Zadius Sky
The Living Force
Ah! Thanks for the reminder.beau said:
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Jedi
Yes, please, let's not ignore that. Because it really is the crux of the matter. The knowledge accumulated in our brains and the application of same actually alters our DNA. It activates and deactivates genes, depending on the objective or subjective nature of the knowledge, respectively increasing or decreasing our ability to receive and apply even more knowledge. This hypothetical situation reeks of third density, ponerized, linear thinking.ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Right. How do we quantify "intellect"? Is it IQ? Book smarts? Street smarts? Emotional IQ? Heightened senses? The list could go on. We can't precisely measure it so how will we be able to "add" to it? Anyway, if we were able to somehow accomplish this no, I wouldn't take the chip - it's unnecessary for me. Just as hearing aid is unnecessary or a nose job (in my case). Now, suppose one was mentally challenged, would you still take it? Only problem is that I would probably not be aware enough that it exists and that I can get the implant to put me to a 'normal' level. So someone would be making that decision for me.ScioAgapeOmnis said:
If we were to flip the scenario, would I make that decision for someone (suppose I had to)? So now this presents a new dilemma. It is not considered STO to determine the needs of another, yet either way you are making the choice for them. Suppose you have a mentally challenged son and they presented you with this technology (chip implant in the brain), what would you do? Main thing is, are we interfering with a life lesson (for the both of us)? Or is my child really asking for this? If he really seemed miserable and was suffering for the lack of it then I might do it. But if he seemed okay with how he is, I'd probably leave him be....
Or what about someone who was in an accident and lost their cognitive ability? If this chip could help them, would I tell them to go ahead? Or will it turn them into a robot? (...then again, most of us are like robots anyway it's probably a moot point :p. I guess it comes down to how much you know the person and their specific situation. But still, myself, I'd lean towards not doing it....
As we all know, Michael Jackson looks like a gray alien now. Funny how it is almost a clue to the fact that grays are synthetic, and so is he.
Speaking of grays though, what do we know about the 4th density STS cyber-genetic probes known as grays? Very very smart - technologically advanced, use mathematics and technology that we can't even comprehend, all that fun stuff. Pretty low on the STS hierarchy, I mean above everybody on earth, but supposedly below everybody on 4th density. Cuz above them are lizzies, then above those are Orion STS, and I'm sure the list goes on. All of whom are afflicted by wishful thinking. All of whom afflicted with delusions and assumptions as a result of this wishful thinking. All of whom inevitably go to their own undoing. Could even throw psychopaths and organic portals into the mix. Very smart in some cases, but their intelligence is somehow "stunted" to a certain level. Abstract and certain other kinds of thinking is off limits for OP's and psychopaths. But in more mundane life matters they can be much more intelligent than non-OP's, etc. So I think that's just another example of how many "layers" of intelligence exist within us, and being extremely advanced and having ridiculous amounts of intellectual capacity doesn't mean squat if it's limited to a certain level as a result of under-development of other aspects of ourselves.
I think Johnno hit the bull's eye with this. When C's talk about knowledge and learning and growth and development, it's also what esoteric sources teach us. It refers to our entire being - it's not just being "smarter", it's learning to think in different ways entirely, removing limitations, and learning to SEE objective reality - it's expansion of our minds that can actually be deterred by too much intellectual center work. You can be a genius in some ways, your intellectual center can be extremely functional, but you can still be asleep and ignorant of the most important/fundamental concepts and unable to even fathom many kinds of thoughts and ideas, because your brain just can't "go there", it doesn't make sense, it does not "compute", it is not the "type" of thinking you're capable of doing.
We see examples of this time and time again with all kinds of psychological deviants on this forum and many other places - seemingly intelligent people who, for one reason or another, just can't grasp some very obvious and simple things, simply because their brain is somehow limited/distorted to be stuck in a certain manner of thinking that very often is only leading them into dead-ends and they don't know why. They can assess and analyze things in great detail and complexity, make connections and diagrams and all that fun stuff, but somehow end up with no clue as to what is actually happening, still missing the "obvious".
It's a puzzling phenomenon, because I think we've all been sorta conditioned with simple words like "smart" that in reality have no meaning considering the extreme complexity of our being. So we stare at it, the person looks very smart and capable of logical and seemingly critical thinking, but yet something is missing, he's running circles around objective reality and no amount of thinking seems to be getting them any closer. What causes this block? Is it genetic? Is it learned? Is it something else? I guess in psychopaths it is genetic. Many things they could never grasp simply because empathy, even though it is not part of the intellectual center, allows the intellectual center to understand what it could never ever understand otherwise. Which I think, again, shows the importance of developing all the centers - and how reliance on one over the others only messes us up. They all need one another, and the higher centers, to be able to reach their potential. It's like upgrading only one part of your computer - you create a bottleneck because it'll only go as fast as it's slowest component anyway.
Here's a recent thread that I think is a great example of this "limitation" on thinking:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1481
Pat is a smart guy, no doubt. But just that doesn't seem to help him any, something seems to be amiss.
Edit: Here's another one:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2730.msg49635#msg49635
This is just generally about how something can make perfect sense to one person, but no sense to another - and vice versa. Yet both people could theoretically have the same "intellectual capacity", it's just the wiring is not the same, and other things are different, which intellectual capacity depends on.
Speaking of grays though, what do we know about the 4th density STS cyber-genetic probes known as grays? Very very smart - technologically advanced, use mathematics and technology that we can't even comprehend, all that fun stuff. Pretty low on the STS hierarchy, I mean above everybody on earth, but supposedly below everybody on 4th density. Cuz above them are lizzies, then above those are Orion STS, and I'm sure the list goes on. All of whom are afflicted by wishful thinking. All of whom afflicted with delusions and assumptions as a result of this wishful thinking. All of whom inevitably go to their own undoing. Could even throw psychopaths and organic portals into the mix. Very smart in some cases, but their intelligence is somehow "stunted" to a certain level. Abstract and certain other kinds of thinking is off limits for OP's and psychopaths. But in more mundane life matters they can be much more intelligent than non-OP's, etc. So I think that's just another example of how many "layers" of intelligence exist within us, and being extremely advanced and having ridiculous amounts of intellectual capacity doesn't mean squat if it's limited to a certain level as a result of under-development of other aspects of ourselves.
I think Johnno hit the bull's eye with this. When C's talk about knowledge and learning and growth and development, it's also what esoteric sources teach us. It refers to our entire being - it's not just being "smarter", it's learning to think in different ways entirely, removing limitations, and learning to SEE objective reality - it's expansion of our minds that can actually be deterred by too much intellectual center work. You can be a genius in some ways, your intellectual center can be extremely functional, but you can still be asleep and ignorant of the most important/fundamental concepts and unable to even fathom many kinds of thoughts and ideas, because your brain just can't "go there", it doesn't make sense, it does not "compute", it is not the "type" of thinking you're capable of doing.
We see examples of this time and time again with all kinds of psychological deviants on this forum and many other places - seemingly intelligent people who, for one reason or another, just can't grasp some very obvious and simple things, simply because their brain is somehow limited/distorted to be stuck in a certain manner of thinking that very often is only leading them into dead-ends and they don't know why. They can assess and analyze things in great detail and complexity, make connections and diagrams and all that fun stuff, but somehow end up with no clue as to what is actually happening, still missing the "obvious".
It's a puzzling phenomenon, because I think we've all been sorta conditioned with simple words like "smart" that in reality have no meaning considering the extreme complexity of our being. So we stare at it, the person looks very smart and capable of logical and seemingly critical thinking, but yet something is missing, he's running circles around objective reality and no amount of thinking seems to be getting them any closer. What causes this block? Is it genetic? Is it learned? Is it something else? I guess in psychopaths it is genetic. Many things they could never grasp simply because empathy, even though it is not part of the intellectual center, allows the intellectual center to understand what it could never ever understand otherwise. Which I think, again, shows the importance of developing all the centers - and how reliance on one over the others only messes us up. They all need one another, and the higher centers, to be able to reach their potential. It's like upgrading only one part of your computer - you create a bottleneck because it'll only go as fast as it's slowest component anyway.
Here's a recent thread that I think is a great example of this "limitation" on thinking:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1481
Pat is a smart guy, no doubt. But just that doesn't seem to help him any, something seems to be amiss.
Edit: Here's another one:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2730.msg49635#msg49635
This is just generally about how something can make perfect sense to one person, but no sense to another - and vice versa. Yet both people could theoretically have the same "intellectual capacity", it's just the wiring is not the same, and other things are different, which intellectual capacity depends on.
