Strange "Sinkhole" in Tropical storm - 115 Dead

[Laura]

I just realized these sink holes are a weird sorta Rorschach test. I think of a big critter, you suggest a space weapon, Laura's looking at geological explanations, Dawn's thinking of tunnels.

This is funny....we could call it the "Sink Hole Psych Test" :P

It is really funny!

Underground tunnels are certainly possibly connected to this, I think, but without some additional data we can't conjecture or even suspect that. But, we can keep it in our range of view!

 

[Guardian]

I just realized these sink holes are a weird sorta Rorschach test. I think of a big critter, you suggest a space weapon, Laura's looking at geological explanations, Dawn's thinking of tunnels.

This is funny....we could call it the "Sink Hole Psych Test" :P

It is really funny!

Underground tunnels are certainly possibly connected to this, I think, but without some additional data we can't conjecture or even suspect that. But, we can keep it in our range of view!

All our ideas are possible....that's what makes it funny to me. We don't know what made the sinkholes, and that's what bothers us

Maybe a giant subterranean mole used preexisting man-made and naturally occurring tunnels, and aliens used a space cannon to try an shoot the mole when he came near the surface?

Kinda like us trying to gig a mole in our garden :P

 

[tom32071]

Have any new structures appeared in those areas ? Just thought I'd throw another idea out. Could be an "exchange" from another dimension.

Ever watch a show called "Fringe" ?

 

[Mona]

All our ideas are possible....that's what makes it funny to me. We don't know what made the sinkholes, and that's what bothers us

Maybe a giant subterranean mole used preexisting man-made and naturally occurring tunnels, and aliens used a space cannon to try an shoot the mole when he came near the surface?

Kinda like us trying to gig a mole in our garden :P

This mystery is giving me an itch that I cannot get rid of; I sure wish I knew what caused this sinkhole. Maybe tonight before we go to sleep, we should ask the universe if we could get a few hints. But, I still think it could be some kind of a tunnel boring machine.

Tom32071, I love 'Fringe'. That is my favorite show.

 

[Gaby]

I found an Argentinian article today, with several images of holes. At the end, as a joke, they put the Pink House, the official seat of the executive branch of the government of Argentina. A hole which swallows millions of millions of pesos, a dangerous hole indeed! :P Anyway, here are the rest of the images:

_http://www.urgente24.com/index.php?id=ver&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=142534&cHash=0b44a6c71b

Kimberley Big Hole - South Africa

man made, 1077 meters deep

Burning Gas Crater in Darvaza, Turkmenistan

man made, diameter of 60 meters, 20 meters deep

Mirna - Siberia, Russia

a former diamond mine

Bingham Canyon Mine - Oquirrh Mountains, Utah, USA

man made

Glory Hole - Monticello Dam, California, USA

Big Blue Hole, Belize

Geographical phenomenon

Chuquicamata - Calama, Chile

A copper and golden mine

Guatemala's sinkhole

Kola Superdeep Borehole - Kola, Rusia

The project attempted to drill as deep as possible into the Earth's crust. Drilling began on 24 May 1970 on the Kola Peninsula. The deepest hole reached 12,262 metres (40,230 ft) in 1989, and is the deepest hole ever drilled, and the deepest artificial point on the earth.

 

[andi]

Thanks Psyche.

Here are some more Guatemala ones that give a closer look:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marilynsnell/506094432/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericheatherh/412918292/sizes/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the-doctor/2228431318/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonathanmoody/412903128/sizes/l/

 

[Guardian]

Claw marks or my imagination?

 

[andi]

Guardian,
You could use some post processing software like Photoshop and Gimp and try and create a contrast and see if there is anything suspicious, but I doubt they could be claw; like mechanical claw (that of a machine ??) :P

 

[Pippi]

Thanks to all for your input in this discussion and for all the images, they are very helpful.
I also thought this really strange when I read the article, but the more I study the images, the more I find it to resemble the sinkholes I've seen in Lot (French region) and also in Abel Tasman national park New Zealand – both limestone country, as I understand this part of Guatemala is.
Limestone easily erodes, and the lower part of the regolith becomes sandy and instable, and crumbles down into lower areas of the ground, and suddenly, one day, the top 2meter or so have nothing left underneath and the sinkhole opens up. It makes sense that this happens when there is more rain than usual (top layer gets heavier) or an earthquake.
You can also see the phenomenon in smaller scale if you look at a plain that has been marshy or very waterlogged in the past, and then drained by (stupid) humans to create pasture or fields for crops. In different places, this creates landslides (on slopes) or small sinkholes (on flat areas), just because the hydrological pressure that kept the level of the ground up has now dissapeared (it has been drained away).
The traces and forms of natural processes often resemble scales, circles, clawmarks etc, I see that as signs of everything's oneness. It IS eerie though, when a BIG, very circular, very deep hole suddenly opens up! And other natural phenomena (nuctilucent clouds, auroras, big waves, hurricanes, volcanos...) are too, without always having any unknown factors involved.
For what it's worth – I enjoy reading all your more imaginative hypothesis on this as well!! You never know!

 

[vinny]

Claw marks or my imagination?

ah, claw marks for sure. We need wonder no longer - this hole was made by a kind of giant robotic crow. :P

seriously though, this is one weird phenomenon!

 

[Gimpy]

Saw this article on digg a few minutes ago, thought I'd add it to the pile:

http://news.discovery.com/earth/dont-call-the-guatemala-sinkhole-a-sinkhole.html

It discusses the geology of the valley floor the city is built on, which is pumice stone fill over bedrock....not good! The geologist is calling it a "Piping feature" not a "sinkhole".

Sounds hinky to me still, but the article includes measurements of the current hole in question.

 

[Mona]

Thanks to all for your input in this discussion and for all the images, they are very helpful.
I also thought this really strange when I read the article, but the more I study the images, the more I find it to resemble the sinkholes I've seen in Lot (French region) and also in Abel Tasman national park New Zealand – both limestone country, as I understand this part of Guatemala is.
Limestone easily erodes, and the lower part of the regolith becomes sandy and instable, and crumbles down into lower areas of the ground, and suddenly, one day, the top 2meter or so have nothing left underneath and the sinkhole opens up. It makes sense that this happens when there is more rain than usual (top layer gets heavier) or an earthquake.
You can also see the phenomenon in smaller scale if you look at a plain that has been marshy or very waterlogged in the past, and then drained by (stupid) humans to create pasture or fields for crops. In different places, this creates landslides (on slopes) or small sinkholes (on flat areas), just because the hydrological pressure that kept the level of the ground up has now dissapeared (it has been drained away).
The traces and forms of natural processes often resemble scales, circles, clawmarks etc, I see that as signs of everything's oneness. It IS eerie though, when a BIG, very circular, very deep hole suddenly opens up! And other natural phenomena (nuctilucent clouds, auroras, big waves, hurricanes, volcanos...) are too, without always having any unknown factors involved.
For what it's worth – I enjoy reading all your more imaginative hypothesis on this as well!! You never know!

Pippi, you are making a valid point, it just could be a natural erosion of the limestone. However, just imagine that anything could be possible, even that which sounds and looks or acts impossible. Well, if the human/alien/psychopath's mind could do such a thing as to cause an earthquake in Haiti with a space based weapon, then why could not this sinkhole be just another testing site? I think of nothing being impossible today. Maybe last year I was still a little naive and hopeful, but this year, the 2010 year is for some reason exceptional in so many ways. Just to give you an example, I was listening to Rutherford's radio show this morning which airs in Calgary. He had an expert on infectious diseases on the show and they were discussing how effective the swine flu vaccination program was in Alberta. Only 35% of Albertans got vaccinated, which was the lowest in the country. This expert said that the vaccination program was actually a "training exercise" for the real pandemic. Yes, you heard me, a training exexercise. So then, Rutherford asked him how we did based on a percentage and the expert replied that he would give us a C+. So, there you have it, we are just guine pigs to them, that's all, and therefore we can be used as guine pigs in whatever training exercises they feel like putting us through. And that is no longer a laughing matter to me. People everywhere are going nuts, just today, a mother brought her child to a children's hospital in Calgary after trying to kill it by strangeling it. Fortunately the kid survived and the mother was taken into custody. Then another mother in Winnipeg stabbed her 4 month old and 9 year old kids; her excuse was that she was suffering from a postpartum depression. These things used to be unheard of, and all of a sudden it is becoming normal for parents to kill their kids, for our government to use us as guine pigs without our approval, for our technologically advanced few to use weapons of mass destruction wherever they please etc. This is just total stupid madness. Pippi, we don't know what caused this sinkole, thought I wish I knew. If we had a crystal ball that could solve all these unsolved mysteries for us then everything would become much more clear.
I wish, here goes the wishful thinking again that never works, erosion did cause this sinkhole, because dying under the hands of nature sounds more fair than under the hands of insane humanoids.

 

[Pippi]

Hi Mona and others,

Pippi, we don't know what caused this sinkole, thought I wish I knew. If we had a crystal ball that could solve all these unsolved mysteries for us then everything would become much more clear.
I wish, here goes the wishful thinking again that never works, erosion did cause this sinkhole, because dying under the hands of nature sounds more fair than under the hands of insane humanoids.

I do recognize the insanity of the dominant death-culture civilization, through vaccines and all the other poisoning activities on our minds and bodies, that has been going on for a long time now, and the hyperdimensional links for it and our psychological addiction to this very culture. It is not simply wishful thinking that this be just a natural geological feature, even though I totally agree in your wishes . I just wanted to share the conclusion I had come to after a little investigation, as I like to research the potential causes of earth changes.
Of course, nothing can disprove the hypothesis of a giant mole, unless we find the mole in question and ask him if he didi it ! ;D No, just joking here!

As far as I understan now, the ground under this particular part of Guatemala City is pumice – also very prone to underground erosion, creating this kind of geological feature. Total insanity, though, to build a city on such loose ground! Part of the suicidal/death-tendencies of civilisation, imho.
Have a look at this article also:http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-01/sinkhole-in-guatemala-city-might-not-be-the-last/?cid=hp:mostpopular8

 

[Tigersoap]

Not that it has the size of the holes depicted here, but two large holes appeared in the same area yesterday and blocked the traffic in Brussels.
It's suposedely all a "coincidence" but a few houses got huge cracks in their walls or brickes fell to the floor and a water deviation cracked up and inundated a large portion of a street in the last 6 months.

Something is up, tremors in the ground ? I don't know.

Just thought I'd mention it.

 

[JEEP]

Not that it has the size of the holes depicted here, but two large holes appeared in the same area yesterday and blocked the traffic in Brussels.
It's suposedely all a "coincidence" but a few houses got huge cracks in their walls or brickes fell to the floor and a water deviation cracked up and inundated a large portion of a street in the last 6 months.

Maybe all instances are just more "symptoms" of the earth "opening up", which will ultimately be plenty scary even without fearsome giant clawing moles!

http://www.culture24.org.uk/science+%2526+nature/animals/art32835