Sungazing

[MichaelM]

Interesting points on both 'sides' of the conversation.
A lot of the literature certainly reads like COINTELPRO (of the new age kind) but there are also some ideas on the 'other side of the fence' that may look like that there just may be a 'baby in the bathwater'.
There are suggestions of pros and cons but unless someone who participates on this forum has a personal experience (regarding sungazing) to add on the pro or con side of sungazing, we could all talk about it and conjecture this way and that 'until the wave comes' and still have nothing definite about the subject.
This reminds me of the subjects of spinning and tobacco. Some do one or the other or both or none at all. How have those people known if any of those activities were good for them or not?

By trying it out for themselves.

(Note however that it does not mean that we should throw caution to the wind in starting any endeavor. Do your own diligence.)

I also remember the C's mentioning that 'expectation' is something that gets in the way of doing things. As with the spinning and tobacco use, expecting an outcome gets in the way of observing what the activity really does to you. This might be good to keep in mind for someone (who's done the research of course) who wants to try sungazing, or anything else for that matter.
Take for example C.W. Leadbeater's investigation with dowsing and energy fields. It took him quite a long time as well. What does he have to show for it? A book that details his observations. At first glance, it doesn't seem to be much of an accomplishment. But for those who have something to learn from it, they can learn from it and then maybe take it further.

It doesn't really take that much of your time if you'd read through the literature available in this thread, you'd know how long it takes. But then if you want to document the whole experience, it will take a little bit more of time. But then so does any activity that you want to try out for yourself and document the experience.

On a side note: I also want to add that 'changing the world' (can also be read as 'effecting a change in the world') starts with 'changing the self'. Or at least that is the theory of microcosm-macrocosm relationship.

So will someone then try it and report on it? I hope so. I probably would myself but I have other things I am interested in and have prioritized for the time being (like ploughing through the Ponerology and the Ancient Science books).

 

[Z...]

So will someone then try it and report on it? I hope so. I probably would myself but I have other things I am interested in and have prioritized for the time being (like ploughing through the Ponerology and the Ancient Science books).

lol
thats definitely the safest option, arent you a clever one... :)

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

My question would be, why gaze? Taking under consideration the possibility that the sun's rays may benefit our bodies (as well as detriment), I still don't understand what our eyes have to do with anything. I do know that the sun is bright and bright lights damage eyes, but I don't understand the connection between actually looking and feeding. If our bodies were designed to absorb sun energy (they are not to the best of my knowledge), they'd most likely do so through the skin, not the eyes, osit.

Also, I don't think there is a free lunch, and there is some suggestion by RA and the C's that we feed in 4D not using the sun but by other means. In fact, the sun doesn't look like the sun anymore in 4D either according to the C's, and its function is therefore different. And 1st density doesn't use only the sun either - they need minerals/water/etc as well. Our bodies are more complex, require far more energy and other substances for many purposes, and so just minerals/water is not good enough anymore. Additionally, our bodies do not know how to do photosynthesis (process of using energy in sunlight to convert water and carbon dioxide into carbohydrates and oxygen). It seems, based on all the evidence I have ever seen, that our bodies simply get energy a different way than plants, and those methods are not interchengeable at all.

 

[rrraven]

Sunlight is a nutrient!Google :full spectrum
I have read an article were in a school in 3
classrooms only they changed the fluros
to full spectrum lighting and the effect on the kids was amasing and as a side effect
they found the kids has less TOOTHDECAY
apparently we need some sun light to hit our retinas to convert the nutrients in food.
RRR

 

[eightfold]

Hira Manek spent 411 days under scrutiny by NASA without food or water, subsisting only on sunlight (most likely UVA) (read moonwalker's comments on this thread).

What more can be done experimentally? As a further demonstration, he could do an experiment to show the world that ET civilizations can exist below the surface of our planet. If he could live for an extended period underground taking sustenance from only artificially created UVA light, then I would be completely convinced of the ET subterranean presence on Earth and most likely the other planets in our solar system as well.

I have also been studying the new class of hyrino resonant plasmas being developed (www(dot)blacklightpower.com) which release UV light and heat as a resonant energy source. I believe that this hydrino plasma is the 4th density, and that 4D metabolism involves the conversion of UVA light into nutrients for the body.

Those for whom hard scientific proof is poppycock or malarky will be staying in 3rd density for quite a while.

 

[anart]

Those for whom hard scientific proof is poppycock or malarky will be staying in 3rd density for quite a while.

What an interesting judgmental statement to make. So, tell me, eightfold, how long have you survived on a 'resonant energy source' as your only sustenance? I'd also like to point out the fact that using NASA as an unquestionable information source may indicate a rather 'loose' criteria for what you consider to be reliable truth.

 

[sHiZo963]

Very interesting topic - thanks for setting it up.

Since at least a few posters here wish to see some personal experiences with sun and its effects on people, I thought I'd contribute:

My father gets physically energized by the sun, and it is obvious. During the winters he would feel physically drained after work and would sleep his evenings away, day after day. As soon as the seasons change and the intensity of the sunlight increases, he can literally spend his entire evenings outside, doing physical and mental labor, fixing things and devising new ways of doing things, until late night hours. He sleeps less and is a lot more alert - his energy skyrockets. He has said numerous times that he feels it is because of the sun - it is a vital nutrient for him.

I feel that I am similar, but not even close to the extent of my father. Ever since finding SOTT I have forced myself to be more aware and observe how different things affect me - exposure to sunlight is one of the things I take note of on a day-to-day basis. I was inspired to do this by recognizing my father's surprising 'reliance' on sunlight. Here are some of the things I have found, based on personal experience:

I 'feel' much better when I am outside, in the sun. I am able to accomplish a lot more with some exposure to sunlight. Reading outside on nice days helps me concentrate more and take in more information as opposed to reading inside or on cloudy days. The relaxation factor is important, imo - I feel that I can clear my mind and relax a lot easier, which as a result helps me accomplish more Work. During cloudy, rainy days, and especially in the winter, I feel tired faster and my immune system tends to be less effective - I get sick easier.

As an aside, but kind of related, I have noticed obvious chem-trailing going on over Chicago these past few days that it's been really nice outside, creating these thin, bumpy clouds. Sometimes I see as many as three planes going criss-cross, dispensing the stuff. It really caught my attention, and I've been trying to apply it to my observations about the effect of the sun on my well-being. Interestingly enough, I've felt strangely exhausted today, as have many of my friends, even though it has been beautiful outside these past few days (there were plenty of chem-trails, though). Could these 'clouds' be altering the sun's rays in some way as they pass through them? Maybe the chemicals in the clouds are activated by the sun?

While I'm in the writing mode, I thought I'd comment on another issue:
Moonwalker made a good point in his post about the emotional 'noise' on both 'sides' of this discussion - it really threw things off track at the beginning. Unfortunately, I am seeing this more often in this forum lately. IMO, it doesn't help anyone in pursuit of the Work to say outright 'oh, well, this is crap, DISinfo crap' just as much as saying 'this is THE thing, the one and ONLY truth' - the moderators are doing a good job keeping the latter in control, but the former can become an equally dangerous problem, osit.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

What more can be done experimentally? As a further demonstration, he could do an experiment to show the world that ET civilizations can exist below the surface of our planet. If he could live for an extended period underground taking sustenance from only artificially created UVA light, then I would be completely convinced of the ET subterranean presence on Earth and most likely the other planets in our solar system as well.

That, if it was possible, would only show that HE can exist below the surface of our planet, nothing else. It is naive and close minded to the extreme to compare some light-eating guy to hyperdimensional beings with technology beyond our capability to fathom. Yes, they CAN live underground, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this guy or any experiments we perform to see how WE could do it. If you open your mind just a little bit, I"m sure you'll have no problem seeing the infinite possible ways this can be done that have absolutely nothing to do with eating light. And since you cannot fathom hyperdimensional existance and technology, that's another infinity ways on top of the infinity normal "3d" ways this can be done :)

Those for whom hard scientific proof is poppycock or malarky will be staying in 3rd density for quite a while.

And those who confuse poppycock and malarky with "hard scientific proof" still have miles to go before they wake, miles to go before they wake. Not all "hard scientific proof" is really as hard, as scientific, or certain as many people think. There are no certainties, and sometimes "hard scientific proof" ends up being malarky indeed. The devil is in the details.

 

[Z...]

My question would be, why gaze? Taking under consideration the possibility that the sun's rays may benefit our bodies (as well as detriment), I still don't understand what our eyes have to do with anything. I do know that the sun is bright and bright lights damage eyes, but I don't understand the connection between actually looking and feeding. If our bodies were designed to absorb sun energy (they are not to the best of my knowledge), they'd most likely do so through the skin, not the eyes, osit.

Its not quite clear but from what indian yogi mystics have to say on the subject is seems that the eyes are the "dorway" to pineal gland
and since recent hystological observations point out that some nerve endings of pineal gland end up in optic fibers it would make sense

 

[Z...]

What an interesting judgmental statement to make.

you ve been known to dish out a few judgemental statments yourself, at least on this topic :)

but I agree with you regarding reference to NASA

 

[Z...]

While I'm in the writing mode, I thought I'd comment on another issue:
Moonwalker made a good point in his post about the emotional 'noise' on both 'sides' of this discussion - it really threw things off track at the beginning. Unfortunately, I am seeing this more often in this forum lately. IMO, it doesn't help anyone in pursuit of the Work to say outright 'oh, well, this is crap, DISinfo crap' just as much as saying 'this is THE thing, the one and ONLY truth' - the moderators are doing a good job keeping the latter in control, but the former can become an equally dangerous problem, osit.

Well, the emotional noise is inevitable when discussants come from the position of all knowing enlightened wise men who appear on the topic just to dish out few sweeping statements and then ride off into the sunset happy that they have enlightened yet another gullible fool
I have to say that I disaggre with your remark about moderators at least when it comes to this topic

 

[moonwalker]

For the time being I love my meat, so much so that sometimes I crave raw flesh.

::chuckles:: well that's telling.

Please explain what's funny. I also eat raw flesh - sushi, steak tartar and I like my meat rare. I'm O negative blood type and find it difficult to focus without meat.

The study that I quoted was not done by NASA some of you need to pay more attention, if you want that documentation you'll have to get in touch with HRM himself and he'll happily send you a copy, be warned though he doesn't speak very good English.

My sungazing never got off the ground because of the weather but I was seriously thinking of taking it up. Apart from the weather, what stopped me was a chat I had with an experienced sungazer. This guy had got up to the 30 minute mark and was eating very little and felt fantastic. He said that his brain serotonin levels went through the roof and everything was right with world, hardcore love and light. He stopped soon after because he "lost the edge" as he put it which he felt he needed and he realised that he was slipping in to lovey dovey lala land.

He had some interesting tales to tell and was an interesting guy. He was convinced that the sun had consciousness and was a doorway to a different density/dimension and he often said he was communicating with the sun through ancient symbols which he saw against the backdrop while gazing (the sun often went black after the 15 minute mark). Anyway soon after he got in with the Don Croft crowd and we parted ways.

 

[anart]

I have to say that I disaggre with your remark about moderators at least when it comes to this topic

Deckard, you started the thread and are so emotionally tied to the idea that sungazing is the end all be all of everything that you are incapable of objectively looking at it - period.

What an interesting judgmental statement to make.

you ve been known to dish out a few judgemental statments yourself, at least on this topic

Deckard, you started the thread and are so emotionally tied to the idea that sungazing is the end all be all of everything that you are incapable of objectively looking at it - period - not to mention the fact that you've displayed that you have some sort of personal issue with me - well, sorry about that but I'm not going anywhere.

The study that I quoted was not done by NASA some of you need to pay more attention,

Moonwalker, the reference to NASA was directed at eightfold who keeps pressing that their research proves things of which I can find no real evidence.

Come on guys - what is really going on here? - is there any way that anyone here will ever be able to prove the validity of sungazing without doing it themselves successfully - and, more importantly, how much time and energy do you expect us to waste discussing it when there are far more important - real - every day - nuts and bolts - things that need attention and the application of discernment. I cannot tell prove to you that there is anything either worthwhile or useless about this sungazing thing - what I can tell you is that, at this point, this entire conversation appears to be an exercise in wishful thinking that encourages general sleep.

Apologies if this 'hurts your feelings' - but the world is on fire and burning right in front of us - and most of us can't keep ourselves awake long enough to really DO anything - so 5 page threads on whether or not sungazing is real seem to be a buffer, a lovely journey into 'what could be' - and while you certainly have every right in the world to be asleep and to wishfully think, I would be remiss to not point out the possiblity that this is exactly what you are doing. No offense - at all - is intended, it's just that my rather gentle proddings seem to not be getting the point across.

If, tomorrow, one of you successfully sungazes and can survive that way, I think that would be great - but what will it have really accomplished here in our objective reality?

 

[Z...]

Moonwalker
The biggest problem I have with sun gazing is that it requires alot of discipline and free time. And although I do live in a country that has almost 360 sunny days in a year I can appreciate that this could be a big problem for someone living in UK or Continental Europe.

Then there is another problem, I am still not ready to turn my back to physicality .. Consciously I would like to make this choice but body still doesnt follow. Therefore I prefer to wait for alleged DNA activation and physical change of my body, if this ever happens.

But as I said I have a feeling that the way of feeding will be the turning point in the shift of our orientation from STS to STO, I am sory some of the participants here fail to see this but nutrition is the foundation of ones Orientation regarding STS or STO.
Since I was acussed of being manipulative when I said this I will try to explain. Wether you are Vegetarian or meat eater you are still utilizing other conscious life forms for your sustenance. It as simple as that.
Therefore there is no any doubts in my mind that in order to change from STS to STO we will have to change the way we feed. Now will we feed on sun or something else that remains to be seen, so far the sun seems like the best candidate.

 

[ark]

Therefore there is no any doubts in my mind that in order to change from STS to STO we will have to change the way we feed.

And there is no doubt in my mind that you are making theories that have no support. Cows eat grass. Are they your heroes? Do wyou want to be a cow? Sunflowers eat sun. Do you want to be a sunflower? Is that your dream? Your aspiration? Think of it. Stones eat noting at all.
Do you want to be a stone?

Perhaps, instead of concentratingon what you eat (or not), it would be more productive for you to DO something?