And the answer to that statement is often a prolongated, "Ehhhhh" followed by "Yup".
The Consortium, the Quorum, the alien interface, depicted in 'romantic' fiction - what the heck?!
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I did some research and wrote a post that has relation to the topic of psychopathy and language.
Thought it was more appropriate to post it there.
And also found this interesting case.
Malapropisms, or “The Archie Bunker Syndrome,” and Frontotemporal Dementia - PMC
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Thinking about the subject more and wonder if the authors are just young and were exposed to reduction in the quality of education?
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a social media post on a public board start with 'Admin, please delete if not aloud' and am reminded of a young couple who referred to each other in writing as 'my angle'
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a social media post on a public board start with 'Admin, please delete if not aloud' and am reminded of a young couple who referred to each other in writing as 'my angle'
Hot stuff now in an AI field is GPT-3 language model. Books listed in the most popular article regarding GPT-3 novels:
It is also possible to play alone with AI using Holo AI:
Here is my take on writing a short story. I've parametrized their model using the tag "paranormal" and used the blurb of "The Wave Chapter 1" as a starting point. Machine-generated text is bolded:
Fun stuff :)
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And the same model with part of the latest session with C's as a starting point:
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Hot stuff now in an AI field is GPT-3 language model. Books listed in the most popular article regarding GPT-3 novels:
It is also possible to play alone with AI using Holo AI:
Here is my take on writing a short story. I've parametrized their model using the tag "paranormal" and used the blurb of "The Wave Chapter 1" as a starting point. Machine-generated text is bolded:
Fun stuff :)
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And the same model with part of the latest session with C's as a starting point:
Well now, that is totally bizarre and makes it seem quite possible that such texts could be generated.
However, it seems to me that the bot has a better grasp on language than the authors of these texts do and that takes me back to what Keit posted above about Frontotemporal Dementia. But dayyum! Can that many people engaged in writing a certain type of novel all be so afflicted? Because afflicted they certainly are! I was so fascinated by what I was seeing in the writing that I read way more of those things than was healthy! It was like the ten years I spent studying psychopathy, just trying, trying, trying to understand what I was seeing.
I thought about the breakdown in the educational system, too, but that really didn't seem to me to be the answer. The problem was way more specific and odd than that could produce.
The examples given in Keit's post are also right on target and exactly the thing I encountered in these texts.
There were some authors that mostly had issues with verbs/adverbs and reconciling verbs to nouns; that seems to be a separate issue. The bizarre part came in with the malapropisms and the authors who had that issue did not seem to have the same problem with verbs. I was also told by Joe and Niall here that there are some regions in England where the verbs were used exactly as I was seeing them, so that could be a regional thing.
But the malapropisms, apparently not knowing the meanings of so many words just blew my mind. If I didn't have better things to do, I could go through one of those books and pull out hundreds of examples.
It can also be a mix of two: it depends on how the AI language model was trained. If for example training corpus was composed of a narrow selection of texts that have that kind of errors (for ex. from the same author), the model will also be generating those. In my case, I've played with Holo AI that probably has a range of models trained on a wide range of English literature. It is also worth noting that AI can generate plagiarism, as was the case of GitHub's Copilot.
It can also be possible, that the author was using machine help. Take a look at Holo AI FAQ:
tschai
Dagobah Resident
That and not having someone knowledgeable to proof read their manuscripts. They probably crank these things out in a couple of weeks with little care as to whether or not the things are grammatically correct.
Here in Mexico, upper-class or 'posh' young people tend to speak with a tone of voice similar to the "Valley Girl" - or so it sounds to me - a bit with a questioning intonation towards the end, although there's a song-like quality to their whole speech. They call them "fresas" over here - literally 'strawberries'. I always thought they were trying to immitate American culture with their voice. They are the most likely to go abroad and hang out among those circles, and back home they may want to make a point of their status. Then the practice probably becomes generalized out of imitation, I thought. Well, maybe that's the case for most, as in people trying to 'fit in', as well as being influenced by media, but perhaps there is an extra element there?
It would be interesting to see how many countries have similar versions of the "up-speak", and what those countries are, to see if it's all or mostly imitation or something more essential, as suggested above.
Another mystery is: Don't these people have proof-readers, spell-checkers and editors?? No one even bothers to read their stuff or are they all minds of the same quality? Or is it left like that on purpose?
I'm inclined to think they simply don't care - they just want to publish ASAP and make some money. Proof-reading takes time.
tschai
Dagobah Resident
Exactly- they are trying to make a living, keeping the lights on and food on the table the best way they can, just like the rest of us. I have been pondering as of late even trying my hand at writing- I almost had a story I wrote in seventh grade published ( the teacher never turned it in) and I had a poem I wrote published in a local newspaper ( oddly enough I wrote it for my brother and he got the credit!) But the thing is, if creative energy flows from higher density, what or who are these people channeling? Or are they writing from first hand experience? Either way it’s kind of disturbing.
tschai
Dagobah Resident
I think most readers are able to pop in the correct words themselves, and are able to get the gist even with bad grammar. The overall message is the important take away.
Pluchi
Jedi
Yes! There is a version of the 'upspeak in Caracas, Venezuela. It is particular in "expensive" neighborhoods and it only happens in Caracas -the capital city, nowhere else. To describe it, words are elongated, for instance, "qué bonito" is said as something like "qué boniiitooo" and the r's are rolled in a different way, more towards the middle of the palate. People who talk like that are called 'sifrinos,' which has no translation but it implies people with money and/or exposed to the good things in life. Venezuelans from Caracas who live abroad tend to speak that way, so they are easy to identify by other Venezuelans. I come from a poor area of Caracas, so Spanish speakers abroad tell me that I "don't sound Venezuelan" and other Venezuelans have a hard time guessing that I am from Caracas
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Regarding malapropisms and verbs, I wonder if something is up with Thors Pantheum? Is the beaming becoming garbled due to interference, or the receiving capacity is misattuned/stressed? My sense of the Pantheum is that it is general, not specific, inspiration. I can imagine that they may have a part to play, though it may be small, possibly just the general themes of these novels.
@Pluchi @Windmill knight
Every country has its own valley girl. In Argentina they are the chetos, or conchetos. Also generally upper middle class, with a nasal intonation and a use of the word Viste? (Did you see?) or in some cases the import of OK? They tend to be very superficial and pretend to be or appear to be a social stratum to which they do not really belong or fit in.
Every country has its own valley girl. In Argentina they are the chetos, or conchetos. Also generally upper middle class, with a nasal intonation and a use of the word Viste? (Did you see?) or in some cases the import of OK? They tend to be very superficial and pretend to be or appear to be a social stratum to which they do not really belong or fit in.
