16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...
If you add to this all the other "non lethal" weaponry - like microwaves and other new gadgets, you create the situation where the population is basically being conditioned to the reality of torture and suppression on almost any occasion. Go to an anti-war rally? Expect tear gas, microwaves, rubber bullets, and pepper spray. Don't get out of the car fast enough? Expect electric shocks. It's not hard to see that this quickly leads to the atmosphere of regular people being nervous about police and law enforcement for fear of doing something "wrong" or saying something "wrong" and quickly ending up on the other end of a "non-lethal" torture/suppression device. What a great way to keep people in fear and oppression and at the same time hide behind the excuse that "it's all non-lethal weapons (unless you're too frail to handle it...), so we can use them a lot more than we can use things like guns and it's for your own protection".
The effect of this is not a reduction in crime (MAYBE to some extent petty insignificant crime like speeding although I'd like to see any data for that, but certainly not psychopaths who run all the criminal organizations of this planet but also your garden variety psychopaths). The effect is suppression and induction of fear into the vast majority of normal people who are not "criminals" by any sensible use of that word (unless you count speeding and traffic violations and other very minor offenses a reason to call someone a criminal).
Although it seems that lately they've been considering everything an imminent threat, like little old ladies, people in wheel chairs, and someone not getting out of their car right away after being pulled over for speeding.harpoonflyby said:
So you have no objection to being "juiced" even if you truly posed no threat because the officer was in a bad mood or just has very "poor judgement" (to put it nicely) about what constitutes an imminent threat?harpoonflyby said:
Would you be saying that if you were not in a perfect physical health or young/old and your "chances" were pretty low? Seems like you're not thinking that what you're saying would apply to others who cannot afford to "take their chances" quite so easily.harpoonflyby said:
The fact that tasers are perceived to be less lethal I think adds to the fact that cops are less likely to think twice about firing one. And that probably makes the situation worse, since they don't neglect to "juice" people with very little provocation. I may be wrong but it seems like it creates a much more pervasive atmosphere of oppression and fear of "authority" - since people know that if before cops wouldn't necessarily shoot them, now with all these "non-lethal" suppression/torture devices, there's probably a much better chance to be brutally (but non-fatally) tortured for minor offences or nothing at all. Factor in all the people who are much more susceptible to such torture devices and are likely to die from it, and the non-lethality factor is much less certain than we're told.harpoonflyby said:
I disagree - I think the very existance of weapons is a symptom of ponerology and that any use of such devices is already "misuse". We're being told that they are necessary for society and grow up brainwashed with that concept so we never question it. We accept police and armies as normal and necessary part of maintaining order, that it's the only way this can be accomplished. Similarly, some parents cannot imagine how one could bring up a child without beating them, mostly due to ignorance, laziness, and apathy - all of which are induced and maintained by ponerology.harpoonflyby said:
Not necessarily - you can control the force and damage you inflict with your own hands much better than you can with a taser or a gun - and so adjust it based on situation. Cops don't look for more creative/constructive/appropriate ways to address a situation now that they have tasers as the "quick and easy solution". It just gives more power to the more psychopathic ones and ponerizes the rest even further, osit.harpoonflyby said:
If you add to this all the other "non lethal" weaponry - like microwaves and other new gadgets, you create the situation where the population is basically being conditioned to the reality of torture and suppression on almost any occasion. Go to an anti-war rally? Expect tear gas, microwaves, rubber bullets, and pepper spray. Don't get out of the car fast enough? Expect electric shocks. It's not hard to see that this quickly leads to the atmosphere of regular people being nervous about police and law enforcement for fear of doing something "wrong" or saying something "wrong" and quickly ending up on the other end of a "non-lethal" torture/suppression device. What a great way to keep people in fear and oppression and at the same time hide behind the excuse that "it's all non-lethal weapons (unless you're too frail to handle it...), so we can use them a lot more than we can use things like guns and it's for your own protection".
The effect of this is not a reduction in crime (MAYBE to some extent petty insignificant crime like speeding although I'd like to see any data for that, but certainly not psychopaths who run all the criminal organizations of this planet but also your garden variety psychopaths). The effect is suppression and induction of fear into the vast majority of normal people who are not "criminals" by any sensible use of that word (unless you count speeding and traffic violations and other very minor offenses a reason to call someone a criminal).
