The Case for Eating more Carbs in the Evening

[Leland]

Great thread that touched on a few things I've experienced.

I went paleo/candida diet overnight. A few cravings for junk the first week, but not as bad as I thought they would be. The last two weeks I have had some carb cravings, but for rice or quinoa crackers, or some clean oatmeal.

Breakfast much the same experience as others. If I just have eggs and some meat, digestion is super smooth. If I add some oatmeal and/or berries, not so much, and the latter also sets me up to be hungry an hour or two earlier than if I keep it simple. I'm going to adjust that and if the eggs/meat are not quite enough, I'll add some butter/coconut oil.

Was happy to see the rice post. The first time I had clean brown rice on the new diet, it was pretty rough digestion-wise. Not quite as bad subsequent, but still not an "eat it and forget it" experience, compared to even the adulterated white/long grain mix I would have on past diet. So I'm going to get some clean white rice and see if that works better. It is a favorite so it will be nice if I can add back a moderate amount (1-3 servings per week).

 

[Leland]

(Apologies as well, if this needs to be moved.)

The bolded text are some of my symptoms and plus pain in the pancreatic area.

Konstantin, I had many of those same symptoms, so I know it's pretty miserable. I wish you did not have to wait so long to see if the chlorella will help you. I was able to get some very shortly after it was recommended here, and it provided immediate relief.

I also got activated charcoal it helped as well. Assuming there is no issue that would prevent you from taking it, would you be able to find some locally and try it? Drug/grocery store, pharmacy, maybe even a lab/water treatment supply company?

 

[Konstantin]

(Apologies as well, if this needs to be moved.)

The bolded text are some of my symptoms and plus pain in the pancreatic area.

Konstantin, I had many of those same symptoms, so I know it's pretty miserable. I wish you did not have to wait so long to see if the chlorella will help you. I was able to get some very shortly after it was recommended here, and it provided immediate relief.

I also got activated charcoal it helped as well. Assuming there is no issue that would prevent you from taking it, would you be able to find some locally and try it? Drug/grocery store, pharmacy, maybe even a lab/water treatment supply company?

Last 3 weeks i`m taking chlorella and ALA every day and i dont have any pain now. So something helped. But i`m sure that chlorella is doing its job. I have a little more left for about a week , so i`ll continue to take it every day. Pancreatic pain was probably some detox symptom.

 

[Leland]

Last 3 weeks i`m taking chlorella and ALA every day and i dont have any pain now. So something helped. But i`m sure that chlorella is doing its job. I have a little more left for about a week , so i`ll continue to take it every day. Pancreatic pain was probably some detox symptom.

Sorry about that. Trying to help but I'm definitely having some challenges. Not that I couldn't have done the same otherwise, but I probably would have checked the date if feeling a bit better and brain not so fogged.

Not sure if you are still having some of those other symptoms (fatigue, heart palpitation, cold feet/hands, dry mouth/lips, feeling dehyrated even though you've taken lots of liquids).

I have had some consistently, and others on/off. Was having most of them (and others) this morning when I met with a Naturopath, results of which are detailed http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,41055.30.html

 

[Persej]

I have read this entire thread and i will try to add some carbs at night, again. I say again because since the end of January and start of February a have some not pleasant experiences and pain. Last few years i have follow Keto diet with ocasionally some carbs, but last 2-3 months i desiced to go without any carbs. And i was going ok. I have no problems eating keto diet

But the i introduced iodine and after a strong reaction that i have from it , eating ketog diet is different. Last week and week before that i have a unpleasant pain in the area of my pancreas and after some networking here on this forum , it was suggested to decrease fats and add little more carbs i i have done that and in a few days i was ok. After few days i decided to go keto again and next 2-3 days were ok.
Today i felt the same pain and the same body shaking/ tremmor.

I just stumbled on these old sessions where the C's mentioned the importance of RH factor in diet:

Session 980905

Q: (F) What's wrong? (L) I am having a terrible stomach ache. (F) Now you? I hate to think what will happen to Ark next week! [F**** had to leave early the previous
week due to a gallbladder attack.] (L) What is causing my intense tummy ache?
A: Contractions of a ductal nature.
Q: (A) Are you talking about my pancreas?
A: Close.
Q: (L) My gallbladder?
A: Not as close.
Q: (L) So, it is because of the grapes I ate, the insulin and all that business?
A: When you induce "sleep" or your pancreas, naturally, when you wake it up, it yawns and stretches and stumbles a bit before gaining balance, just as do you.
Q: (L) Well, it is certainly miserable. It is too low and centered to be gallbladder. It's insulin. (F) Has your pancreas been asleep? (L) Well, yes. I haven't had carbos in so
long... (F) Well, naturally! (A) No more grapes!
A: It may not be wise to become too aggressive about avoiding carbohydrates.
Q: (L) I have determined that I am insulin resistant which then becomes hyperinsulinism, which then causes every single thing I eat to turn to fat. So, what is the solution?
A: That is more complicated than what you have read so far, but your RH factor is the key.
Q: (L) Anything else I should know on this to avoid any future suffering?
A: There is more, but remember it is a mosaic.

Session 981031

Q: (A) I want to ask about this blood type diet. My opinion is that this is a silly book and it has nothing to do with reality... (L) It's working for F****... (A) Well, what
about this book? I have the idea that the author just invented stuff out of his head. Am I right?
A: Not really, but the Rh factor hones it in better.
Q: (L) Can you tell us how the Rh factor will affect it to refine what this guy says?
A: Exactly.
Q: (L) We did a little muscle testing to find out what type Ark is and it said A, but also responded to B, so my guess is he is AB. (A) But does it matter what type I am?
A: Yes, and find out.

 

[Leland]

Glad you stumbled, on that at least, Persej. ;D Thanks!

I really do feel I need some, and it's no longer craving the junk, but good ones. I remember looking at old blood paperwork a few years ago to see if the type was listed. I sure couldn't decipher it if it was. They have pretty cheap kits on amazon so I'm going to order and find out for sure. Will see if it meshes with cravings I have.

 

[Divide by Zero]

thanks Konstantin for that session.
The confusion is that they were telling Laura who I believe is blood type to not cut carbs so much but according to the blood type diets they say that O is less carb more protein /fat.

The A, AB types were said to do better with carbs and vegetables(of course avoiding wheat /corn) . B more mixed with unfortunately dairy which we know generally is bad.

But then they could be referring to the rh+or rh- instead?

 

[Persej]

But then they could be referring to the rh+or rh- instead?

Well yeah, that's what they were suggesting, that Rh factor is important in figuring out what is the correct diet for people. But they didn't say how exactly. They probably want us to figure out that one. :)

 

[Konstantin]

But then they could be referring to the rh+or rh- instead?

Well yeah, that's what they were suggesting, that Rh factor is important in figuring out what is the correct diet for people. But they didn't say how exactly. They probably want us to figure out that one. :)

I found one interesting article about this

In a study published in a 2007 issue of the "Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine," Dr. Power described the results of her experiments on allergic responses to foods based on blood type. According to the article, the results did in fact show responses patterned according to blood type, vindicating the blood type diet approach. Rh negative blood reacted most severely with eggs, milk, cheese, nuts, beans and gluten. It was also consistently among the top producers of immunoglobulin E (IgE).

And some link to Dr.Laura Power website where she writes about foor alergies and intolerances.
_http://www.laurapower.com/page5.html

 

[beetlemaniac]

I have also experience symptoms including insomnia, low blood sugar, hypersensitivity to cold, constipation and sluggishness, all intermittently, being on the diet for say 4 to 5 years. It was since we started the Ketogenic Diet thread. Anyhow, I have noticed some relief of symptoms, sometimes when adding on carbs, usually during dinners at friends and relatives places, where it is convenient to do so and carbs are quite plentiful. However, it is not exactly a cure-all.

I thought the quote posted earlier from Jack Kruse on the importance of DHA, seafood and cold when being keto-adapted did make some sense. His writing is quite esoteric, but it weirdly seems to make sense. It does seem to appear that carbohydrates are not the optimal fuel and that using carbs is merely a stop-gap solution and the body can be tuned in a ketogenic state to optimise energy metabolism. However, it requires a lot of diligence. Additonally, like Laura mentioned, toxic load, and I think this includes emotional stress as well, can hinder the "crossing the threshold" into this optimal state.

 

[Fluffy]

But then they could be referring to the rh+or rh- instead?

Well yeah, that's what they were suggesting, that Rh factor is important in figuring out what is the correct diet for people. But they didn't say how exactly. They probably want us to figure out that one. :)

I found one interesting article about this

In a study published in a 2007 issue of the "Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine," Dr. Power described the results of her experiments on allergic responses to foods based on blood type. According to the article, the results did in fact show responses patterned according to blood type, vindicating the blood type diet approach. Rh negative blood reacted most severely with eggs, milk, cheese, nuts, beans and gluten. It was also consistently among the top producers of immunoglobulin E (IgE).

And some link to Dr.Laura Power website where she writes about foor alergies and intolerances.
_http://www.laurapower.com/page5.html

May be worth considering foods that certain blood groups can and can't eat again.
I'm 0- and I can barely tolerate anything, was only last week I was looking at food for blood groups because the cherry tree out the front is calling my name but I can't eat them without feeling terrible, almost everything I eat apart from chicken, beef, lamb and basic veggies makes me feel off.
The lists change a little from author to author.
This seemed like a good one for type O people.. I was unhappy to see coconut repeated across the board as a no-no though. Pork products are also no-no for O people, I would have guessed it to be true though, I can't eat it either. And turtle......

I'm not saying any of this is true and I know it's been covered before.. For me though, it's pretty compelling, Dr. D'Adamo modelled his O diet around what I can and can't tolerate it seems!!!

http://www.abbyshealthandnutrition.com/PDFDocs/8/89fe37a7bb7a4e388cbfbcf2845c1826.PDF?storeID=31P2KHB77SUS9MB3PX56R5G71BFTEKF1

 

[Fluffy]

Here's the rest of the blood type foods to eat and avoid list from same author

http://www.abbyshealthandnutrition.com/common/news/store_news.asp?task=store_news&sid_store_news=151&storeID=31P2KHB77SUS9MB3PX56R5G71BFTEKF1

 

[Divide by Zero]

Fluffy FWIW, back before the Paleo thing took off we looked into the blood type diet.

Some didn't have good results.

I did, being an A+, I saw that tomatoes are horrible for me (I get cold sores).
Growing up, I liked the veggies more and had/have a severe dislike of dairy.

There was another more detailed variation based on something called genotypes. I didn't really get into that.

But Paleo basics works for me, with nuts, quinoa/rice/oats, and sometimes fruit. Sugar doesn't seem to affect me much, my weight barely changes, even before paleo.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Well, I'm O- and have no problems with pork or coconut oil. When first doing the elimination diet, cheese (which I loved and ate huge amounts of all my life) was worse than even bread though. I never gained weight when I was an insane "carboholic" either - and I ate huge amounts of everything, pasta, dairy, bread, pizza, sugar to insane levels, etc. But it took its toll by age 39 in the form of prostatitis (recurring high fever, etc.)/enlarged prostate which was eliminated by the elimination of refined sugar, coffee, later all grains, and eating LOTS of organ meats, along with a bunch of prostate specific supplements. FWIW.

 

[Fluffy]

Fluffy FWIW, back before the Paleo thing took off we looked into the blood type diet.

Some didn't have good results.

I did, being an A+, I saw that tomatoes are horrible for me (I get cold sores).
Growing up, I liked the veggies more and had/have a severe dislike of dairy.

There was another more detailed variation based on something called genotypes. I didn't really get into that.

But Paleo basics works for me, with nuts, quinoa/rice/oats, and sometimes fruit. Sugar doesn't seem to affect me much, my weight barely changes, even before paleo.

The O type diet is pretty much low carb paleo, this particular author has fruit and some grains like rice on her okay to eat list but others don't recommend either, not even berries, and nuts and seeds are off most other O food list too. It wouldn't be much of a surprise that most people who have O type blood do good on this diet, it's basically a caveman diet.

Me personally can't tolerate many carbs without turning into a balloon overnight, I hoard it all wherever I can, even my eyebrows look fatter. I've tried every diet out there to see which one works for me, all of them require intermittent fasting if I'm going to feel even half okay. I like periods of being vegetarian, I just did a month and am back on meat in the last few weeks but have to admit that I felt better when I wasn't eating any, I had way less inflammation, my mood was more stable and I generally felt more vitality. I can't understand why though, I also put on lots of muscle and I was eating next to no protein as I don't eat seeds, nuts, legumes, eggs or dairy. And I slept like a log, nice calm dreams and woke up feeling not too bad...

Well, I'm O- and have no problems with pork or coconut oil. When first doing the elimination diet, cheese (which I loved and ate huge amounts of all my life) was worse than even bread though. I never gained weight when I was an insane "carboholic" either - and I ate huge amounts of everything, pasta, dairy, bread, pizza, sugar to insane levels, etc. But it took its toll by age 39 in the form of prostatitis (recurring high fever, etc.)/enlarged prostate which was eliminated by the elimination of refined sugar, coffee, later all grains, and eating LOTS of organ meats, along with a bunch of prostate specific supplements. FWIW.

I think that organ meats are something what's missing in my diet. I have never tired them.
I can eat pork fat, just not the meat, there's a scuffle at the dinner table at everyone's house when pork belly gets cooked I'm sure for the best crunchy bits of crackle.
I can also eat coconut products, but it's like my body had to learn how. My skin hated it when I first started using oil on it, it just would not absorb no matter how long I rubbed and it would stay dry and feel agitated and eating it made me nauseous, I still can only have a small about before I feel a bit ill... Not like cherries though, I have one and my mouth starts to burn and I throw up everything I've eaten in the last few hours. I've noticed that most problems I have with raw food is reduced once it's cooked and I can tolerate more...

I know this blood group stuff got covered years ago and much of it was founded, I was more thinking if it was combined with keto or paleo there might be something more to it. Its at least true that not everyone can tolerate the same stuff, I also spoze a food tolerance blood test would sort that out though.