.
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Here is a possible solution to the generator noise http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/generator.htm. We only have a small 2.2kva genny that we use for work and the house when the power goes down. It is adequate for the task, but I would like a bigger one as well as a small off grid solar system to power the fridge/freezer.

I have also looked into making a faraday cage. Most of my books are on kindle on an old laptop and I would like to preserve this in case of EMP. There seems to be a lot of debate around the net as to whether these will even work. People are making them out of aluminium foil covered boxes and metal garbage cans. Apparently, even an old microwave can be used.

Buying things secondhand is also a good way to stretch your dollar further. Some of the recommended books I have are used and kindle copies are cheaper than paperbacks (though I would prefer all hardcopys). A couple of years ago, my old mountainbike needed new tyres. Instead, I found a barely used bike that had been in storage for years and paid less for it than what the tyres would have cost. It is always worthwhile checking the classifieds to see what is available and could be useful.

Felipe4 said:
Healt related things. Teeth, eyes, ears problems in general.

Should be a priority.
That's one of the things we should invest on i could think of.
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Agree 100%. Better to do it now than have a problem later.
 
willi01 yes a personal check up on the things we need most, or need to take care of.

Ronnie That's a nice trick!, there is one with an orange I wanna reproduce, like do them and test them to see.


Pierre said:
One of the limitations of prepping is that it usually remains a theoretical exercise. Spending a few hours (or even a few days) without water and / or electricity sounds like a good way to test in real life how to cope with such situations.

In a similar vein going trekking/camping in ful autonomy helps sorting what is essential from what is not, learning/developing skills (start a fire for example), test some of your existing equipment, etc.
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That very true,
another thing I can think off, I mentioned somewhere was that frozen Bone Broth,
me and some other people at the time Hurricane Sandy hit the US decided to freeze soup about 20 bags of soup,(for a a few days, people couldn't get to work because there was no gas available and roads were obstructed with trees therefore no supermarkets) and the were well preserved for months after, we had one 4 months after, some flavor was lost but still it was not rotten or bad. we did it with chicken soup that time but I was thinking on Bone Broth instead. in case of an emergency.
 
I'm thinking of some seeds stock : but seeds you can sow again (not Monsanto's one) and cold resisting.

I've made a list from the french kokopelli website ( www.kokopelli-semences.fr) and I add that they sell tobacco seeds if someone is interested ( "Cherokee" variety and "Isleta pueblo" variety seems to be quite resisting and contain a lot of nicotine)

I was surprised to discover many siberian tomatoes' varieties (even if you don't eat them, a majority of people does and plant them in their vegetable garden).
Aromatic plants could be welcome for infusions.

If someone wants my selection, just ask :)
 
Having colloidal silver in handy seems like a very good thing regarding its many useful attributes and uses.
For the long term off the grid situation, it would be good to be able to make your own using a portable colloidal silver generator, which can run on batteries. I have the “silver puppy” which you can read about here _http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14578.0.html.

But that also means that one would preferably need distilled water to make the colloidal silver.
So if you have no power and want distilled water I found this one:
_http://waterdistillers.com/survival-fire-distiller-non-electric-steam-water-distiller/

Or you could by a pressure cooker and some tubing and do this:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQh9yd49Qc0

Buying a pressure cooker/canner for distilling also saves you space if you want to use it for other purposes aswell.
 
Torstone said:
Having colloidal silver in handy seems like a very good thing regarding its many useful attributes and uses.
For the long term off the grid situation, it would be good to be able to make your own using a portable colloidal silver generator, which can run on batteries. I have the “silver puppy” which you can read about here _http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14578.0.html.

But that also means that one would preferably need distilled water to make the colloidal silver.
So if you have no power and want distilled water I found this one:
_http://waterdistillers.com/survival-fire-distiller-non-electric-steam-water-distiller/

Or you could by a pressure cooker and some tubing and do this:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQh9yd49Qc0

Buying a pressure cooker/canner for distilling also saves you space if you want to use it for other purposes aswell.
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Thanks for the links Torstone. Buying a colloidal silver generator has been on my list for a while and after rereading the thread on them, it was a timely reminder. With all the people around me eating an "anything goes" diet and some having recurring health problems, the ability to produce my own CS will be invaluable.

For anyone in Oz/NZ, here is a link http://www.silverwell.com.au/ for a CS generator. It is a "silver puppy" with an Aussie power adapter. Think I will go with this one. Has anyone bought one from these blokes?
 
From this thead https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28283.0.html "Ponerology through the eyes of Ouspensky in 'Letters from Russia 1919'", a few loose quotes from the Russian Revolution (in bold):

Of course, this was only the beginning. The soldiers were still friendly towards the public. The time had not yet come; everybody was still getting bread and shoes. But it was quite clear that as soon as there should be no bread and shoes, those with guns would get bread and shoes from those without guns.

Our next problem was to get fuel. The rooms were icily cold; draughts blew in every direction; and coal was practically unobtainable in Rostov owing to the breakdown of the transport system.

In other words, the Volunteer Army declared an economic blockade of the unruly Republics; and the Kouban, Terek and Don Governments are confronted with the dilemma of exporting grain, or going without other products: sugar, leather, manufactured goods, etc.

We know what such words as 'civilisation' and 'culture' mean; we know what 'revolution' means, and 'a Socialist State' and 'winter', and 'bread', and 'stove', and 'soap', and many, many more of the same kind. You have no sort of idea of them.

For a bag of flour or of bread, a basket of eggs, or a jar of butter may bring them a whole fortune as reckoned in the old values.
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Mr. Premise said:
Batteries would be good, too.
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Beside small batteries every car or truck have big batteries 12V and 24V so for the first time they can be good for use. Suppose that can reach to them.
 
I have found canned duck fat with a very long conservation ( until 2018 ) : a good thing to get because even if gee butter could be conserved many months, and in a case of impossibility to found a regular provision, this will be very helpful.

Hard boiled eggs can be canned with vinegar but I don't really know how many times : any experience?

And think about yours pets alimentations too...


I have found in my books an old manual for first aid in the sea : it gives the basis if you are not able to reach quickly a doctor. We will maybe have to face urgency situations. Even for a fractured fingers, it's good to have some professionnal devices.
 
(KJN) What is the status of the money system in the United States? If you have money in the bank, can you leave it there, or should we be doing something more proactive?
A: If you store it with the fox, you will lose it at some point rather soon.
Q: (Odyssey) On the money issue, would it be a good idea to invest in silver or gold?
A: Partly, but what about "needful things"?
Q: (KJN) So we should spend it on things we need now, versus spending it on gold or putting in a bank or that kind of thing?
A: Mostly. Money will soon be worthless, ownership will survive awhile longer.
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This has been bothering me. I highlighted the words that stick out to me. With reference to silver and gold the C's answer partly, they never said it was a bad idea. And then answer mostly on the things we need "now", they never say no to gold.

There are a lot of survival and preparedness forums and groups throughout the internet.

What do we need "now"? health is one, confort, wisdom, self-balance a sense of security for our families. And security comes from having good future prospects, but this idea of security can be restrictive too. C's always warned against believing in future timestamps of apocalyptic predictions. I know it is important to be ready for the future but it gets daunting.. its like waiting for something bad to happen. I guess its an exercising in non-antecipation but being ready.

Ownership is owning land and houses and things, self explainatory, each to his own. I guess if someone has a piece of land that produces something, that is an asset when money is of no value.

A: Partly, but what about "needful things"?
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Needful Things - Wikipedia
The story is about a shopkeeper who runs his business by exchanging goods for money and mysterious deeds performed by the customer. According to the cover, it is "The Last Castle Rock Story".
 
Julius said:
This has been bothering me. I highlighted the words that stick out to me. With reference to silver and gold the C's answer partly, they never said it was a bad idea. And then answer mostly on the things we need "now", they never say no to gold.
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Yes, they never said no.

If the economic system crashes who are you going to sell your gold to? Especially if the worth of gold will be skyrocketing only the state and big banks would be able to buy up (let alone mafia type groups). If you want to sell you might be heavily taxed for "crisis profiteering". So a considerable stash of gold might only be useful for the time after, if there will be a time after...
Small units of gold like half ounces or 5 to 10 gram bars could still be useful as could be silver ounces.

Considering that a total ban on cash might be just around the corner it might make sense to stock up on food, medication and useful everyday stuff. Many items may be hard to come by (like dietary supplements) if online sales become even more controlled and restricted.

Eventually there might come a day when doing business will turn to bartering and small denominations of silver will be fine for buying from farmers, on the black market and dealing with craftsmen.

Another thing is, where will you be storing your precious metals? At home, in the back yard at an undisclosed location?

If you're going to put it in a lock box at a bank then brace yourself for dispossession.
 
Ursus Minor said:
Yes, they never said no.

If the economic system crashes who are you going to sell your gold to? Especially if the worth of gold will be skyrocketing only the state and big banks would be able to buy up (let alone mafia type groups). If you want to sell you might be heavily taxed for "crisis profiteering". So a considerable stash of gold might only be useful for the time after, if there will be a time after...
Small units of gold like half ounces or 5 to 10 gram bars could still be useful as could be silver ounces.

Considering that a total ban on cash might be just around the corner it might make sense to stock up on food, medication and useful everyday stuff. Many items may be hard to come by (like dietary supplements) if online sales become even more controlled and restricted.

Eventually there might come a day when doing business will turn to bartering and small denominations of silver will be fine for buying from farmers, on the black market and dealing with craftsmen.

Another thing is, where will you be storing your precious metals? At home, in the back yard at an undisclosed location?

If you're going to put it in a lock box at a bank then brace yourself for dispossession.
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I think everyone everywhere is looking for expecting the next potential financal crisis where there might be none. Everyone is expecting hyperinflation or hyperdeflation, but it might never happen. PTB can maintain the control and transition smoothly into a cashless system or to were the money is worthless, replacing the old system with something else.

If the present financial system crashes there is no reason why there won't be another kind of capital system and like you said bartering is an option and to barter you will need capital be it potatoes, cigarretes, skills or silver. If the internet doesn't goes bonkers a probable cashless system will be implemented.
 
Julius said:
I think everyone everywhere is looking for expecting the next potential financal crisis where there might be none. Everyone is expecting hyperinflation or hyperdeflation, but it might never happen. PTB can maintain the control and transition smoothly into a cashless system or to were the money is worthless, replacing the old system with something else.

If the present financial system crashes there is no reason why there won't be another kind of capital system and like you said bartering is an option and to barter you will need capital be it potatoes, cigarretes, skills or silver. If the internet doesn't goes bonkers a probable cashless system will be implemented.
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I completely agree with you. I caught onto the insane economics practiced in the US back in 2000 but I expected something similar to the 1930's crash. More nearly 2 decades have passed by and nothing like that has happened. Whatever they are up to I can not hope to even get close to second guessing their intentions. However the Brzezinski "technocratic society" has definitely come to be the reality as seen in that creature called the EU.
 
Julius said:
I think everyone everywhere is looking for expecting the next potential financal crisis where there might be none. Everyone is expecting hyperinflation or hyperdeflation, but it might never happen. PTB can maintain the control and transition smoothly into a cashless system or to were the money is worthless, replacing the old system with something else.
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Or it might happen but the timing is not right now. Consider that most Americans have no savings, no investments, and are completely sitting out of the current wild stock market boom in the US. And yes it actually is wild but you never hear anything about it. Everyone just sits on the sidelines hoping it will crash. Who is really that optimistic anymore? And now you have the fed talking about initiating a whole new boom and bust cycle from here.

Given how the money masters like to herd all of the sheep onto one side of the fence before the slaughter, I don't think that looks ready yet. You kind of want an environment more like 1999-2001 of very high optimism and euphoria before pulling the plug.

Anyway to the point, "Money will be worthless" can be interpreted in at least 2 ways.

1) It continues to become progressively more worthless in the way it always has done, ponzi style.

The money system works by creating new money all the time through debt, which comes from leveraging assets. So say there is a town with its own money and there are $1,000,000 total dollars in circulation here, and your house in that town is worth $1000. So you get a loan from the central bank for $1000 (the value of your house), and if you fail to repay then they get that house. The bank creates that money out of nothing to lend to you and now suddenly there are 1,001,000 dollars in circulation.

From this perspective yes, a dollar from 1930, while worth a lot then, is virtually worthless today. So obviously in this case you want to be in some kind of assets, and ideally something that is in a bull tide (which cycles between stocks, commodities, metals, real estate, fine art etc.)

This is all when the inflation is structured and controlled anyway. In Venezuela for instance the currency devaluation was so severe the only things that were in any way accesible and protected wealth were gold and bitcoin. Their stock index, despite being way up vs the devaluing bolivar, still took a massive crash vs the USD.

2) There is a serious crash of some sorts, anywhere on the spectrum from financial crisis to full cometary bombardment and walking dead scenario.

In this case money would be worthless because of the collapse or failure of the finely tuned system that backs our money supply, and all bets are off. But the system of laws still survives to give you the right of ownership of the assets that you do have, for a while longer.

In this case the answer is obvious, you wanna be in a community and own land, buildings, and resources to live off. Generally have enough things to barter with and have whatever becomes currency.
 
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