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Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

meat robot said:
Lost count of the ways in which this is just stupid wrong.
yeah, it could be funny if it was satirical, instead it's just plain scary. Next thing is going to be some kind of "invisible fence" for people.

from _http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/news/upload/pg1HomelandSecurity7_06.pdf

homeland security said:
In discussions with my colleagues and immediate superior, we find your ideas have merit and believe it would be of great help on the borders and indeed for anywhere else, for which the temporary restraint of large numbers of individuals in open area environments by a small number of agents or Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs).
 
Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

Article and video here: _http://dissentmag.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/taser-bracelet-for-crowd-control/

Homeland Security wants to suggest all kinds of applications for this under the banner of "crowd control." If people are forced to wear them in all kinds of public places, it's not much further to having them stuck on permanently. In 1968 Star Trek episode, For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky, such a thing was implanted in the temple and called the instrument of obedience.

Hey, would you mind putting this on? If you don't subject yourself to being tortured and painfully incapacitated remotely, then the terrorists have won, right?!?

I think half the people polled are already all for it. It's for safety, right?
 
Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

AdPop said:
I think half the people polled are already all for it. It's for safety, right?
Where did you find this poll AdPop? I really have to wonder about the validity of such a poll. Surely most people aren't that stupid?!? Perhaps it's one of those, "look, most people don't mind, what's your problem?!" rigged up things?

These "bracelets" are a psychopath's dream and a normie's nightmare.
 
Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

I heard it on one of the numerous "patriot" radio shows on GCN or RBN that I sometimes sample while writing. I mentioned it only to remind that the "polls say..." tactic is a standard method of influencing public opinion, so there is no reason to believe in the validity of such things.

The comment may have come from an online poll, "Would you wear a taser bracelet to get on a plane?" that was posted here: _it.einnews.com/news/bluetooth last week (apparently now gone), the result of which, I believe was 47.8% Yes.

I posted recently about noticing that "news" of freedom-sucking measures always seem to be spun as conveniences or safety measures and that such pieces are almost always closed with alleged poll numbers or actual "man on the street" sound bites that say, "Great idea! I'm all for it if it keeps people safe."

BTW, I spotted another taser death article today, this one happened in Indianapolis two days ago: _http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8087803
 
Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

Thanks for the clarification AdPop, makes sense.
 
Air safety proposal: shock-bracelets controlled by flight attendants

sHiZo963 said:
Check out this promotional video from Lamperd (official web-site: _http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com), the company that's making these things:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yJXhxF1mM

Electronic ID bracelet:
- more convenient to the public
- replaces need for ticket by containing all passenger information
- tracks passengers throughout terminal, including their luggage by 'tagging' it to ensure no tampering occurs after check-in
- EMD (electro-muscular disruption) technology enables crew members to quickly and effectively subdue hijackers by rendering "even the most elite and aggressive terrorist completely immobile for several minutes"

:shock:
Constantly on the news in the UK at the moment is the Heathrow Terminal 5 baggage fiasco, where appox 30,000 pieces of luggage are in storage after the new terminal's baggage-handling system is out of action. This could be the groundwork for something like the ID bracelet idea to pop up any minute as a possible future solution to this problem. Seems strange this was was never reported as problem when they ran the baggage system through it's paces before it went live. I remember watching a behind the scenes program on the terminal about a month before it opened. Mock tests were performed where hundreds of would be passengers were let loose all over the terminal, looked to have had a clean bill of health back then.

R.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/localnews/stories/DRC_Taser_0518.3dae5bb.html

DentonRC.com said:
Image of Taser use lingers

‘Blake is having a seizure, and they’re hurting him’

Blake Dwyer remembers pain:

The agonizing burn of electrical shock.

And shouting.

And fear.

“I thought a swarm of wasps was after me,” the 17-year-old Guyer High School athlete said. “I was trying to fight them off.”

He doesn’t remember the epileptic seizure he suffered July 18, 2007, when he was 16.

He doesn’t remember fighting to keep from being tied to a stretcher or hitting a paramedic.

His brother, Travis Baker, 17, remembers all of it. He recalls screaming at Corinth police to stop shocking Blake with a Taser. His mother, Deana, remembers hearing Travis crying on the telephone.

“He was saying, ‘Blake is having a seizure, and they’re hurting him,’” she said.

And in case they should forget Blake’s experience, they have photographs of 12 separate sets of burns from the double posts of a Taser.

Corinth police did not respond to a message asking for comment about the incident. Corinth city attorney Michael Bucek won’t release records because the city expects litigation, he said. He did say there was no internal affairs investigation into the incident.

“The only thing I can say is that we believe this is a frivolous lawsuit with no merit,” Bucek said.

No lawsuit has been filed yet. Deana Dwyer sought the advice of Denton lawyer Rocky Haire, who said he has been trying to work with Corinth police for an out-of-court resolution with no luck so far.

“Deana just wants them to acknowledge they did it wrong,” Haire said. “She tried to tell them their officers needed some training on what to do with epileptic seizures and postictal psychosis, but they just blew her off.”

Haire contacted an investigator with the Texas Municipal Intergovernmental Risk Pool, which insures city governments against lawsuits. Haire said the investigator told him that a check of the Taser shows it was fired 15 times within five or six minutes that day.

Mike Rains, a representative of the TMI Risk Pool, said there is an ongoing investigation into the incident, and talks have been initiated with Haire. He would not confirm the extent of the Taser use.

“I believe it was a number of times,” Rains said.

According to information from the Epilepsy Foundation, epilepsy is a neurological condition that sometimes produces brief disturbances in the normal electrical functions of the brain with intermittent bursts of much more intense electrical energy. The resulting seizure may affect a person’s consciousness, movements or sensations for a short time. A person suffering a seizure will fall down, froth at the mouth and jerk uncontrollably.

Postictal psychosis following a seizure may include delusions, depressive or manic behavior, aggression or bizarre thoughts and behavior.

Tasers can be used in different ways. A Taser has a cartridge that sends two prongs out on wires. When the trigger is pulled, the probes burst out of the cartridge and can travel up to 21 feet to reach the target. Then electricity travels though the wires and arcs between the probes.

That affects the sensory nerves, and the electricity overrides the central nervous system, which means the muscles can’t move. The person falls to the ground, briefly immobilized.

Or, the officer has the option of pulling off the cartridge and simply pressing the Taser against the skin. That causes electrical pain but does not immobilize and is called a “drive stun.” It is a way to control someone using pain.

Blake Dwyer had been experiencing grand mal epileptic seizures for about a year, possibly brought on, his mother said, by a concussion.

He and Travis spent the preceding night with friends. They admit they smoked marijuana from a pipe provided by one of the other boys but insist they used no other illegal substances. Blake’s blood workup the next morning showed only traces of marijuana in his system.

They were getting ready for football practice about 10:30 a.m. Travis said he saw Blake bend over to tie his tennis shoes.

“He looked up, and his eyes rolled back in his head,” Travis said. “He fell over and started frothing at the mouth and jerking. I knew he was having a seizure. I was there when he had the others, and I knew what to do.”

Travis said he had learned to calm Blake, who comes out of the seizures with postictal psychosis, a condition that accompanies seizures in some patients to varying degrees. Blake becomes disoriented and frightened, he said. He panics and tries to fight, especially if someone tries to restrain him.

On that morning, Travis began talking to Blake, and some of his fear subsided. Someone at the house called 911, and an ambulance arrived. Paramedics told Travis to step back, and they strapped Blake to a gurney.

“I tried to tell them that he’s claustrophobic and he couldn’t stand to be strapped down,” Travis said. “But they wouldn’t listen to me.”

According to the paramedic report, Blake was combative. He was making incoherent sounds and fighting against the restraints. He freed his arms and, still strapped to the gurney by the lower part of his body, he began flailing his arms. He struck a firefighter in the face.

According to the ambulance report, a paramedic found the marijuana pipe in Blake Dwyer’s pocket. Haire says Blake was wearing gym shorts that didn’t have a pocket at the time. The report stated that he was very combative and uncontrollable. After finding the pipe, the report indicates the paramedics believed he may have been overdosing on narcotics.

The ambulance team asked for Corinth police.

According to the police report provided by the Dwyers’ lawyer when Corinth police declined to release it, an officer Tasered Blake Dwyer only twice.

“[Reporting officer] issued a ‘drive stun’ with the Taser to Dwyer’s upper back to gain compliance so he would stop fighting with the fireman. … Once inside the ambulance Dwyer was once again issued a ‘drive stun’ to gain compliance,” the report states.

The paramedic report also mentions two instances of the officer using the Taser.

But photographs taken the next day show 24 post burns, representing 12 separate instances of the posts of the Taser being applied to Blake Dwyer’s back and underarm.

“The police were saying he was having a ‘bad trip,’” Haire said. “But the blood work only showed trace amounts of THC, evidence of his having smoked pot the night before — no trace of any opiate or psychedelic drug that would cause a bad trip.”

Deana Dwyer said it took several days for her son to act completely normal again after the experience.

“I’m mad at him over the marijuana,” she said. “But smoking marijuana the night before had nothing to do with his seizure. He had them before, and he’s had three since.”

The paramedics took Blake to a local hospital and then he was transferred to Children’s Medical Center Dallas. A neurologist who checked Blake on July 24 wrote, “Robert [Blake] Dwyer has epilepsy with postictal confusion. (Don’t try to restrain him. Talk calmly and try to guide him to a safe area.)”

Deana Dwyer said she visited Corinth police to try to figure out what happened. She is not sure which supervisor she spoke to, she said, but she was not reassured.

“He told me he had a possible kidnapping to worry about. He told me he was going on vacation. He said he’d look into it but he was really busy right now. I called later, but they said he wasn’t in.

“Tasing Blake was one of the worst things they could have done,” she said. “He comes out of the seizures not knowing where he is and scared to death. Shocking him 12 times didn’t calm him down. On the phone, I could hear him yelling ‘OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK’ and then screaming when they would hit him again. If it wasn’t helping, why did they keep doing it?”

Blake wasn’t a criminal the police were trying to arrest, Haire said. He was a 16-year-old boy having a seizure, and he needed help.

“I have written letters to the editor commending police and firefighters,” Haire said. “I understand what a thankless job it is. I’m not trying to make their job harder. But when I saw that he had been hit with a Taser 12 times, something cracked inside. I couldn’t believe it. It is an absolute abuse of power.”

Haire said he is upset that both the police and paramedic reports stated that his client was Tasered twice when there is abundant proof and several witnesses to prove that was not true. And he believes the police should have addressed Deana Dwyer’s concerns instead of ignoring them.

Someone who knows Haire saw her plight that day in the police lobby and recommended she contact him.

“I’m trying to raise awareness. Somebody told her, ‘You need to contact Rocky Haire.’ If they hadn’t done that, she wouldn’t have complained.

“There’s not a lot of money to be made by suing a city,” Haire said. “The law is designed to make it not worth it. But we're not just going to quit on this.”
Shouldn't it have been obvious to the medical personnel he was having a seizure? I mean, his friend was right there telling them what was going on. Stories like this are horrible, because they teach readers that the authorities aren't there to help. If 911 was never called his friend probably could have gotten him back to normal, not to mention the trauma of being tasered 12 times.

Looks like the writing was on the decepticon... 'to enslave and punish' indeed (transformers reference, barricade turned into a cop car with that phrase written on the side where 'to serve and protect' should have been).
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

I don't have a whole lot to say other than reading this brought me to deep uncontrollable tears twice. I feel so much compassion for that young boy and his brother Travis who tried hard to protect his younger brother and a mother who hardly knows what she can do about it all.

I don't know how it can be possible with all the corruption out there, but I would love to see Justice Fully levied against the [[PSYCHOPATHIC]] police officer, and I DO MEAN PSYCHOPATHIC, and the police department of Corinth as a whole. NEVER should a young innocent boy like that have been subjected to such TORTUROUS, VILE, WICKED treatment. Blake could very easily have died from excessive shocks to his little heart and electromagnetic system as a whole.

I am getting a feeling the mother is pretty weak and is confused between trying to believe in the overall good that police are generally supposed to be doing and the UNCONSCIONABLE VIOLENT ACT that was Perpetrated upon her young INNOCENT son. INNOCENT...I wanna repeat that word again!

She needs the help of Powerful watch dog groups who can supply her with a TEAM of BULL DOG Lawyers who are awake enought to Grapple with the system and the PTB!!!

I don't want to see this swept aside and nutralized over time by premeditative evasiveness and circular answers until it just kind of fades away.

And one more thing...I thought Paramedics were highly trained in things such as Seizurs??

I guess not!

They SHOULD KNOW that his behavior was TYPICAL! They too need to be sued for their negligence, and unprofessional ill treatment of Blake by STRAPPING him down when his older brother repeatedly told them he was terribly clausterphobic and it would only make matters worse.

THANK YOU CYRE2067 for making me and others aware of this new police violence case. I hope the story gets reported all over the news...though I doubt it will. THEY would never allow that now would they.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

Tasers are dangerous weapons. Their indiscriminate use by police forces should be controlled.

We need strict rules that if these devices are to be used it should only be in a situation that would warrant the use of a firearm.

I would encourage people to write to their political representatives, submit letters to newspapers, contact civil liberties organizations - any way to get the word out and gain support against the apparent freedom that police have in tasering people. Make them go through an investigation similar to when a firearm is used.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

It seems the perception in law enforcement is that Tasers are the "magic bullet" of controlling "subjects" who get physical. But of course the real problem is that psychopaths given more authority than they ever should feel it is their job to control everyone instead of protect them. According to this FBI paper and this martial arts article:

Controlling Subjects: Realistic Training vs. Magic Bullets

_http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/feb974.htm

TRADITIONAL VS. NEW AGE SELF DEFENSE NEWS

_http://www.martialarm.com/martial-articles/Traditional_vs_New_Age_Self_Defense.html

Security and law enforcement is not a search for people and techniques that can wield the most power over the public, but for those people and techniques that can grasp the situation and yield to it. I am in favor of better martial arts discipline emphasizing situational awareness and strategy, because that doesn't offer the psychopath the temptation of "safe and prudent control over a subject". Police chiefs should be losing their jobs over Taser accidents but are not, that is the problem. Tasers accidents are a symptom, not the problem, just as are wrongful shootings. So while we shouldn't let them get away with this, we also don't want to spread an anti-Taser mentality because I'd certainly rather be Tased than shot, if it came down to it.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

harpoonflyby said:
So while we shouldn't let them get away with this, we also don't want to spread an anti-Taser mentality because I'd certainly rather be Tased than shot, if it came down to it.
How do you know you don't have a minor heart condition that could be the "tipping point" between life and death if you were shocked by a Taser?

Tasers are a deadly weapon. Period. They should be treated as such, and people who abuse them (especially in they are in law enforcement) should be subject to harsh reprimands and criminal prosecution. If that's considered an "anti-Taser mentality", then by all means, please consider me anti-Taser.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

hpfb said:
I'd certainly rather be Tased than shot, if it came down to it.
Ryan makes a good point - what if the result is the same, which it IS for many people? Actually, many people could survive a well-placed 'shot' and not a well-placed 'tase', based on evidence gathered so far.

My question is what sort of acceptance of a sick system is it to even say, "I'd rather be tased than shot" - as if those are the only two options? It really speaks to the ponerization of a society.

I realize that both are the current reality - but to state such a thing seems to reinforce parameters set by the psychopathic system. How about no tasers and no guns? Crazy idea, I know...
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

anart said:
How about no tasers and no guns? Crazy idea, I know...
Anart, you are destroying my existing notions and beliefs about what it is for a person to be an "American". It hurts. :lol:
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

anart said:
hpfb said:
I'd certainly rather be Tased than shot, if it came down to it.
Ryan makes a good point - what if the result is the same, which it IS for many people? Actually, many people could survive a well-placed 'shot' and not a well-placed 'tase', based on evidence gathered so far.

My question is what sort of acceptance of a sick system is it to even say, "I'd rather be tased than shot" - as if those are the only two options? It really speaks to the ponerization of a society.
There is no such thing as a "well placed shot", police are not marksmen, they're trained to hit vital zones to stop an imminent threat. They do not shoot at the knees or buttocks to disable. If that imminent threat is perceived to be me, somehow, then please by all means juice me. I'll take my chances. But put the guns away, the lethality of the two are clear. My real point however, a weapon's misuse is a symptom of ponerology, not of the technology itself. It'd be no different if we were talking about a karate chop.
 
16 Year Old Suffering an Epileptic Seizure gets Tasered 12 times...

harpoonflyby said:
There is no such thing as a "well placed shot", police are not marksmen, they're trained to hit vital zones to stop an imminent threat.
Actually, that's not true -- at least it's not true of police here in Canada, and I'm sure it isn't true of American police either. I have a friend who is on the police force in Toronto, and I recall him telling me that they receive EXTENSIVE training in discerning what situations call for a "lethal shot" and which call for a "disabling shot" only, and that they have to pass anatomy exams designed to test their knowledge of the effect of different kind of wounds on different parts of the body. He told me that it is rare that a situation calls for a deliberately-placed "lethal shot", and that most police shootings are "disabling shots".

One of the newsletters of "MilitaryProject.Org" (an anti-war group by and for American military personnel and vets) contains the following information: "The rules governing [American soldiers' ]contact with [Iraqi] civilians call for a gradual escalation in force: a warning shot, a disabling shot, and finally the lethal shot". Are you suggesting that American police are not required to exercise the same pre-cautions when dealing with American civilians that American soldiers are required to exercise against foreign civilians in a war situation?
 
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