The Carnivore Diet

[Yas]

I can relate to those who have strong reactions to plants. It's been a long time for me testing and trying what works for me and I realized something similar to what Chu mentioned. The problem is usually the frequency, although there is some food that can affect me immediately, like gluten and dairy.

So, what I try to do now is that I try to keep my diet as clean as possible when I'm at home and so that I can better tolerate something once in a while when I visit friends and family (or the occasional time when I really want a 'treat' ) That seems to work. I do eat a few veggies, but very few that I found I can tolerate after trial and error and I also eat rice cooked with lard, as Alejo mentioned.

And yes, sometimes I want to eat something sweet. In those cases I eat some very dark, milk-free chocolate. It has a bit of sugar, but, well, if it's not too much and not constantly, I can tolerate it well enough. I also eat sugar-free marmalade every once in a while, not sweetened with artificial sweeteners but just the fruit itself. I put it on a rice cracker and that usually solves a craving fast because I find those things too sweet nowadays anyway. Perhaps an apple or a bit of fruit here and there every now and then isn't so bad? I know that too many fruits is not great for the liver and glucose, but perhaps just a bit when there's craving could help.

Another thing that I want to make now that might work is to do a jelly with animal gelatin. I found pure gelatin powder and I want to try it with a fruit, for example, or coconut sugar (I can tolerate coconut, but I know some people can't). I thought that perhaps it can be a good option that provides some collagen and can help when I want something sweet.

But, yeah, it can be hard to find our what works for each person, but that's the way it seems to work, try leaving some things for a while, then reintroducim them, see how it goes, and keep the record.

I just want to add that there's one supplement that seems to have helped with tolerating food a bit more, that's sodium butyrate. I've been taking it for a couple of months now and my gut does seem to be working better. I think it is especially important for those of us who can't tolerate plants because we may lack a bit of fibre that helps us produce butyrate in the gut. Also probiotics help me quite a bit. Here's a short video about butyrate:

I know there's some controversy about the need of fibre and I'm one who just can't eat the amount of veggies people usually recommend. My gut certainly feels better without plants. So, let me just say that I'm not the expert in that regard, but I just think a butyrate supplement seems to have worked for me

 

[lilyalic]

@Alejo I'd like to know the method of cooking rice with lard. That sounds interesting and I'd like to try it.

Same, how on earth? I did read that cooking rice in broth, animal fats etc makes it more easily digestible so if we have it here I usually cook in chicken broth and make sure to over do it a little.

 

[iamthatis]

I’ve touched on this before, the little voice is a programmed response to reward/pleasure as a child reinforcing that sweet things are correlated to people being kind. I’ve never been able to break through that mold, rewire the subconscious thoughts, I go okay, then I fall back into the same pattern. I also have a history of eating disorders….

I can’t think of a better way to resolve these issues but to face them head on as they arise to tell me to not do the thing I’m doing and just eat some sweet things, if they’re never fully resolved then my health won’t be either, so I can’t wait to resolve them, I have to keep starting over and not conceding defeat.

I’m sure everyone has a tactic they use, like not having sweet things in the house, or a mantra they recite when they have a craving. I’m just interested in what other people do to resist. I haven’t tried to resist for over 5 years, I’d usually just allow myself some or pick a day where I could eat whatever I wanted and be good every other day, but now I really want to give it at least a month to see what improvements are made, and reassess if I want to continue, no absolutes, just taking it for a test run.

The last time I did a proper carni diet it was all raw meat and organs, but I used raw dairy, raw honey, and coffee too, zero supplements- I felt the best I ever have, especially on my no honey days. This time will be much different, nothing but red meat salt and my usually supplements.

I think no matter what, I’m always going to have a tendency for sugar and sweet things, and I’ll always be a little tempted, kind of like a recovering alcoholic, at least in the initial stages, but I also don’t want to say I’ll never eat something sweet again, that just sounds cruel to that part of me that puts in a daily grind, and once every now and then why can’t I have one of my delicious homemade buckwheat and coconut flour cookies?? Or am I already looking at it wrong? This is what I’m trying to figure out, should I be thinking differently? Should I be thinking in absolutes?

If I were to put on my 4th Way goggles, then yeah, you could look at it differently.

In the above, you want the freedom to eat sweets once in a while. It sounds very reasonable. From the ruthless 4th Way perspective, though, this is not freedom, but slavery. It would be more accurate to say that you want to allow yourself to be enslaved by the False Personality once in a while.

The common thread in the 4th Way material is that we lie to ourselves. After making an Aim, we give ourselves an excuse to cheat on the basis of weakness (based on the inertia of unconscious behaviours, the stress of external stimuli, etc.). After cheating, we then lie to ourselves, calling this slavery by positive terms like freedom, compassion, etc. The real freedom is 'freedom from like and dislike' - the freedom to make a conscious choice on the basis of an Aim, and to hold to that Aim without cheating, no matter what, despite the protestations of ingrained habits. This creates an inner struggle of yes and no. This friction is what generates the heat necessary to fuse the magnetic centre and develop the Will.

G's student J.G. Bennett wrote a discourse called first great liberation - freedom from like and dislike. I found it helpful, in particular the Q&A at the end.

As for tactics, one can write a declaration of the Aim, and then sign it - and then treat this like a holy document. Regular prayer for assistance with achieving the Aim helps. Same goes for regular journalling to hold oneself accountable. You can also go so far as to make a list of the things you like to do, for instance smoking. If you cheat, then in your document, there is a designated punishment for cheating, like a serious reduction in the number of smokes per day.

This all might seem pretty intense, but that's the 4th Way for ya. It treats the matter like your life or your Soul is on the line. And in a way, that can be a good way of looking at things sometimes.

 

[Fluffy]

If I were to put on my 4th Way goggles, then yeah, you could look at it differently.

In the above, you want the freedom to eat sweets once in a while. It sounds very reasonable. From the ruthless 4th Way perspective, though, this is not freedom, but slavery. It would be more accurate to say that you want to allow yourself to be enslaved by the False Personality once in a while.

The common thread in the 4th Way material is that we lie to ourselves. After making an Aim, we give ourselves an excuse to cheat on the basis of weakness (based on the inertia of unconscious behaviours, the stress of external stimuli, etc.). After cheating, we then lie to ourselves, calling this slavery by positive terms like freedom, compassion, etc. The real freedom is 'freedom from like and dislike' - the freedom to make a conscious choice on the basis of an Aim, and to hold to that Aim without cheating, no matter what, despite the protestations of ingrained habits. This creates an inner struggle of yes and no. This friction is what generates the heat necessary to fuse the magnetic centre and develop the Will.

G's student J.G. Bennett wrote a discourse called first great liberation - freedom from like and dislike. I found it helpful, in particular the Q&A at the end.

As for tactics, one can write a declaration of the Aim, and then sign it - and then treat this like a holy document. Regular prayer for assistance with achieving the Aim helps. Same goes for regular journalling to hold oneself accountable. You can also go so far as to make a list of the things you like to do, for instance smoking. If you cheat, then in your document, there is a designated punishment for cheating, like a serious reduction in the number of smokes per day.

This all might seem pretty intense, but that's the 4th Way for ya. It treats the matter like your life or your Soul is on the line. And in a way, that can be a good way of looking at things sometimes.

Yes, you’ve nailed where the struggle lies, and thank you for the reminder. It’s all about that constant battle against the petty self and little i’s, and and this context of food, I already know that I have no physical issues eating a meat only diet, I’ve done it before, I respond to it well, the initial slump and blood sugar crashes are short lived and within a week the improvements are noticeable. The cheating the self, a reward for good behaviour, is no reward at all, reward myself with an insulin spike, and inflammation, cheating is not even cheating, it depriving, I don’t lie to myself about it, I know I’ve done the wrong thing by how my mood and outlook on life is immediately affected every time I allow the false self to call the shots. I’m as far as can be from mastery in this aspect, I do notice that I’m further backwards from the starting point when I refuse to use my will, I’ve got lots of ground to cover just to get back to zero from the minuses that I’m in because I lack of willpower and commitment.

As it’s been said, the biggest sin is the sins agains the soul, I’ve done a lot of that and much of it has been around consuming for pleasure, comfort and distraction. It is a fact that the closer I get to solidifying that magnetic centre, which I really think is more just a rustle of shards for me, the harder it gets, I felt that internal struggle so intensely, like everything being thrown at me to prevent me from getting there, then right where it matters most I succumb to the urges that truly try to drive me crazy. Yet even knowing this, I truly battle to stay on course. I’ve been under the pump for as long as I can remember, the last few years have been horrendous, I’m at the point of exhaustion on a daily basis and I can’t catch a break very often. I have no time to myself except for a few short stints, like now, 1.5 year old is asleep but usually asleep with her, and at the end of the day I just try to relax and do not much because I’m tired and need to wind down to go to bed early enough so I get some sleep before my next day begins around 4.30am. It’s hard to find any pleasure in life, actually, I need to force myself to remember to notice the small things, like a flower, or the sun shining through the trees. To add to all the difficulty, my partner is unwell and progressively getting worse, we are spending lots of money trying to find out what’s causing his pseudo achalasia, he’s often miserable and needs lots of support from me, we don’t have many people outside of each other who help, no one in person, he has a good friend who understands and supports him, but it really feels like us against the world. He’s on a keto diet trying to alleviate some of his symptoms.

The point I’m making is that life is tough, and my reasons for consistent failure are usually due to all of the external pressures and looking for some comfort. Yet at the same time I know that giving up to the need for comfort is just feeding the beast.

Already I’m trying to make compromises with myself about it. I’m on day 4 of beef and lamb, I’m craving some dairy, an iced coffee to pick me up. I’m down on sleep but restless because of guts going funny and cleaning out, slight headache and general day 4 of zero carb malaise that happens. I know my problems are a drop
in the ocean compared to someone else’s and I’m grateful that I’m not caught in a war or something and that I have the option to eat good quality meat, it makes me feel pathetic that I find it all so difficult and will continue to find it hard for as long as I stay on track.

 

[Alejo]

Same, how on earth? I did read that cooking rice in broth, animal fats etc makes it more easily digestible so if we have it here I usually cook in chicken broth and make sure to over do it a little.

hahaha, it's made the same way you would make rice, only instead of oil, you use lard. At least the way I learned to make rice.

But for the record, just in case:

1 cup of rice
1.5 cups of water.
2-3 tbs of lard (about, I usually over estimate it as it doesn't seem to change the taste, and if it does then the bottom of the rice tends to fry, which is very tasty)
salt

You can change the amount of rice, just keep the ratio, I usually make 2 cusp of rice which means I use 3 cups of water. I usually set a pot to the heat, let the lard melt, add the water, then add the washed rice. Set it on high heat, let it boil, without a lid, until water isn't covering the rice anymore. Then set it on low heat and put the lid on, and let it dry up.

Usually the rice looks cooked and dry and that's how you know to turn it off, too soon and it'll be soggy, too late and it'll burn.

Some people add onions, or carrots or peas to mix it up, but it's the same process.

 

[odin343]

Я могу сказать, какая диета для меня самая лучшая. Я поняла, что она абсолютно индивидуальна для каждого. Для одного хорошо вегетарианство, для другого мясоедство и т. д. Для меня это тушеное мясо с тушеными овощами. Брокколи, капуста и т. п. Никакого хлеба! А вот молоко и творог я переношу легко и очень люблю. Такая еда дает мне максимум энергии и свежести. Несмотря на то, что мне 51 год, я прекрасно себя чувствую на такой диете - тушеное мясо и овощи. Если есть хлеб, то он вызывает тяжесть и сонливость.

 

[odin343]

Oh, by the way, I forgot to tell you. sometimes I buy vegan food at the nearest supermarket. And almost always, in addition to the disgusting taste, I experience allergy attacks to all these vegan pates. which go to the trash. If we are created to eat meat, then I do not know who to complain to for killing animals for consumption.

 

[Nienna]

Я могу сказать, какая диета для меня самая лучшая. Я поняла, что она абсолютно индивидуальна для каждого. Для одного хорошо вегетарианство, для другого мясоедство и т. д. Для меня это тушеное мясо с тушеными овощами. Брокколи, капуста и т. п. Никакого хлеба! А вот молоко и творог я переношу легко и очень люблю. Такая еда дает мне максимум энергии и свежести. Несмотря на то, что мне 51 год, я прекрасно себя чувствую на такой диете - тушеное мясо и овощи. Если есть хлеб, то он вызывает тяжесть и сонливость.

Here is the translation:

I can tell you which diet is the best for me. I realized that it is completely individual for everyone. Vegetarianism is good for one, meat-eating for another, etc. For me it's stewed meat with stewed vegetables. Broccoli, cabbage, etc. No bread! But milk and cottage cheese I tolerate easily and love very much. Such food gives me maximum energy and freshness. Despite the fact that I am 51 years old, I feel great on such a diet - stew and vegetables. If there is bread, it causes heaviness and drowsiness.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

[iamthatis]

Yes, you’ve nailed where the struggle lies, and thank you for the reminder. It’s all about that constant battle against the petty self and little i’s, and and this context of food, I already know that I have no physical issues eating a meat only diet, I’ve done it before, I respond to it well, the initial slump and blood sugar crashes are short lived and within a week the improvements are noticeable. The cheating the self, a reward for good behaviour, is no reward at all, reward myself with an insulin spike, and inflammation, cheating is not even cheating, it depriving, I don’t lie to myself about it, I know I’ve done the wrong thing by how my mood and outlook on life is immediately affected every time I allow the false self to call the shots. I’m as far as can be from mastery in this aspect, I do notice that I’m further backwards from the starting point when I refuse to use my will, I’ve got lots of ground to cover just to get back to zero from the minuses that I’m in because I lack of willpower and commitment.

As it’s been said, the biggest sin is the sins agains the soul, I’ve done a lot of that and much of it has been around consuming for pleasure, comfort and distraction. It is a fact that the closer I get to solidifying that magnetic centre, which I really think is more just a rustle of shards for me, the harder it gets, I felt that internal struggle so intensely, like everything being thrown at me to prevent me from getting there, then right where it matters most I succumb to the urges that truly try to drive me crazy. Yet even knowing this, I truly battle to stay on course. I’ve been under the pump for as long as I can remember, the last few years have been horrendous, I’m at the point of exhaustion on a daily basis and I can’t catch a break very often. I have no time to myself except for a few short stints, like now, 1.5 year old is asleep but usually asleep with her, and at the end of the day I just try to relax and do not much because I’m tired and need to wind down to go to bed early enough so I get some sleep before my next day begins around 4.30am. It’s hard to find any pleasure in life, actually, I need to force myself to remember to notice the small things, like a flower, or the sun shining through the trees. To add to all the difficulty, my partner is unwell and progressively getting worse, we are spending lots of money trying to find out what’s causing his pseudo achalasia, he’s often miserable and needs lots of support from me, we don’t have many people outside of each other who help, no one in person, he has a good friend who understands and supports him, but it really feels like us against the world. He’s on a keto diet trying to alleviate some of his symptoms.

The point I’m making is that life is tough, and my reasons for consistent failure are usually due to all of the external pressures and looking for some comfort. Yet at the same time I know that giving up to the need for comfort is just feeding the beast.

Already I’m trying to make compromises with myself about it. I’m on day 4 of beef and lamb, I’m craving some dairy, an iced coffee to pick me up. I’m down on sleep but restless because of guts going funny and cleaning out, slight headache and general day 4 of zero carb malaise that happens. I know my problems are a drop
in the ocean compared to someone else’s and I’m grateful that I’m not caught in a war or something and that I have the option to eat good quality meat, it makes me feel pathetic that I find it all so difficult and will continue to find it hard for as long as I stay on track.

Yeah, sleep deprivation was the most common form of torture used by the Cheka in Stalin's time. Your situation sure sounds rough. On a dark humour note, maybe your little one was a Soviet interrogator in a past life?!

It's not easy to respond to suffering by choosing to suffer more, as it seems like piling misery on misery in a situation that seems like there is no way out, no relief. Sometimes it really makes sense what Paul wrote - that we are 'crucified to the world', that this material world is like a cross we've been nailed to.

One lesson I've taken from recent difficulties is that there is hope - not necessarily in changing my situation, but in changing my attitude towards it. Which then, strangely enough, produces a change in the situation, but slowly, and from the inside.

The challenge for me has to accept everything, be it a thought, a craving, an emotion - but without adding my life energy to it. This means staying in observer mode, paying very close attention, and accepting that 'it' is there, without allowing it to turn into action and make itself manifest. As Covey said, there is a space between stimulus and response, and within that space is where we can exercise our will. As with all things, it takes practice. Thankfully it gets easier with time.

So the main thing with tackling any habit isn't just to stop the habit. The main thing is use the struggle with the habit to find the Observer who notices everything about the situation, the Real 'I' within us, who has the power (of Free Will choice) to identify or not with an automatic impulse, whatever the impulse may be. I think that's what is at stake in all the challenges of life - it gives us a chance to become liberated from the victim of the environment and slavery to the Personality. Or in other words, it gives us a chance to find our higher self, the one who has the power to choose to do the right thing no matter what. Or as Paul wrote, to move from the life of the Flesh to a life of the Spirit.

I know I wouldn't have made the effort unless there was reason to. In that sense, suffering is a gift.

 

[meadow_wind]

I'd like to know the method of cooking rice with lard. That sounds interesting and I'd like to try it.

I make a coconut rice recipe, it might interest you (or not lol), but here everyone loves it, even my dad who usually never eats rice.
It's a Caribbean recipe.

1 cup rice
1 cup water
1/2 can coconut milk or cream (do not use coconut water. It has to be the creamy white liquid)
1 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon white sugar

I guess you could skip the sugar, but it does add to the flavor

 

[mommycat]

I make a coconut rice recipe, it might interest you (or not lol), but here everyone loves it, even my dad who usually never eats rice.
It's a Caribbean recipe.

1 cup rice
1 cup water
1/2 can coconut milk or cream (do not use coconut water. It has to be the creamy white liquid)
1 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon white sugar

I make mine without the salt and sugar and add more coconut cream and less water (1 cup cream and 1/4-1/2 cup water). My plan was to make coconut rice tonight to go with my Citrus Pork Chops but I'll have to try your variation too.