Sungazing

[the+other+ben]

Recently I have stumbled across this weird tehnique. People who have mastered it claim to be able to exist solely on solar energy not needing solid food anymore, they also claim sun energy rejuvenates your body, and enhances your spirit as well as your mind...

I've read about sun gazing, too, and I also think that it's disinformation. However, I do think sunlight is beneficial to the human body in many ways and in fact helps balance and regulate many of our body's systems. Take it's effect on our sleep cycle, for example.

Ultraviolet light, plenty of which reaches the Earth's surface, isn't good for the body. [...] Too much sunshine on certain skin types might lead to skin cancer.

That's the commonly accepted view of UV light, sure. Have you considered that in certain circumstances, UV light might not be harmful and perhaps might be beneficial in measured amounts? There are also different types of UV light to take into account. For your consideration:

As early as 1941 a Dr Frank Apperley reported statistics showing that death rates for certain internal cancers increase with distance from the equator. He found that cancer deaths across North America and Canada in cities between 30 and 40 degrees latitude averaged 85% higher overall cancer deaths rates compared with those between 10 and 30 degrees; cities between 40 and 50 degrees averaged 118% higher and those between 50 and 60 degrees averaged 150% higher (Cancer Res 1941;1:191-5).

Regarding colon cancer, Drs Frank and Cedric Garland reported that mortality from it decreased in areas in the US with greater sun exposure (Int J Epid 1980;9(3):227-31). In a further study they showed that the chances of women in areas of the US with less available sunlight dying of breast cancer were 40% higher than those who lived in Hawaii or Florida (Prev Med 1990;19:614-22). World-wide, the lowest rates for breast and colon cancer occur in the Caribbean, South and Central America, and South Asia.

Reviewing 50 years of studies on cancer and the sun, Dr Gordon Ainsleigh concluded that the benefits of regular sun exposure considerably outweighed the risks of squamous-basal skin cancer, accelerated ageing and melanoma (Prev Med 1992;22:132-40). In the prostate, the vitamin D hormone has been shown to be an inhibitor of abnormal cell growth, and cells in the colon and breast have similar mechanisms for using this hormone.

AND:

There is no doubt that the incidence of skin cancers (see Types of skin cancer ) has increased over the past few decades and that over-exposure to the sun can cause premature ageing of the skin. However, almost all non-melanomas are curable and the number of deaths in 2001 in the whole of the UK was only 257 and 226 for men and women, respectively, against over 59,000 new cases that year out of a total population of perhaps 30 million sunbathers!

For the far more dangerous malignant melanoma, the totals were only 856 for men and 792 for women. Set against total deaths for all cancers for 2001 of 80,035 and 74,422 respectively (Cancer Research UK), the annual death rates for non-melanomas and melanoma combined represent a very low percentage indeed, especially when compared with the major cancers (eg. prostate, colon, lung, breast) - at just 1.39 and 1.36 percent!!

To judge by the Cancer Research UK's website, the impression given is that the sun is the overwhelming, direct cause of both types. But growing evidence about factors such as chlorine in water, artificial lighting and diet - the word 'diet' or 'vitamin D' is not even mentioned on the website - tells a different story. Why, for example, is the incidence of melanoma on the Orkney and Shetland Isles, north of Scotland, 10 times that on Mediterranean islands (Science 1991;254:114-5)?

From my research, diet has something to do with how the body responds to the sun. In fact, one of the contributing factors to the chronic illness I've been battling the last 5-6 years is lack of sunshine exposure. Being a computer geek stuck in a basement for 8 hours a day for 10 years (and with little outdoor activity in my off time) has it's cumulative effects.

Also interesting is this:

Sunlight - the ultimate detoxifier? excerpted from Daylight Robbery - The Importance of Sunlight to Health by Dr. Damien Downing (Chapter 13)

t is only the Russians who have fully appreciated this effect of sunlight and put it to use. Their experiments showed that animals exposed to the correct doses of sunlight were capable of clearing a wide range of toxins out of their system considerably quicker than animals reared away from the sun. The toxins that they studied included quartz and coal dusts, toxic minerals such as lead, cadmium and mercury, liver poisons such as carbon tetrachloride, and the neurotoxins which these days are so heavily used worldwide as pesticides. They found that sunlight speeded up the clearance of toxins from the body twice to as much as twenty times. The best effect was obtained when sunlight exposure had started some time before exposure to the toxin.

References: Gabovich, R.D., et al., 'Effect of Ultraviolet Radiation on Tolerance of the Organism to Chemical Substances', Vestn Akad Med Nauk SSSR: 3; 26-28, 1975.

I fail to understand how the Sun can provide the things a body needs, like protein, vitamins, minerals, and water. None of that is available in sunlight.

Agreed. However, sunlight itself may be considered a nutrient--that is, a "substance that provides nourishment essential for growth and the maintenance of life". I know it's not commonly accepted as such since we don't assimilate light the same way we do food.

Seems to me that if you stare at the Sun too much you'd go blind.

Galileo found out the hard way!

I think what the so-called masters have mastered in this case is the art of deception.

I do agree with the original poster's thoughts regarding the PTB's "demonization" of the sun. We've been influenced through various means to believe the sun is nothing but bad for us, and if we *have* to be outside we *must* slather ourselves with sunscreen! I'm curious if anyone wonders what chemicals or substances are absorbed by the body through constant application of sunscreen and if they are any more or less harmful than sunlight itself. I only wear the stuff if I absolutely have no way to regulate my exposure naturally (this amounts to just a few times a year).

C's said something about sunlight too:

If I'm not mistaken, there was some "corruption" of the C's material during the time period of the transcript you referenced so that's something to keep in mind. All I can say is at least in my case, the beneficial effects of sunlight seem to outweigh the negative effects. I've been experimenting this summer with getting at least 40-60 minutes of direct sunshine a day (in my shorts, no shirt for maximum exposure) and so far one of my symptoms has completely disappeared and another has reduced somewhat. I've noted some positive psychological effects as well.

Just some "food" for thought. :)

--Ben

 

[Z...]

Contemplating is all right, but you seem to be overly excited about this sun gazing malarky. It's not going to feed you. But it might make your vision really bad, or blind you completely.

Do you know this for sure? Have you tried it or you just expressing you beliefs.
Overly excited is just your diagnosis, please dont do that- not good for comunication...

It wouldn't solve all our problems. How can you even think that? Unless of course your perspective of problems is entirely centered around getting food more easily

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Based on what you just said I can deduce that your approach to this subject is slightly superficial.
If we accept that source of all our problems is OTS then it is quite clear that it all starts from the way how we feed. The way I see it no OTO being can feed on other consicencious beings and also it can't expect not to be food for others as long as it continues to do so.

http://dadamo.com

applying your logic why would that link be more reliable source of information then htpp://sungazing.com
I happen to know blood type of few people who have been vegetarians for decades
none of them has AB blood type.

 

[j0da]

Oh, I remember.. I've almost swallowed the hook of sungazing right after I stumbled over the Peak Oil SCAM. Overwhleming scarcity of food seems to be a problem? Not anymore! We have sungazing! Even NASA was supposedly conducting research on some guy, who claimed to live only by staring into the sun. "It would help our astronauts, you know!"

Considering the connections between different disinformation sources, the fact that sungazing was promoted by Peak Oil bunch in several places I'd stick to my everyday portion of good ole organic food.

 

[anart]

applying your logic why would that link be more reliable source of information then htpp://sungazing.com
I happen to know blood type of few people who have been vegetarians for decades
none of them has AB blood type.

Again, here you are being manipulative. No one ever said that vegetarians HAVE to be type AB. No one, including the website Mark linked, ever said that all type AB people are vegetarians.

I know people who have found the information on the 'blood type' diet to exactly match their own dietary habits and needs, and I have known people who have looked into it and said that it didn't correlate with their own experience or diets.

Here's an idea, since you are so enamoured of this sungazing idea. How about if you only sungaze for the next month and don't take in any other sort of food? Then, after conducting this experiment, let us know your results. Also, you may want to consider Joda's input on this as well, as it seems to be pretty spot on.

If we accept that source of all our problems is OTS then it is quite clear that it all starts from the way how we feed. The way I see it no OTO being can feed on other consicencious beings and also it can't expect not to be food for others as long as it continues to do so.

It took me a while to figure out what you were trying to say here, since I'm not familiar with OTO or OTS, but I assume you mean STO and STS - so, with that premise, how is it 'quite clear' that it 'all starts' with how we feed?? This makes little sense to me, that it would 'all start' with how we feed, wouldn't it make more sense that how we feed is a result or circumstance of where, what and who we are? I realize we feed - but why does it 'start' with that?

Also, it's my understanding that in an STO environment, as much as it can be explained to those of us in an STS environment (which is not very well), everyone serves everyone else so no one goes without - it has much less to do with 'feeding' than with, in a certain way, 'being fed' - although the semantics are difficult and not exactly appropriate. My point is that you seem to be stuck on the idea that STO beings will need to be feeding and that, since you perceive the sun to be a source of energy, that it would follow that STO beings would feed on the sun - I'm afraid that I am having a very hard time following that logic. It seems to be yet another case of applying 3D thinking to a hypothesized 4D situation.

You seem to be taking words and concepts and using them in whatever way you choose to make your point, even when the words and concepts concerned have no relation to what you're saying.

Ultimately, it's all just imagination at this point, since we are in a 3D STS environment, so wouldn't our energy be better used to figure out the details of where we are now, instead of wondering about what will happen if an hypothesized 'change' occurs?

 

[Mark]

Ultraviolet light, plenty of which reaches the Earth's surface, isn't good for the body. [...] Too much sunshine on certain skin types might lead to skin cancer.

That's the commonly accepted view of UV light, sure. Have you considered that in certain circumstances, UV light might not be harmful and perhaps might be beneficial in measured amounts? There are also different types of UV light to take into account. For your consideration:

All this is irrelevant to the original topic of staring at the frelling sun!

 

[Charles]

It is not the first time that I am confronted with these sun gazers. Back then there were things in it that made me "conclude" not to reject it entirely. And still ... even now, there are things that attract me. Like a possible connection to biophotons, and how these could explain the speed with which chemical reactions are happening in our bodies in contrast to ... say a test tube, and this despite any increase in temperature. Sound is to bells like resonant "light" is to physico-chemical changes of molecules, electron states, membranes, DNA and what not. We do not see this "light" with our normal eyes. This is definitely a possibility that should not be excluded.

What I don't believe is that these sun gazers would be able to survive with a physical body without eating anything. They will inevitable lose molecules (or specific rare atoms) for which they will have to find a new intake.
From a reference originally referenced by Deckard:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/81455-1/

Doctors at a regional center of nontraditional medicine of the Dnepr region comment in a cautious way on Dolgoruky's experiment. According to them, the sun and space energy have nothing to do with the case. The man drinks a few liters of beverages to sustain his body's activities. Doctors say such foodstuffs as milk, tea, honey have everything our body needs to get on a regular basis. Those beverages contain calcium, protein, carbohydrates and microelements. His body got cleansed and overhauled thanks to a slag-free diet and a healthy life style. Not to mention his power of autosuggestion and his strong will - those qualities cemented the positive results.

Now that could be closer to the truth I think.

Still it is also worth to see the danger as to how people can become trapped in "doing" nonsensical things (sungazing their way), thus being deprived of using their mind in a constructive way (in conjunction with the heart remember) to discern of what is going on in this world.


And now for something completely different.

It was triggered by this:

How has the control system done everything to alienate us from the sun? Please explain in detail.

Well I dont know about you but during last few decades I have fallen victim to beleif which is constantly promoted in through media and science that the sun is evil, that it causes skin cancer and demaging mutations in your body. We still dont know if this is complete truth or not, I am refering to the statistic pointing out that beach life guards rarely suffer from skin cancer.

In detail even? All we have is hunches. And I am with Deckard and the other Ben in this. The "UV will give you cancer" is a scam comparable to the cholesterol scam IMO. Also, it is good to remember that melanoma is a rather rare cancer.
Apart from personal experiences of the beneficial effect of sunlight, the inconsistencies of the official story, and certain information I had read in the past, a month ago I got more than a hunch.
A good friend, while visiting me, at a certain point asked me whether I had pigmented spots. So I said yes, of course, I have less as when I was young (the typical freckles) only now they are a little bigger. At that time he pulled his T-shirt away, and showed me his. Gosh they are indeed big, and heightened. He told me that they have this thing in the family, and that he and his brother have always hidden their torso from the sun. He also told me that he definitely doesn't want to use any of those sun screens as he doesn't trust any of those products. I also noticed though that he did NOT have any of those spots on his arms, his face, and his legs, all area's that he did expose to sunlight. The spots in exposed areas were not comparable at all. It was not the first time that he was caught by such realization, and I saw the amazement as he sort of relived such weird uhuh, which started us off on an exchange of several ideas.
Later I send him this e-mail (leaving only relevant things):
This is a link:
http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=442

The entire article is worth reading. As a pretreat some snippets:

"Holick says: '[I was] punished for challenging one of the dogmas of dermatology. It's almost like a religion in the sense that you're either a believer or you're not. If your thinking isn't in line with establishment thinking, they don't just get upset; they stop thinking clearly. It was the "without sun-block" bit that they didn't like. Apparently, it's forbidden to tell people to go out without sun-block.'"

"Ackerman said: 'Taken as a whole, the research [linking sun exposure to melanoma] is inconsistent and fails to make the case.' He noted research showing that the most common sites for melanoma among white people - the back of legs and arms in women, and the back in men - are places that accumulate the least amount of sun over a lifetime. In black and Asian people, the most common sites for melanoma are the soles of the feet and the palms of the hands: again, areas that are not regularly exposed to the sun."

"Recent studies indicate a higher rate of melanoma among men who regularly use sunscreens and a higher rate of basalcell carcinoma among women using sunscreens. The accumulated evidence is now so strong that a June 2004 editorial in the prestigious journal Archives of Dermatology concluded that there was simply no evidence to support the idea that sun creams were effective protection against melanoma."

In his response he told me that in the US these days there were even TV "info"mercials that were urging black afro-americans to use sufficient sun-screen lotions in case they would be outdoors. Products products products. And the UV link with corresponding hole. That too is something that fits with the oil peak scam is it not.

 

[Mark]

Contemplating is all right, but you seem to be overly excited about this sun gazing malarky. It's not going to feed you. But it might make your vision really bad, or blind you completely.

Do you know this for sure? Have you tried it or you just expressing you beliefs.
Overly excited is just your diagnosis, please dont do that- not good for comunication...

Smart people learn from their own mistakes, geniuses learn from the mistakes of others. In this case I'll take the genius route. So I won't be staring at the sun. Sheesh.

It wouldn't solve all our problems. How can you even think that? Unless of course your perspective of problems is entirely centered around getting food more easily

.
Based on what you just said I can deduce that your approach to this subject is slightly superficial.
If we accept that source of all our problems is OTS then it is quite clear that it all starts from the way how we feed. The way I see it no OTO being can feed on other consicencious beings and also it can't expect not to be food for others as long as it continues to do so.

MY approach is superficial? You believe so-called hoodoo-guru-master-thingies and MY approach is superficial? Please. I gave you my opinion. Now you're running all over the place mentally. I'll indulge you once more.

The source of our problems isn't being STS (where you got OTS I have no idea -- funny that it's STO in reverse though). 3D Earth is STS - this much is glaringly obvious to anyone with more than few firing neurons. You are where you fit. If you see that as a problem then YOU are your biggest problem.

You are predominantly STS oriented. Here in 3D everything feeds on another. It cannot be completely stopped or death unsues quickly. Don't worry about 4th grade until you pass 3rd grade. Make sense? To me it does.

Thinking so-called masters are outright truthful isn't objective. Testing their claims might lead to objectivity - Truth. Or, in cases where tests might prove dangerous (as is the case with sun gazing) collecting facts might prove to be a worthwhile alternative that leads to objectivity, or close enough to form a reasonable opinion.

http://dadamo.com

applying your logic why would that link be more reliable source of information then htpp://sungazing.com
I happen to know blood type of few people who have been vegetarians for decades
none of them has AB blood type.

Good for them. Regardless, people need protein in their diets. Period. It's available in non-meat sources.

I'm tempted to tell you to go stare at the sun for a really long time and tell us how it turns out (after you adjust to blindness) ... but really, it's not a good idea.

You apparently want to debate until you can manipulate the outcome to fit your preconceived notions.

 

[Mark]

I took a look a look at the sun gazing web site home page. Here's what I saw:

welcome to the impossible, introducing the earth was flat

In November of 2002 there were some flyers put up around school (American College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, ACTCM), about an Indian man, Hira Ratan Manek (HRM), coming to lecture in Berkeley, CA. The flyer preached this man's ability to store the sun's energy in his brain. It also advertised that HRM hadn't eaten food in seven years!

Store the sun's energy in his brain? Uh, ya, right. Yet another "Indian" new age guru...

At the time I was caught up in the supernatural and the quest of enlightenment. Along with many Bay Area individuals, I owned the tapes, the books and the scented oils. I burned incense, I took classes, and although I had not taken classes on burning incense, I certainly believed there was more to life than meets the eye.

This is a ploy to re-hook those who might have tread into new age mumbo jumbo and extricated themselves.

I didn't go to the lecture. These far eastern guru types were a dime a dozen, and there was a playoff soccer match at Stanford I wanted to watch.

Translated: "Let me disarm you by making you think I saw through it at first but then realized that I'm stupid for not seeing it's real. So if YOU don't see it's real too then you're stupider than I ever was." Again, more re-hooking attempts.

But some of my classmates went to HRM's lecture, and felt he was genuine.

This "feeling" crap is, well, crap. Errr, a trap. Trying to get you to identify with "feelings" instead of relying on your intellect. In other words, it gets you to think emotionally, which we find is incorrect use of our centers (physical/motor, emotional, intellectual).

He lectured on world peace, struggling and suffering.

So what did he say in this alleged lecture? We're aren't told. Instead readers are led into a sympathy ploy where first they pull on people's conscience then immediately shift into feeding. Again, muddying the thinking with emotions.

He spoke of hungers; does your hunger control you or do you control your hungers? Not just hungers for food but hungers in general.

Now that he's got your thinking muddied he makes you think your conscience (which gives rise to sympathy and empathy) should identify your sympathy/empathy with food. What a twist! Linguisitic programming, even if it's amateur.

Why do we make the choices we make? This Indian gentleman explained that world peace begins with the individual. HRM said if we could exist without hunger, then we would have no suffering. He suggested that one way to experience peace was to embrace the sun. His formula was simple: either at sunrise or sunset (when the intensity of the sun is at its minimum) stand on the earth and stare directly at the sun for 10 seconds. Adding an additional 10 seconds to the total sungazing time each consecutive day. In 6 months your hungers would be under control and understood. Stand there for 10 months you would never need food again. Not only that, but, you would not have to stare at the sun again. After 44 minutes of sungazing one would be 'full', energized, just like a solar charged battery. There was no need to continue the practice. Essentially, HRM preached to the world that within one year, anyone could learn to live without the need for food.

Now he moves on to more of this confusion of your thinking with a broad question that in reality has no simple answer. This again blows your intellect away and causes emotions to take over the thinking process, because it's easier to "feel" helpless and confused and than it is to THINK.

I was told that a few by-products of the sungazing practice included: a decrease in irritability, a decrease in anger, a decrease in frustration and an increase in memory. Not to mention bold claims of complete relief from all disease. Hey now, where do I sign up? I was open to anything that could potentially decrease my frustrations regarding relationships and increase my ability to remember my neighbors name.

"I was told" ... He expects you to trust him, and unfortunately, many people (veritable sheep) obviously do to some extent.

Well, I was game.

"Are YOU game, or are you too stupid to see the light?"

Insulting. Of course some people probably register it as as challenge to their personality.

Freedom from all illness by staring directly into the sun during sunrise or sunset. Bring it on.

Oh well that's telling. You're either with us sun gazers or you're against us.

My parents and teachers have shared with me many of their don'ts in life: no smoking, no drinking, no speeding, no sex, no, no, no. I am sure the 'don't stare into the sun, it will burn your eyes!' was on the list.

Now he appeals to your rebelious side, and who doesn't have one of those? For most people I suspect it's largely driven by emotional thinking.

In fact, the fear of burning one's eyes seems relatively universal. Ironically, while the 'no drinking' and 'no sex' suggestions didn't seem to stick, the command, 'don't stare at the sun', has had some real staying power. People will pour alcohol down their throats, but one mention of staring directly into the sun and they stop listening.

"You drink, you've smoke cigarettes. You aren't dead yet. So trust me, staring at the sun is no different." Trust me, believe me, he says, in so many words. Like a snake staring down a mouse.

If HRM's eyes were ok, I thought maybe mine would be fine as well (in fact, his lecture mentioned the ability of sungazing to heal many visual impairments). I lugged myself out of bed, walked a few blocks away to Holly Park, stared at the rising sun for 10 seconds and went back to bed. The next day I gazed for 20 seconds, then 30 then 40. As I increased the amount of time staring into the sun certain physical sensations were beyond words. Sungazing became an obsession. There were occasions where I would get up at 4:30am, hike an hour in the chill of the approaching dawn to a ridge, just to stare at the sun for 3 minutes.

Guilt trip ploy and an "I'm special" ploy. He suffers walking in the chill, you lay in your warm bed.

Is this conceivable? Could the problem of world hunger have such a simple solution? Could it actually be possible to live without food? For years people were ostracized for stating the world was round. Throughout different parts of our history there has been discourse when people challenged the norm. For centuries scientists have been locked away, doctors put in jail and witches hunted. What are we all afraid of?

More gobbley gook playing on your self-importance and rebelious nature.

Sungazing is free to everyone on earth. Without prejudice or judgment the sun rises each day for all of us to witness. The implications are enormous, could a planet without the need for food include peace? Imagine, John Lennon's words having a chance to ring true: 'imagine all the people living life in peace'.

Appeals to your self-importance again. "It's free, and they're keeping it from you. You have a right to it. Go take it. They can't stop you." Plus the low blow (via hijacking John Lennon) to your conscience again.

Another unique quality of this practice is it's brevity. Nine months to a year and that's it. You don't have to pledge the next 40 years of your life to a master sweeping their ashram. HRM has promised a lot. However, if his claims hold water, then yes, the implications are staggering. Our global economy is not ready, society is not ready, are you ready?

"Society isn't ready. Although you're part of society nevermind that society isn't ready. Are you ready?" More insulting drivel and appeals to your self-importance and rebelious nature, plus a big dose of the old "I'm special" crap hoping you think you are.

Visualize your day without the need for food. No time spent on: cooking, shopping, preparing, eating, cleaning, reading or thinking about food. Never having a sick day, suddenly endless hours of free time to pursue your dreams. It is overwhelming. Sungazing causes hungers to diminish. How does this happen? There are many theories, some of which include understanding the power of light as well as quantum physics. How is it possible? Why is it possible?

Boy, this is a big slap in the face. Now he directly assumes you're stupid. Power of light? Quantum physics? He's basically saying "you're too uneducated to understand so just trust me."

To read more about my experiences with HRM's 44 minute protocol as well as other insights into health and healing, feel free to purchase a copy of the earth was flat. To see the cover of the book and read about its contents go here.

More programming: Staring at the sun is related to health and healing.

He's selling a book -- who'd a guessed it!

Send him $17.84 for the paperback or $27.89 for hard bound version and you too can be special and transcend or ascend, or at least find belly button lint during your contemplations!

The Earth was Flat: Insight into the Ancient Practice of Sungazing
http:// xlibris com / bookstore / bookdisplay.asp ? bookid = 26909

In its pages, The Earth Was Flat explains that anything is possible and to evolve humans must dissolve subtle energy blocks that prevent them from experiencing their true potential. In achieving the impossible, man must work through and surrender various emotions in order to achieve the transformation required for miraculous achievements. With such alterations people can actually stretch the preconceived limits of their minds, bodies, and spirits.

Yet another subtle ploy, now that you're thinking emotionally he can outright say "give up your resistance and trust me." This also serves to make you think negative emotions are worthless, when in fact we find that in reality they are incredibly valuable when used properly.

"There is a disinformation program for literally everyone no matter who you are and what your interests are, what your beliefs are, which way you're focusing, there is a Web site set up just for you to take you in and to vector your thinking and your attention into the way that they want you to think." - Laura Knight-Jadczyk

This sun gazing junk is yet another example of just how true that statement really is.

 

[Z...]

OTS is the term we use in my language meaning orientation towards self which is more or less the same thing as service to self, I actually got confused
but the most important thing is that you understood....

I dont know about you Mark but I do feel that my biggest problem indeed is living in STS world. Personally I dont think I fit in it perfectly and I would like to experience different reality.

What is really your point - we are 3 D earth beings and we should revel in it?

You are predominantly STS oriented. Here in 3D everything feeds on another. It cannot be completely stopped or death unsues quickly. Don't worry about 4th grade until you pass 3rd grade. Make sense? To me it does.

Since you frequently resorting CS transcripts you will probably remeber that ther is mention of 3D worlds with STO beings. What do they feed on?!

Just out of couriosity - how are you expecting to pass 3rd grade? By doing nothing to enhance yourself, just sitting there, quoting CS and being cynical about everything around you?

Sweeping statements dont help either...In any case good luck on your genius route :)


Btw case thanks for your contribution about sungazing mark
Its good to have counterbalance so its very much appreciated. :)

 

[Z...]

Quote: " Doctors at a regional center of nontraditional medicine of the Dnepr region comment in a cautious way on Dolgoruky's experiment. According to them, the sun and space energy have nothing to do with the case. The man drinks a few liters of beverages to sustain his body's activities. Doctors say such foodstuffs as milk, tea, honey have everything our body needs to get on a regular basis. Those beverages contain calcium, protein, carbohydrates and microelements. His body got cleansed and overhauled thanks to a slag-free diet and a healthy life style. Not to mention his power of autosuggestion and his strong will - those qualities cemented the positive results."
Now that could be closer to the truth I think

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I totally agree with you, all these sungazers appear to be on some sort of liqid diets.

(in conjunction with the heart remember)

This should be in bold

 

[Z...]

Fact:
- UV and IR index is at its lowest ( around zero) during the so called safe hours ( 1 h before sunset and 1 h after sunrise). This can easily be checked with photocards used to measure the quantity of UV and IR rays.

Fact:
- The intensity of sunlight during safe hours is the same as intensity of TV ot PC screens adapted to the distance from which we are watching -
average human being spends 3 hours a day watching TV, we dont know how much avareage person spends in front of PC screen. Still I dont see that many blind people walking around.

Fact:
-There is about 18000 scientific studies which indicate that activity of pinneal gland has increased within last few decades.
Pinneal gland is considered by most ancient civilisations to be "The Throne of the Soul". Today and after all those studies we are still not sure about the function of this gland. Up until recently nobody studied its structure in great detail. Today we know the histological structure of this gland which tells us that nerve endings of pinneal glan end in optic fibers. Coincidence?!

Fact:
- Plants utilise sun energy in the proces of photosynthesis. They use molecule called Chlorophil ( which gives them green colour) for this purpose.
Human body never ceases to amaze us. Why would it be so far fetched that it is indeed capable of photosinthesis through some biochemical structures other than chlorophyl.
100 hundreds years ago we were totally unaware of our digestive enzymes. That doesnt mean they never existed!

Fact:
There are may references to the sun as a sole source of energy for human beings, some of them thousands of years old and some recent - in 1922 there is a reference by Imperial Medical College in London. Unfortunately it is very obscure.
In his book "Autobiography of Jogi" Jogananda interviews multitude of mystics, hermits and jogis. When asked about their ability to exist without food the most frequent answer is that sun energy has entered the secret door and reached the essence ( base) of the brain...This is all they are willing to share with us.
And why should they reveal more, do we deserve everything served on a silver plate?!

 

[moonwalker]

I've spoken to a few of the sungazing crowd and done a far bit of research on it and considering the history of sungazing or solar yoga (the Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, India/Yogic/Hindu traditions all seemed to involve sungazing) I believe there is something to it. I also find it interesting that Deckard was singled out for his reaction or emotional investment in sungazing when Mark in my opinion had an equal emotional investment in the topic, he seemed to go straight in to debunking mode along with others claiming disinformation and then Cyre comes in saying he thinks it is all poppycock although to his credit he did mention that individuals who claim this ability should be studied, which has been done (see below).

It's easy to dismiss these practices and many of you think it's not relevent to the work, which is fair enough I suppose, I will say though my interest in it was a remark made by the C's which said when you no longer need to eat/crave food/physicality (I don't remember exactly) then you will no longer need to be in 3D.

I know that according to many experts within Western medicine, sun gazing may be harmful to the eyes, possibly even resulting in long-term serious damage but I don't think it is as clear cut as that. I've often gazed at sunsets and sunrises before I even knew about sungazing so the "safe" time windows of the first 1/2 hour after official sunrise or the last 1/2 hour before official sunset make sense to me.

Remember it is possible that each individual has a different genetic code and also each body has different physical capabilities. Hence, one may be able to receive this Solar energy more readily, can transform & store it in a better way & also can utilize more efficiently & even recycle it - while other person may not be able to do it to the same extent.

As to how it may be possible to survive without eating anything I'd like to quote what I think is a reasonable
hypothesis. This from a study done on Hira Ratan Manek (the NASA guy) by Dr. Sudhir V. Shah, a neurologist as well other clinicians. I'll post all references as to who was involved in the study at the bottom. It's quite long so I've put in bold the hypothesis.

PROLONGED FASTINGS-HOW IS IT POSSIBLE - A HYPOTHESIS

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Introduction:

Recently a historical and amazing incidence took place in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India. A gentleman called Shri Hira Ratan Manek(H.R.M.) aged 64 , a mechanicalengineer residing at Calicut, originally belonging to Kutch., Gujarat, has just accomplished a remarkable record- a world record, by doing continuous fasting for 411 days, as per jain tradition.(i.e. taking only boiled water during day time and just no other food or liquids). He had done similar jain fasting for 211 days in 1995-96. This time, he started fasting on 1.1.2000. The unique thing, was that this time he was under continuous day to day medical checking and elaborate medical testing- with a critical evaluation by a team of expert doctors, representing various fraternities of medical science including family physicians, physicians, cardiologist, neurologist, endocrinologist, surgeon, pathologists, genetician, radiologists e.t.c. Also from time to time several teams of physicists, chemists, biochemists, physiologists and several doctors from all different specialities from India as well as abroad have spent time to meet him, examine him. All of them have been impressed with the genuinity of fasting but every body is wondering how this has become possible. You will agree, that as per today's scientific knowledge, this is just not possible and it is extremely difficult to explain this happening, even if the man is taken as superman or genetically a different human being. We now know of about atleast 200 people living without food , on this earth.

The author of this hypothesis, was also the part of medical team and must have met and examined him several times during his unique fasting. The author also ,like any scientist had real sceptic behaviourtowards this gentleman and had really taken this gentleman totoughest and most critical -analytic check(keeping in a nursing home more than a month, isolating him in a cube , not allowing any of his relative to stay with him etc) and all other doctors also had scrupulous checking. All of us are fully convinced about the genuinity and really are wonderstuck. Having satisfied fully with the genuinity , the team suddenly realized that the ball was inthe cot of doctors- as now they had to explain, how this gentleman could do this and that too like a normal man he talks a, moves around, meets people, gives lectures and talks intelligently and quite logically i.e. all his systems are normal including cognition.

Ultimately, the job was left tothe author to try to hypothesize something.

The author had accepted it. But he realized that he was in deep waters. Its one the most difficult tasks, he had ever had in the past. Really speaking, this is a subject of occultism and spiritual science, and hence our experimental science had natural limitations. Sothe author has tried to evolve a hypothesis, which starts with logic, then available scientific knowledge is applied and ultimately again logic leading to "Speculative VISION" is applied. Hence, he does not claim that things presented here are all the way scientific, but he assures you a great experience, opening up "the dialogues" and assures that you will have a chance to examine several fantastic possibilities. Who knows truth may unfold itself in coming years, from these possibilities. The author has already received several queries from internet, after floating it on the same.

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THE HYPOTHESIS


This is indeed unique. You will agree that such a prolonged continuous Jain fasting for religious (Spread of Ahimsa and other high mottos) & scientific purposes (to create awarness about Sun-energy) & also aimed at solution of four way human crisis (Physical, Mental, food & neurological) under scrupulous daily medical supervision is unheard of. It's just fantastic, and absolutely amazing, but this is not a myth. It's not happening in Himalayas or distant jungles; it is happening in Ahmedabad, Gujarat (India) in the continuous presence of public & under strict medical check & supervision by team of expert doctors.

There is no reason to be sceptic; one may personally come and himself or herself check & scrutinize; as we doctors have done all these months & fellow men have been staying with him all throughout. Several visitors also see him throughout the day and night. No body ever had encountered even a doubtful situation. All of them have been satisfied with the genuinity. Even he was kept in a nursing home for more than a month for a critical checking as well as medical tests. He has been isolated from his relatives who are staying at Calicut . He is kept in a two room flat, which is totally devoid of any kind of food.

Several doctors from India, Gujarat, Ahmedabad and abroad have from time to time examined and are unable to explain the scientific basis from current clinical knowledge, while declaring the genuinity of fasting. A team of medical doctors have supervised (medical examination as well as laboratory tests) throughout these fasting. This comprise of Dr. Sudhir Shah M.D.,D.M.(neuro), Dr. Nalin Gheewala M.D., Dr. Viresh Patel M.D., Dr. Navneet Shah M.D.(Physician and endocrinologist), Dr. K.K.Shah M.S. Gen.Surgery, Dr.Kalpesh Shah M.D.Radiologist, Dr. Gaurgey Sutaria Radiologist, Dr. Jayesh Sheth, Dr. P G. Shah, Dr. Prakash Doshi , (family physician) and several others.

Today, it is 411th day of Shri Hira Ratan Manek'sfasting. (on Dt. 14th Februry 2001) He started fasting from 1.1.2000. He is on total fasting as per Jainism. He is consuming only boiled water daily between 11 a.m.to 4 p.m. only and no other liquids and just no other food, No I\V or I\Minjections.Medical checkup commenced few days before fasting programme & is continued till to day. It consists of daily written record of pulse, blood pressure, respiration, Temperature, water intake, urine output, weight etc. Relevant Hematological and biochemical (basic and few advanced) tests are done periodically i.e. monthly or fortnightly. ECGs are taken regularly. Ultra Sonography,EEG,CT.Scan and M.R.I. Brain have been taken at the end of one year and a team consisting of general practitioners physicians, surgeons, Cardiologists, endocrinologist and a neurologist have been examining him regularly and periodically from first day of fasting. Except for loss of 19 Kg weight, (Which is now stable with no further weight loss for last3 months) a slight reduction of pulse rate and B.P. and definite reduction of respiratory rate (from 18 to now 10/minute) amazingly, there is no other medical abnormality. Even the brain and mental capacities are absolutely normal. There are hardly any findings. He has stopped passing stool after 16th dayof fasting and urine output is maintained at around 600to 800 c.c. His bloodsugar is between 60 to 90. Rest of the parameters are all normal.

Most surprisingly, he had himself climbed the famous Shatrunjay mountain (Palitana hill) on 4.4.01, on 401st day of his legendary fasting along with 500 fellowmen without anybody's help, within 1.5 Hrs. only.

It is just amazing. Isn't it ?

But how do we hypothesize it ? How does science look at it ?

As per our present day scientific understanding, under normal circumstances of prolongedstarvation, (under accidental situation or extraordinarysituation,) human being looses weight fast. First carbohydrate is utilized. Then ketones appear in urine in first week. Then proteins are burnt. Later fat are mobilized from body stores and used. Before that, the person becomes dull, lethargic and irritable, his logic and reasoning fails and vital parameters fall and within 8 to 10 weeks, as per science, the physical existence will be challenged.

Here, there has been no such illeffect. How do we explain this ? How does his energy mathematics work?How he is still so intact with normal intellect, normal mental function? So far, there is no solid thesis (as this is the first event in the world, under medical supervision), there has to be some logical, scientific hypothesis. It explains quite a bit, but also leaves few questions unanswered, for all of us to further analyses. It also opens, at the same time, several new avenues for the coming time to work upon it. (e.g. issue of obesity, the possibility of cosmic energy, the functions of pineal gland )

Here, we propose a hypothesiswhich has four basic steps to explain energy-metabolic mathematics.i.e.

(1) Reducing calorie requirement by chronic adaptation.

(2) Deriving basic energy from cosmic sources-chiefly, 'sun energy'-solar energy.

(3) Utilizing the energy in the efficient way and recycling the same in hisownbody.

(4) Genetically or phenotypically a different body dis-position.



Let us discuss the proposition step by step.

(1)Chronic Adaptation Syndrome :

As the body and the mindadapts to chronic stress in a healthier way, as compared to acute stress, similarly body's adaptation must be different to chronic fasting (beyond 30 days) as compared to acute fasting (e.g. 3 to 15 days. ) No body knows which is the exact point, where body adapts chronically, but 30 days sound reasonable time though it may vary individually.This is some kind of hibernation.

The routine calorie mathematics sounds logical and applicable to acute fasting where carbohydrates break up first, ketones appear in urine and weight loss starts; fat is burnt and muscle mass reduces and vital functions and mental capacity may start slowing down. Thus in acute fasting, energy dissipated must come from stored sources of body to match 1:1 ratio of calorie consumption against utilization.

In chronic adaptation; the metabolism of body must slow down. The body needs are reduced to the minimum. This is possible by down regulation of cellular and receptor function, altering the energy metabolism to the lowest possible extent. Oxygen and water are supplied to cells as basic things, At this stage, the hunger centre will become depressed and satiety centre will be activated. So there will not be any feeling of hunger or food craving. Here hypothalamus(the master of automatic nervous system and the organ of behavior) plays an important role.

It may be possible for such an individual to do routine activity with very low amount of energy or calories as 500-600 calories, to sustain cellular metabolism. In truly hybernating animals and human beings, the energy need may go down further. Thus depending upon the activity of the individual, the energy must be provided.

At the cellular level, mitochondria may play a vital role in energy storage by proliferation. Other organelles of the cell may also help in the process of chronic adaptation.

(2) Deriving Energy from Cosmic sources - Solar Energy :

Whatever low amount of energy, that is required, must come from some source. He is only on boiled water-which as per science is having hardly any caloric value. or does it really supply some energy ? He doesn't take any type of food or liquids except boiled water. So to run the cellular metabolism and to perform daily activities, he must be deriving energy from surroundings. He is living on earth, where he is exposed to the Sun, Earth, Water, Plants and human beings and other living animals. These are the options available to him.We will call these, cosmic sources of energy.

So most likely, he is drawing energy from these cosmic sources - Cosmicenergy.Hence more correctly it is energy mathematics rather than calorie mathematics; a concept worth understanding. Out of all cosmic sources, The SUN is the most powerful & readily available source & has been used for energy, by sages & rishis since ancient time, including lord Mahavir, Tibetan lamas & other Rishis. The solar energy has two components: the light and the heat.

Mankind is also using solar energy for running solar cooker, solar heater, solar car through solar batteries etc. Similarly Shri Hira Ratan Manek(H.R.M.) has almost converted him self in to a kind of a solar cooker and has solar batteries activated in himself. The solar energy has two components, the light and the heat (temperature) Luckily India has a rich potential to become superpower as we have a constant availability of solar energy, all throughout the year.

How then SUN energy is received ? The Brain & the mind are the most powerful recipients in human body. The retina & the pineal gland (The third eye or the seat of soul as per ReneDescartes)are equipped with photoreceptor cells & may be considered photosensitive organs.

The method practiced by Shri Hira Ratan Manek : Hesuggests to look at the rising sun daily, with naked eye and without blinking the eyes, as far as possible. To look for a few seconds initially and then every week to increase by few few seconds to ultimately reach up to several minutes. Eyes and specially retina must be healthy.

As plant kingdom thrives on chlorophyll & photo synthesis, directly dependant on the Sun, similarly somekind of photosynthesisor photoanalysis must be taking place; when we hypothesize Sun energy .Throughcomplex ways& distinct pathways this energy must enter the body. Is it a direct entry in to the physical body or it enters through auras of human body (please refer karalean photography )is yet to be examined. It is quite possible that human aura plays a modulating role for allowing this energy, in to the physical body.

There is a pathway from the retina, to the hypthalamus, called the retinohypothalamic tract. This brings information about the dark & light cycles to supra chiasmatic nucleus (SCN) of the hypothalamus. From the SCN, impulses along the nerve travel via the pineal nerve (Sympathetic nervous system) to the pineal gland. These impulses inhibit the production of melatonin. When these impulses stop (at night or in dark, when the light no longer stimulates the hypothalamus) pineal inhibition caeses, & melatonin is released. The pineal gland (or the third eye ) is therefore a photosensitive organ & an important timekeeper for the human body. The unexplored process of energy synthesis & transformation from the sun energy perhaps partly occurs here :

While going through the details of recent scientific literature & also comparing it with ancient Indian spiritual texts,as well as Western occult & new age, following things are apparent.

The activation of pineal gland is the key step in psychic, spiritual & energy transformation processes.Here in this gland, energy processing & re distribution might be taking place. Pineal gland is the subtle commander of all endocrine glands, therefore controlling the humoral system. Through secretion of melatonin, it also regulates the circadian rhythm, sleep wake cycle & it also slows down aging process. It has psychic properties & is the seat of soul or mind - so called the third eye. (Possibly that is why Tilak is done in the forehead- in front of pineal and yogis do meditation with closed eyes, concentrating in between two eyebrows.

It is the Agna (Ajna) chakra of tantrik system. Its activation can be done with prolonged yoga & meditation techniques or through practice of solar energy. The later does not use classic yoga steps.

As per recent research in animals; Pineal gland also inhibits growth & metastasis of some tumors. It has a stimulatory effect on the immune system. In birds & other animals, it has a magnetic material & is therefore the navigation centre in birds. Scientists are looking at magnetic, navigatory properties of pineal gland in humans. Further, through the secretion of serotonin, it is involved in psychic experiences, synaptic transmission and several unknown powerful occult powers. A lot of research is required to validate this though some initial studies have already supported this view e.g. the chemical structure of LSD(a drug used for psychic experiences)is similar to serotonin.

So pineal activation and charging through solar energy is the vital step & that is the doorway of energy highway. This may be kundlini shakti activation, in other words.

Normal Pineal gland measures 6 x 8 mm in human body.As per C.T.Scan & MRI Scan reports of Mr. Hira Ratan Manek.it is 8 x 11 mm. (enlarged !)This may indirectly support the important role of pineal gland in energy transformation.However it is not necessary that anatomic enlargement always reflects hyperfunction . The increased hormonal secretion i.e. melatonin and serotonin levels should also be measured. Even without anatomical enlargement, there can be hyperfunction. Then we should study the pineal size and hormonal level in all psychically and spiritually evolved people or all people with extraordinary capacities.

Ever since mankind has started ignoring the psychically & Spiritually equipped pineal gland it has fallen on merely physical-material plane & therefore endless pains have fallen on the mankind.

Mankind must now relearn to activate pineal & the other psychospiritual bodies either through cosmic energy dynamics or through practice of Rajyoga or the Tantrik ways or other such practices.( One can imagine thathigh voltage energy transmission through shaktipat as occasionally yogis doto transfer energy in to their esteem disciplesmay be utilizing pinealgland or similar bodies)Kundlini Shakti is said to be activatedthrough these & happiness & bliss with peace are bound to follow.

This solar (light and heat) energy may be transformed into electrical, magnetic or chemical energies in body. Once processed, this energy must be transported & must be stored somewhere. Actually the ultimate form of all energies is light. Energy & light can be transformed in to matter & back again to energy.

Hypothalamus is the commander of autonomic nervous system & Pineal gland is in proximity to hypothalamus and is connected to it through autonomic nerves. So it is logical that new energy transportation may either activate this system or it may use this system as vehicle. Parasympathetic nerves & its hormones & chemicals may be more useful than sympathetic system. As sympathetic system increases body needs (e.g. thinking, fighting stress, excitement etc.), parasympathetic system is known to reduce the energy needs.It keeps the person serene & at mental peace and alters the metabolic requirements to a lower state & puts it to sleep. We can also hypothesize that there may be other hormones or chemicals too, involved in this complex energy transportation system. It is well known that pituitary and pineal glands are well connected through regulatory hormones and nerves. While pituitary gland expresses and controls physical body, we have seen that pineal expresses and controls mainly mental and spiritual bodies. Thus intricate balance and harmony between the two glands is very crucial point in the total (physical, mental, Emotional and spiritual) health or wellbeing of a human body and it must be any way achieved.

The role of temporal lobe & limbic system also may be important. It may work as a regulator, if not receptor and may be psychically involved in directing the energy in proper pathways.Deep into the limbic systems or in the parts of medulla oblongata, this energy may ultimately be stored & from time to time, may be recalled, charged or recycled. Medulla oblongata has all vital centres & therefore can be proposed as store of vital energy.

Thus there are energy receivers or receptors, processors, analyzers, modulators, transformers, transporters, stores (organ or bodies) etc. to explain the energy logistics.

As this form of energy mathematics is different from what we conventionally are used to, in form of food & calorie mathematics; we will call this food as microfood or mind utilization food(ManobhakshiAahar).

Here, we have discussed about the Sun energy, but one may learn to use any source from the cosmos, ie. Air, water, plants, earth ,living humans, animals etc. This may be called Surya vigyan, but equally there is Chandra vigyan and Vanaspati vigyan as mentioned in our ancient texts. Also apart from the retina &the pineal gland,skin & other senses may also be responsible for receivingenergies from these different sources. In short this opens up, tremendous possibilities, which will need a very sincere effort from us tocrystallize and to practice it for welfare ofthe mankind..

This microfoodcan solve, food crisis on earth & in fact is the only possible food in present context for somebody who wants to be a long-term space traveler or planet traveler.Amazing! It is time to note that our routine food is not the only source to sustain the body.

The role of mind : What ever said, in thisstep, (i.e. the step II of deriving the energy from the sun& transforming it in body.) the mind may be playing the crucial role. It is wellknown that the mind has enormous capacity, (The soul has even further or infinite capabilities). Through Sun Tratak & Meditation, tremendous capacities are attained, which will bring tranquility to mind and also slow down metabolism, as mentioned in step I. Mind can do every thing including so called miracles. It can revitalize body, it can heal diseases, it can know things in advance & it can manipulate laws of physics. The phenomena of telepathy, reading somebody's thoughts/ teleporting the things, bending the items, all are very wellknown examples of human mind capacities. If a strong mind decides to do unusual fasting, it can certainly do. It is unclear till this date whether mind is a separate entity or the pineal gland it self. According to some, each cell has mind and thus in other words mind is a diffuse electromagnetic and biochemical continuous process and one thing is clear, that out of all body organ, mind has a direct access to cosmic energy. Our mind is an invagivation or outpouching of cosmic mind and cosmic energy and pineal in that case would be the knob-important hub of the mind.

The faith & blessings from Yogis & Gurus have their own roles in sustaining oneself in adverse situations. On religious days, under high spirits & a cultivated atmosphere, a few people surprisingly do unusual things; like walking on fire or piercing pointed swords, through their bodies without damaging themselves. On similar lines, if some one does fasting, these blessings and faith may help to pull one through the period of physiological problems; till one enters chronic adaptation phase.

(3) Energy Economy in efficient ways and re-cycling the energy in his own body:

Those, who are chronically deprived of energy, learn to utilize the available energy in more efficient ways - so that even at the low energy state body metabolism and vital functions including nervous system do not suffer. This is quite logical & one can imagine this happening in the individuals caught in natural calamities, or those left alone in the seaor survivors of high altitudes after plane crash etc... managingto live for several days or weeks, without food.

Also, one can hypothesize that these people may be recycling the energy in their own bodies. This may be done, through complex mechanisms, involving neural & humoral organs. Solar energy, dissipated through body may get absorbed into the earth & while walking bare footed on the soil, standing in the sun, may help absorbing this energy through skin of toes, sole of feet; as Shri Hira Ratan Manek does regularly & always preaches to do so to recycle the energy. This may be related to the principles of acupressure or reflexology.

(4) Genotypically or phenotypically a different body predisposition :We should also examine this aspectcarefully,as this leaves scope for an important discussion - whethereach & every individual can use sun energy& if so, how efficiently?

Only time can answer this. But it is possible that each individual has a different genetic code and also each body has different physical capabilities. Hence, one may be able to receive this Solar energy more readily, can transform & store it in a better way & also can utilize more efficiently & even recycle it - while other person may not be able to do it to the same extent.

Hence, scientific experiments must be taken up, if possible on a randomized base upon volunteers with control population. However, leaving such study aside for the timbering, is possible that many people can do this experiment very successfully under supervision. Prior body Checkup & particularly retinal-ophthalmic checkup is mandatory and under strict medical guidance, a graded time bound experiment upon volunteers may be taken up.

Other possibility is that, we can use gene-cloning technique. By preserving the celline of Shri Hira- Ratan- Manek, we can clone him or use his gene for gene transfer therapy.

Whatever we do; use cloning or train the whole mankind, it can change the destiny of mankind. First of all, the food crisis will be solved. Through activation of this supreme energy in body & transforming it in electrical, chemical & magnetic forms, person can not only enjoy a state free of diseases but can gain positive health with a vibrant aura. His luster can impress even enemies& enmity may dissolve. His psychological disease can disappear.With improvement of mental & intellectual capacities one may be able to use brain power upto 90 to 100 %, as against to 3 - 10% as we normally do.

There will be reignof peace & prosperity. As there is no food, the bad thoughts and ill feelings will be stopped, so eternal peace is bound to follow.

This will also question the routine calorie mathematics.

This challenges the common calorie based science. Its limitations are highlighted. At the same time the complex issues of obesity & malnutrition can be readily explained through the concept of solar and cosmic energy. It is possible that obese people , though noteatingexcessfood, still receive energy from cosmic sources, unknowingly explaining their obesity.

The concept of cosmic energy can be used thus for total uplift of mankind at physical mental, intellectual, emotional & spiritual levels.It has tremendous applications. One can utilizeit, the way he can. Extensive scientific research work therefore should be immediately taken up, by appropriate authorities, including bioscientists & medical personnel, to answer all these issues. Awareness of all human beings must be created simultaneously and all those who are interested should work on this highly potential and fascinating project, of cosmic energy as well as potentialities of thepineal gland and other related issues discussed in these pages.

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Ref. case study of Mr. Hira Ratan Manek : 411 fast :completed on 14.02.2001 and parna was done on 15.02.2001 in presence of about a lakh people with graceful presence of jain sadhus, several Hindu saints, H.E. the Governor of Gujarat, respected Mayor of Ahmedabad and several other highly placed people.


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* Dr.Sudhir V. ShahM.D., D.M. Neurophysician

206-8, Sangini Complex, Nr. Parimal Crossing, Ellisbridge, Ahmedabad-380 006.

Ph. : (c) 079-646 70 52 (R) 079-662 17 42.


Hon. Neurologist : H.E. The Governor of Gujarat, India.

President : Asso. of Physician of A'bad. (97-98)

Hon. Asst.Prof. of neurology : Sheth K.M School of PGMR

Smt. N.H.L. M.M College

Hon. Neurologist : V.S.Hospital, Ahmedabad.

Jivraj Mehta Smarak Hospital


I acknowledge suggestions & help received for this hypothesis..

From : (1) Dr. Navneet Shah M.D. FICA (U.S.A.)

PhysicianEndocrinologist (C) 6425566.

(2) Dr. Gargey Sutaria (M.D.) &

Dr. Kalpesh Shah (M.D.)Radiologist

Usmanpura C.T.Scan Centre.


Clinical Assistant :

Dr. Nalin Gheewala M.D. Physician.

Dr. K.K. Shah M.S. Surgeon.

Dr. Viresh Patel M.D. Physician.

Dr. P.G.Shah M.B.B.S.

Family Physician.

Dr. P.D.Doshi M.B.B.S.

Family Physician.

 

[j0da]

The crux of the matter imho is - even if there is something true in sungazing theories - is it really a thing that is worthy exploration in this time and age by an ardent seeker of truth?

We are not living in Tibet or India in eleventh century, detached from reality, sitting on the mountain clothed in fancy pants contemplating navels and talking to birds. In another life, another place maybe I would go for it, experiment with sungazing, but unfortunately, today, we have more urgent things to do, to explore and to master.

Cointelpro isn't necessarily LIE, it is often manufactured by controlling the flow of interest and attention to the matters which are of no real importance, to matters which when pursued, cannot harm them in any way. Of course, if suddenly whole Earth population would start maintaining bodily functions only by utilisation of solar energy - controllers would have a problem. But, that is very unlikely scenario. Instead, there are people seeking solutions to purposefully created problems and are offered a plethora of theories, pseudo-solutions only to keep those "awakening" occupied. In my opinion, sungazing is one of such baits - a carrot on the stick. Sure, some yogis may have mastered incredible feats during their life - feeding on solar energy included, but so what? Has it changed anything on global scale? Apparently not.

 

[Z...]

moonwalker- gr8 post! You saved me alot of typing and gazing into screen:)

joda -just a passing comment on your thoughts -
you really think it makes any difference India 11th century or Manhattan 21st.
This path is always difficult in 3 D reality regardles of the time frame or geographical location.

What is worth exploring then?
very often when talking about these matters I hear this statments that we have more urgent and more important things to explore, unfortunately nobody says what are these things...

I think it has to be this way otherwise this cosmic game called earthly existence wouldnt be so tricky.

COINTELPRO does exist but in the same time we have to be very careful with this categorization.
Who is to say what is really cointelpro and what not?!

 

[j0da]

Deckard, yes I DO think it makes a difference whether we are in 11th century India or Manhattan 21st. The path is always difficult, but there are grades of difficulty as well as there are circumstances which can be beneficial or detrimental to one's growth.

Regarding exploration I have expressed myself in unclear terms - exploration may be very beneficial. What I meant to say was that IMO engaging in such practice as sun-gazing, striving to attain the ability of sunlight feeding might take a lot of time, effort and sacrifice, which could be spent on gaining much more important abilities.

It's similar case like some forums dedicated to psi abilities. Folks spend hours, days, weeks, etc just staring at some wire gizmo suspended on a thread, wrinkling their foreheads and intending to rotate it through telekinesis. Once succesful, they make videos to show others that they've succeded for example in moving a match half a centimeter away from it's starting position. WOW! So, they can telekine a match - what a feat! But, so what? Are they any wiser, or more intelligent, or more able thanks to this tremendous effort? Are they any closer to the truth than any other folk, who could just take the freakin' match and move it by the means of good ole 'hand manipulation'? Those PSI wannabes were taken for a ride in exact the same way as light-feeder wannabes.